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October 31

Brookline College

Can someone take a look at Brookline College. It is a private for-profit school that does offer degrees. Based on that, it apparently would probably survive AFD (WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES). Yet it is unreferenced (one dead link and one primary source (its own website). I can't find any other independent coverage. The article was very promotional. I already removed a lot of material. The "accreditation" still needs to be pruned to a summary, but I didn't do that. What would be left isn't much. Tag it as a unreferenced stub? Any other opinions? MB

Well-spotted MB. Here are a couple independent sources that at least establish that it exists (for now?): 1, 2. I think cutting back everything that's not sourced is very reasonable. The status of schools at AfD is a bit perplexing to me, but if it's going to be kept, I think it's definitely preferable to have a very short article we've verified than a more filled-out one that gives the impression there's good sourcing if there isn't. Innisfree987 (talk) 16:16, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Yorkshire Symphony Orchestra

Reference number 1 is not good. Please help if you are able. Thanks as always Srbernadette (talk) 00:23, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion regarding Yorkshire Symphony Orchestra. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Pppery 00:33, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Srbernadette: the problem has been fixed. Pppery: do you expect to achieve anything by the repeated use of this templated response to Srbernadette's requests? Maproom (talk) 07:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

Ref number 8 is wrong (in red) and I cannot work out what I did incorrectly. I have to go to bed now (shift work). Please fix if able. Thanks so much Srbernadette (talk) 03:08, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for remembering to log in. I don't intend to try to fix something as minor as a date in red. You can do that when you are next off work and at your keyboard. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Please check ref number 5 - which I did NOT do- on this page: ==St Margaret's School, Melbourne==

I have tried to see what is wrong with ref number 8 on this page: ==[[Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge]== Why is this ref. in red??? Please helpSrbernadette (talk) 03:39, 31 October 2016 (UTC) Thanks

Please enter links on talk-pages like this [[:Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge]]...note the extra colon at the start. You do not need the equals signs as this would normally create a heading.

Ref 8 is in red precisely for the the message clearly gives. The access date is incorrect.

Ref 5 on the Melbourne page has a date field of one year and a year field of a different year, so again, as the error message states, they are mismatched. Eagleash (talk) 05:19, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Pictures and articles on Wikipedia

Hi all,

I have a friend who's writing a university work about Dom Gaspar Lefebvre, a Belgian churchman who died in 1966. The information he has gathered include pictures (on a movie format that was first played this year since 1957), old black and white pictures of missionary trips in South America, hand-written and machine-written letters and other paper documents.

My question is: where can I upload all? Wikipedia, Wikibooks or Wikicommons (or a little bit of each)? Can I make a full article about this picture movie or is it not really interesting? Or should I just create a galery inside the article? Or are 60 pictures too much for an article?

My friend is really excited about this and spend months looking around for information. Putting everything online would save a lot for time for the few other people who would like to know more about Gaspar Lefebvre. Thank you for your help!175.158.232.21 (talk) 05:54, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello! To answer some of your questions, the first problem is that Gaspar Lefebvre is unsourced and will probably soon be deleted. The french WP-article about him has some sources, it´s possible some of those could save the article, but since I don´t know french, i can´t tell. If any of the pictures can be uploaded I can´t tell, it´s a question of public domain/who owns the copyright etc. Article about film: almost certainly not, see WP:GNG. 60 pics in an article: probably to much, see WP:GALLERY. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:31, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

The OP states that his friend is "writing a university work" about the subject Gaspar Lefebvre. Presumably that work will, some time in the future, be published. When it is, it can be used as a source for the article: until then the unpublished information cannot be used as a source, except for any parts that have already been published elsewhere.

Wikipedia has no deadline, so if the French Wikipedia sources can ensure the article's survival as a stub (my French has 45 years of rust on it, but it looks to me as if there is enough sourced material there to expand and source the English article) it can be expanded when further source material is published, or it can be deleted now and reinstated later. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.211.130.104 (talk) 11:14, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Link to new section

Is there any way to provide a wikilink to add a new message to my talk page without using an 'external' link, e.g. leave me a message? Ollieinc (talk) 08:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

I´m not sure what you mean, something like this? User talk:Ollieinc#Clutch Plague Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

At the top of each user talk page, there's a "New section" link. Mine goes to [1]. I think Ollieinc wants a way to make this into a wikilink. But the obvious User_talk:Maproom&action=edit&section=new doesn't work. Maproom (talk) 08:44, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I am wanting what Maproom is describing. I'm pretty sure I've seen something like it before (but maybe not). Ollieinc (talk) 08:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

It cannot be done with a wikilink. If you just want to avoid the external link icon then use plainlinks: leave me a message. It's recommended to use fullurl or similar: leave me a message. This for example means the code can be copied to other wikis without change. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:14, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Can we use foreign language referencing in a wikipedia page?

Hi, I am making a page for a French artist, and the references include both English and French media publications. I wish to know if I can use French citations and references on the English page.

Thanks, Amit Amitwikia (talk) 09:31, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

You can use citations of French sources in English Wikipedia. English sources are preferred if available (and reliable, independent etc.), but where they aren't available, French ones are acceptable. Maproom (talk) 10:03, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Leon bailey Wikipedia page

Leon Bailey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi,

I am seeking help as someone is trying to harm the reputation of one of my clients 'Leon Bailey' by saying he was illegally brought into the country. This is clearly untrue and is sabotaging Leon Bailey's name.

I have changed it now but is there any way you can prevent this person from writing this about Leon on his Wikipedia page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Bailey

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,

Adam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamfkelly (talk • contribs) 12:49, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

The material you deleted appears to have been reliably referenced. And though it describes illegal action by Bailey's agent, it doesn't reflect badly on Bailey, who was only 15 at the time. I have reinstated it. Maproom (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Page split, of sorts

In the beginning, there were Guinea National Library and Archives and National Library of Guinea, both stubs. I filled out the latter and moved the former to National Archives of Guinea and tidied it up. But what should be done with Guinea National Library and Archives? I've applied a bandaid for now. Should it be deleted? Clarityfiend (talk) 13:21, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, it may be eligible for speedy deletion under WP:A10. It seems doubtful that someone would often search for this title erroneously, and so a disambiguation page probably wouldn't be particularly helpful. Since it appears to refer to two equally relevant topics, there doesn't seem to be a clear winner for a redirect. So deletion seems to be the apparent way forward. TimothyJosephWood 13:52, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

It's too old for A10, but I've nominated it for deletion. Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:32, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Clarityfiend Looks like it was created by move yesterday? TimothyJosephWood 12:06, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

The important issue is that there's been a page at this title since early 2011, and unless their targets have been deleted or they're otherwise actively harmful, we have no business creating linkrot by deleting redirects like this one, because deleting them is bad net citizenship that has no business being on this project. Nyttend (talk) 17:05, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Redirects to the main page

The Spanish main page is entitled es:Wikipedia:Portada, but es:Main Page exists as a redirect to it. If you go to the redirect, you'll see a normal redirect notice at the top left of the page, Redirigido desde «Main Page»). If you go to a redirect to our Main Page, e.g. HomePage, you get no such notice; it's as if you went to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page directly. What causes the difference? Did the developers compile some code that causes Redirected from HomePage not to appear on the Main Page, and they just haven't bothered to do that over at es:wp? Nyttend (talk) 17:58, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

@Nyttend: Yes it's hidden locally. MediaWiki:Vector.css, MediaWiki:Monobook.css etc. have a /* Don't display some stuff on the main page */ section to hide elements such as "#contentSub" (which contains the 'mw-redirectedfrom' message) from the main page. - NQ (talk) 18:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

By the way, contentSub is also used in the pink box at top of old revisions so this box also becomes hidden on the main page as mentioned in MediaWiki talk:Vector.css#display: none for contentSub. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:14, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

I guess it isn't much of an issue to the few admins who edit that page once in a blue moon. MediaWiki:Editingold still shows up. - NQ (talk) 19:09, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Carnegie library

A Carnegie building, Latta Library was built and established as a public library in Dillon County, SC. in 1914. The library is located at 101 North Marion Street, Latta, SC 20565, and has served the town for 102 years.

Yolanda M McCormick, Library Director Dillon County Library 600 East Main Street Dillon, SC 29536 843-774-0330 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.255.100.3 (talk) 19:51, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Hello, do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? If you are suggesting that an article be created then you can request one at WP:Requested articles but you would need to be patient. You would also need to show that the article subject satisfies Wiki's fairly stringent rules on notability; see WP:GNG for more information. Eagleash (talk) 19:56, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Carnegie libraries are often notable; lots of books have been written about them, and many are listed on the National Register of Historic Places, but we can't automatically assume that all of them are notable. This particular one is already mentioned at List of Carnegie libraries in South Carolina, by the way. Nyttend (talk) 20:22, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Linking to an image on German WP

Hi all, I'm hoping to use an image from de:Holstentor-Lichtspiele, Datei:WP Cines Hansa-Theater.jpg which has not been moved to Commons. I don't seem to be able to link to it on WP:en. Cheers, >MinorProphet (talk) 20:13, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

You presumably meant de:Datei:WP Cines Hansa-Theater.jpg? No, to use a file on English Wikipedia it needs to be uploaded either to English Wikipedia or to Commons. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:19, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

The impossibility of displaying a file that's uploaded to a different Wikipedia, and the consequent necessity of uploading the same file at every WMF project that wants to use it, was the whole reason that Commons was set up in the first place. I can't imagine a copyright-based reason that it wouldn't be admissible here (published in 1913 = PD-US), but not being familiar with the German side of things, I can't speak as to whether it would be PD-Germany, a status that's required for a German-created work to be hosted at Commons. Nyttend (talk) 20:24, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

So the copyright tag that image appears to be using is that it's in public domain as it meet the threashold of originality. To be transferred to teh Commons, it would need to meet Common's threshold of originality, which I'm not sure it does. In fact, the image appears to be also tagged with a message saying it may be incompatible with Commons. Joseph2302 20:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for all your helpful comments. According to the file description, it's a page from the Lübecker General-Anzeiger, 8 October 1913. It says it's not to be uploaded to Commons without an individual review; is there anything I can do to progress things? I sort of speak German. It probably would be more 'useful' on Commons, but is simplest thing to do for the moment to upload it to English WP with a PD-US tag? >MinorProphet (talk) 21:45, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't know enough about German copyright law to know whether it's definitely in public domain or not. The Commona US-PD template implies that German copyright law is different to US. Best place to ask would be Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Joseph2302 21:56, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Will do, thanks again. >MinorProphet (talk) 22:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)