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November 25

“The End if the Trail” statue

“The End of the Trail” by James Earle Fraser (Wihipedua’s information is incorrect.). It was unveiled in 1915, winning the gold medal for sculptures at the San Francisco Panama-Pacific Exposition. Fraser had made several practice pieces, the statue that won the gold medal in 1915 was made of plaster.

After the exposition, most of the sculptures ended up in a mud pit. It was rescued, restored and was placed on permanent exhibit at Mooney Grove, Visalia (in Tulare County) CA for 52 years.

In need of restoration, the National Cowboy Hall of Fame (now known as National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum) on Oklahoma City, OK struck a deal with Tulare County. The Original 1915 plaster statue would be restored and installed in a climate controlled building, to be built specifically for the statue; in exchange, Visalia’s Mooney Grove Park would receive an exact bronze replica.

I witnessed the removal in’68 & the unveiling in ‘71. I also visited it in its new home on ‘73.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.67.132 (talk • contribs) 25 November 2019 04:36 (UTC)

If you have suggestions for edits or improvements to an article, you should start a discussion on that article's talk page. Information in an article must come from published, reliable sources. We can't use your personal recollections. RudolfRed (talk) 04:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. Our strange model of crowdsourced editing by anonymous editors means that we can only accept information that has been published in reliable sources. It's not that we don't trust you, it's just that we have no other mechanism to verify what you or anyone else says. You do have one advantage: you know the dates and places, so you are in a much better position to search the Internet to find those sources. -Arch dude (talk) 20:24, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Giota Miroti

Greek Super Model — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giota miroti (talk • contribs) 25 November 2019 08:22 (UTC)

@Giota miroti: Do you have a question about how to use or edit Wikipedia? Eagleash (talk) 08:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

How to reply to Alert and other Talk messages

Hello,

I have received several messages as 'Alerts' and 'Talk' messages about various articles or about a question I asked, but, although having contributed to Wikipedia for many years, I still can't figure out how to reply o these messages, if only to thank their authors or to ask them questions on their comments. Nowhere is a 'Reply' button visible. Thanks to advise how to do this, Regards,

Note: in general, as a long time user, I would comment that Wikipedia is a prime example of "How to make things complicated when they could be plain simple"; indeed, it is very 'user unfriendly', if not 'hostile'. If Wikipedia operating procedures and tools could be simplified and made more practical, it would most likely attract more contributors to Wikipedia.

LlouestLlouest (talk) 10:27, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

To reply to a message on a talk page, click the edit button at the top of the section. See Help:Talk pages and WP:Talk page guidelines. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:41, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Nordahl Grieg - hit wrong button

Hi, apologies ...! - just browsing the "History" section of the NG article, wanting to look at a "diff/cur" from 2017, I accidentally hit the "prev" button, that little circle that turns black when you hit it, but doesn't unblack again whatever you do ... Just afraid I might have carelessly undone two years of article improvement; and I didn't dare to try to "fix it". Could someone with editing experience please swoosh by and check that all is as it should be? Thx in advance. T 85.166.161.28 (talk) 14:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Not to worry, you haven't done anything. I'm not sure what circle you mean but I think you mean the radio buttons that let you choose two non-consecutive revisions to compare. You can restore an old revision from the history screen but of course you shouldn't without a good reason, and if you ever do anything by mistake it can always be undone. Thanks for your concern anyway. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:17, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi, thx a lot, yes, "radio button" it must be. Phew. Wouldn't want to commit involuntary vandalism. Thx again. T

If everyone who committed involuntary vandalism at some point in their editing was banned, most (all?) of us who have been volunteering here for years would be gone. I've got more than 70,000 edits, if 50 or more of them weren't involuntary vandalism, I'll eat my hat. You just figure it out (or get told) and revert your own changes.Naraht (talk) 20:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism is editing (or other behavior) deliberately intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose, so "involuntary vandalism" is an oxymoron. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 11:44, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi,hi, it was meant as a humorous remark ... but come to think of it, what about those who cannot resist vandalising? T 85.166.161.28 (talk) 21:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

how do i get a page removed?

Hello, How do i get a page removed? The page in question is "Raleigh Grifter" It responsible for spreading false information pertaining to the Raleigh Grifter. NONE of what is written is TRUE and to be frank, its a joke Raleigh Grifter

This surely needs to be removed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Raleigh Grifter Forum (talk • contribs)

The page needs properly cited sources, as does your claim that "NONE of what is written is TRUE". If you can find sources that disagree with what's written there, use them to improve the article. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Editing a page

I work for someone who wants to edit their wikipedia page. I've been attempting to do this for several weeks and even made an account but have still been unsuccessful. My boss wants her name changed on the page to something different and she also wants updated information. How can I do this? Is there someone we need to hire to obtain this? Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Relaxandlaugh (talk • contribs) 25 November 2019 15:57 (UTC)

@Relaxandlaugh: Before we can go any further, you must read WP:COI and WP:PAID and make the necessary declarations. The latter page is mandatory under the terms of use. You should not edit the page directly but make edit rquests via the article talk page. It looks as though you have changed the name within the article but have been reverted. Wikipedia reports on what has been written about the subject in reliable sources. As far as I can see the sources at tjhe page refer to her as 'Dipa': see also WP:COMMONNAME. Please also note that it is Wikipedia's article about the subject and they have little, or no, control over what it contains. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Eagleash (talk) 16:07, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Would this be the talk page I'd use to make requests? Her IMDB page uses a different name, would that be a good enough source to change the information? Otherwise can I create a new page? Relaxandlaugh (talk) 16:13, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Relaxandlaugh: Not this page but the article talk page; click talk at the article itself. IMDb is not acceptable as a source as it has little editorial oversight (see WP:UGC). Please make the necessary declarations before editing further. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 16:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref too many keys

Lianna Rebolledo -- angelusnews.com/local/california/when-life-can-do-more-lianna-rebolledo-a-rape-survivor-becomes-a-pro-life-advocate-and-voice-for-those-suffering-similar-experiences/ Cite error for Angelus news source CaptJayRuffins (talk) 16:32, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

How to properly cite or search for english source ??

Syntax error in Lianna Rebolledo has been, fixed by John from Reading. --ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Table transclusion formatting trouble

Hello, does anybody have an idea how to avoid having an excess line spacing rendered here above the transcluded table from Help:CS1 errors#Cite uses deprecated parameter |<param>?--Hildeoc (talk) 19:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Paramount Home Media Distribution (page)

Hi, I'm an employee of Paramount Home Entertainment and am looking to correct a lot of wrong information on the Paramount Home Media Distribution page.

If I'm asked to change the page name - is that possible? Our Division name has changed back to Paramount Home Entertainment. Where can I find the instructions to change the page name to Paramount Home Entertainment? Jeanette Estrem (talk) 19:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Jeanette Estrem: Hi, Jeanette. Your user page does declare that you are an employee of the company, but it's a bit informal. Please see WP:PAID and perhaps make it a bit more formal. Note also that the WP:PAID policy requires that you refrain from directly editing articles about your employere or its works. Instead, make edit suggestions on the article's talk page. we call a change of title a "page move". Plese suggest this move instead of making it yourself. Our page title should reflect the name in most common use and should not necessarily reflect a recent change in the fromal name of a company: you may discuss this when you suggest the move. Please add {{request edit}} to your suggestion on the talk page to cause our software to attract the attention of a an editor who likes to do that stuff.

Hello, Jeanette Estrem. Thank you for disclosing your connection with the subject; but we require more formal disclosure. The first thing you need to do is to read COI and WP:PAID, and make the required declaration on your user page and the talk page of that article Paramount Home Entertainment. Please understand that it is not your article, but Wikipedia's article about your division: Wikipedia is not much interested in what the company or division says about itself, or wants said, it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the company have published about it. You are welcome to request edits to that article, preferably citing independent sources for any information you wish to have added. To change the title of the article. please make a request at requested moves. --ColinFine (talk) 20:14, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Plainlist formatting

Hello, everybody! Why exactly isn't there a line-break rendered here between the second and third web link on the left? How can that be fixed?--Hildeoc (talk) 20:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

​{{plainlist}} changes the style of lists, but does not create lists. So you just need to append the * bullet in front of the items to make it a list. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Thjarkur: Thank you. However, now it looks a bit packed … How can we get the usual default line spacing being rendered there?--Hildeoc (talk) 15:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Patrick Hobbs

You people need to lock out the page for "Patrick Hobbs" since there are little children who are taking out their childish frustrations over Rutgers' failed football team on it.

You can request page protection at WP:RFPP if there is ongoing vandalism. RudolfRed (talk) 20:21, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

I see this was also raised at the Teahouse. Please don't post the same question to multiple pages. RudolfRed (talk) 20:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Fact check

On the following page ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Chicago_riots#cite_note-1 ), the following line ( Soon riots began, primarily in black urban areas where whites came to destroy neighborhoods and torture community members. ) seem incorrect and very racist towards white people. The link that accompanies that sentnence as a source mentions nothing of the sort. How could this have been missed? This needs to be looked at and changed immediately.

I've removed that bit of vandalism which was missed at the end of October. Are there any other dubious statements unsupported by references? Dbfirs 21:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Help:Citation Style 1 parameter output

At Help:Citation Style 1, is there supposed to be no space rendered after the colon following the parameter denotation Bibcode? If so, why exactly?--Hildeoc (talk) 20:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@Hildeoc: There is a space there after the colon, just like with all the other options. RudolfRed (talk) 02:58, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Sorry, but no, there is actually no space rendered after Bibcode: – cf. e. g. Milky_Way#cite_note-ssr100_1_129-1.--Hildeoc (talk) 14:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

In your OP, you appear to be asking about Help:Citation Style 1#csdoc_bibcode and yes there is, and is supposed to be, a space after the colon there. At Milky_Way#cite_note-ssr100_1_129-1, the rendering of |bibcode= is the same as |arxiv= and the same as |doi= in that citation: <identifier label><colon><identifier>. That is how it is supposed to be.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

How do you propose speedily deletion to a article or talk page?

I was trying to propose speedily deletion here because it was made only for vandalism, but it didn’t work, and so my edit was reverted, please tell me how to propose speedily deletion on an article or talk page. Thank you! The person who should not be named (talk) 20:18, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

@The person who should not be named: Follow the instructions at WP:SPEEDY. Your attempt was using an article specific reason to delete a talk page, which won't work. You need to find the criteria that applies to what you are trying to delete. WP:G3 maybe for your case? RudolfRed (talk) 01:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Also, for small vandalism, just revert the bad edit, no need to delete the whole page. RudolfRed (talk) 01:31, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:User pages#Deletion of user talk pages. I had already told the OP to read Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#User talk pages, which links to there. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: The page was created only for vandalism, Hi you boobs is what the old revision of the page looked like and that was all it said, i first blanked the page because I didn’t know how to delete it, and no IP user of that name existed, so i can’t revert the bad part, it needs to be deleted. Just so you know on what you said above: Also, for small vandalism, just revert the bad edit, no need to delete the whole page. The person who should not be named (📞) 15:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)