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June 29

Obituaries

I’m trying to find my friends death notice from April how do I go about doing that for free — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6000:D803:2D00:58AC:EA66:C2FC:1AF9 (talk) 02:29, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

This page is for helping people with their questions about the use of Wikipedia. You could ask at the "reference desk" (see the top of this page); but if you do, you'd better specify the nation. -- Hoary (talk) 02:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Wish to remove links to a page that I hope to delete

There's a category page that I hope to delete. I've already posted the deletion template on the page and brought it up on the most recent "Categories for discussion" page, but could anyone please tell me if, in the meantime, it's okay for me to remove the category links on that page? I've already removed the pages that were grouped in it, so I'd hate for someone to just find an empty category page. (Edit: The title of this section should have been "links on a page that I hope to delete", but since they're category links, they manifest elsewhere.) (Edit: Also sorry if the wording of this made it difficult to understand; I'm not sure if I should clarify further, for fear of insulting those who did understand it.) (Edit: I should have written in my first edit note that the category links on the page I hope to delete causes links to the page to appear elsewhere; sorry again for the poor wording.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 02:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: You are not allowed to remove parent categories from the category, and you are not allowed to remove member pages from the category either. The lead of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion says: "Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion." Also, the decision may be to keep or rename the category and then removed pages would have to be found again and readded. Even if the category is deleted, we may want to find an alternative category for the pages. Please restore them. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:59, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I've restored them, at least for the time being, but I'd already found a replacement category for them. (Edit: Added ping template.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 22:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Article title

How do I edit the a misleading title to an article? Thanks. Etvte (talk) 08:31, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Etvte It would help to know which article you are talking about, but changing the title first requires a page move. You can request a page move at Requested Moves or you can discuss it on the article talk page. Be advised that Wikipedia does not necessarily use official or legal names for article titles, it uses whatever independent reliable sources generally use. Example, Bill Clinton, not his legal name of William Jefferson Clinton or his birth name of William Jefferson Blythe. 331dot (talk) 08:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, The title I wish to edit is 'John Barlow, diplomat'. It suggests a more integral role in Henry VIII's divorce than he actually played. A better title would be 'John Barlow, Rector and Dean'.

Thanks, Etvte (talk) 09:37, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Etvte Yes, then you should discuss this on the article talk page and if no one objects, you can bring it to Requested Moves. We usually try to keep disambiguations simple so I'm not sure a three word disambiguation would be accepted. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft Page

I created a new article but now it is saved as draft. I want to submit ot for review. How can I do that - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Manuj_Bhardwaj — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scru2896 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Before you submit it for review you need to place each reference immediately after the text which it supports, see Help:Referencing for beginners. You also need to remove the misplaced external links from within the draft article text. After you've sorted out those problems you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Cinnamon Hotels & Resorts

Article-type content

Cinnamon Hotels & Resorts File:Cinnamon Hotels & Resorts.jpeg Industry Leisure, Travel and Tourism Founded 2005 Headquarters Colombo , Sri Lanka Area served Sri Lanka Products Villas, Suites etc: Parent John Keells Holdings PLC Management Website cinnamonhotels.com Cinnamon Hotels & Resorts is a hotel chain backed by John Keells Holdings PLC, with interest in sectors such as Leisure, Transportation, Property, Consumer Food & Retail, Financial Services, Information Technology, Business Process Operations and Plantations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pushpithaw82 (talk • contribs) 12:35, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Pushpithaw82: Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? If you wish to create an article for this topic, please read both the general notability guidelines and particularly the more specific organisational ones. Please also see the guide to creating an article. If youn feel the topic satisfies the notability criteria please create a draft via WP:WIZ or WP:AFC which you can then submit for review. Eagleash (talk) 13:09, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

References

What help are you looking for, Pushpithaw82? Incidentally, I have a question for you. Why do you describe yourself as "we"? -- Hoary (talk) 13:06, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

The help page isn't the place for a draft article. Try placing it at Draft:Cinnamon Hotels & Resorts. It would not be suitable as an article unless you can find references to multiple published independent reliable sources giving significant coverage of the subject. LinkedIn is not independent so not suitable for demonstrating notability, see WP:LINKEDIN. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:09, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph and Hoary: Please see the page log here suggests it has not been improved by anyway since 2015 and a blatant WP:PROMOTIONAL re-attempt ~ Amkgp 💬 05:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

George Steuart Travels another WP:PROMOTION creation. It seems that the editor is subject to WP:UPE ~ Amkgp 💬 05:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Username

Hi there, im an old time Wikipedia user who used to edit many years ago - wheres the best place to go regarding usernames? I intend to be very active but i am not sure if my username is as good as it should be, originally it was going to be 'Strebsam' which is a German word for ambitious is there a way i can change it to this, or if not is there a place where i could ideas/ opinons on usernames? Strebsan (talk) 15:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Changing username * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:53, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Strebsan: the user name exists already. Please choose something else or read Wikipedia:USURP. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Dealing with censorship of sexually explicit content

Dear all, recently I came across an instance of censorship in the article Lao Ai, specifically with reference to Lao's alleged sexual ability that led to his involvement in Qin imperial politics and his downfall. This material is recorded in canonical Chinese history, in the Records of the Grand Historian, and is integral to the character's biography (I have since edited the article to clarify); unfortunately, since the specific passage appears sexual in nature, and since it appears that the page had been subject to vandalism in the past, it is easy for users patrolling new changes by unregistered/new users to assume vandalism, especially if they are unfamiliar with the subject matter.

Since Wikipedia is not censored, I believe that the passage should not be removed. Although there has only been one attempt so far (and I'm hoping it'll stay this way), I'm concerned that any future attempt would not be fixed for a long time until editors with experience in the relevant field show up. Is there any way we can signal to new change patrols that the page really ought to contain sexually explicit content, and thus to be a bit more cautious before reverting changes and/or to read the talk page before doing so? AristippusSer (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@AristippusSer: The best solution is to cite the sources. It'd be hard for someone to justify removal then. The best place to raise the issue, which will also then be preserved for future activity, is the article's talk page at Talk:Lao Ai. I suspect the concern could be more about WP:DUE weight (so to speak ) than just censorship. I imagine there's lots of legendary material about historic figures, which may have only one source (that may have been repeated by others, ala WP:CIRCULAR), that we eliminate if it's not central to an understanding of the subject. Not my field, though – definitely use the article talk page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@AristippusSer: Forgot something. It's not ideal, but there are times when, if I want other editors to see something about a specific piece of content before they edit it, I add an HTML comment near it. Unfortunately, this only works sometimes, as some editing tools (like maybe the Visual Editor or the mobile view?) may not show these well or at all. HTML comments are inserted like this (in source editor): <!-- This is an HTML comment. -->

Hi AlanM1, I have already left a note on the talk page there. In this particular case, the content in question is in fact the primary historical significance of the personage — some historians have even thought that the record we have of him is meant to be allegorical rather than historical, given that the name he is known under is literally a sexual innuendo in Old Chinese. I have added this and other information to the article, citing relevant works of course; hopefully with the expanded explanation people will be less inclined to judge the material as irrelevant, and the issue won't come up again. AristippusSer (talk) 19:53, 29 June 2020 (UTC) (P.S. I had thought of HTML comments, but let's see if the issue recurs in the future since I've edited the article. I will add something in the future if it ever does.)

(Also, the question is not so much related to whether the content warrants removal, but rather to the problem that it is difficult for new users to restore it without being immediately tagged as vandalism on e.g. Huggle. But I suppose there really isn't an easy way to solve this, then. AristippusSer (talk) 19:57, 29 June 2020 (UTC))

How can i get a free template for my biography?

Can you kindly guide me for creating my biography?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Palash Chandra Banik (talk • contribs)

Palash Chandra Banik Wikipedia is not a place for people to write about themselves. Please read the autobiography policy; autobiographical articles, while not forbidden, are strongly discouraged. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about article subjects that are shown to meet the special Wikipedia definition of notability; in this case, the definition of a notable person. In order for you to succeed in writing about yourself, you would have to forget everything you know about yourself and what you do, and only write based on the content of independent sources that have chosen on their own to give you significant coverage. Most people cannot do this about themselves, though it is technically possible. If you think that you can do that, and have the sources to support an article about you, you should use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft.

A Wikipedia article about you is not necessarily a good thing. You cannot lock it to the text that you might prefer, or prevent others from editing it. Once created, you could not directly edit it(though you could make edit requests). Any information about you, good or bad, can be in an article about you as long as it appears in an independent source and is not defamatory. Please keep this in mind.

You can introduce yourself to the Wikipedia community, as a Wikipedia editor or user, on your user page, but it is not a place to tell anything and everything about yourself. 331dot (talk) 20:35, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

How to sort by last name on a category article?

Hello, here's my issue: I added various categories at the end of the Hilda Tenorio article and as you know, category articles of people are ordered alphabetically by last name, but the problem is that in the case of Hilda Tenorio, the system thinks or supposes that "Hilda" is her last name (rather than Tenorio) when in reality it's her first name and because of that it adds her article to the "H" section rather than the "T" section. I was wondering if you could help me to solve this problem. Any ideas how to solve this?

Seguro64 (talk) 20:30, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Just above the categories, insert {{DEFAULTSORT:Tenorio, Hilda}} . The DEFAULTSORT is intended for just this purpose, to force sorting other than by the name of the article. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:35, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Voilà! Thank you Orange Mike, that helped.

Seguro64 (talk) 20:40, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Marilyn Douala Bell

Hello,

I am trying to update pages on behalf of the Douala Bell family. The nephew of Marilyn Douala Bell is Stephane N'ko Douala-Bell a canadian rapper who is also known as Sty-Low https://www.instagram.com/mister_d.o.p.e/

i can provide pictures to prove who he is — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khrysvic (talk • contribs) 22:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Khrysvic: You must declare your conflict of interest on User:Khrysvic with Template:UserboxCOI, or Template:Paid if you are being paid. I see your edits to various Douala Bell pages were reverted because you did not include an independent reliable source. Instead of editing the articles directly, please post your suggestions on the article talk pages with the {{edit request}} template (and independent reliable soures), and someone else will help you edit the articles. I see you have also started Draft:Sty-Low. You should be summarizing independent reliable sources to demonstrate how he meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for musicians, and use footnotes to show which sentence matches which source. Thanks! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 22:33, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Error message

I was doing some cleanup after an unfortunate fail of Sign stealing for GA, when I came across a message that said this:

Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404)

How can I still make my edit? There are a lot of changes that I would not want deleted. Ghinga7 (talk) 23:02, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

I ended up just screenshotting it and then reloading the page and editing according to what I had tried to edit earlier. Therefore, this request is  completed Ghinga7 (talk) 02:33, 30 June 2020 (UTC)