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Paolo Banchero

Why is Paolo Banchero referred to as an American basketball player on the branded card when it shows up on a google search?

Paolo is both an American & Italian citizen and will be playing for Italy internationally. Just like Giannis Antetokounmpo is referred to as a Greek-Nigerian, Paolo Banchero should be referred to as an American-Italian.

By removing Paolo's Italian nationality, you are removing part of his identity. Allan.waterhouse (talk) 00:06, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Allan.waterhouse: Is there a Wikipedia article this refers to? You mention Google search, so this may be another case of information presented by the Google Knowledge Graph, which can present information from mutiple sources in a confusing way. RudolfRed (talk) 00:30, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi RudolfRed, Someone just fixed it. Or it got updated by itself.. Problem solved. Thank you. Allan.waterhouse (talk) 00:42, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Allan.waterhouse: You changed it to American-Italian in the Wikipedia article. We don't control Google. Their Knowledge Graph ("information box") in the upper right corner of many searches is not made by us. Google may copy us with a delay or include information from other sources, often in a way that causes people to incorrectly think it's from Wikipedia (the issue at Template:HD/GKG). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:55, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

I understand. I first changed it yesterday. Must take a few hours to update. There is someone who keeps trying to remove his Italian nationality. Allan.waterhouse (talk) 00:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Can someone put a Pre-emptive protection block on his bio? The Olympic Games offical page quote: Born in Seattle, Washington, on 12th November 2002, Paolo Banchero is an Italian-American who received Italian citizenship in 2020 and was selected for the Italy squad for the EuroBasket 2022 qualifiers, telling FIBA, "Italy gave me a chance I couldn't refuse, to play at the senior level."I'm proud to wear the Azzurri jersey," he added, "I will never forget when I received it for the first time. It is framed in my room. I'm proud to be playing for Italy, and proud about the heritage of my family." Source: https://olympics.com/en/news/who-is-paolo-banchero-italian-american-picked-first-by-orlando-magic-in-2022-nba Allan.waterhouse (talk) 01:04, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Allan.waterhouse: You should discuss it on the article's talk page. Be careful of edit warring. RudolfRed (talk) 01:23, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Allan.waterhouse: Also, you should not be marking your edits as minor. A minor edit is something like fixing a typo. See WP:MINOR for more info. RudolfRed (talk) 01:34, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for telling me. I'm sorry. I won't mark it as minor again. Allan.waterhouse (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Page protection is applied as a response to vandalism or disruptive editing, not preemptively, and not because one editor wants to lock the article to present a particular view, however justified that editor might feel that view is. Please see WP:NO-PREEMPT. ColinFine (talk) 12:11, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Redirecting article to Deaths in 2022

I am struggling to redirect the article entitled "Mihăiţă Niţulescu" to Deaths in 2022. The spelling of the name in the list of Deaths in 2022 was incorect, so I changed it. I suspect the link is broken and needs fixing? Andymcteddybear (talk) 00:40, 10 July 2022 (UTC) Andymcteddybear (talk) 01:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Andymcteddybear: I Fixed the Wikilink to the article by copy pasting the article name to make sure all the special characters are correct. I assume this is what you wanted instead of a redirect. RudolfRed (talk) 01:22, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Andymcteddybear: Diacritics can be tricky. Copy-pasting is the way to go. You had ț instead of ţ. I'm not sure which character is actually most correct here but the article Mihăiţă Niţulescu uses the latter. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:24, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. That's exactly what I wanted. I will copy and paste in future. Andymcteddybear (talk) 07:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I have made a note to cut and paste in future. Andymcteddybear (talk) 07:38, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

And I have edited and moved Mihăiţă Niţulescu so that it is now spelt correctly in Romanian, as Mihăiță Nițulescu, and fixed the link in Deaths in 2022. Thanks for pointing that out Andymcteddybear. --ColinFine (talk) 12:27, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I really appreciate that the link has been fixed too! Andymcteddybear (talk) 12:47, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia should remove movie spoilers

Please consider removing and banning movie spoilers from Wikipedia. They ruin great movies for new generations who haven’t had a chance to see them yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:9591:1120:3895:154F:4EE8:E264 (talk) 03:54, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Please take a look at WP:SPOILER for reference. Plot summaries are considered important part about articles about films and TV programs and it can near be impossible in some cases to know when someone is going to watch a particular film or TV program, or even what they would consider to be a spoiler. My suggestion to you would be to avoid articles of any type (Wikipedia, newspaper, online, etc.) about films and TV shows you want to see until you've actually seen them. When I DVR something I want to watch later like a sporting event, I try to keep myself in a self-imposed media free bubble to avoid finding out the result by mistake beforehand. — Marchjuly (talk) 04:10, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Account varnishing

A good place to start — TNT (talk • she/her) 21:07, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

How do we varnish an account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.96.5.198 (talk) 05:53, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

See the instructions at WP:VANISH. Accounts need to be in good standing to be eligible(i.e. not blocked). 331dot (talk) 06:35, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Or you could try applying 2 coats of polyurethane with a soft brush. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.65 (talk) 20:26, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Publishing a new page

I have written in my sandboxa page about FEMTEC (www.femteconline.org) a federation of 40 countries in the medical sector, therefore a very important contribution.

But now I don't know what to do, Wikipedia information is very poor about publishing:

1) There are other organization with the same name FEMTEC: what should I do?

2) What happens if I click the PUBLISH PAGE button? How the system can know the page title should be FEMTEC? Massimo1940 (talk) 10:30, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Massimo1940 Wikipedia has articles, not pages. "Publish changes" should be interpreted to mean "save changes", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". It is worded that way to emphasize that all edits are public. Your draft was lacking the information to submit it for review, I have added it. (It's provided if you use Articles for creation). Do not worry about the title, if accepted, the review will place it at the proper title. 331dot (talk) 10:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your very helpful note. I believe the words must have a clear meaning: I just wanted to save my article for further improvement and I wasted a day trying to figure out how. So I think that writing "PUBLISH" is a serious communication error. There are many ways to express a concept correctly and without creating confusion: why not write "SAVE A PUBLIC CONTENT"? Massimo1940 (talk) 10:56, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

It used to be called "save" but we ended up with issues regarding load of people not realising that "saving" their edits made them public and anyone would be able to see them, "Publish page" was chosen as an alternative to try to make this clearer. "SAVE A PUBLIC CONTENT" is ungrammatical, also uses non-standard names that aren't in use anywhere else (what is a "public content"?), and too long to go on a button at the bottom of the page - space constraints, especially on mobile devices, limit the amount of text on the button to one or two words. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 12:32, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Massimo1940: Sadly, the word "publish" does have a very specific and clear definition in copyright law, and sadly, the WMF lawyers required that we rename that button to reflect that meaning. "Publish" means "to make available to the public", and you do that in its legal sense when you save anything on this site. It is the term that is used in our "terms of use" that you must agree to to use this site, Whenever you save anything, you are licenseing your copyright in the material to the world under the CC-BY-SA license. -Arch dude (talk) 13:19, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Note that Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about an organization and what it does; any article about this organization must only summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization. Please read Your first article. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

The proposed article contains a significant amount of text copy-pasted from the organisation's website: see WP:COPYOTHERS for why this cannot be accepted. And note also that any claims regarding medical/therapeutic effects of treatment need to be supported by citations to WP:MEDRS-compliant publications. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:59, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Declining a draft

Does it require some more permissions? I am trying to decline one draft but failed. It will be really helpful if anyone could assist me. Thanks. zoglophie 12:03, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Zoglophie You need to be a member of the articles for creation wikiproject and have access to the Articles for creation user scripts to review drafts. For the criteria to become a reviewer see Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants, if you think that you meet those criteria and would like to request access to the tools then put in an request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants. 192.76.8.85 (talk) 12:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for your quick response, 192.76.8.85. zoglophie 12:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Policy on RS when it comes to factuality

Currently involved in an article about a current event where an involved third party not present at the event is making assertions about the details of the event. Some contributors are insisting that the third party's comments be included as long as they are not in the Wikipedia voice and attributed to the third party, while others are contending that because the third party didn't witness the event their assertions cannot be verified and should not be included. I'm aware of WP:RS and WP:VNT I'm wondering if there are other relevant policies in this area since I expect this is something that comes up frequently. WP:NEWSOPED comes to mind but in this case the third party is not a news source.

I'm not asking for anyone to get involved in the specific content dispute (to which I am intentionally not referring) just looking for guidance on other relevant policies in this area.

Thanks for your time and consideration. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:10, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

The help desk is mainly for very basic questions about how Wikipedia works. This inquiry seems more suited for WP:RSN, a dedicated note board for discussing the suitability of specific sources, Beeblebrox (talk) 16:12, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, will cross-post. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:16, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

photo deletion.

I am not happy with the profile photo submitted with out my permission. how do I delete and ad a profile photo of myself I approve? Dcd2 (talk) 18:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Dcd2: Start by abandoning any notion Wikipedia is social media. Second, verify the copyright status of the image, as we do not allow fair-use images of living people on Wikipedia. If you own the copyright outright (note that this is not equivalent to owning a copy of the image) then upload it to Wikimedia Commons. If you do not, have the copyright holder read this page and follow the instructions on it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:03, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

It is NOT a profile photo either, Wikipedia has articles not profiles, which article are you referring to? Theroadislong (talk) 19:06, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

well it would be the only one that comes up ,in its own box, next to the start of the profile about me. sorry, article.

it says, David Carson, above my photo, then captions the photo when it was taken, then list my birth date and place, my nationality "known for".

I would tend to say certainly no article contained in that opening photo box you guys do.

while abandoning any notion of wikipedia as a social media, common sense would dictate the conclusion this as a profile photo- ie a head shot next to the beginning of the article about a person, in its own box.

maybe start by abandoning the notion that Wikipedia articles are somehow not profiles. mine sure is. filled with old and wrong information, and a poorly chosen head shot next to the start of the profile.

it was/is really a pretty simple question. how do I delete the head shot I have permission to delete from the photographer. he said he 'sent a bunch and wikipedia chose there favorite'. im just trying to replace it, with the photographers permission, not debate the terms articles vs profiles. Dcd2 (talk) 22:30, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: David Carson (graphic designer)

@Dcd2: The image in question is hosted on Wikimedia Commons. Funny you should mention "old and wrong information", too - I'm going to be gutting all the unsourced junk out of that article. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:37, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

And with all the unsourced information removed, let's discuss your other bullets.

• "I would tend to say certainly no article contained in that opening photo box you guys do." - The infobox is part of the article and not the entire thing. Strictly speaking, an infobox is not required for an article, and it, too, has to adhere to sourcing requirements - which is why I've removed it completely, image and all.
• "while abandoning any notion of wikipedia as a social media, common sense would dictate the conclusion this as a profile photo- ie a head shot next to the beginning of the article about a person, in its own box." Infobox images are, strictly speaking, not required to be headshots if we're discussing people. There are a fair few of them which are full-body shots taken by photographers at public events. If anything, a plain headshot often raises questions about its provenance, doubly so if it looks professionally-done.
• "maybe start by abandoning the notion that Wikipedia articles are somehow not profiles." "Profile" assumes either a brief, content-free listing of random assortments of trivia or a social media account page. A Wikipedia article should be neither of them - it should be an encyclopaedia article written in prose and based on what news or scholarly sources unconnected to the subject and subjected to rigourous vetting and fact-checking have said, with said sources cited as necessary in the article.
• "...filled with old and wrong information..." Which is why I gutted the article. If it isn't sourced, we must assume it's dead-wrong. We've been burnt by stuff like this before and so we have to be hardcases about sourcing.
• "he said he 'sent a bunch and wikipedia chose there favorite'." If he "sent in a bunch" then all of the ones he sent in should be on Wikimedia Commons if all of them had licensing comparable to what the headshot had (Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike). At that point, any decision on what image to use should have been a matter of choice on the editors' end. (And for what it is worth, the image was changed to the headshot last year - before that, the image used was this one.)
• "im just trying to replace it, with the photographers permission..." You having the permission is completely meaningless, as Wikipedia is the one hosting the content, and the photographer would need to go thru WP:Donating copyrighted materials - which, considering they had managed to get the image uploaded to Commons (and their far stricter image policies) in the first place, begs the question: Did he forget he sent in "a bunch" of images in the first place, or is this a wholly-unnecessary appeal to authority here?

That is my reading of your post and rebuttals to it. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:26, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

thank you for your help. the article in question, tho quite dated, is now much better and accurate. stay well. Dcd2 (talk) 09:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Dcd2, I suggest that you take a selfie, a good picture with you facing the camera and not looking supercilious, wearing shades, etc.; and upload it to Wikimedia Commons, claiming it as your own work and releasing the copyright. Then you can post on the article's talk page, giving a link to the Commons picture, pointing out that it's better than the one in use, and requesting that someone replace that version. Maproom (talk) 19:53, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

thank you! very helpful. Dcd2 (talk) 09:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Blocking or Warning

Hello. I just reverted vandalism on 2022 New York Yankees season. Should the person who made the vandalism be blocked or warned? If so how would this be done? Thanks. Cherrell410 (talk) 21:18, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

If an admin is reading this, they might want to review the range 2601:CD:C581:4040:*. A quick look suggests that all the edits going back to April are unconstructive and there have been several warnings. TSventon (talk) 22:22, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Cherrell410, this seems to be an editor using the /64 range 2601:CD:C581:4040::/64 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). All their edits have been reverted and they have been warned several times about unconstructive editing so I gave them a final warning here. If they continue to edit unconstructively they could be reported at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. TSventon (talk) 06:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Displaying Table of Contents on Mobile Device

When I am viewing a Wikipedia page from a computer using a web browser, the display begins with a table of contents that is constructed from the levels of headings. When I am viewing a Wikipedia page from a Samsung Galaxy mobile device using a web browser, in desktop mode, the display omits the table of contents and starts with the lede section of an article or first entry of a talk page. How do I get it to display the table of contents before displaying the contents of the page? (Please don't tell me that this is a problem with mobile view or with the mobile app. I know. I am already using a web browser, in Desktop mode.) Robert McClenon (talk) 23:53, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: with all web browsers on all PCs I have used for the last 16 years, the lede is displayed first, followed by the table of contents. Your Samsung is acting normally. Your computer's web browser is not. -Arch dude (talk) 02:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, I have been editing Wikipedia on a variety Android smartphones for ten years, almost always using the desktop site. I have never once seen the table of contents displayed before the lead section. Cullen328 (talk) 02:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Cullen328, User:Arch dude. I was mistaken in one detail, and this may have caused confusion, but there still is a problem. It is true that the lede section of an article is displayed before the table of contents on a computer. But the table of contents is not being displayed at all on my Android in desktop mode. So my computer's web browser is acting as you describe. So how do I display a table of contents on a mobile device? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:22, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Is there a preference that I need to set? Is there a Setting on my mobile device that I need to set? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:22, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: If you are using the mobile browser version (i.e. the page address includes .m.wikipedia) then, as Cullen328 states above, there is no table of contents. You already know that you can switch to the desktop version of the page using the "Desktop" link at the bottom of the page, but formatting and layout are less optimal for use on small portrait-oriented devices (the contents list is uselessly small). I suspect this is all legacy stuff, with any sensible improvements to presentation, such as using responsive layouts, getting consistently frustrated by WP bureaucracy. I got fed-up with both versions on mobile devices and have taken to using the Wikipedia Android app for browsing and editing; it has a pinned, swipe-from-right contents list for pages. Bazza (talk) 09:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

I apologize for having been sloppy in saying where the table of contents is on my computer. The issue is that it isn't anywhere on my phone. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:22, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: Safari on my iPhone displays the table of contents on desktop. I don't have a Samsung or Android device. Please always give an example. Does it happen on the article Wikipedia? Is there no small box saying "Contents [show]" right before the "History" section? Does it happen if you are logged out? Does it happen on a safemode link? Is there a "Mobile view" link at the bottom of the page (confirming you are currently on the normal desktop version)? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:37, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Aha! I see the problem. The Table of Contents is collapsed and I missed it. My error. I didnt see the link thing to expand it! Thank you! McClenon mobile (talk) 18:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)