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June 18

Grammar of lead

I don't know if this is the right place to request this, but can someone please check the grammar of the lead section of the article Aladdin? specifically the last paragraph. Thank you. Javiero Fernandez (talk) 03:57, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

The article's talk page (Talk:Aladdin (1992 Disney film)) would be a better place for this request. —2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 04:37, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

(I don't think one needs to have any interest in an article or its subject to check its grammar.) I've read through the lead section, and its grammar seems fine to me. The first sentence of the final paragraph straggles on, and would probably be better broken into two sentences. Maproom (talk) 07:21, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Done. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Changing "Raúl Midón" article title

Hello, musician Raul Midón does not use an accent mark over the "u" in his first name. The article title should be changed from "Raúl Midón" to "Raul Midón". I would like to know how to get the title spelling changed. Thank You! - Stan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stan edit (talk • contribs) 06:00, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Sam Sailor 06:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Michael Kitces

Ref #17 is broken on this page and I'm not sure how to fix it. --76.14.38.58 (talk) 06:18, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I've corrected the URL error msg., but it's a deadlink anyway. Eagleash (talk) 06:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

External links / references

Can you please provide me with a better Layman's explanation of how to incorporate external links into my article to give it more credibility so it will hopefully be approved. Can I edit my URL's on the main edit page of my sandbox, or do I need to do this on the HTML strictly version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BerdeneNell (talk • contribs) 07:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

BerdeneNell Hi Welcome to Wikipedia help desk. Your sandbox article User:BerdeneNell/sandbox was declined due to the subject (Shimansky) has not demonstrated that it passes Wikipedia organisation notability guidelines. Many of the source provided are primary, noticeably from the organisation itself. The sources provided need to be independent from the subject and from reliable source such as newspaper or publications - pls see WP:RS. In addition, Wikipedia can NOT be the source. To add additional external link would NOT be make the subject/page more credibility and no amount of editing will merit a page in Wikipedia if the subject is not notable. If you want to add an external, pls include only one and not multiple. Just added a sub section "External link" and page the URL where it housed by 2 backers (example [URL address]). Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 08:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

@BerdeneNell: It's worth pointing out that we already have an article Yair Shimansky, much of the material in which your sandbox draft appears to duplicate. Perhaps it would be better to improve the existing article than to write a basically redundant new article. Deor (talk) 16:30, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Quote or Cquote?

Please explain when should I use {{Quote}} and when should i use {{Cquote}}! Thank you! Beyoncetan 2 (talk) 08:05, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Beyoncetan 2, Normally, {{Quote}} or {{blockquote}} would be used, {{cquote}} is used for pull quote, highlighting a key topic. - see Template:Cquote for additional info. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 08:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

NPOV Template removed without comment

Hi, I added an NPOV template and discussion to the article about King Abdullah University of Science and Technology, the reasons for that are in the discussion in the talk page. However, now i found that template removed without comment, neither in the edit nor in the NPOV discussion, and the issues persist. Whom can i contact about this? Should I just re-add the template? AngenehmerName (talk) 11:30, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I've re-added the template. Maproom (talk) 12:06, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

AngenehmerName, if the situation occurs again, let us know and further action can be taken if needed Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Is one non-English name always sufficient in each language?

Note: Thread copied from the talk page. Eagleash (talk) 12:33, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

According to a fellow editor, one non-English name is sufficient in each language. However I think the second alternative name is also worth mentioning. Is there any restriction that suggests to choose a single name? 123Steller (talk) 12:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Deletion log

How can I access the deletion log of a page? TeraTIX 12:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Teratix. Go to Special:Log/Delete, and enter the name of the page in the 'Target' box. --ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

@Teratix: Correction - you have to go to Special:Log/delete; the capitalization makes a difference. :)--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 18:58, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

See Help:Log for other options. Most pages have so few logs that you can just choose to see all of them and not only the deletion log. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:38, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! TeraTIX 23:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Help with changes

Dear Team at Wikipedia,

hi, I hope you can help me please. I am trying to change the page for Caffe Concerto. The thing is, that after I make a change someone comes in about 1 hour later and undoes 95% of my work! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffè_Concerto

I was wondering who may be doing this and I considered that it might be someone at Wikipedia, but I don't understand why because all of my statements have been statements of fact. Can you please help me,

Thanks

Georgia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zuzu.shaw (talk • contribs) 13:55, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• Hello Zuzu.shaw. You can access the history for the page in question by clicking the "view history" tab and see all edits made to the page; here, it brings you to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caff%C3%A8_Concerto&action=history. It shows that edits were made by IP editor 195.171.125.85 (probably you, not logged into your account) and "reverted" by Edwardx with the edit summary of Unexplained removal of cited content. Please discuss any concerns on talk page before removing cited content.

In that case the talk page would be located at Talk:Caffè_Concerto, but before you go there, notice that it is not enough that what you say is "statements of fact", it needs to be cited to reliable sources so that readers can check for themselves where the information comes from; thus, by changing information given by a certain reference and replacing it with your own knowledge, you break the chain of verifiability. Do you have a newspaper clip or similar to substantiate your changes? Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• Even more urgent: that article does not assert or establish notability (WP:N) and therefore may be reccommended for deletion by any editor at any time. quickly find two or more substantive articles in major newspapers, and cite them in the article. Also, if you work for the business or are compensated by them, you are a "paid editor" and must declare this to comply with our terms of service. See (WP:PAID).-Arch dude (talk) 16:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Organization Name Change

I am working on editing the Wikipedia page for The Children's Center for Communication/Beverly School for the Deaf. Unfortunately, the overall page is under the old name of the school, Beverly School for the Deaf. I have been unable to find out how I can do this because the current displayed name is no longer correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_School_for_the_Deaf

William Swett (talk) 14:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Can you find a reliable source for the name change? If so, this can be cited in the article, and the page can then be moved. ƒirefly ( t · c · who? ) 15:01, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Well, I work for the organization so I could get a letter from the executive director, use a business card, or something like that, but I'm not sure what other kind of reliable source could work. We already have the website linked and the official name is there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by William Swett (talk • contribs) 15:16, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Your executive director still calls the school by its old name on your website, but I appreciate that your corporate rebranding reflects your wider activities. Wikipedia uses the WP:Common name for organisations. I don't know whether the new name is now commonly used. Perhaps you could point us to some independent WP:Reliable sources such as newspaper articles? Since you have a WP:Conflict of interest, and probably WP:Paid status for this article, you probably should not make the edit yourself, but need to declare your status as an employee. Dbfirs 15:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

"Beverly School for the Deaf" is still a part of the school's name, but it is not the complete name. On the website, you can see right at the top of the page that the name is "The Children's Center for Communication/Beverly School for the Deaf." The new name is what is used on every letterhead, business card, or other mention of the organization. We no longer go by just "Beverly School for the Deaf" at all. If you need a news article to show the name, CCCBSD is talked about here http://beverly.wickedlocal.com/news/20180606/5-things-to-do-this-week-june-9-15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by William Swett (talk • contribs) 16:04, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Nobody cares what name you are trying to rebrand yourself as, just as nobody cares about the effort to rebrand Sixth Avenue as "Avenue of the Americas" and nobody cares that the official name (it's right there above the entrance) of Scotty's Castle is "Death Valley Ranch". You have to demonstrate not only that someone uses your new name but that most people do. The reference you gave is clearly a press release that your school (and I would venture to guess that you personally) generated.

I suggest that you continue your effort to get people to accept you attempt at rebranding and to ask again when most people user the new name. See [1] for someone else dealing with the same sorts of issues. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Request page move: Janus v AFSCME

Can someone please make this page move? I tried, but the Wikipedia computer program will not allow me to make the move. It must have something to do with conflicting redirects or such. The current name of the page is Janus v AFSCME. It should be renamed/moved to Janus v. AFSCME. The correct article title should have a period after the letter "v". Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Sam Sailor 17:28, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Great! Thanks! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:53, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

How to have someone review my suggested edits on a Talk Page?

I provided suggested changes on the Talk Page [[2]] and disclosed COI, but no changes or even feedback has been provided on the suggested edits in early May, including incorrect logo for the company that reflects the old company name. Please advise how I can have someone review the input. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cindy Comm Mgr (talk • contribs) 16:26, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• First, thank you for adhering to our COI policy. We appreciate it. Next, please read WP:EDITREQ, which we barely allude to on the WP:COI page, so it's very easy understand why you did not find it. SHORT ANSWER: place {{request edit}} in your section on that talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Please update Jamiroquai album sales as they have sold a lot more than what you have on your website.

I am a massive Jamiroquai fan, and I enjoy reading your information on them being one of the best bands around. Unfortunately I have noticed quite a lot of your information on their record sales is not accurate. For example their album Dynamite is certified Platinum with sales of nearly 400, 000, and this is referenced on the BPI page. If you add that to the other data, and that does not include all the countries it sold well in we are talking of an album selling more than a million copies. You stated that the next album sold less than half of Dynamie. If that is the case how come Dynamite has sold nearly 400, 000 copies, and the BPII has certified it platinum. Plus they have sold more than 26 million records. More like over 30 million, and I have seen sources as far as 40 million. Your data on all their album sales is wrong even with their third album selling a lot more than 7 million records. I am not having a go as I know people edit it, and I think your whole team is wonderful, and will enjoy good karma for making a lot of people around the world happy. Your website is my favourite site to read data, and I spend so much time on there, and never get bored.. This year my finances are improving, and I will very shortly be making a donation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.190.127.111 (talk) 17:23, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• Hi there. I'm glad you like the place. Please feel free to simply edit the articles yourself. It is essential that you cite reliable sources for the information you add: see WP:RS. If you are not comfortable with editing an article, just add a new section on the article's talk page, making your edit suggestion and providing your source in any format you want, and add {{request edit}}. Someone will come along eventually and update the article. We would appreciate it if you edit the article yourself, though: we are all volunteers here and all of us made our first edit some time in the past, and if you make a mistake someone will come along and fix it. We need your participation at least as much as we need your money. -Arch dude (talk) 17:55, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

The Ataris Wikipedia Page

Having a problem with a band members information not showing up with in the Bands Wikipedia page.

Band Member that is missing from page is Guitar, Backing Vocals, Joseph Farriella. Band member from 2003 - 2006. Albums affiliated with are So Long Astoria, Live at the Metro and Spiderman 2 Soundtrack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.144.239.3 (talk) 20:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Non-admins relisting AfD discussions

I am aware that if a non-admin user is experienced with AfDs/notability/consensus and stuff and is not involved with an AfD discussion, they may close the discussion if the decision is obviously to keep or if one of the speedy keep criterion applies. However, my question is, can a non-admin relist a discussion if it's been archived to WP:Articles for deletion/Old but there have been no responses yet? Or can only an admin do that?--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 20:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

How to add photo of the book to page?

How do I add a photo of my book to the Surfin' Guitars Instrumental Surf Bands of the Sixties page?

Robert Dalley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesurfraiders (talk • contribs) 21:20, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

You can start by reading WP:COI. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• You should also take a look at WP:USERNAME. Your name gives the appearance of being group name and the name of an organization, neither of which is allowed. -Arch dude (talk) 21:35, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Paul Mark Urlovic

On my name someone has edited my name to Paul Mark Obama. It is not Obama it is URLOVIC. Can you edit this please and also find out who has changed my name .I do not appriate this kind of behavior. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.224.244.253 (talk) 21:49, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

It was vandalism in this edit, which I have now reverted. The IP was warned for other vandalism the same day, and hasn't edited since. Thanks for letting us know. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:55, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

How to use information from this website without violating any copyrights?

Hey! A while ago I came across this website, which I found out to be a source that could be used to enhance the article Sierra Leone and Protectorate greatly. I was already aware of the serious copyright laws here in Wikipedia and therefore tried to use the text from the website, but while attempting to use the text here in Wikipedia in a way that it could not be considered copyrighted content. All of that contribution on this article was demolished. How can I use information from that website and use it on Wikipedia without it being considered copyrighted content, or is using any information from that website automatically considered copyrighted, no matter what? If someone who knows about this matter more than I could help me with building the article using that website as source while it's still accessible, it would be more than appreciated. I would merely love to see this become a strong article with lots of information from a credible source. Thank you! –Sullay (Let's talk about it) 23:21, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sullay, I don't see any reason you can't use information from that website, so long as you write in your own words and provide a link showing where you got your information per Wikipedia's verifiability policy. Previously, info from this site was removed from Sierra Leone Colony and Protectorate for too closely paraphrasing the original content. See WP:PLAGIARISM and WP:CITE for more info. clpo13_(talk) 23:31, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

• As Clpo13 said, you can use the information. Information is not subject to copyright. Copyright protects "creative expression": that is, the way the words on that site are put together to convey the information. You must "use your own words" to creatively convey the information in your own way. Plagiarism has nothing to do with copyright law. Plagiarisn is copying without attribution: if you attribute, then you are not plagiarizing. If you re-use copyrighted creative material without a license, then you are violating copyright law, whether or not you attribute the source. In your case, we need to cite the source for verifiability, not to avoid plagiarism. -Arch dude (talk) 01:09, 19 June 2018 (UTC)