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April 21

Submitting a Wikipedia page

I need help with submitting this Wikipedia profile: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valencia_Rush — Preceding unsigned comment added by ValenciaRush413 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

ValenciaRush413 You took a chance and moved it to main space yourself, what do you need help with? Wikipedia does not have "profiles", not a single one. Wikipedia has articles. 331dot (talk) 00:09, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm trying to figure out how to have the page be published to pop up on the search engine. How do I do that or does it take awhile for it show up once I move it to the main space? ValenciaRush413 (talk) 00:11, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

ValenciaRush413 It takes time for it to show up in search engines, and it also must be formally reviewed. However, there are serious problems with the article that would have been detected had you not moved the article to the encyclopedia yourself. I strongly advise you to allow it to be put back as a draft for further work. 331dot (talk) 00:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@ValenciaRush413, the article has typos ("started of homeschooled"), missing words ("She has taken assessments to confirm that she does ADHD") and other issues as @331dot implies... such as being largely unreferenced. I would do some copyediting, but I'll wait to see if it survives. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 02:29, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Not to mention your apparent disregarding of friendly warnings on your talk page about conflict of interest in the only article you have edited. Bazza (talk) 09:00, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Using LISTEN to play sound

I've put a WAV file in Thunder, near the top, across from the table of contents, but it doesn't display the arrow to play the file. How can I get the arrow to display? (This is the first time I've used "listen".) Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 05:01, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

It probably should be a .ogg file.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, that fixed it. Strangely, I was able to use a WAV file in Jet airliner. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 06:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

There's probably something wrong with that wav file. Normally wav files are transcoded to ogg and mp3 automatically (as more efficient and better supported), but the transcode status shows that they have not been completed and actually trying to reset them is causing an error. That seems to indicate a problem somewhere in the pipeline... —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:51, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Can it be a FLAC file? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 07:00, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

All of the audio files that I have uploaded for use in articles have been .ogg. These are compressed and keep the file size and bit rate down. It isn't really necessary to use lossless formats.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Ogg reduced this file to 11.6% of its original size - pretty strong compression. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 07:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

To be pedantic, Ogg is a multimedia container format. If your ogg file includes audio, it can be in any of several formats. The audio in question here is probably in Vorbis format. This is often called "ogg vorbis". If you need lossless compression then Flac can be encapsulated in ogg instead. -Arch dude (talk) 15:37, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Biography

I would like to post my biography, but I always get rejected.

So, who can post my biography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christoph Steidl Porenta (talk • contribs) 09:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Christoph Steidl Porenta Per WP:BASIC, quite likely noone. But it depends on if the demanded sources exist. Can you link the 3-5 best sources you know that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of you and about you in some detail? This excludes blogs, wikis, your websites, etc, etc. Also, take the time to read WP:ABOUTME. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I wondered if it might be this person, because it is the only one that produces hits in a web search.[1]. If it is, there isn't enough secondary reliable sourcing to make a Wikipedia article. It's the usual problem of WP:AVOIDCREATE.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ianmacm This [2] could very well be a WP:GNG-point. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

And this:[3]. There may be a case for an article here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

You can probably post your biography somewhere, but probably not on Wikipedia. That is not generally what we're here for. I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Alternative outlets. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. It's not impossible, but the sourcing does look rather thin and people should generally not be creating articles about themselves anyway, per WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

In a BLP situation, "sourcing does look rather thin" is a pretty good indication we may be better off not having an article on them. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:57, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Christoph Steidl Porenta now in mainspace. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:20, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Small rendering error in the page preview for 1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash

The page preview for the article linked should probably be:

On 21 January 1968, an aircraft accident involving...

But is instead:

On 21 January 1968, an aircraft accident ; Danish: Thuleulykken) involving...

Does anyone know how to fix this? It's minor, but rather irritating lol INDT (talk) 11:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Apart from the double parentheses (which I've fixed), it looks fine to me: first sentence now reads On 21 January 1968, an aircraft accident, sometimes known as the Thule affair or Thule accident (/ˈtuːli/; Danish: Thuleulykken), involving a United States Air Force (USAF) B-52 bomber occurred near Thule Air Base in the Danish territory of Greenland. See MOS:DUALPRON. Bazza (talk) 11:22, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I've just realised that you stated "page preview" (which I don't normally use). It seemed to have trouble with the double set of parentheses in the first sentence; which I appear to have unintentionally fixed. Bazza (talk) 11:27, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Creating an article over a redirect to a different person

I'm working on Jesse Lawson, but currently Jesse Lawson is a redirect to a band in which there is a guitarist named Jesse Lawson. Is it fine to just move the article over the redirect when it's ready, or is there something else I should do? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry about doing anything yourself. When you decide to submit the draft for review (using the submission template, which the draft doesn't yet contain) the Reviewer will, if they decide to accept it (which although I'm not a reviewer seems to me likely, it looks good), themself sort out disambiguation and redirect issues as appropriate. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.101.71 (talk) 16:21, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm going to move it to mainspace myself, and I'm a reviewer, and I don't know if it even needs disambiguation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:24, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Nothing of any consequence seems to link to the existing redirect [4], and I don't think there is any policy against moving an article for a clearly notable topic over a redirect for an obscure one. The article just needs a hatnote saying "for Jesse Lawson the guitarist, see Sleeping with Sirens", or something of the sort. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:38, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. That's done. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Are users allowed to delete reasonable comments other users leave on their Talk pages?

Hi there - I have been following a situation on the ThorCon_nuclear_reactor where User:Wickey was wrestling with people over things like having a notice that some of the content came from Citizendium. I went to Wickey's Talk page thinking to leave a comment, and happened to look at its history, where I noted that Wickey seemed to have DELETED two comments left on his Talk page by User:Macquigg (with whom Wickey has been disputing over on the Talk page of ThorCon nuclear reactor). Is this allowed? It seems like Wickey is trying to obscure the fact that they made reckless edits on the ThorCon article including removing the Citizendium license notice without gaining any consensus from other writers. It looks like very bad wiki behavior to me. Can someone please take a look? Wickey's entire enteraction about the Thorcon article seems unnecessarily heated and impolite, and then deleting genuine communications from another user made me personally reluctant to engage with Wickey myself.Harborsparrow (talk) 17:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

WP:OWNTALK, users can remove almost anything they'd like from their talk pages. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Yep. More info at WP:BLANKING. User talk page convo is the first step in WP:CONDUCTDISPUTE; if the user won't engage there, and further dispute resolution is needed, see the policy for next steps. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:51, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, this is helpful. I'll take it then that the user was aware of the content of the messages they deleted and did not want them seen on the Talk page. Good enough. It startled me; in 15 years on here, it's never dawned on me to delete what people put on my Talk page, even if I wasn't best pleased by it. So, good to know.Harborsparrow (talk) 17:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the purpose of a user talk page is to talk to the user. If the user in question has deleted something from their talk page, they must have visited the page to see the comment, and read it. Whether or not they respond, they can be held responsible for having seen the information, so if (for example) they were warned to stop doing something, deleting the warning then obviates them from saying "I didn't see the warning". If they deleted it, they saw it. --Jayron32 18:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Need help

Hi, I need help to categorize templates, it is not easy as I hoped. Can anyone teach me how to categorize templates? - CafeGurrier66 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@CafeGurrier66: I'm no expert in template categorization, but I'd be happy to help. Want to pick one or two and work through them together? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

History merge question

There is a paid editor who created a new article Draft:Switch Mobility using content copied from the article Optare. After a lot of back and forth with this editor on their talk page, my thoughts are that it would be best to merge some of the relevant content from the draft article into the Optare article since they are the same entity, and then request that Optare be moved to article title Switch Mobility to reflect the new name of the company. However, since the paid editor wrote a bunch of new material in the draft article, I understand the history of that article needs to be preserved so I am thinking a history merge would be the way to go (but I could be wrong).

I am not an expert on history merges, so I want to make sure I am doing it correctly. Should I be:

1. Merging the material with an edit summary linking the appropriate revision from which I am getting the material from, and then
2. Requesting a history merge upon completion using {{Histmerge}}?

Please feel free to trout me if there is a completely different procedure I should be using, or if I am missing something really obvious. I just don't want a make a mess. Thank you. Aoi (青い) (talk) 20:13, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Optare is much better written. Draft:Switch Mobility is written in PR-speak. Optare manufactures buses, while Switch Mobility "offers solutions". If there's any relevant content in the draft, you may need to translate it into plain English. Maproom (talk) 20:38, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I definitely can't argue with your view. Maybe it would be better to just move the page without merging, and just updating the article without regard to the draft. That would also make the history merge issue moot. Thanks for your response. Aoi (青い) (talk) 02:32, 22 April 2022 (UTC)