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June 27

Determining Consensus

Hello,

I am interested in helping out with moving pages, but I am worried that I will misjudge consensus at WP:RM. Is there anything that I should look out for when determining consensus at that page? And another question : Would one editor supporting a move until the time elapses be considered a consensus? I am trying to learn how to properly determine the conditions for this policy. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 03:25, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@CollectiveSolidarity: If there are no objections at all after a reasonable time, make the change. This is a logical extension of WP:BRD, wherin you may simply make a change without any previous discussion because a dissenter may revert your change to indicate disagreement. Opening a discussion prior to a change is a good idea for a move, though, because a dissenter has a harder time reversing a move than reverting an edit. -Arch dude (talk) 16:30, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

One Mega Group

Why was my edit of an article removed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Mega_Group — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themissmargaux (talk • contribs) 07:30, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

This edit had a promotional tone and used very unencyclopedic language. There may also be a conflict of interest if you are linked to this company.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:36, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

In addition, a great deal of unsourced content was added, the sources that were used were mostly primary, and a bunch of inappropriate inline external links were inserted in the lede. @Themissmargaux, there are a great many policies you should spend some time getting up to speed on before making such huge changes (especially WP:COI, as mentioned above). 174.21.23.32 (talk) 07:52, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

FYI, the draft you just submitted will not be accepted, for all of the same reasons. 174.21.23.32 (talk) 07:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Why this doesn't change to collapsible?

I tried to copy Template:Montgomery County, Maryland to my user subpage as User:40bus/County templates with minor changes. But it doesn't change to collapsible. Which is wrong? --40bus (talk) 07:47, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@40bus: If you mean why it didn't render at the time of your post then you fixed it with a missing bracket in [1]. If you wonder why it's currently collapsed by default then it's because there are other navboxes on the page. See collapse_state at Template:US county navigation box. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:22, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Very strange formatting issues on Ecocide article

Hi all

I've been doing some work on the Ecocide article and have a very strange issue, when I try to bold the title of the article it doesn't work properly, it ends up italicising the title and making the entire first paragraph. Is there an issue with the template above or something? Have tried both source editor and VE to fix it but neither work.

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 13:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Check the number of single quote marks in that paragraph, and note that you previously included a nowiki closing tag. It's unusual to include a quotation in the WP:LEAD of an article. Bazza (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Publish?

Hi, I'm new as a contributor on Wikipedia. I started with a short text on a new article in my Sandbox. I checked the text and it's now ready to be published in Wikipedia. How can I do this? If I'm in the Sandbox and click on the Publish button, the text does not appear in Wikipedia. Thnx for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MKenter (talk • contribs) 16:18, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, MKenter. Because absolutely everything in Wikipedia is publically visible if you know where to look, the "Save changes" butten was altered a while ago to read "publish". This means "Save it so that it is visible to anybody": it doesn't mean "Make it part of the encyclopaedia". I have added a header to your sandbox, so that you can submit it for review and eventual acceptance into the encyclopaedia. However, please don't hit that button yet, as it is not ready, and that will waste everybody's time.

Please read your first article to understand what is needed in an article. The reason I say that it is not ready is that it has not a single reference independent of the Committee. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If there are few or no such sources, then no article is possible: the jargon for this is that the subject is then not notable.

Please read about notability to understand the minimum requirements on an organisation to be the subject of an article. ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Removing a category from a deleted section

In Category:People who detransitioned, there is under K a "Kiera Bell". This links to a deleted section in Detransition (Detransition#Individual_accounts). How do you remove this? The article itself doesn't have the category listed, except in the see also section. --Roundish ⋆tc) 16:23, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

It was the redirection page itself which was in the category: I have removed that, as unhelpful. ColinFine (talk) 16:46, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I'll check the redirection page next time. Thanks! --Roundish ⋆tc) 16:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I believe that the fact that the item was listed in the category in italics means that it is a redirection page. ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, redirects are automatically shown in italics in categories. For the record, it was Keira Bell and not "Kiera Bell". PrimeHunter (talk) 17:59, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Writing a page for WikiPedia

Hello,

I am the founder of a ministry. There is no information yet about it on Wikipedia. I need to create a page for it. I read a little bit about how to do it but do not believe I'm qualified to write it.

I'm trying to find assistance. Is there someone that could assist with writing a page or does that not exist?

Thank you,

Merryl Moore — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.24.139.194 (talk) 17:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

If this is about God's Closet, I very much doubt that it meets Wikipedia's standards of notability, and is therefore not a suitable subject for an article here. Maproom (talk) 17:40, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Merryl! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you do not have a lot of experience editing existing Wikipedia articles and when you have a conflict of interest (COI). To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and try The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. If you are successful, then you could never edit the article directly due to your COI, but could submit edit requests on the article talk page. Hope this helps. GoingBatty (talk) 17:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Merryl. I'm afraid that "I need to create a page for it" indicates that, like many people , you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. If at some time there is an article about your ministry (rather than a "page for" it), the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, and should be almost entirely based on what people unconnected with your ministry have chosen to publish about it - including any adverse or critical writing as well as approving - not on what you or your associates say or want to say. ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Chah-e articles

Would it be a good idea to nominate all of the "Chah-e village" articles for speedy deletion under criteria G3? For about a year, there's been consensus that many Iranian village articles made by the user Carlossuarez46 are not actually villages. In fact, many of them are gas stations, slaughterhouses, farms, estates, etc. "Chah-e", in particular, almost certainly means "well". So given the translations, these Chah-e articles are almost 100% hoaxes and should be deleted, however I'm not sure if SD is the correct route. --VersaceSpace 🌃 20:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

It would obviously be wrong to G3 those that are not "blatant hoaxes" or "pure vandalism" and I'm not sure any fit into these categories at all. Are there really any G3 candidates? I know nothing about Iranian place names but in English many (nearly all?) places with "well" in the name are not actually wells although they may have been named after where there was once a well. See, for example Bradwell. Thincat (talk) 20:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from, but Chah-e Ali Akbar Shahzehi (well of Ali Akbar Shahzehi) is 100% not on the same level as Bradwell. After reading up on it more, it's definitely inappropriate to G3 these as the suspected hoaxes were not "blatant", but I don't think it's wise to just boil this down to an American equivalent. --VersaceSpace 🌃 21:08, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@VersaceSpace It looks like these need to be deleted, but no one seems to know under what criterion. Non-notable perhaps? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 05:44, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Declined AFC draft bypassed via own page move

Hi all, I'm not sure where to raise this one. The article George Abagnalo is an exact copy of Draft:George Abagnalo, which was declined at AFC due to insufficient notability, by the same creator. I don't know what step to take next, so someone please take care of this. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: I might be wrong, but if you see an article with questionable notability, you can nominate it for deletion. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 21:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Wait! You pinged me, but I didn't get a notification. Some bug? —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@Asilvering: Since you declined the draft, I thought you might be interested in this conversation. GoingBatty (talk) 21:07, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh, sigh. I normally try to do some digging to see if I can't save this kind of article myself when they come up for AfD or get turned down a few times at AfC, but I don't know if I feel terribly inclined to try for this one given the circumstances... Thanks for the ping and I wish the editor luck, but I'll probably sit this one out. -- asilvering (talk) 00:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Abagnalo if interested. -- Hoary (talk) 22:33, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I got a suspected sockpuppet issue with an administrator

This administrator, seems to favor a particular guy who is involved in edit war. Its quite apparent he is engaging in content restriction to favor his business needs. My ongoing dispute wiht this guy was intervened by the administrator LeoFrank, who reverted only my changes.He doesnt seem to follow his own suggestions in talking before acting(reverting). There is also a contradiction in his policy enforcement. While he maintains airport destination cities can't be cited by airline booking engine sources (if you are shocked you are not alone), he adopts an one eye closed approach for similar citings in another airport. While he removes cities that are not cited in one airport page,he reverted my delete of similar uncited cities in the other airport.

If admins collude with users to promote financial interests, Wikipedia is definitely not a place for these folks!!!!

Please help. I am tired of reading through/editing articles on this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mugunthsboa (talk • contribs) 21:12, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

1. LeoFrank is not an administrator. 2. This is a content dispute. You may want to try WP:DISPUTE. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 21:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Jauerback! Will follow through Mugunthsboa (talk) 06:10, 28 June 2022 (UTC)