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September 8

Our complaint towards the illegal diversion of our Community Wiki Page Thiyya

Respected Sir / Madam,

We came to know that A Wikipedia page "Thiyya" has been redirected to another page "Ezhava" . As I am representing a community "Thiyya" and its Wiki page, I strongly request you to kindly reverse back this . There is no relation between Thiyya and Ezhava as they are entirely different .

Kindly look into the matter take necessary action as soon as possible

Thanks and regards, SUNITH PONOCHADAN For an on behalf of Thiyya Community and its Wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by SUNITH PONCHADAN (talk • contribs) 07:18, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

There seems to be a specific section in the Ezhava article that deals with this - Dispute between Thiyya and Ezhava. The article talk page would probably be a better place to discuss this topic. Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:30, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I'll add that if you want any help from this community, please refrain from making legal threats. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:56, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I assumed good faith and that the use of "illegal" is not intended to chill, but down to English not being the first language of the OP. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Are high school yearbooks reliable sources to verify attendance?

Someone added Edgar Snyder to the "Notable alumni" section on Taylor Allderdice High School, graduating in 1959. Another editor, John from Idegon, removed Snyder because it was unsourced that he attended the school. Most of the school's yearbooks are published online, in their entirety, so I found Snyder's senior yearbook, found Snyder's senior photo and listing on page 67, added the source to his bio, then re-added his listing to the Taylor Allderdice article. I also wrote the reverting editor on his talk page and provided the link to Snyder's yearbook page (http://www.donslist.net/CACHE/1536403/TAHS1959_0067.jpg or page 67 at http://www.donslist.net/PGHLookups/TAHS1959M.htm). The editor then removed Snyder a second time from the school article, saying school yearbooks are not reliable sources. Is this correct or incorrect? Can an official high school yearbook be used to verify if a notable person attended the school? 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 10:14, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

• In my opinion it's a reliable source (identifiable publisher, editorial oversight, available to other WP editors). However, please take this to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, which is where the community tries to reach consensus on this topic. Notify the other editor, assume good faith (WP:AGF), and argue your point based on WP:RS. -Arch dude (talk) 16:37, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I asked on that noticeboard. Unfortunately, the editor showed no interest in discussing the matter as you may have seen on his talk page, which I posted to right after he reverted. He first said he didn't know what I was referring to. When I clarified, he didn't reply but instead immediately reverted Snyder's info again with an edit summary flatly stating that a school yearbook cannot be used as a source. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 18:31, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Move on to the dispute resolution process. See WP:DISPUTE. -Arch dude (talk) 19:05, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Please notify the other user that you opened this discussion on the notice board. -Arch dude (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Done. 2605:A000:FFC0:D8:3059:8016:5847:3E43 (talk) 03:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

'Ghost' reference?

In the article Ambubachi Mela a 'ghost' reference appears - #1 in the References section - with no corresponding reference or citation tag anywhere in the article itself or the infoboxes. What is going on here?
(The reference is to "Meet the Axomiya Sikhs". The Tribune. Chandigarh. 24 March 2013.) Which also appears to have nothing to do with the article concerned.
Chris Fynn (talk) 13:54, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

The reference is in Template:Culture of Assam. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:06, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I couldn't find it and it was It was bugging me. Since there is no reason why that template should have that embedded reference to an external site I'll remove it. Chris Fynn (talk) 14:33, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Book reviews

What is the proper way to cite book reviews? I'm asking in particular about this review by Harvey of this book by Meyerson. The only parameter I found on Template:Cite journal that was close to relevant is |department=, but that's not really what I'm looking for. I'm not satisfied with the ones on Google Scholar because of the amount of detail they provide in the work titles (e.g. "$45"), and I'm pretty sure that's not how we do it here on Wikipedia. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 16:24, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if there is any "proper way," but I've always just used {{cite journal}} with something like "Review of [book title] by [author]" in the title field. See references 2 and 3 in W. R. F. Browning, or 2 and 3 in The Nixon Administration and the Death of Allende's Chile, for an example. The Google Scholar citation output looks like an automated version and doesn't resemble anything that would normally be recommended for academic writing (for example Purdue Owl's guidelines for MLA style, which suggest something similar to what I've described above). – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

stuck attempting to replace defunct links in reference section for published article Keith A. Schooley

Hi editors. I’m the original author of the entry Keith A. Schooley. I’m having trouble updating several reference links that no longer exist on the web. I want to replace one link in two different spots (#1 and #10) with a powerpoint, or pdf equivalent (or it's link) that is the same exact information from the original link including the byline. The third spot (#13) is being replaced with another link that also contains the same exact information on a pdf from the original link. I am copying the unedited sections that need updating along with the new links. Would somebody please insert these for me? I would very much appreciate your expert assistance. Thanks so much. Hillary Chase.

1. 1: Keith A. Schooley (born 1952) is an American author and former stockbroker at Merrill Lynch, who brought attention to fraud and corruption within the firm at the Oklahoma and Texas offices in 1992 as a whistleblower.

1. 10: Schooley lost his case in arbitration and in subsequent courts. Murdock Global Advisers listed Schooley along with seven other very notable whistleblowers as a result of his actions.

1. 13: In 2012, a fictionalized story "Robber Barons of the Big Board," was written as a screenplay by Chandra Niles Folsom about Schooley, and published as an e-book.

1. 1 & #10 pdf: (Here is replacement link to powerpoint): https://www.auditnet.org/system/.../BuildingEffectiveWhistleblowingPrograms.ppt

1. 13 replacement link: https://thecostcouldbefatal.com/pdfs/Robber%20Barons%20Amazon%20Reviews.pdf

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hillary Chase (talk • contribs) 17:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

References

Oportunidades

Hello,

Can someone put the Oportunidades page's title in italics? Like on Hardwell On Air.

Thanks,

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 18:06, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Y Done. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 18:13, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Jimmy Wales user page

In the Jimmy Wales user page I have added “I will not send Police at your home!”. Why this is considered vandalism? Wales could found funny that phrase, he have a good sense of humor... --151.49.88.52 (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

he have a good sense of humor is probably why he would not have found funny that phrase. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:32, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Overlapping portal links

Good evening! What can be done in order to avoid the overlapping of portal links in Hermann Göring#External links (open "Articles and topics related to Hermann Göring", and see at the bottom) causing the link description "Military of Germany" to be cropped?--Neufund (talk) 21:20, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I didn't see a problem at my default zoom but saw it at other zooms. class="wraplinks" fixes it for me by overriding a class="nowraplinks" from {{Navboxes}}.[1] {{Subject bar}} says "intended be placed ... before any navboxes". This would also have fixed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: So nice of you! Thanks a lot for your quick assistance! Just, what "would also have fixed it"? And how can I arrange for this inquiry to be archived? Best wishes from--Neufund (talk) 21:59, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Placing {{Subject bar}} before {{Navboxes}} instead of inside would also have fixed it. It would mean the portals and sister projects are displayed before the navboxes and not collapsible. Help desk sections are automatically archived after a few days. Don't do anything for that. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:07, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thank you very much once again! Best wishes from--Neufund (talk) 18:59, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Number of page watchers

I note the link for this statistic has been removed from "View History," and the statistic has been rolled into the "Page statistics" page.

But for some articles the statistic is not shown on Page statistics. Should this be interpreted to mean "Fewer than 30?"

BTW, is there a way to permanently suppress general messages that appear a the top of the Watchlist page, such as "Everybody is invited to the Bay Area WikiSalon series on Wednesday, September 26 from 6:00 to 8:30 pm in San Francisco..."?

Cheers soibangla (talk) 22:38, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

The "Number of watchers" link went to the same page as the still present "Page information" under "Tools" in the left pane. See more at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Number of Page Watchers. I guess you are right that "Page statistics" omits watchers when "Page information" only says "Fewer than 30" to non-administrators. Administrators like me can see all counts at "Page information" but not at the external tool "Page statistics". You can disable "Display watchlist notices" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. I'm not sure what you mean by "general messages". PrimeHunter (talk) 23:14, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Peer Review - Request for reviewers

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Wikipedia peer review needs more reviewers. Please join us and contribute some reviews, or add yourself to our volunteers list to get regular updates of unanswered reviews.

Peer review provides a way for new and experienced editors alike to ask for and provide input into an article that is being developed. It's often a stepping stone for new editors, or for articles on their way to featured article status. It's a great way to help new editors become experienced with our wiki ways, improve articles, and learn about completely new subject areas.

We usually have between 10 - 20 unanswered reviews, often waiting for months, that only require a pair of eyes and some kind advice. We look forward to seeing you around!

Yours, --Tom (LT) (talk) 22:58, 8 September 2018 (UTC)