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October 31

Fix the reference of Team Finland 1998 Women's Ice Hockey

I need your help to fix the right corrections of Team Finland in the Women's Ice Hockey rosters for the 1998 Olympic Winter Games. 108.21.67.83 (talk) 06:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Ice hockey at the 1998 Winter Olympics – Women's team rosters § Finland Tollens (talk) 06:02, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. 108.21.67.83 (talk) 06:05, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed. Looks like the archive date in the reference did not match the date that the URL specified. Tollens (talk) 06:05, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Circular categories

Just curious, is there any guideline regarding circular categories? I thought that the category hierarchy would strictly be a DAG, then I found that Category:Probability and Category:Probability theory contain each other. Stormraiser (talk) 07:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I thought so too, Stormraiser, but I lack the energy to look for some proscription. In your place, I'd ask this question at Wikipedia talk:Categorization. -- Hoary (talk) 07:27, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

It's... not even close to acyclic. WP:Category cycles handily redirects to User:SDZeroBot/Category cycles, which doesn't seem to have been updated in some time. —Cryptic 09:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Well... reading that list made me realize that proper categorization is hopelessly difficult... Stormraiser (talk) 10:19, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

WP:CAT#TREE is enough of what you mean, right? Remsense聊 21:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

A talk page with no corresponding article -- how to delete

Back in 2016 there was a small flurry of page renaming, initiated by the boldness of a well-intentioned but mistaken editor. I was aware of this, but not involved (though I did comment on the talk page that the initial move should be undone). I realized just yesterday that, as a result, we have since then had a talk page, Talk:Center City West, Philadelphia, that has no corresponsing article. (Center City West, Philadelphia redirects to Center City, Philadelphia.)

How can we get rid of this orphaned talk page? TypoBoy (talk) 13:18, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@TypoBoy, G8 of the speedy deletion criteria is for Talk pages with no corresponding subject page (among other things). 57.140.16.15 (talk) 13:59, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

(ec) I've gone ahead and deleted the talk page (though I thought about redirecting it to Talk:Penn Center, Philadelphia, which is where the article was before the move to Center City West), In the future, you can tag such unattached talk pages for G8 speedy deletion. Deor (talk) 14:13, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Deor: Please undelete it and redirect it to Talk:Penn Center, Philadelphia. I don't believe G8 covers talk pages of redirects (or move redirects to a talk page, which is what this title should have become when the article was moved, as with Talk:Penn Center, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, which is still redirected to this deleted title). SilverLocust 💬 14:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@SilverLocust: There's nothing in the history of Talk:Center City West, Philadelphia that needs to be preserved, and redirecting to Talk:Penn Center, Philadelphia doesn't seem useful, since Center City West, Philadelphia redirects to Center City, Philadelphia, not to Penn Center, Philadelphia. I don't understand why you think G8 doesn't apply in this case; could you clarify your comment? Deor (talk) 15:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Deor: The article's move history is

Penn Center, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania → Penn Center, Philadelphia → Center City West, Philadelphia → Penn Center, Philadelphia.

If the talk page had been moved correct, it would have been

Talk:Penn Center, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania → Talk:Penn Center, Philadelphia → Talk:Center City West, Philadelphia → Talk:Penn Center, Philadelphia.

All of those titles should be kept as redirects to the current title. I'm not saying the history was extensive, but that Talk:Center City West, Philadelphia wasn't "dependent on a non-existent or deleted page" (WP:G8). If I recall correctly, it had a couple comments from TypoBoy and a content assessment from some other editor. SilverLocust 💬 16:19, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

OK,  Done. Deor (talk) 16:27, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, folks! TypoBoy (talk) 18:54, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Green Day discography section

Hi, I was just adding some more albums to the discography. Is this list only for the studio albums? APPLE JUCE (talk) 15:18, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Please use the article talk page, Talk:Green Day, to address concerns about your edits to the Green Day article. This way the other editors who follow that article will see it. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@APPLE JUCE: It seems the short list in the article Green Day is just studio albums. Rather than expand that section, you should add anything that is missing to Green Day discography. RudolfRed (talk) 15:23, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@APPLE JUCE: See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines#Discography section. GoingBatty (talk) 20:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Chinese Politburo Articles

In recent months one user (TheUzbek) appears to have taken it upon himself to gut the various individual Politburo of the Chinese Communist Party articles (i.e. 18th Politburo of the Chinese Communist Party, 19th Politburo of the Chinese Communist Party...) and move all mention and discussion of the respective Politburos' standing committees to articles entirely about those PSCs beyond a note of how many members each PSC had. I attempted to restore indication of just which members of the 20th Politburo served on its PSC and he quickly reverted me saying there was no reason for this. I differ vehemently as I think it makes one much less informed about the internal structure of the Politburo about which one is reading. I don't know whether discussion of this policy has already taken place and his campaign greenlighted by some broader project, or whether proposing reconsideration of this would have to be scattered among the individual affected articles or centered in the generic Politburo article or some other CCP structure article's talk page. But it affects many articles and I thought I'd ask here. 71.105.190.227 (talk) 16:37, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

If you have discussed this on the article talk page and failed to reach a consensus, you should move to dispute resolution processes. 331dot (talk) 16:39, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Changing the Title of an Article

Is there a way to "change or correct" the Title of an article? Specifically, the Page or article about Allexey Von Schmidt mis-spells his first name as "Alexey". However, throughout the article, his first name is spelled correctly as "Allexey." 172.56.209.68 (talk) 17:43, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Changing the title of an article requires, in Wikipedia jargon, a page move. If you think this move will be completely uncontroversial(i.e. just fixing a typo), you may request it at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 17:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Some sources in the article have it as Allexey, others as Alexey. See https://sierrawave.net/join-fecm-for-annual-meeting-in-independence/ for the first, https://thetahoeweekly.com/2019/09/the-california-nevada-border-war/ or https://juliacbulette.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/The-Colorful-History-of-the-California-Nevada-State-Boundary.pdf for the second. I'd suggest discussion on the talk page at page at Talk:Alexey W. Von Schmidt , of course a bigger issue is that the article is half about him and half about the boundary marker, to the point where the short description is about the Boundary Marker!Naraht (talk) 17:57, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Krist Novoselic website links to virus

When you look up Krist on a web browser, under his name comes novoselic.com BUT that actually links to a scam page and NOT novoselic.com. What they did was use the text novoselic.com but linked that text somewhere else NotQualified (talk) 18:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@NotQualified, are you referring to something that you see on the search engine page or actually in the Wikipedia article? We only have control of one of those things here, not the other. 57.140.16.15 (talk) 19:40, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

search engine page connected to the wiki NotQualified (talk) 21:11, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

No website at all appears when I search for Krist Novoselic using the built-in Wikipedia search function, just the short description. However, I see that your edits are tagged Mobile edit, Mobile web edit - perhaps this is a mobile feature? Someone else using that software might want to give searching a try. I couldn't find any link in the article which was redirecting to a different site. 57.140.16.15 (talk) 22:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@NotQualified: Wikipedia's search engine page for Krist Novoselic is [1] for our desktop site and [2] for our mobile site. They only link to the article and don't mention novoselic.com. I suspect you mean something else but I don't know what. Please post a link to the search engine page you refer to. If possible, also try it in another browser or on another computer or device. The problem may be at your end. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I looked it up on Chrome on my phone, type novoselic wikipedia and youll see a description, a photo, and all of his social media handles (including a website) NotQualified (talk) 03:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

User:NotQualified, sounds like what you've got there is a "Google knowledge panel" or maybe they're called "Google snippets" now. Interestingly, I just verified DuckDuckGo has a similar thing, which also links novoselic.com, which appears to have been usurped by a garbage malware entity. Folly Mox (talk) 05:04, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

wait did we get viruses by just clicking it or? NotQualified (talk) 10:34, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Nah we're on our phones. Phone operating systems are pretty good at not letting websites install arbitrary pieces of software without asking for user permission. You were the one who brought up viruses though; I didn't wait for the usurping page to load once I verified novoselic.com redirects to another site. For all I know it could just be selling gambling or cryptocurrency or whatever it is those horrible places do once they've snatched up a lapsed domain name. Folly Mox (talk) 11:57, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

@NotQualified: It sounds like you are not making searches here at wikipedia.org but at some unknown external search engine. There are hundreds or thousands of them. I asked "Please post a link to the search engine page you refer to", but you didn't. Maybe your Chrome installation has a default search engine but I cannot say what it is. I have tried several search engines including Google but none of them gave the result you mention. Wherever you see it, it's almost certainly not a site controlled by Wikipedia although the site may display some content they copied from Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:32, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

how do i reply with a screenshot? NotQualified (talk) 23:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I was about to change the citation templates on the three mainspace articles that link novoselic.com to |url-status=usurped, but it looks like the usurpation has been undone and the site no longer redirects to spammy trash. Folly Mox (talk) 00:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

was that due to my edit? i tried somrtbing a few days ago NotQualified (talk) 02:43, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I need information on the second Mayor of Lagos Nigeria from 1950-1953, Sir Emmanuel Augustus Oluyele Bright.

I need information on the second Mayor of Lagos Nigeria from 1950-1953, Sir Emmanuel Augustus Oluyele Bright. 64.113.98.33 (talk) 18:57, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, this helpdesk is for questions about Wikipedia, which doesn't seem to have any further information on the subject. You could try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities for more general questions. TSventon (talk) 19:31, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

IP editor: He is mentioned in the biography Abubakar Olorun-Nimbe, which confusingly says that Olorun-Nimbe was the first and only Mayor of Lagos, despite having Bright mentioned as his successor! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

List of countries with universal health care

Why does South Africa not appear as one of the countries in Africa that offer universal health care to it's citizens? As a Soutn African I know that the state has governement run hospitals and clinics that offer free medical services and medication. Sizomgubuli (talk) 20:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I would suggest that you discuss your concern on the talk page associated with that article, Talk:List of countries with universal health care, where the editors that follow that article will see it. 331dot (talk) 21:01, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Note that a country having public health facilities doesn't necessarily mean it has universal health care; the US has many public health facilities but not universal health care. If you have independent reliable sources that claim South Africa has universal health care, please offer them on the talk page. 331dot (talk) 21:02, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Changed URL

Hello! I was reading this when I noticed that the URL www.wikipediaweekly.org leads to a rather strange place. I don't know what has happened when but I'd thought I'd tell. - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:24, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Looks like whatever happened, happened sometime after July 9. Tollens (talk) 23:41, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what the best/easiest solution is – maybe to swap all links to archived ones? There are a lot, though, so I'm not sure. Tollens (talk) 23:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Here goes. EPEAviator (talk) 01:11, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that, EPEAviator – there are hundreds more in subpages of that page which is primarily what I was talking about in terms of there being a lot of links, though they might get few enough pageviews that it isn't really a big deal? Tollens (talk) 01:39, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I had not remembered the subpages, but I even clicked on one and was like "oh, this isn't some gambling site, great!" doh... it seems like a task for a very rainy day or perhaps a bot might be designed to do this kind of thing? It seems there is a business in buying unrenewed links with some amount of traffic, which makes me think this isn't the only place this thing occurs. EPEAviator (talk) 01:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Seems like you're looking for WP:URLREQ. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Now added to WP:JUDI. Tollens (talk) 12:57, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

How do I create an inline citation link?

Good Evening! I am new to the Wikipedia forum and would like to know how to create the inline citation link that numbers my citations as well as the source urls? Justinkimes1986 (talk) 23:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Justinkimes1986: Welcome, and thanks for citing your sources. Check out WP:REFB for a good guide on how to get started. RudolfRed (talk) 23:38, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

@Justinkimes1986 You can also try WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:59, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @RudolfRed and @Gråbergs Gråa Sång Justinkimes1986 (talk) 03:01, 1 November 2023 (UTC)