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February 28

February 28, 2009 (2009-02-28) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for February 28

Bank of Ireland in College Green, Dublin
This happened on 26–27 February... now please sort out Svalbard... --Candlewicke ST # :) 03:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:00, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, it was 7 million, not 7 billion. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is this really that noteworthy. Seven million is not that much. Across the boader in NI they had a £20+ million robbery only a couple of years and the Securiates robbery in Kent even more recently was over £50million. Also why are some national records considered good for ITN and others not so. The RBS corperate loss which was a UK record was not considered ITN worthy so why is this? I mean being honest it doesn't have any international appeal really does it --Daviessimo (talk) 10:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose that is because record-setting corporate losses are not that uncommon these days. As for the "appeal" part, quite a few people are checking out the article for the past several hours according to the stats. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well thats all well and good but where is the consensus. Recently simply nominating an article seems to be enough for it going up, as has occured on several occasions recently such as with this and the Bolivian epidemic. I agree that the latter should have gone up but ITN is meant to be about consensus and not about just a few users individual opinions. Thus my opinion would be that the Ireland story should come down until it has more support. If others support it I'm more than happy with it being up. --Daviessimo (talk) 10:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I normally wait for at least a couple of hours but apparently that's not enough for you. How long shall we wait? 12 hours? --BorgQueen (talk) 11:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a case of how long, it's a case of consensus. No concensus was drawn on this before this went up. If no-one airs an opinion that doesn't neccesarily mean it should go up, otherwise half of the nominated items would be going up. All I'm saying is that before an item goes up at leasttwo people should support it (not including the posting admin) and any potential problems have been sorted. As I said above I personally don't think this is noteworthy enough but if there is a broad consensus in support I'm happy for it to be up. At the moment however that doesn't exist --Daviessimo (talk) 12:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I've been told by User:PFHLai that "no prior consensus is required before any items are added to ITN" [1] and another user commented that "any admin can post an item without discussion first". Has the rule changed since? --BorgQueen (talk) 12:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
For clarity can I suggest this be changed to "...in the Republic of Ireland's history"? As is mentioned above the Northern Bank robbery was significantly larger. --Kwekubo (talk) 12:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done, thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, deep breath. Sorry (about the incorrect figure), I was stressed at the time as I will explain further below. And yes, it's notable as it is a record breaking occurrence that is unusual in a particular area. I thought it would make a change from all the killer crashes and explosions, the amount of which some have been questioning on Talk:Main Page. I was aware of the Northern Bank robbery, actually basing the title and opening sentence on it for some consistency. Politically, whether liked or not (and for the purposes of the record), the two robberies took place in separate countries – even though, geographically, they are on the one island. To try to appease both these and trying to remain neutral, I pipe-linked it like so – Irish – but can see I have also failed in this area. Corporate losses are all the rage, name any recent bank robbery (with its own article) that this can be compared to. Daviessimo, if you want to help, please contribute more. BorgQueen has been the most frequent recent contributor to ITN in my knowledge, and having compiled the ITN stats for February 2009 just before all this, I find that all but four (of which at least two of those are listed recurring events involving sports and awards) have been posted by BorgQueen in that month alone. I have spent much of this time trying to keep ITN updated – I store my recent ITN contributions here but have not had time to compile a proper table with links to evidence like I have done with my GAs/DYKs. I am getting seriously irritated at this stage as this has happened less than twenty-four hours after one editor over at DYK has, for no apparent logical reason, called the best part of six months of my contributions into question in the most deflating and exasperating way possible. If I were to leave ITN, that may mean some items never get posted (and some items may never even get nominated if recent figures are anything to go by!) as BorgQueen would then be the sole dominant regular contributor – and then you will have achieved consensus! I don't seek excess credit for all of this – it is a pleasure enough to have something one has contributed to on the home page of one of the world's most popular websites – but, if my contributions to the Main Page are being called into question so suddenly in this manner, I will be retreating from these areas – I can see no further point in being smeared by allegations of a nature I have done my level best to avoid. --Candlewicke ST # :) 15:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you need to separate the issues you are facing at DYK from the ones at ITN. No one is accusing you of plagiarism here. Daviessimo is telling something completely different. DYK and ITN are two different places and we have very different rules. I am sure most people, if not all, here at ITN would agree you have been doing a good work. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, just having a general crisis of confidence about the Main Page... --Candlewicke ST # :) 16:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now you know how Mwalcoff and Madcoverboy felt. P.S. 7 million Euros is a lot, at least in our place... –Howard the Duck 13:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if you took my comments that way I wasn't aiming at either you or this story. I was simply questioning the current system that is used to decide what goes into ITN. I've been in and about ITN for the last several months and seem to find different editors and admins have different policies, although it seemed to have settled prior to christmas with normally two votes in favour (excluding posting admin) and the item could go up. Anyways I completely understand that ITN is suffering from a lack of contributions, however I fear that as much as it is insufficient awareness or general lethargy, people who stumbleo on this page are very confused as to what is eligible for inclusion on the main page. As far as I was aware it was for this reason that no item was automatically included or exluded and rather a system of concensus was used, with the ultimate aim to get more people involved. --Daviessimo (talk) 17:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid ITN has lost another contributor. I will not be appearing on the Main Page in future, not because I dislike it, but because it would be improper in the current circumstances. BorgQueen and others may have faith in my contributions but it appears there are some unexpected difficulties at DYK. If my DYK contributions are being called into question, I cannot reasonably bring myself to contribute to an ITN section which visitors to the Main Page see before DYK. I imagine ITN will have some difficulty now but it appears to be out of my hands. Recruitment is not working very well and neither have any attempts by myself or others to point out ITN to outsiders. Perhaps a list of typical accepted and unaccepted items could be constructed and placed at the top of the page – I may do that some time since it does not involve the tedious nature of applying references. Apologies Daviessimo, if there was any misunderstanding between us above, and also BorgQueen, the current most regular ITN poster. But I do not have the confidence to continue as I am currently doing. --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I've gotten used to the two supporters guideline, the posting admin and the nominator. There simply aren't enought contributors at ITN to really do anything else...if there's questions, the item goes down/is hidden until the comments have been resolved, and the item will either reappear or disappear. I agree with Candlewicke at being annoyed with people (not you Daviessimo, but others; you actually help out here sometimes) who complain about what goes up at ITN, but yet don't ever help with it, or make suggestions, or anything else. Candlewicke: I am extremely sorry about what has occurred, and you have my complete faith...in your many ITN items I've reviewed (even after they go up, just to check) or cowritten, I've never seen issues with plagiarism. SpencerT♦C 19:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 27

February 27, 2009 (2009-02-27) (Friday)

ITN candidates for February 27

Bolivian epidemic (from yesterday)
Footprints
  • This looks like an interesting story. I don't know which article to update, though. --Tone 16:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I added that to yesterday's current events. However, I also added other such scientific-discovery type stories on the oldest words in the English language, the delivery of 90,000 seeds to the Doomsday Vault in the Arctic Circle and the evolution of HIV... I would consider those three either more or just as interesting/significant but that might be just an opinion... --Candlewicke ST # :) 17:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Footprint has a section titled "Ancient footprints" – although it is currently little more than a list. --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I like the Doomsday Vault story as well. Though there is no update in the article yet. --Tone 19:57, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • 90,000 food crop seed samples are delivered to the Svalbard Global Seed Vault in the Arctic Circle. --Candlewicke ST # :) 21:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • 90,000 added out of a total of ~20 million? I'm not sure if this is notable enough. Although 90,000 may seem like a lot, it appears to be a drop in the bucket to the actual amount. SpencerT♦C 22:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • It's also the first anniversary, there was an international conference and at any rate 90,000 is a lot of seeds saved by any estimation. I would think that this is a large enough amount to be added in one go as it was reported. If it were small or this were happening any day there would not be daily updates... the figure 90,000 would be seen as massive if it involved deaths or injuries... so why not the preservation of vital food supplies that would prevent such deaths? --Candlewicke ST # :) 00:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                • Looking at the article, it compares the seed storage to that of a bank deposite box. A more realistic comparison would be depositing 90,000 coins in a box that already has 19.91 million. I assumed the number was reported because it was the first anniversary of the bank, not because a record number were being banked. However, if this is a record, I'd be more interested. In addition, the saving of 90 thousand lives is bordering on speculation...there aren't any current seed shortages, this is just a doomsday vault. I hope you understand where I'm coming from here. SpencerT♦C 00:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Kano Trovafloxacin trial litigation

And therefore approved, or is that cheating? Link the U.S. perhaps? Plus the particular type of dollar? And cut out the redirects? --Candlewicke ST # :) 04:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 26

February 26, 2009 (2009-02-26) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for February 26

There are several reports from companies about losses, we can't cover them all. I'd say no. --Tone 14:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. There's a new one every day where I am. Not all are discussed internationally. Bankruptcies and government takeovers are much more notable. --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well it depends. This is the largest corporate loss in UK history, which all things being considered means there is a good chance it is one of the largest in Europe, if not the world. It is according to Forbes the tenth largest business in the world and is effectively state owned (and as such the losses are against the UK taxpayer). Without context we can't just presume it is not ITN worthy because businesses make big losses all the time. For a comparison consider the GM results today which was less than half of this, that being one of the largest auto-makers in the world that neared bankruptcy just a couple of months ago. --Daviessimo (talk) 20:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? How does the largest corporate loss in UK history, if that's what it is, automatically qualify it as potentially one of the largest in Europe or even the world?! That's making assumptions on the most extreme level... ITN (and Wikipedia) deals with facts, not ifs, buts and maybes... if such an astonishing claim can be sourced, well then... for now it's just speculation... --Candlewicke ST # :) 21:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strike action
I know this type of thing probably happens every day but what about when it hasn't happened in twenty years? --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bearing in mind that this happened the day after 2,000 members of what is Ireland's police force protested in something else that is unheard of. --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Another record slump the day before... --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just days after this... --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:34, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

– that said, I suspect there will be much more, so it could be left for a few days to build up... --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another Irish news? Is this very important? –Howard the Duck 05:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No. This was the day before the bank robbery which stole the headlines. As for importance I will leave that up to you to decide based upon all those sources that I've provided (and many more I could if you wish)... --Candlewicke ST # :) 03:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ICTY trial result
  • Another trial result? I know there is another war crimes on at the moment, but I can't change what is in the news.
"Milan Milutinovic, Nikola Šainović, Nebojša Pavković, Dragoljub Ojdanić, Vladimir Lazarević, and Sreten Lukić are all sentenced to over 15 years in prison on charges of war crimes." Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC are reporting that Milutinovic has been acquitted [2] - Personally I think that if this were to go up that could be more important that the sentencing of the others. --Daviessimo (talk) 20:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay is "Milan Milutinović was acquitted by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia on charges of war crimes" any better? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 21:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If there are no objections I am going to post it tonight (JST). --BorgQueen (talk) 10:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:10, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bolivian epidemic


Spanish drugs/football scandal
Issue of museum openings
  • Ye but let's be honest what happened in Baghdad was unique. Museum closed to public under Saddam, pilfered when he falls, its antiquities spread all over the world illegally, yet here we are five years on and the museum has opened to the public. We can't apply set rules without considering the broader context and that was more than just another opening. --Daviessimo (talk) 20:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not that old. Nepalese monarchy only started in the 1760s. Not that old when you compare to the Japanese or British. –Howard the Duck 04:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Still a fair bit older than Saddam Hussein's great-great-great grandfolks... --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 25

February 25, 2009 (2009-02-25) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for February 25

Gamburtsev mapping success


Amsterdam Crash
The number of casualties is now 9 according to most sources. This can be put up as well. --Tone 18:58, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I haven't seen any other figure... --Candlewicke ST # :) 19:42, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Tiananment protest
  • Three men set themselves on fire near Tiananmen Square. [3]

I know it's developing. Shiplevelone (talk) 11:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Press attention is picking up. [4] It occurred on Tibetan New Year. Coincides with a fresh crackdown in Tibet. [5] I say it's worthy story encompassing much wider tension in Tibet and China. Shiplevelone (talk) 20:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RUF verdict
Serbian murder-escape plan suspensions
Bangladesh Rifles revolt

2009 Bangladesh Rifles revolt article was made to supply for the news The Bangladesh Rifles mutiny in Dhaka, killing one person and injuring eight. (AFP via Google News). Can someone please have a look at the article and update the first page with it? The news is very important and got the attention of World Media. I have also added reference sources from BBC, CNN, Alzajeera and a few leading Bangladeshi dailies. Regards--Tarif from Bangladesh (talk) 03:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 24

February 24, 2009 (2009-02-24) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for February 24

Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden

Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden
Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden


National Museum of Iraq
  • Well being honest you can't compare the two - the National Museum of Iraq is exactly that, a national Museum and it holds/held all the greatest 'treasures' in the country, whilst the tsunami museum is related to only one event. Its re-opening is symbolic for two reasons - firstly because given the looting after the invasion it shows how far the country has moved forward -secondly because it could have profound implications on the antiquities trade, given that Iraq museum pieces are more likely to now be tradable by the major auction houses. Just my tuppence though --Daviessimo (talk) 16:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) I was thinking about the artefacts stolen during the war as the controversy. And this is historically important museum. Just felt it is reasonable to discuss the option. --Tone 16:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Rare cheetah photos


Lab teeth


Somalia erupts
Orbiting Carbon Observatory

February 23

February 23, 2009 (2009-02-23) (Monday)

ITN candidates for February 23

Indian human spaceflight program
  • India has approved a £1.7 billion plan to launch its first astronauts into space by 2015.
  • I agree it would but there have been recent planned launches by other countries (plus the planned closure of Guantanamo Bay) which have been dismissed because they are simply plans and not all plans come to fruition. So including this at ITN would be an inconsistent move. But if it happens I would support it then. --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:39, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Its not really significant. --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 02:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not really significant? I wouldn't go that far... --Candlewicke ST # :) 09:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Its just a proposal + two India-related blurbs are already on the main page. The two candidates below appear to be more interesting.—Magic.Wiki (talk) 02:46, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


YSL auction


Comet Lulin

February 22

February 22, 2009 (2009-02-22) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for February 22

Vietnam's first oil refinery
2009 Shanxi mine blast
Oscars 2009
  • The awards will be handed out today (actually, tomorrow early morning in my time zone.) Proposed wording is something like xx wins yy awards including best picture and something else at the Academy Awards. --Tone 12:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as Danny Boyle and Slumdog Millionaire were featured on ITN for the Golden Globes, might we go a different route it were to win best picture? Grsz11 01:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No. –Howard the Duck 03:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, thank you for that terrific perspective. Grsz11 03:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is no other award worth mentioning. Only the Best Picture should make the cut. We can consider Best Director, Actor and Actress if we want to add pics. –Howard the Duck 04:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer something simple like "[Film X] wins [Y] Academy Awards including Best Picture". Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The 2009 Gujarat Hepatitis outbreak

I have done some work on it — added some text in the lead and rewrote the "reaction" section which was earlier copy-pasted directly from cnn —Magic.Wiki (talk) 15:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article still needs more attention (refs and style), so don't put up yet...I'll work on it. SpencerT♦C 19:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, please take your time. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, reorganised, more refs, and better fleshed-out. Wording: An outbreak of Hepatitis B in Gujarat, India, kills 49 people and infects 125. I'll post, but can you give me the recognition tag? Thanks, SpencerT♦C 19:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2009 Khan el-Khalili explosion
It's too short now. Also, is 4 deaths notable enough? SpencerT♦C 21:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In the context I would say yes. Egypt is one of the more stable 'tourist friendly' states in that region and as the above user suggests given that there has been one French person killed and up to fifteen foreigners injured ([7]) it certainly has international significance =Daviessimo (talk) 21:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also say this is significant. --Candlewicke ST # :) 01:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think it is acceptable, only if somebody expands it a bit. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is it expanded enough?--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 10:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Btw, only one person died, not four. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:47, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 21

February 21, 2009 (2009-02-21) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for February 21

Slovakian coach and train collision

I might create it later if nobody else has gotten to it. We don't hear of anything like this every day. --Candlewicke ST # :) 18:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Having traveled on railroads in the region I assure you it is not normal for them to hit buses and kill 11 people. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

11 people are killed and twenty are injured in a collision between a tourist coach and a train in central Slovakia.

I'm not sure it's normal for trains and buses to become involved in such an intimate way fullstop. Even the recent derailment in Orissa was lacking a bus... although bizarrely I mistyped coach and got redirected to the Council of Christian Hospitals in – Orissa! Anyway, just waiting to be posted now I guess... --Candlewicke ST # :) 01:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Are 2 sources and 2 paragraphs enough? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.205.76.213 (talk • contribs)
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 20

February 20, 2009 (2009-02-20) (Friday)

ITN candidates for February 20

Benjamin Netanyahu

Benjamin Netanyahu
Benjamin Netanyahu
      • I think we should wait until the new government is sworn in. Then, certainly. --Tone 18:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I don't think we need wait, the president has already decided who will become Israel's next PM. --Hapsala (talk) 19:54, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • But he still has to form a government and pass a vote in Kneset, right? --Tone 20:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Exactly. This seems similar to when it was suggested we should put Tzipi Livni winning the Kadima leadership election. In that case I pointed out there was no guarantee she would form the next government and be the next PM and it turned out I she didn't. In this case, there is I presume similarly no guarantee Benjamin Netanyahu will form the next government and be the next PM. I'm not that familiar with Israeli politics but I presume by convention no one else tries to form the next government when the President has specifically invited someone but there is still no guarantee of success and if he fails either someone else will be given the chance or a fresh election will be called. It is ultimately up to the members of the Knesset. However I wouldn't mind mentioning the results of the election but the emphasis should be on that. Nil Einne (talk) 22:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peanuts

Latvia

Tamil Tiger aircraft attack

"Tamil Tiger rebels launch a kamikaze style suicide attack on Colombo, killing two people". --snowolfD4 ( talk / @ ) 22:40, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 19

February 19, 2009 (2009-02-19) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for February 19

Brits
Not my choice of ITN... --Tone 14:46, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That is okay, I was just suggesting it for balance as I noticed the Grammy's made ITN on February 9. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the BRIT Awards has separate categories for British and International means something. –Howard the Duck 17:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be willing to support this if something like the Meteors went up too... but that won't happen... because we'd have every other national music awards wanting mention... followed by the film awards... and television... and radio... and so on... and on... balance is all very well but it would be impossible to manage... I'd say the Grammys are in a separate class though. And not every Grammy is listed. Just the one considered most important. Also Duffy links to a disambiguation page. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 17:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't enough prose in the article in the first place to qualify. SpencerT♦C 00:27, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Danton

  • The Danton, a French battleship sunk in 1917 by a German submarine, is discovered upright with many of its gun turrets still intact on the floor of the Mediterranean Sea.
    • Quotes:

      "The French government is now keen to see that the site is protected."

      "'Its condition is extraordinary', said Rob Hawkins, project director with Fugro GeoConsulting Limited."

This is much more remarkable in my opinion. It also seems to have been updated so it would be a matter of someone agreeing and also determining whether enough info has been added to allow it onto ITN. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 17:58, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. The article could be expanded a bit more but I support it now already. --Tone 18:02, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


HIV/AIDS epidemic in China'

Stanford Financial Group

February 18

February 18, 2009 (2009-02-18) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for February 18

UBS AG in trouble

This is a good story. However, the update is a bit short. And the wording could be improved. At present, it can be interpreted that the bank will help people to avoid taxes, what is presumably not the case... --Tone 12:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I will start updating the article. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alt: UBS AG, Switzerland's largest bank, agrees to pay US$780 million in fines and restitution and disclose account information to the U.S. Government after admitting to helping American clients avoid taxes. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan

  • Is this news ITN-worthy? Pakistan has been neglected on ITN, and we should come up with something. I suppose the problem is that a lot of people get killed there every day, it is hard to pinpoint one event... The same goes with the Mexican drug war. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have to agree with you. Pakistan has to be on ITN more often. But whether this is the story I am doubtful. The article itself says "Reporters have often been killed or kidnapped in northwest Pakistan" - I doubt we could make this out to be any more of a special case. Even if one reporter was killed in the U.S. or U.K. I doubt it would be notable for ITN. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


NASA


La Brea Tar Pits and LACMA

I'd support this one. The sources are reliable, just ignore that blog one. No need to list the species. --Tone 12:24, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is it wise to ignore blogs? Should something containing a blog be featured on ITN? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 17:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Besides, I feel sort of awkward since the actual discovery was in 2006. I know we've had those "announcement" items before but... 2006 might be a bit too far. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why not, if they have been made public now. By the way, one ref is a blog, the others are not, I don't see the issue here. Am I missing something? --Tone 17:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just saying we don't use blogs, don't we? Or am I missing something? I now think the Danton (see above) is a much better choice. The French governemnt are only moving to protect it now so it must be more recent than 2006. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 18:27, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 17

February 17, 2009 (2009-02-17) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for February 17

Big American stimulus plan.
A possible image to use with the item, but it needs a crop
Duch trial


Oil spill
This article has now seen noticeable expansion. Trustcited (talk) 17:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"The biggest oil spill in the UK since 1996"; I think that's notable enough. Can you suggest some well-worded blurb? --BorgQueen (talk) 18:17, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just heard of this. Yes, I should think this is ITN material. At last - I'm not the only one getting Ireland on ITN outside elections... --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 21:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There's a blurb for a start unless anyone can come up with something better. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 21:37, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The clock is still red but you'll probably have solved that by the time I save this. ;) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 21:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb is suitable IMO. Thanks Candlewicke! Trustcited (talk) 21:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're very welcome! :) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 21:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Clock reset. SpencerT♦C 22:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just added to P:CE per WP:ITNMP Procedural #2. --199.71.174.100 (talk) 00:44, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, it's prefered not to use maps in ITN if possible. SpencerT♦C 01:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 16

February 16, 2009 (2009-02-16) (Monday)

ITN candidates for February 16

The UK Counter-Terrorism Act


The Pirate Bay trial
Venezuelan referendum vote
"An amendment to the Constitution of Venezuela, lifting term limits on elected offices from the President of the Republic down, is endorsed by 54% of voters in a referendum." 189.146.243.114 (talk) 04:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, this is some horrible wording. What about mentioning Chavez who is the key person in the whole thing and not mentioning 54% since simple support is enough? --Tone 09:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can you give a bit more specific wording? I think mentioning Chavez will lengthen the blurb too much. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In Venezuela, the voters endorse a proposed amendment to the constitution, lifting term limit on elected officers. (or making possible for Chavez to be elected again+ photo of Chavez). This is as far as I can get it. --Tone 11:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The current wording gives the impression that Chavez' re-election is certain. I suggest changing the wording to In Venezuela, the voters endorse an amendment to the constitution lifting term limits on elected offices, enabling President Hugo Chávez (pictured) to stand for re-election at the end of the current term. Or something to that effect. Pruneautalk 13:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Nuclear submarine collision
Something is happening at 2009 nuclear submarine collision article. Still, far too little content so far. --Tone 13:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't aware of that article, I'll put of information in it now, but have to go out shortly. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 13:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I have added quite a bit to the article. Is it ready yet? If not I'll do some more work when I get back. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 14:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Harder than diamonds

February 15

February 15, 2009 (2009-02-15) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for February 15

Galeras eruption

Russia


Nominate the ongoing French Caribbean general strikes, 2009 in Guadeloupe and Martinique.


UK cancer breakthrough


Congo rebels killed

  • At least 40 Rwandan Hutu rebels are killed in air strikes in the Democratic Republic of Congo. (BBC)
    • How about this one which we seem to have missed? It would have happened between the U.S. plane crash and the Indian train derailment which are both still on ITN.

The numbers killed in the air raids - 75km west of the provincial capital Goma - make them the deadliest since the arrival of Rwandan forces in January.

--➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 03:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Turkey

February 14

ITN candidates for February 14

February 13

February 13, 2009 (2009-02-13) (Friday)

ITN candidates for February 13

American money and its relevance on a global scale


Plane House Collision


Neanderthal


Orissa

February 12

February 12, 2009 (2009-02-12) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for February 12

February 11

February 11, 2009 (2009-02-11) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for February 11

Zimbabwe

Morgan Tsvangirai of the Movement for Democratic Change party has been sworn in as Prime Minister of Zimbabwe. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:29, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Consider including a link to 2008–2009 Zimbabwean political negotiations in the blurb. --Tone 10:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to use Tsvangirai's pic because it has been uploaded by a commons user with a long history of uploading copyvio images. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Satellite collision

The collision of two satellites was the first time in history, so probably significant enough to be on ITN. Does anyone agree? --BorgQueen (talk) 05:35, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. 2009 satellite collision --Stephen 06:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That was fast. Grundle beat me to it. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good one. Support. --Tone 08:08, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, hang on, I am just polishing it before putting it on MP. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I can see I was beaten to this one too. :) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 14:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. Can someone give me the credit for nominating the article? Thanks. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mexico

Interesting sure. But there was also a discovery of mummies in Egypt recently so I don't know which of those two could be featured. How significant is the discovery anyway? The article says it is interested and unexpected but is it a big breakthrough? I don't know... --Tone 12:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's the first South American discovery of a mass grave of bodies laid out carefully as opposed to just being tossed in a pit. I think they're saying it represents the spread of Christianity to the continent. It's also crucial because it covers a wide age demographic due to the discovery including males and females from all age groups - children to the elderly. I would say it's more significant than the unearthing of a few mummies which would be a more regular occurrence and tend to be linked to royalty more than ordinary folk. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 18:25, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 00:14, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 10

February 10, 2009 (2009-02-10) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for February 10

Pakistan

Not ITN, in my opinion. Tragic for sure but many people get killed every day there. --Tone 07:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Eastern Europeans are by definition not westerners? --UweBayern (talk) 14:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Europe is ment as West here, presumably. --Tone 14:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No. East or west it is still a beheading in a part of the world where this isn't an unusual occurrence. I don't see how important such an incident becomes whether it is the first American, Japanese, German or South African since the last one... all of five minutes ago. I clicked on the link and the first thing that caught my eye were the words "seems to". What a blunder if he was proven to be alive and it was on the Main Page... it could be no better than the fuss over the "deaths" at Obama's inauguration. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The video has been confirmed "authentic" since, and the reports suggest that it is one thing to kill locals and another to behead a foreigner and videotape it when his government refused to accept their demands, given the political implications. (Not that I insist, we have plenty of other news to focus on) --BorgQueen (talk) 04:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We do indeed have plenty to focus on but I'm sorry as I was in a rush at the time, didn't know what was in the news and could only go on what the link was telling me. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 19:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Germany

Ministers in big countries are changed relatively often so I wouldn't include this one. By the way, some time ago we had China becoming 3rd largest economy on ITN ;-) --Tone 14:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm...I don't remember us posting any other appointees... SpencerT♦C 01:20, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Israel

February 9

February 9, 2009 (2009-02-09) (Monday)

ITN candidates for February 9

Amazon (continued from yesterday):

Support, article looks good. How about this wording: An airplane crashes near Manaus, the capital of Amazonas, Brazil, killing 24 people.
Though the mention of children makes the incident more tragic, I don't think it really deserves mention. SpencerT♦C 02:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. Why? It seems to be one of the most notable things coming out of South America right now... --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 02:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I like the alternative wording by the way. :) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 03:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify my misunderstanding - I thought those were two separate comments - one left by an unsigned user. Checking the history has told me otherwise. Now it makes sense. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 03:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, sorry about that. SpencerT♦C 22:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Venezuela

Australia

Death toll even higher now. SpencerT♦C 22:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Grammys

Saudi most-wanted list

I'm going to have to oppose. Even though there's detainees formerly from Gitmo, I still don't find it especially notable. SpencerT♦C 22:31, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bolivia – updated as requested by BogQueen.

February 8

February 8, 2009 (2009-02-08) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for February 8

Madagascar

Amazon

Marian Cozma

Um, no. We're not exactly short of options at the minute. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 17:02, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unless of course he had some historic effect which changed the world... but he doesn't seem to be quite at the level of Nelson Mandela or Lech Wałęsa... --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 17:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please see Death criteria. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:03, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ahaha I have fallen of the chair laughing on Mandela comment. Not. The other two players are national team players of Serbia and Croatia. So this has been the main breaking news headlines in four countries - Hungary, Romania, Croatia and Serbia.--Avala (talk) 17:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh dear, that's very tragic. Nelson will never be able to top that. :P --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 00:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just a comment, the death criteria were recently amended and changed. The newest version is here: Wikipedia:ITNMP#Deaths.
About the candidate: I wouldn't say that Cozma was a "very important figure in their field of expertise" nor that the "death has a major international impact that affects current events." I'm going to have to oppose.
Also with deaths, the rest of the subject's article needs to be well-filled-in too, and Cozma has very little about anything else he did. SpencerT♦C 02:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 7

February 7, 2009 (2009-02-07) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for February 7

Victorian bushfires

(unindent)Removed uncited claims. They happened but the media is still focusing on consequences and current threats rather than analysis of causes etc. -- Mattinbgn\talk 22:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the SMH now. Estimates up to 40 dead and fires are still burning out of control. Just adding my support for inclusion. Cheers, Ben (talk) 23:34, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 23:56, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Bolivian costitutional overhaul


Queensland floods


Madagascar

February 6

February 6, 2009 (2009-02-06) (Friday)

ITN candidates for February 6

Ireland and UK weather: I've updated it at yesterday's date. It is still relevant due to this just today and this yesterday-running into today. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 15:53, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 5

February 5, 2009 (2009-02-05) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for February 5

Here it is. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 16:22, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Enten.svg
  • No, tisn't at all... anyway there's something odd about this article. I remarked on the talk page at the inclusion of IRE in a UK titled article - if that had gone on the Main Page there would have been uproar... now all the IRE stuff has been removed from what I can see but the opening line says UK + IRE, yet the article is just called UK. The simplest solution would have been to include Ireland in the title and keep the info there. Especially since Ireland is presumably being affected by the same thing as the UK and numerous disruptions have been caused.

I'd support this if all these were included and the title had the word "Ireland" or "Irish". It does go rather nicely with Australia. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 03:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More refs from different sources for anyone interested in updating the article. [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 03:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The verb tense used in the first sentence was the past tense so I thought it was pretty much over before it was proposed. –Howard the Duck 03:18, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also I wouldn't think it's too late when a major airport was shut down a number of hours ago. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 03:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article needs to be updated first before this should ever go up. –Howard the Duck 04:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I know. It's also back ITN again... 200 people rescued in Devon, England Widespread frost and ice on roads --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 08:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Infrastructure across Great Britain and Ireland is disrupted following heavy snowfall (snowfall in London pictured). It was the heaviest snowfall for 18 years across some parts, heaviest for 22 years in other parts. Basicaly it's a mixture of the worst snow depending on different areas and not the overall for Britain and Ireland. I also think that a geographical term would be better for a geographical headline, although a political term of UK and ROI is fine by me. Jolly Ω Janner 21:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


NOM University of Tennessee women's basketball coach Pat Summit wins her 1000th game, the first NCAA coach to do so. Grsz11Review 04:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No. –Howard the Duck 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Even the weather makes more sense than this somehow... if somebody would update it... --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 08:42, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid NCAA sports dont cut it...it would have to be a major professional sports team. SpencerT♦C 21:43, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't even think a professional sports team would make it. –Howard the Duck 17:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 4

February 4, 2009 (2009-02-04) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for February 4

This seems like a good choice. I support this, although it would be nice if the article (Titanoboa) was expanded a bit if possible. Thanks, Anonymous101 (talk) 20:29, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded a bit, and the citations have been improved as well. --BorgQueen (talk) 22:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


(Moved) HMS Victory (1737) has been updated. --Stephen 20:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

She was the last British First Rate to be armed entirely with bronze cannon. [1]

  • Is there anything other than this that marks the ship out as being special? I find the British weather at the minute more interesting than this story... not nearly as exciting as the discovery of a planet and a fossil... and three discoveries in a row? We had difficulty enough phrasing the second one... --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 23:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  • Does anyone think that this news is notable enough for ITN? MySpace is used by people all over the world, if I am not mistaken, and "90,000 registered sex offenders" is eyebrow-raising to say the least. The company confirmed it Tuesday so it is probably not too late by the ITN standard. --BorgQueen (talk) 23:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Eyebrow-raising exactly. But that's how it's designed. The final paragraph:

None of the registered sex offenders found on MySpace have been convicted for actions on the site, Nigam said. Facebook's statement said no sex offenders had been convicted of wrongdoing on its site either.

Incidentally we'd nearly need another image... which would be somewhat sickeningly ironic... :/ --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 00:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Since we're going through news stories, how about what's going at Waterford Crystal? It's a world famous brand, it's about to close, all the workers were suddenly laid off on Friday and have been staging a sit-in since, the company is/was 250 years old, it's apparently being reported across the world, has been ongoing for a few days, today there was a protest in the city and it pretty much symbolises the sudden downturn in the Irish economy. --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 00:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to say no...there's plenty of rather important businesses all over that are closing, and even with your reasoning, I don't think its overly notable enough. SpencerT♦C 00:32, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 3

February 3, 2009 (2009-02-03) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for February 3

It's common practice in the English language to 'italicise' the name of inanimate objects. (e.g. ships, planes). Thus really the name of this one should be as well. --Daviessimo (talk) 15:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the italics, and it doesn't appear to have been removed...I have added them in. SpencerT♦C 22:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a photo of Holmes, the Super Bowl MVP: here's an image, but it needs to be cropped. SpencerT♦C 02:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I found a bit more relevant image and used it instead. It is dark (it's not out fault that the game was held in the evening) and not exactly spectacular at 100x100px though. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:29, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

February 2

February 2, 2009 (2009-02-02) (Monday)

ITN candidates for February 2

February 1

February 1, 2009 (2009-02-01) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for February 1


Support. Article appears to be in good shape and 50 dead is quite a couple. SpencerT♦C 22:03, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Nominate an alternate hook: The Pittsburgh Steelers win their sixth Super Bowl, the most of any team, over the Arizona Cardinals 27-23 in Super Bowl XLIII. Grsz11--Review 04:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Broad, William J. (2009-02-02). "Wreck of Warship Is Found in English Channel". The New York Times. Retrieved 2009-02-02.
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