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January 19

Indenture issue at AFD

There seems to be an issue with indenture at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2024_January_15#Source_table_of_these_six_sources. Is there a simple way to fix this? If not, at what venue should this be presented? --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:05, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: I believe it's fixed now ­– I assume you're referring to indentation, not indenture. Reducing the heading levels to be at least as low as their parent headers fixes the issue in this case. Tollens (talk) 00:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

(moving an article)

I am trying to move an article about track and field coach Art Venegas. I placed it in the sandbox, and I am trying to move it into another platform for review. I feel ridiculous, but I'm pretty old and very analog. Will someone please help this aging Luddite out? Eric-Dieter (talk) 01:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Eric-Dieter, the draft was moved a few days ago and is now at Draft:Art Venegas. There is a button you can press to request a review, but there are some questions about the references at the top of the page which you should look at first. Come back if you have more questions. TSventon (talk) 02:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

How do I exclude certain accounts (i.e. bots) from my watchlist?

As above. I watch a lot of pages I have created and mass-editing efforts such as WP:PIQA are very valuable but make it difficult to discern content additions from small automated edits. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 07:27, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Vrxces: While I don't believe there is a way to exclude any particular account, there are some filters you might find useful – if you click the "Filter changes" box, you should be able to scroll down to "Human (not bot)", which if enabled will only show non-bot edits. You might also want to enable "Non-minor edits" in that same filters dropdown. Tollens (talk) 07:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks for your help :) ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Vrxces: Hi there! There are some other options being discussed at Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard#Flooding watchlists. GoingBatty (talk) 15:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Page views for a single article from a particular country?

Hello,

Is there a way I can find the approximate page views by humans from Turkey for the English article Electric car please, for example for last month or last year? Chidgk1 (talk) 09:52, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think so, because the Pageviews analysis tool by MusikAnimal does not list this as one of the features.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:07, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know this is not possible. There's a tool to see the pageviews of Electric car and its equivalent pages across all languages (here), where you can see that en.wiki accounts for about 1/4 of the pageviews across the 76 wikis which have an article, and the tr.wiki article got less than 10% of the number of views the en.wiki article did, but as far as I can work out there's no way to break down the en.wiki article's pageviews except for between desktop, mobile browser, and app views.

You can see how many pageviews en.wiki in general got from any particular country in a specific month here, but Turkey seems to be one of the countries excluded from the dataset "for privacy reasons". Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for quick reply. For anyone else reading this for general info click on a country at https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/animations/wivivi/wivivi.html Chidgk1 (talk) 10:20, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Duh sorry that has not been updated since 2018 Chidgk1 (talk) 10:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I have asked about general info at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T355404 Chidgk1 (talk) 10:41, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

As of very recently, the data is published, but not yet available in the Pageviews API, and thus can't be surfaced on Pageviews Analysis. I am told we can expect that new API to go live in the coming months, so stay tuned :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:28, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Hemolytic–uremic syndrome

Reference help requested. I do not understand what is the error exactly, so I couldn't fix it, please help me who to fix it. Thanks Thanks, Mostafa Elbaba (talk) 11:09, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Mostbaba The edit you linked was made last August and fixed later on so the article now is fine. The main problem was that you had put the URL external link into the |date parameter instead of the |URL one. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

May thanks for clarification and prompt response. I do understant now. Mostafa Elbaba (talk) 11:20, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Mostbaba: In case it helps, here's a link to the edit where the references were fixed. GoingBatty (talk) 14:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

How to know if my wikipedia article has been removed?

And how to improve it Singh Ena (talk) 14:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

We are not mind readers. You will have to provide an article name, or some other means to figure out what you are referring to. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

The article was about a politician of Nepal and his name is Ujawal Jha. I wanted to do some edits but i am unable to find it. Can you please help me out? Singh Ena (talk) 14:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Singh Ena The article was deleted after this discussion, it seems like it had a history of problematic editing. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

You also had a draft in your sandbox, User:Singh Ena/sandbox, which was deleted as blatant promotion. 331dot (talk) 14:49, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Photo copyright

I have added a whole new 'personal life' section to a page (created by someone else) about a relative of mine, who was a cricketer of note in the early 1920s. I have a few selected photos (family heirlooms) that I believe would be helpful to readers: a professional portrait photo dated 1917 (in soldier's uniform), another dated 1920 (in cricketing clothes), one copyright "Sports Pictures", and one that I suspect was taken for Essex County Cricket Club in 1921. None was taken by me (they are all more than 100 years old!); but I very much doubt whether the original copyright holders could be traced now or even still exist. Are they now out of copyright by virtue of their age? Or do they become my copyright if I photograph the photographs before uploading them? Or will they remain for ever unusable? I'd be grateful for some guidance. Gangnam Woodford (talk) 16:27, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gangnam Woodford, there's one problem with your addition - you didn't cite any sources. That's understandable, since most of the rest of the article doesn't cite any sources either, but this is actually an issue (and I've added a maintenance tag about it). Where did you get the information about his personal life? Has it been published somewhere or are you just drawing on family lore? 57.140.16.1 (talk) 17:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I wholly respect the point about source citations: I use them extensively in the historical narratives I write. I just wondered whether, as I actually knew the person in question (he was my great-uncle; he gave me tickets to Lords; I visited his house; and I knew all his siblings), my personal acquaintance as a family member might make citations unnecessary. But I will willingly try to track down his official records. Gangnam Woodford (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gangnam Woodford, in a way it makes citations more necessary, since you have something of a conflict of interest here. I highly recommend reading the page I linked, and you might want to consider making edit requests on the talk page rather than editing the article directly, since that's the recommended practice for folks who are connected in some very direct way to article subjects. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 23:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I've added 12 citations Gangnam Woodford (talk) 17:28, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@Gangnam Woodford: No, copyright is not eternal. Duration varies by country. See List of countries' copyright lengths. You can almost certainly justify your specific examples under the UK's "author unknown" category, which is a 70-year expiry. But you must explicitly explain this for each upload. If you make a non-creative copy, you are not adding any creative elements and you have nothing to copyright. If you include an image of a photo in another work (e.g., a collage or an interpretation of some sort) then your work is a "derived work" in which you own the copyright, but the copyright of the original photo is not affected: if it was Public domain, your derived work is all yours, and if it was copyrighted, you must adhere to its copyright (e.g., by getting a license to use it from the copyright holder). -Arch dude (talk) 18:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Very helpful. Gangnam Woodford (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I've uploaded a single photo, and provided a ful explanation of why it meets all the required criteria. Gangnam Woodford (talk) 17:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Gangnam Woodford you have uploaded File:George Louden, 1920s.jpg to Wikipedia as a copyrighted image, however it may be possible to upload it to Wikimedia Commons as public domain image. Sport Pictures of Temple Chambers seems to have been a magazine, see here, so the author of the image still seems to be unknown. Sport Pictures became Sports Pictures in 1923, see here. TSventon (talk) 18:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I've tried to upload it to Wikipedia Commons, but without success: "incompatible"! Gangnam Woodford (talk) 18:55, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

That is because you flagged it as a copyrighted, non-free work rather than a free work when you uploaded it. That would need to be updated, you could ask how to do that at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, which is a more specialist venue. Or you could leave it as it is. TSventon (talk) 19:17, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I think I'll leave it as it is, to play safe. Gangnam Woodford (talk) 09:18, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

(misplaced?)

Q-bit array (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) contributers total genocyd. Reason of stop growing russian wikipedia. Prevents the presentation of refutations and evidence in articles lacking a factual basis. Onekit (talk) 18:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Onekit, that person has not edited English Wikipedia since May of last year. If you are having issues on other versions of Wikipedia, complaining here on English Wikipedia will not accomplish anything. English Wikipedia is not the "boss" of other versions. For complaints about user behavior here on English Wikipedia, you should use WP:ANI. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 18:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Neutral word/phrase for promiscuous

I'm currently working on the article for Hart Crane and the sentence In 1925, he briefly lived with Caroline Gordon and Allen Tate until they were unable to endure the disruptions caused by his promiscuous lifestyle. None of the synonyms Google gives me seem any better and phrases like "heavily sexual" just feel clunky. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 19:27, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Novo Tape: What's wrong with promiscuous? OED defines it as undiscriminating in sexual relations. If that was he was, then it's the right word. Bazza (talk) 19:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Novo Tape, after checking an online thesaurus, it may be that promiscuous is the most neutral word. Cullen328 (talk) 20:05, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I think the bigger issue here might be that the source doesn't quite support Crane's promiscuity as being the cause of the end of that living arrangement. The "chaotic disruptions" could be referring to casual sex, or alcohol use, or violence, all of which were previously mentioned. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:21, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you to everyone who commented. I've found a more in-depth source that allows more specificity and nullifies the topic of discussion. I apologize for taking up everyone's time. Sincerely, Novo Tape^{My Talk Page} 22:24, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Temporary Password

I am User:Wxao Zesty, I am requesting for a temporary password to my email, since the last one did not go through. 216.176.69.228 (talk) 19:55, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:User account security carefully. Are you sure that you are checking the specific email address that you linked to your Wikipedia account? Cullen328 (talk) 20:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes. 216.176.69.228 (talk) 20:36, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

article submission

How do I find my draft? I know it has been read because, somehow, I found my draft with the comments of the editor. I don't know how I did it and now I cannot find it. Boat Scherzo (talk) 19:57, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Boat Scherzo, your account has no edits to any draft. Have you been editing under an IP address? Do you remember the name of the draft? 57.140.16.1 (talk) 20:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

The draft is titled "Anna Istomina" Boat Scherzo (talk) 22:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Boat Scherzo, here's a link to it for you: Draft:Anna Istomina. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 23:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Trying to eliminate a copyright problem

The article Ethiopian Manifesto was flagged for copyright violation. I have rewritten the section in question. Please note that what I have newly written does not show up unless you enter edit mode. I'd like to know if the rewriting I did has solved the problem. deisenbe (talk) 18:25, 19 January 2024 (UTC) deisenbe (talk) 20:45, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Deisenbe:the copyvio template hides the material suspected of copyright problems. The template copyvio/bottom marks the end of the problematic content, but you have removed that in one of your edits so most of the content is still hidden. If you put back the copyvio/bottom template then material below that will show up. RudolfRed (talk) 21:21, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't know how to do this and would appreciate it if someone could do this for me, and then tell me if what I have written solves the problem. deisenbe (talk) 22:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: You may have already seen that the copyvio material has been removed. When you continue to work on the article, you can change the incorrect external link in the "Text of the Manifesto" section to an appropriate reference. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Profile

how to import Photo Ailiana Ai Boxer and Model (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ailiana Ai Boxer and Model, uploading a photo is the least of your problems at the moment. You are putting inappropriately promotional, poorly sourced content on your user page, which is therefore being repeatedly deleted. Are you attempting to write an article about yourself? Please read this carefully before you continue. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 21:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

User has been blocked. GoingBatty (talk) 02:27, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

How do you create an article?

I want to write my own articles but like I cant figure out how to create a new article. Can somebody help me?? WhackoSacco47 (talk) 21:09, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@WhackoSacco47, detailed instructions are at Help:Your first article. The very first and most important thing you should do is look for reliable sources covering the subject you want to write about. If you can find a few, then you should go ahead with writing an article based on the sources - this will save you a lot of time and headaches in the long run. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 21:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

WhackoSacco47 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and diving right in without experience and knowledge can lead to frustration. I would suggest that you first gain experience by editing existing articles in areas that interest you- we have millions of articles that need help. Using the new user tutorial is also helpful. If you still want to create a new article now, you may use the article wizard after doing as the IP user states above. 331dot (talk) 21:16, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, but my question how do I create an article. Like how do I get to a blank article that I can edit? WhackoSacco47 (talk) 21:24, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@WhackoSacco47, use the article wizard, as explained at the pages you've been linked to. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

If you simply want a blank page to mess around with, you could create User:WhackoSacco47/sandbox by simply clicking that link and publishing an edit. But keep in mind that you should use your sandbox to practice editing, not for stuff unrelated to Wikipedia. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@WhackoSacco47 See the message I just left on your talk page. Best regards... -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:32, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Amir Tsarfati

Where did he go? Redbiscuit51 (talk) 21:56, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Redbiscuit51: Hello! The article was deleted as a result of this discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amir Tsarfati. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 22:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

A draft is being worked on at Draft:Amir Tsarfati, but it's not very promising. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 22:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

This person seems to be coming up a lot recently. Interesting. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 22:09, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

He recently posted on his social media about his article being deleted. Squeakachu (talk) 23:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah. Well, if he ever does get news coverage, I suppose at the very least his theories could be added to our various lists of End Times predictions. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 23:41, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Broken links

Several weeks ago I linked the personality Amir Tsarfati page to my blog. Today that link is broken. Searching both Google and Wikipedia I cannot find any page for this person. I find it troubling that pages of knowledge (or at least information) just vanish. What is happening? Is this common? Bjazmoore (talk) 22:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

@Bjazmoore, see the discussion immediately above yours for a link to the deletion discussion. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 22:01, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Unable to log in

After 10-plus years of regularly contributing, a few weeks ago found I suddenly impossible to log in, which had long been simply automatic. Nothing I've tried with new passwords, etc has enabled me to just get back my normal log-in. This might be a cookies problem? Can anyone advise or assist me? Thanks!

P.S. My user name-if still relevant/helpful for reply (?)--is mwprods. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.78.39 (talk) 22:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! If you have an email address associated with your account (and access to that email address), you can request a new password. If not, then you can create a new account, and mention on your user page that you used to edit as mwprods. GoingBatty (talk) 02:25, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Didn't want to rush to create new account but will readily do so now, since was never able to log back in, for some reason, by simply using new password (?!)

Much appreciated, GoingBatty...because I was Going same direction over this log-in failure. 70.107.78.39 (talk) 01:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)