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July 20

Laird

I feel that the quote I have just edited in (ref number 15), should be formatted differently. Please assist if you can. Thanks101.182.141.11 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:40, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, what do you mean by that? Do you think the quote may break copyright rules? In that case, this is the policy regarding quotes, so since you've referenced the original source you should be fine. (This is the diff the IP is referring to.) - a boat that can float! (watch me float) 08:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Toilet

Hello all,

I am coming from the article toilet. This page has an extended part on the word toilet, and there is a lot more information we have left out that we would like to let in to the article. We have resolved that one of the best ways is to produce an article solely dedicated to the word toilet, its regional dialects and euphemisms.

My question is if there is any precedence for this action, and what the article should be called.

Cheers - JoshMuirWikipedia (talk) 08:47, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Another user has already noticed your inquiry and cross-posted it to the talk page for the toilet article. Please follow-up with your inquiry there in order to obtain a consensus on how to proceed with your idea. RegistryKey^(RegEdit) 09:55, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Cheers JoshMuirWikipedia (talk) 10:54, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Laird

(see Laird above) 

You misunderstood. I meant that the new quote ref. number 15, should be indented with big quotes such as seen at the top of the Laird page. Please help/fix. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.141.11 (talk) 10:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

What is wrong with ref number 13 on the above page? Laird — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.141.11 (talk) 10:35, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Re Ref 13. The access date was wrong. It is not yet 2019. Eagleash (talk) 10:59, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Pinery bushfire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Pinery_bushfire

Your information about Janet Hughes is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44B8:283:5C00:8DBC:5F58:6D9A:E82 (talk) 11:10, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

The article cites two references in support of the statement that Janet Hughes died in the fire. What information do you believe is incorrect? Maproom (talk) 11:40, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Template:یادکرد وب et Co.

What is the reason for a Persian-named Template:یادکرد وب? It simply redirects to Template:Cite web, however all instances of {{یادکرد وب}} I've seen do not only use a Farsi name for the template itself, but also for its parameters. And those Farsi parameters names go to the redirect destination template {{Cite web}} which does not recognize them. That way we gain NOTHING from the redirect; {{یادکرد وب}} templates do not work, whether redir exists or not.

I have fixed two of them recently: Laki dialect oldid=730633836 and Datis Lorestan F.C. oldid=730358605, but there are other waiting for fixing (Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:یادکرد وب).

Same issue with Turkish {{haber kaynağı}} → {{cite news}} (Nasaş G.S.K. oldid=730569358)
or French {{Ouvrage}} → {{Citation}} (Philippe François Maurice d'Albignac oldid=730421755).

Are there more such foreign-language redirects? Is there any routine to deal with them? --CiaPan (talk) 11:15, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

When it was created the edit comment was "(common copy-and-paste, will allow citation patrols to clean up)". RJFJR (talk) 14:05, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Great, thank you. :) I didn't check the redirection history. So, it was created deliberately. And now I found out that such redirection causes the 'empty citation' error due to parameters' names miss, which puts a page into Category:Pages with empty citations. Without that the unknown template name is displayed in an article only, and it's hard to be found (unless one exactly knows what to seek). --CiaPan (talk) 14:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Resolved

help: Change page name

Hello, the name of my business: Alfred Ceramic Art Museum recently changed. Formerly the Schein Joseph International Museum of Ceramic Art, we are now Alfred Ceramic Art Museum. We would like our page name to be changed but don't know how. All other information on the page has been updated. I appreciate your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alfredceramicartmuseum (talk • contribs) 14:15, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Alfredceramicartmuseum
I have moved the page to Alfred Ceramic Art Museum and removed an external link from the bodytext and some overlinking.
Please note that, as you have a conflict of interest you should not be editing our article about the museum yourself, but suggesting changes on the article's talk page.
Furthermore your username violates our username policy which does not allow "Usernames that unambiguously represent the name of a company, group, institution or product" so you will need to change it. I have added an explanation of COI and the username policy on your talk page, including a link to how to change your username - which will probably be blocked shortly - Arjayay (talk) 14:25, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

How do I reach out to specific contributors of celebrity pages?

Hi,

We're launching a unique personal chat bot platform exclusively for celebrities and public figures. Their respective bots will be trained on their information from the web allowing fans and followers to have a meaningful Q&A style conversation with their virtual identities as if they're talking to the real person. An intimate conversational experience will make them feel more connected and engaged.

We believe it can be a good source of information for Wikipedia pages and thought if we could connect with some specific contributors who can help us understand the synergies.

Would really appreciate your help.

Many thanks, Abhi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.145.132.138 (talk) 14:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

No, that would not be an appropriate source of Wikipedia articles at all. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:39, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

To expand Ian.thomson's reply: Wikipedia is only interested in information which has been published in a reliable source (one with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking), and for most purposes only in information by people unconnected with the subject. Social media are hardly ever appropriate as sources for Wikipedia information. --ColinFine (talk) 15:13, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Redirects for images?

File:Touched by His Noodly Appendage.jpg is now a redlink, replaced by File:Touched by His Noodly Appendage HD.jpg The redlinked file has 24 pages that link to it. Will a normal redirect work with an image file, or do I need to do something special? --Guy Macon (talk) 16:00, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

It should work like a regular redirect; there really is only one way to find out (I did test it though; worked fine for me). Note that this should only work for links to the image; if you want to use the image itself, your best bet would be to just replace it. JudgeRM (talk to me) 17:22, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Glitch

This happened while editing at Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies/Requests. Click here to edit the same section as I was. Here is what it looks like:

Thanks. — Music1201 ^talk 17:01, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

It happens to me even when editing any section or the entire page. Maybe there's an issue with the edit notice? clpo13_(talk) 17:06, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) FWIW, I do see the same behaviour, and for pretty much every section (existent or non-existent, try for instance [1]). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

• Same for me, the page garbaged, although looks a bit different. May be it's due to a different browser – I'm using MS IE 11 on Win10 Home now. --CiaPan (talk) 17:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Reverting the page notice fixed it. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 17:14, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Weird, I wonder what the issue is. I used the same code as my user page editnotice and got the same wonky formatting. clpo13_(talk) 17:19, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

@Music1201 and Zzuuzz: One of the tables wasn't closed. There needs to be another |} at the end ([2]). clpo13_(talk) 17:25, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Works for me. Thanks. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 17:29, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. — Music1201 ^talk 17:43, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I confirm: the page displays correctly now. --CiaPan (talk) 22:19, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Seperated list in decades

Hello, I have a question regarding award pages such as the Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series, Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Younger Actress in a Drama Series, which have one single table for all the multiple decades the award has been presented. The tables were split from one another by decade previously, however when I nominated those pages for a featured list, I was told to merge them into one table, (with no explanation why). I find that the way those pages are right now is very difficult, especially on mobile devices when it takes a long time to scroll to reach a specific year a reader might be looking for. I want to split them, in all the different decades such as pages like the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series, and Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Miniseries or a Movie (granted those are not featured list). However, before I start doing it, I want to make sure that I am not violating any Wikipedia rules by doing so and want to know if this is even a good idea? Should I leave it as is, or make a table for all the different decades! I want to start soon on this, so a fast answer to my question(s) would be truly aprreciated! Thank you!!  — JJakathestrength (talk, contribs) 18:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Hoping to get an answer soon. Thank you!  — JJakathestrength (talk, contribs) 01:13, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have any rules or guidelines about the use (or non-use) of the serial comma?

Does Wikipedia have any rules or guidelines about the use (or non-use) of the serial comma? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:20, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes. See MOS:SERIAL for the guidance. RudolfRed (talk) 18:25, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:09, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Coming Through the Rye (2015 film)

I have created this draft on my sandbox and I've submitted it for review. Right now I'm waiting as to whether it be accepted or declined. Here's my question: what would happen if I copied and pasted what I've written on the draft here before the draft is reviewed? Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 19:52, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

See WP:CUTPASTE for an explanation why copying and pasting is bad. Ruslik_Zero 20:12, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

You say the draft is "on your sandbox", but what you have been working on is Draft:Coming Through the Rye (2015 film), a draft in draft space and not in any sandbox. If you create a copy of it in article space, then your draft will get rejected as a copy of an existing article, and the article may get deleted for some defect (actually it looks pretty good to me, but I know nothing of films) and as unreviewed. In any case you would have wasted the reviewer's time. Maproom (talk) 20:20, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

French language references on English language page?

I am hoping to expand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Investment_Bank. My question relates to this line:

"However, NGOs acknowledge important improvements in the EIB's transparency since 2004, and the new transparency policy adopted in 2010 is widely considered to be up to standards reflecting international best practice.[28]".

Ref 28 is for an archived EIB page in French. Which seems to pose two problems. First, it is a document by the subject. Secondly, I do not speak French.

I have multiple English language references that contradict the claim.

Is it appropriate for me to simply ignore the EIB French language references and rewrite this section using the English language references I have? Or what can I do? QM123 (talk) 20:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

@QM123: The language of a source is considered to be irrelevant when determining its validity. If you cannot speak French, there are plenty of free online translation tools that can allow you to get the gist of what the source is saying. Having said that, from what you describe it seems pretty clear that the French source is not reliable (if it was written by the subject), so if you have more reliable references in English then incorporating them into the section seems like a good idea. Depending on the exact situation, it might be appropriate to show both sides of the argument ("EIB claim that... while others say...") or to just present the view of your English sources ("it is widely considered that..."). — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 21:15, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

uncomfortable music sample

hi there. can you tell me how can i fix the audio samples in this article ?. cuz it seems to be uncomfortable . i wanted it to be like this but i cant understand . why thats not. Amir Muhammad 20:05, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

What I would try is: 1) Remove file from page; 2) Clear the cache for that page (see {{purge}}, but there's probably an easier way}); 3) Edit the file back in. --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:60BC:894:7787:F31 (talk) 22:19, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

The Main Google Releases Blogspot Page is broken

I'm having a problem. Lately I was upgrading the version numbers of Google Chrome and Chrome OS Stable, Beta, and Dev Channels, but when the stable channel update link appeared on the Main Google Chrome Releases page, all of a sudden, these three links are broken, and they all load forever without revealing the news or anything at all! When will the website issues be fixed so that I can go back to updating the Chrome and Chrome OS version pages again? --Angeldeb82 (talk) 22:15, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

It looks like there's a broken script on the page. You'll have to contact the Chrome team to let them know. They have Twitter and Facebook accounts you could notify. I see somebody (probably you) left a comment on the blog post, so I would guess they're aware and working on it. clpo13_(talk) 22:22, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I can see that the broken script is fixed now. --Angeldeb82 (talk) 02:55, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Qulsar, Inc.

Hi,

I represent Qulsar, Inc. This page was recently deleted after we made a few edits to the page, and we really like to know how can be get the page back. We are completely wiped off the Wikipedia and it is hurting our business already. Any helpful information will be great. We need to get our content up on Wiki ASAP, do we need to create a new page for that? If yes then how can we go about doing the same and what are the guidelines we should follow in order to not get deleted again?

Looking forward to hearing from you

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Punnyatowa 84 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Punnyatowa 84. I'm afraid you have a couple of (very common) misconceptions about Wikipedia: that it has anything whatever to do with promoting anything, and that you have any control whatever over an article about you. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which contains articles about notable subjects. "Notable" is used in a special sense, which means roughly "Several people who have no connection whatever with the subject have thought it worth writing in some depth about it, and had their writing published in reliable place". Articles are required to be neutral and non-prmotional in tone, and should be based close to 100% on what unconnected people have published about the subject: Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what a subject (or its employees or associates) say about itself. Nor, I'm afraid, is it concerned with what "your needs" may be.

As you say, we formerly had an article called Qulsar, which was deleted a few days ago. The reason specified was "Advert for unnotable entity" - i.e. it was promotional rather than neutral, and the subject did not meet the criteria for notability.

If you can find several truly independent pieces (so, not based on interviews or press releases) published in reliable sources (so, not blogs, wikis, or social media, but major newspapers or magazines, or books from reputable publishers) that discuss the company at some length (not just mentions or listing), then we could have an article on it. You are discouraged from writing it, because your Conflict of interest is likely to make it difficlt for you to write neutrally, but not forbidden: if you wish to try, please rad your first article carefully, and then use the Article wizard to create a draft. --ColinFine (talk) 23:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

I am visually impaired and can't edit articles without being asked to fill in the capcha

Hi I have recently joined Wikipedia. When I try to edit an article and reference what I have written, i'm not able to save my edit without being told to fill in a capcha. I am visually impaired and my screenreader can't read the capcha image. I was able to request an account be created for me, but there is no audio option or no other way that I can reference my edits. If I write an edit but don't add links, I don't get asked to fill in the capcha. But last time I editted an article and didn't insert a reference, my edit got removed. Please help Jess — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geekgirl1990 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

@Geekgirl1990: Autoconfirmed accounts no longer have to enter CAPTCHA's to add external links. This happens when the account is at least four days old and has made ten edits. You only need 38 more hours and two edits to become autoconfirmed. No edits by your account have been removed. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:06, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

redirect

Resolved

 – 01:48, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I need the following redirect, please: Corn King Giant → Henry Hite (article explains why) -- thanks in advance. --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:60BC:894:7787:F31 (talk) 23:23, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

 Done. In the future, you can request redirects at WP:AFC/R. clpo13_(talk) 23:48, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Okay; thanks again. 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:79CC:9632:9DD5:631F (talk) 01:48, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

follow up on deletion of page

Hello

<ref> Hello, Punnyatowa 84. I'm afraid you have a couple of (very common) misconceptions about Wikipedia: that it has anything whatever to do with promoting anything, and that you have any control whatever over an article about you. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which contains articles about notable subjects. "Notable" is used in a special sense, which means roughly "Several people who have no connection whatever with the subject have thought it worth writing in some depth about it, and had their writing published in reliable place". Articles are required to be neutral and non-prmotional in tone, and should be based close to 100% on what unconnected people have published about the subject: Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what a subject (or its employees or associates) say about itself. Nor, I'm afraid, is it concerned with what "your needs" may be. As you say, we formerly had an article called Qulsar, which was deleted a few days ago. The reason specified was "Advert for unnotable entity" - i.e. it was promotional rather than neutral, and the subject did not meet the criteria for notability. If you can find several truly independent pieces (so, not based on interviews or press releases) published in reliable sources (so, not blogs, wikis, or social media, but major newspapers or magazines, or books from reputable publishers) that discuss the company at some length (not just mentions or listing), then we could have an article on it. You are discouraged from writing it, because your Conflict of interest is likely to make it difficlt for you to write neutrally, but not forbidden: if you wish to try, please rad your first article carefully, and then use the Article wizard to create a draft. --ColinFine (talk) 23:26, 20 July 2016 (UTC)><ref>

I understand that some additions were made which did not meet the requirements, but those additions were deleted and our page was left with it's original content. The old page and the content was validated and was there for a couple of years on Wikipedia. Can we at least have our previous page without the addition up as that had met with the requirements of Wikipedia.

Thanks23:49, 20 July 2016 (UTC)Punnyatowa 84 (talk)

Pinging @ColinFine, who may wish to add to my comments. Because Wikipedia has over 5 million pages, it is very difficult to ensure the same quality of content across the board. I'm unable to see the content of your deleted page but I'm afraid it didn't "[meet] the requirements of Wikipedia"—it was just that nobody had noticed it did not pass our notability policy before your edits brought it to somebody's attention. As ColinFine says, Wikipedia is a serious encyclopedia, so it is not a place to advertise or promote your company. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 07:37, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

@Punnyatowa 84: Specifically please see WP:COMPANY for the bare minimum requirements to have an article here. CaptRik (talk) 09:56, 21 July 2016 (UTC)