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October 12

Draftifying

Found the newly created article [1] Arnold Fornachou on the new page patrol, and despite the fact it's only source is a blog, I think the article has potential. I wanted to draftify the article but couldn't figure out how to. Is this an admin only feature? Industrial Insect (talk) 00:12, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Industrial Insect: I've never tried it, but you should be able to move Arnold Fornachou to Draft:Arnold Fornachou, and then place {{Db-r2}} on the redirect. RudolfRed (talk) 00:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha. Many thanks! Industrial Insect (talk) 00:29, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Industrial Insect: I forgot to mention that you should leave a note on the page creator's talk page letting them know you moved the article to draft. I also found WP:MTD which is a helper script you can use for moving articles to drafts. RudolfRed (talk) 00:40, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Tree chart making

I made a family tree that I wanted to put here (it's on my sandbox). It took way too long to figure out all of the weird stuff like where to put v or ! or . or -. Is there any way to make that faster? Is that a feature in visual editing? If so, please inform.
Here's the tree:

Family tree of monarchs of the Salian Franks
Merovech 411–458 450–458 [1] Childeric I 437–481 458–481 [2] Basina of Thuringia 438–477 Evochildis of Cologne Clovis I 466–511 481–509 [3] Clotilde 474–545 3 others

Doctor Alex (talk · contributions · sandbox) 00:27, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Doctor Alex: I'm not aware of any special features in the VisualEditor to help with {{Tree chart}}, but I suggest you asking at Template talk:Tree chart. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:10, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Phone number

why dont you have a phone numbeer 2603:7080:7202:FAE8:7124:EBBF:57E2:1092 (talk) 00:50, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no central place to call regarding this project, as editors are all over the world. You may ask any questions about Wikipedia here. 331dot (talk) 00:55, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

donation to wikipedia

I would love to contribute but DO NOT use on-line credit card money transfer. I'd mail you a ck but need an address. If this is not possible well, then... 2601:18B:8400:4930:9012:54D8:2BE8:DBD0 (talk) 01:38, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Please see Donating to the Wikimedia Foundation. Paper checks are covered near the bottom of that article. -Arch dude (talk) 01:46, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Viable article? What should it be called?

I want to write about Kristian Bush and a project he did called 52, where he released 4 albums in a year consisting of 52 songs. I don't think the albums individually are notable, but together, and the project overall, definetely are.

Is it possible to combine these four albums into one page as the 52 project? If so, what should I title the article? Is there an existing article similar to this in concept? Panini! • 🥪 03:30, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Panini! There are, for example, articles on series of books, so I don't see a problem with the idea. It will stand or fall on the GNG-merits. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:11, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Panini!: Hi there! I suggest starting first by adding the 52 albums to Kristian Bush discography, and then creating a section about the 52 albums on Kristian Bush. You could then discuss at Talk:Kristian Bush if there are enough sources and material to warrant creating a new article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi!

Hello people, can you assist me with this :–

• a) 2023 BWF World Junior Championships – boys' singles
• b) 2023 BWF World Junior Championships – Boys' singles

.... which of the above is right way? Thankyou. zoglophie^•talk• 09:38, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

None of those. The competition's web site (for the 2022 tournament) appears to refer to "men's" and "women's" "under-19", although only by codes such as MS-U19, WD-U19, etc. Remember that Wikipedia only uses information provided by reliable sources. Bazza (talk) 09:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Bazza 7: this is for the naming of title which is currently under 2023 BWF World Junior Championships – Boys' singles and has been like this for the previous years as well.

But one user has alleged that this violates MOS:SENTENCECAPS, so their suggestion is to move this title to 2023 BWF World Junior Championships – boys' singles which will disturb the uniformity with previous editions. zoglophie^•talk• 10:02, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Zoglophie and Stvbastian: Badminton articles always use the "Boys' singles" format.[2][3] Don't move articles against an established convention without discussion. If somebody wants to change the convention and move 500+ articles then they can start a requested move advertised at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Badminton. Don't move a few articles and create inconsistent naming. Tennis chose the "Boys' singles" format at Talk:1912 World Hard Court Championships – Mixed doubles#Requested move 8 January 2022. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks for clarity for the OP. This subject is not my cup of tea at all, but it's unusual that terminology which isn't sourced is being used for articles' titles and text. The 2022 results (the latest available) use "M" or "W" for gender, and U19 to signify it's not the grown-up version. I couldn't find a style manual in WP:BADMINTON stating that "boy" and "girl" have to be uses; that page itself used "Under-19". The Badminton World Federation article uses "junior", and BWF World Junior Ranking "men" and "women"; not a "boy" or "girl" in sight anywhere. Bazza (talk) 11:08, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources don't have to be official. Many reliable sources say boys/girls but I don't know the most common name. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

This whole megillah is currently the subject of discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#RfC on capitalization after a colon or dash. I'd recommend not doing anything with capitalization in such titles until that RfC is closed. Deor (talk) 12:45, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

And at the normal rate for such RFCs I don't expect a result until the whole Megillah is actually read. (March 23 in 2024).Naraht (talk) 17:28, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Getting a Backlink for an external site

Is there a way to get a backlink for an external website. I only want a single backlink Shubham02092003 (talk) 10:19, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

What you 'want' (as apparent from your editing history), and what Wikipedia permits are two entirely different things. You will have to promote your website elsewhere. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

OP now indeffed for promotion. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:24, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Some help fixing a page with strange information?

Hi, I figured it would be a good idea to open a ticket instead of trying to make edits that’ll be reverted. The page Bride of Christ currently reflects some reeaally fringe Christian theology from the God the Mother Cult. This belief didn’t exist until the 80s and without getting into whose beliefs are valid are not, they aren’t mainstream. The edits that shifted it in that direction are mostly from Sept. 1. Any help would be appreciated, even if it means telling me to just settle down about it. Hopefully someone is familiar enough with the very basics of theology to understand why the current state of the article is foreign to most Christians. Thanks for your help! AndrewDaTh (talk) 12:04, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@AndrewDaTh: Hi there! The best place to discuss edits to the Bride of Christ article is its associated talk page: Talk:Bride of Christ. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:02, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@AndrewDaTh: The September changes were unsourced so I have reverted them and explained why on the talk page. I don't know why Materialscientist reverted your changes, perhaps it was because you didn't mention that the information was unsourced. TSventon (talk) 16:04, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Headings formatting help needed

Hi all

I'm working on a help/guidance page for outreach and I'm struggling with some of the formatting. I want to make each box of information a heading so that I can create a custom Table of Contents at the top of the page which links to individual sections. However using == title == completely breaks the formatting of the page, I also tried <h2> title </h2> but that still messes with the formatting. Is there any way to assign a section of text as a heading without it changing how the text looks? I basically want to make where it says 'title' below into a section heading without it changing the way the text looks.

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 13:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

You can insert an 'invisible' title using code like

===<span style="color:#ffffff">Title here</span>===

This will...

• colour the 'Title here' text white
• create an entry 'Title here' in the ToC
• cause the [edit source] link to appear next to the 'Title here' (which will take up the usual space for that text, so the [edit source] will not be at the left margin)
• show up as white text if the background is coloured (eg dark mode? or any custom background for accessibility)

...but it is a start. You could also shrink the font so [edit source] is further left.

But on the whole, I would suggest it is a bad idea to try to change that level of formatting, as it is likely to break or cause problems with different skins, screen readers, accessibility aids and so on. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 13:57, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, I found a solution, you assign some text as a heading using <h3> but then you assign a style to it, I fixed the example below to demonstrate. Hope this helps someone at some point :) John Cummings (talk) 14:41, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Title Body text

Add Company/Create Page

Hello, I have been delegated a task to Add a company and create a page. How do I do this? Thanks in advance, Kristi. 2600:6C4A:2100:18:5C9F:F60B:2CB4:E589 (talk) 15:15, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

First you read WP:PAID and make sure you're in line with it going forward. This will be easier if you create an account. Second, carefully read and follow the instructions at Help:Your first article. Your major hurdle will be establishing that this company is notable by Wikipedia's standards (WP:NORG lays out all the details). 57.140.16.56 (talk) 15:36, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

If you're an employee who's been told to do this by your manager, then you should also read WP:BOSS. Bazza (talk) 16:22, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

In addition to what everyone else said (though this is basically just what wp:BOSS says), basically, find at least two or three sources that

1. are completely independent of you or your company (so no press releases, interviews, ...),
2. are secondary (one step removed from whatever it's trying to justify: so for example you can't claim your company was endorsed by celebrity X on Twitter and then cite that to their tweet);
3. are from reliable sources (so we don't care what The Sun says about your company. No, really, we don't.),
4. actually discuss your company in substantial depth, (It doesn't need to necessarily be the sole focus of the source, but it definitely needs to be more than just one or two paragraphs.),
5. aren't just run-of-the-mill coverage (so the standard tiny burst of coverage that you're holding your annual career fair again does not count), and
6. are from national or international sources.

If you can't find those, then you need to return to your boss and say it can't be done, because anything you write without those will ultimately just get deleted.

Otherwise, if you can find those, you then need to write your article solely based around what those sources say. You cannot add what you personally know to be true but isn't mentioned in the sources, because everything on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable. Everything on Wikipedia also needs to be from a neutral point of view, so if you discuss your company non-neutrally (throwing in words about how great it is, etc.) the entire article will be swiftly deleted with extreme prejudice.

(In case you couldn't tell, this website isn't terribly happy with company-paid editors, because fundamentally we're an encyclopedia and not an advertising billboard. So don't treat this website like one.) 2603:8001:4542:28FB:4487:B54E:7615:4938 (talk) 16:45, 12 October 2023 (UTC) (Please send talk page messages here instead)

How do I publish my own article

please help me Mtati ovuyonke (talk) 18:17, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Mtati ovuyonke If you are referring to your user page, it is "published" in that people looking for it can see it. It is not an encyclopedia article, but a place to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia user. New accounts cannot directly create articles and need to use Articles for Creation. Autobiographical articles are highly discouraged, see the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 18:23, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@Mtati ovuyonke: See also: Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 19:35, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Request: please can someone copy Template:Flex columns to Meta?

Hi all

I'm trying to use Template:Flex columns some help pages and my user page which will appear on Wikipedia and Meta. However the template doesn't exist on Meta yet. It uses some other templates and I don't want to try to do it and make a mess I have to ask someone else to clear up, can I request someone else please copy it over for me? It will be really useful for creating documentation. I know this is a request for Meta fom Wikipedia but there are very few people who look at the notice boards there.

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 19:44, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

@John Cummings: Hi there! I suggest asking at Template talk:Flex columns. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I considered that but since its only had two messages on there in 5 years I doubt anyone will see it. John Cummings (talk) 08:45, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

How to make a page

I want to make a wiki page about my friend. 76.133.170.254 (talk) 23:56, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:02, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Also have your friend read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. GoingBatty (talk) 01:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Also read WP:BACKWARD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:25, 13 October 2023 (UTC)