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December 18

How to remove 'stub' notice

Hello. How can I remove the Stub notice from Ansley, Warwickshire, please? Thanks BJCHK (talk) 01:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

If you're referring to the talk page, you can just edit it the talk page and change the "class". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:06, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed Talk:Ansley, Warwickshire. GoingBatty (talk) 01:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

That article was obviously not a stub. Such articles shuld be upgraded without hesitation by any editor who notices the outdated stub tag. Cullen328 (talk) 04:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@BJCHK: When you kindly remove a stub template from an article that no longer needs it (e.g. this edit), please also update the WikiProject templates on the talk page. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 06:20, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

ماهي مصلحتكم من هذا

نعم 82.151.77.204 (talk) 01:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

This is English Wikipedia, please ask your question in English. We're all volunteers here, we don't get any benefits except psychological satisfaction. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 01:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Google translation: "What is your benefit from this?" GoingBatty (talk) 01:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

What to do about pages with logos that contrast really badly

Sorry if the header doesn't really explain it that well, but if you go to the page Natural News, for example, you'll see that the logo is barely visible, as it's white on a light gray background. What can be done about this? I've seen this on other pages as well, so... LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 01:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@LOOKSQUARE: You could upload a new version of the logo, as I've done for Natural News. GoingBatty (talk) 01:49, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh, one with a background? Thanks, I'll try that if I see something similar elsewhere. LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 11:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Access full Wikipedia on Amazon Alexa

I am visually disabled and used to access full Wikipedia articles on Alexa. Lately I can only access Wikipedia summaries. How can I access full Wikipediais Alexa?

Thanks 2601:645:8A00:7D20:D4DD:E4B9:56ED:1BA0 (talk) 02:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi there! I don't have an Amazon Alexa device. However, I see that Pigsonthewing started a page called Wikipedia:Amazon Alexa, so maybe they can help. GoingBatty (talk) 04:47, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! I will check it out 2601:645:8A00:7D20:E511:DBA:69E8:9A5E (talk) 04:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what to do.

I found a draft with only 2 revisions, and i found it to be a complete copy of this site, now, i would csd g12, but im not really sure if i should, what do i do. Begocci (talk) 10:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

It wouldn't really matter anyway, because it has zero chance of being accepted into article mainspace in this form.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

thank you. Begocci (talk) 10:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Begocc, Ianmacm, as foretold by the redlink above, the draft has been properly G12ed. Current policy forbids copyvio in any namespace, since every namespace is publically visible and technically "published" according to the definition WMF Legal have chosen to understand. Folly Mox (talk) 13:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

thanks Begocci (talk) 14:07, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Edit War

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I've unfortunately found myself embroiled in an edit war on a Wikipedia page. We're in need of arbitration.

Although the page hasn't been reverted, other authors have effectively reverted my thoughtful contributions. I understand where the other authors are coming from, but believe they haven't grasped a broader perspective on the topic. I find the content, as is, extremely biased.

I find this a case of discrimination, as I believe my contributions reported comprehensive philosophical belief. My thoughts are grounded in Harvard University and Oxford University Press, but have been repeatedly dismissed as unreliable sources.

The Wikipedia page is: Social cost of carbon. Problematic authors are @AndyTheGrump and @InformationToKnowledge AidanParkinson (talk) 11:12, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure what help you are seeking, but instead of edit warring, discuss the matter on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 11:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I've had to revert the article I'm afraid.

I don't know what can be done. But the two cited authors are being offensive to me and can't find a space for my different views on a page on which they hold an interest.

I find the editorial environment discriminatory and hostile. 2A02:C7C:382A:4F00:95AA:47A9:C546:123A (talk) 11:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

They've labelled me a "crackpot", a "vandal" and three respected publishers "unreliable": Oxford University Press, Harvard University Press and Fringe Papers 2A02:C7C:382A:4F00:95AA:47A9:C546:123A (talk) 12:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

AidanParkinson, it looks to me as if you're dissatisfied with the way the discussion has been going on within Talk:Social cost of carbon and you're looking for a forum where you might find readers more inclined to agree with you. But this isn't the place. (Indeed, "forum shopping", as it's called, is frowned on.) Please read Wikipedia:Dispute resolution, carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 12:31, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

No, this is incorrect. I'm happy for disagreement, a discussion of any disagreement can be happily included on the page. I just need people to allow reasonable plurality in belief. This means including perspectives when no reasonable critique disqualifies it. This is a core ethical consideration which leads me to be very disappointed with the forums behaviour. AidanParkinson (talk) 12:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

In fact, my edits specifically include the different perspectives on the topic. The problem is that the other hostile editors do not allow such a perspective to be included. AidanParkinson (talk) 12:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Tables

inside table cells, how does one make sure numbers are centre aligned? Tried align=center| but doesn't seem to work....the numbers i want to centre align still end up on the left of the cell. Please can you just tell me in simple language what to do. All the help articles in Wikipedia on this are too complicated. Please can you simply type out what i'm supposed to input to make sure whatever number i put in a table cell stays in the centre.

Cheers ROC7 (talk) 12:18, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Like this, ROC7: | style="text-align:center;" | text -- Hoary (talk) 12:35, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks.

Please note i'm not creating a table, i just want to add some data into an already existing table.

So, let's say i want to input the number 8 into a cell of this already existing table

Is this correct? is this what i type in?

| style="text-align:center;" | 8

or is it

style="text-align:center;" | 8

Please can you clarify.

Many thanks ROC7 (talk) 12:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@ROC7: Help:Table tells you everything you need to know. In this particular case:

style="text-align:center;"

no styling so uses the table default

centred again

Bazza (talk) 13:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

As i've already said, i find that page confusing. I simply want to add data to an already existing table. For example, if i want to add the number 8 to an existing cell, can you please specifically describe how i should type in the info to make sure that number 8 gets centred. Thanks ROC7 (talk) 13:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Look at the source code for the table I inserted above and you'll see how it's done. If you're not able to do manage this, then perhaps you should ask someone else to do it for you. Bazza (talk) 13:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@ROC7, I'd try WP:teahouse, which is specifically for inexperienced editors. Sorry I can't help, I'm dead useless with templates, can barely figure them out myself, but what Bazza is saying is how I usually do it: go look at the source code and try to replicate it. If you break something, you can also go to the article's talk page, open a new section, type {{help}}, and explain the problem. Valereee (talk) 14:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@ROC7: The above replies and most help pages are for the source editor. You usually use VisualEditor which works differently and has many limitations. I don't think it can align table cells. Please say you use VisualEditor when you ask for editing help. Most experienced editors use the source editor and will often give answers for that only. Help:VisualEditor#Getting started: the VisualEditor toolbar mentions a "Switch editor" button near the end of the section. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:28, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Changing account details (password lost)

Hello, I asked a question on 2 November and received some help about this. I have an account which has been active since about 2006, which I am currently logged into on some devices. However, I have lost the password and access to the original email account, and as a result can't change either. A user, PrimeHunter, helpfully suggested that I put a Committed identity on my page to verify my identity, which I have done. He suggested that I apply for a change of email address at phabricator, but I cannot log in there without my password. Is there a way to work around this? I would desperately like to be able to retain access to my account, with an active email. 138.251.244.27 (talk) 15:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

On a device where you are not logged in, you can create another account with the email address you want and use that account at Phabricator. Use the security issue form at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/75/ if you reveal information you don't want to be public. See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry#Alternative account notification. It's important that you remain logged in to your old account until it has a working email address or password. Otherwise the chance of getting your request accepted may drop a lot. Logins are sometimes lost for unknown reasons. As soon as you have a new account, I strongly recommend you make a logged in edit from the old account saying the new account is yours and you will use it to request a password is set for the old account. Then link that edit when you make the Phabricator request from the new account. You may be asked to make more edits from the old account if you can. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you again. 94.174.119.108 (talk) 18:17, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Avoiding funding requests since I am a monthly donor

I have been a monthly donor to Wikimedia for quite some time. Recently, each time I have tried to use Wikipedia either on my desktop or my phone, I have encountered funding requests which I don't know how to suppress (without feeling guilty). I just set up a Wikimedia account to learn how.

Thanks, Mark Huibregtse Mhuibreg (talk) 15:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hiya @Mhuibreg, welcome to Wikipedia! You should be able to do this in your preferences

Preferences → Banners → Fundraising

should do it :D Justiyaya 15:20, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Contents page

On mobile view of the linked page, by default, the heading for Welcome to Wikipedia’s curated content is collapsed by default and I would like to set it so that it isn’t able to be collapsed. I am hoping to get some suggestions on how I would be able to do that. Thank you. Interstellarity (talk) 16:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

"Via Emilia" and "Via Flaminia" pages

Is there a reason why "Via Emilia" is written in italics while "Via Flaminia" isn't? JackkBrown (talk) 16:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

The reason is that Saga City added {{italictitle}} to Via Aemilia in 2011, while Cote d'Azur removed italics from Via Flaminia in 2022. ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine: which is the right thing? Italics or not? JackkBrown (talk) 16:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @JackkBrown: The editors of each article did what they think is best, and likely did not work with each other to discuss the cross-article consistency you desire. In the Via Aemilia article, there are instances of both "Via Aemilia" (with italics) and "Via Aemilia" (without italics) and "Via Emilia" (alternate spelling without italics). Similarly, in the Via Flaminia article, there are instances of both "Via Flaminia" (with italics) and "Via Flaminia" (without italics). You may wish to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Italy to see if they have a guideline about the proper italicization. GoingBatty (talk) 16:41, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: MOS:FOREIGNITALICS, in particular,MOS:BADITALICS, states that a proper name is usually not italicized. But you already know this because you've been directed to those guidelines many times when you've asked similar questions before. Bazza (talk) 16:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Bazza 7: unfortunately, I have my doubts, because it's strange that on such important pages both italics and non-italics are used (as written by User:GoingBatty), completely at random. JackkBrown (talk) 17:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown: You have doubts... about what? There's guidance for you to follow if you wish in the Manual of Style. Many editors have told you that articles are inconsistent because they are written by many people, some of whom choose not to spend time and effort on styling, whilst others do; we are all, including you, at liberty to take the same approach. What's not to comprehend? I don't understand why you keep asking the same questions when people have gone to the effort to provide the same answers in the past. It's tedious. (And, incidentally, the articles you refer to as being of "such importance" aren't.) Bazza (talk) 17:10, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@JackkBrown, please undertake the following exercise: for one of those two articles, click the 'View history' tab, select the 'oldest View' option, note the date when the article was started (Via Emilia in 2004 and Via Flaminia in 2003), and then click through the history to today and count how many different editors have contributed to each article between then and now. Do you really think that all those contributors were paying close attention to maintaining consistent italicisation and other stylistic points?

THAT is why there are inconsistencies within articles, and between different articles. If you find some that bother you, go ahead and change them, and in the unlikely event of someone reverting you, discuss it with them per WP:BRD: by now you know as much if not more about Wikipedia's italicisation guidelines as any other regular responders here, and you are just as capable as anyone of reading the MoS. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 22:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Can also check how many editors at for example [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:01, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

For Pete's sake, how many more times does JackkBrown need to be told? You might think that they "are just as capable as anyone of reading the MoS", but apparently JackkBrown simply isn't. Why doesn't JackkBrown try editing a WP project in their own language, namely, Italian? It would be better for every single editor on WP:en who's attempted to put JackkBrown straight, but all our attempts have been apparently completely pointless and without noticeable result. He even has his own identity on The Daily Mash. MinorProphet (talk) 16:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Infobox for a person

I've started to work on my first article in 10 years. How do I insert the infobox template in the right hand corner. I'm sure the solution will be embarrassingly simple Buster7 (talk) 17:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Buster7: User:Buster7/sandbox-ZedsDead is about a musician so I guess you want {{Infobox musical artist}} and not {{Infobox person}}. See also Wikipedia:Notability (music). I got no Google hits on the name in the opening sentence but discovered it was misspelt. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:17, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Buster7: I suggest you go to Template:Infobox musical artist, scroll down to the "For articles about individuals" section, and copy the infobox code. Then edit your user page and paste it at the top of the page. Populate the parameters that are appropriate for this musician and delete the parameters that you won't use. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter and @GoingBatty Thanks for the help. I'm sure to return for more. Buster7 (talk) 00:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Cherelle Parker Page Updates

Good afternoon,

After making updates to the Cherelle Parker page, I received a notice from Wikipedia that the changes had been undone for copyright reasons. I was hoping to receive more information on what was considered inappropriate. I work for Cherelle Parker and am employed by her transition committee. I have explicit consent from her to make these additions, all of which are backed by well-regarded news sources. Please advise how these changes can be implemented according to Wikipedia's policies.

As always,

John Dolan Jf4dolan (talk) 19:54, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

You are strongly advised not to edit articles you have a conflict of interest for. Moreover, since she is your employer, you are required to disclose a paid conflict of interest where others may see it, such as on your user page, which you have not done.

As for the copyright point: it is possible to license material for use on Wikipedia, especially images, but it is often not preferred regardless to adapt content directly from primary sources, as it can often lack the distance and balance expected for a tertiary source like Wikipedia. If you cannot honestly say your goal is to improve the encyclopedia rather than to promote your employer, we ask you not to edit the encyclopedia

Also, you've removed significant amount of content supported by other sources, I would stress extreme caution with this: you are only allowed to edit this article if you can maintain a truly neutral point of view in your edits. Cheers. Remsense留 20:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC

@Jf4dolan: we do not need and do not want her "explicit consent" for any edits to this article. She does not own the article: it belongs to Wikipedia. See WP:OWN. -Arch dude (talk) 20:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Jf4dolan: Any material that is "published" (e.g., by being placed by you on your web site) is copyrighted by default action of copyright law. Wikipedia cannot allow you (or anyone else) to copy that material into Wikipedia unless there is an explicit written copyright license of the material, because that violates the law. As a matter of Wikipedia policy, we accept material only if the license is as least as permissive as CC-BY-SA. If you add new material here or license old material, you have no control over who can copy the material or what they can do with it, except as described in the license. -Arch dude (talk) 20:32, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the insight. Much appreciated. Jf4dolan (talk) 21:05, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Marlborough College

I added a file - in the History section (old photo) but it is way too big. Please help. Thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 23:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed. Reduced size to 250px. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I removed the explicit size, per MOS:IMAGESIZE. Bazza (talk) 23:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)