Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Archive/2009/November

adding photos

I have an aerial view of the Del Rio Tennessee photo that I would like to add to the Del Rio page. How do I go about it? Can I delete or replace an existing photo, or choose where the photo will be located on the page?

Please notify on my talk page

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"docsledge" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Docsledge (talk • contribs) 01:11, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

You should take a look at Wikipedia:Uploading images, it describes the process. But baisicly, you would go to the Commons Upload Page and upload it from there. Please be sure, however, that you own the copyright, or have explicit permission to use it. Good Luck Tim1357 (talk) 04:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Minor company name changes and headers

I have recently edited a companies profile who have changed their name to an acronym of their former name. Does this mean an entirely new article has to be written with the new heading or can the name be changed? Presumably links to the header title need to be relinked? is there any way this can be done automatically —Preceding unsigned comment added by • contribs) 12:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

We never create separate articles for alternate names. If an article should be retitled, we move it to the better title, which preserves its page history. When there are other titles that a person might search for, we create redirects from those alternate names to the title. With a redirect in place, prior links to the old name of a title that has been moved will still work fine. However, when you do a move, you should always fix all double redirects. Please note the naming conventions at WP:NAME. Note especially that we use the common name for a subject, even if it is not the official name.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

No Move Tab...

Hi everyone!! I am theultravisitor and I need help moving a draft that I did called User:Theultravisitor/enjoythezoo. I have read that since I am a new contributor I don't have the move tab yet, so I was hoping someone can help me. Thank You all very much for your help!! Theultravisitor (talk) 23:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I am reviewing the page in question now. Intelligentsium 00:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC) Reviewed, results below:

Firstly, you are to be commended for starting the article in your userspace. Most users would have started it in the mainspace, where it would have undergone harsh scrutiny. Though I am unable to judge whether or not the article will ever meet our inclusion criteria, as it stand now I see several places where our inclusion guidelines for bands are not satisfied. These include: Coverage in self-published sources, Trivial mention in what only seems to be a reliable source, link to MySpace, YouTube, and official website (the first and last probably meet guidelines for external links, but cannot be considered as references), and generally no claims of importance or significance. While I cannot judge whether or not this article will ever be ready for inclusion, your request to mainspace this article as it stands 00:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC), is  Not done for now. If you have any questions, you are free to ask me on my user talk page. Intelligentsium 00:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Still no "move" button

Hello,

I registered a week ago and created a draft page which I would like to go live now. I still don't have the "move" button available, obviously due to the fact that I haven't made 10 edits yet. It seems unreasonable to make further edits to the page just for the sake of reaching a total of 10 edits, so would it be possible for you to move that page out of the draft status?

Thank you, Yatsenassociates —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yatsenassociates (talk • contribs) 03:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Someone could move the page, but it would be immediately deleted or moved back for being an advertisement for the company, instead of an article about the company. The difference is that a true article is based on the content that can be found in reliable sources that discuss the company, instead of on promotional material that the company has published itself. Also please note that you are strongly discouraged from writing about your own company. If you can rewrite the page to make it not sound like an advertisement, and cite multiple reliable sources to assert notability, then I'm sure someone will move it for you, or you will be able to move it yourself. But the best advice for this situation is generally to do nothing. If your company is notable, someone else will write an article about it in time. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:48, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Also notice that the success rate of new contributors in creating new articles is extremely low. If you are interested in improving Wikipedia (as opposed to only interested in promoting your company, which intention would not be welcome here), then I strongly urge you to do some edits elsewhere. Choose some articles you have some interest or knowledge in, and see what you can do to improve them. Once you have worked on other articles, and particularly interacted with other editors who may not necessarily agree with your stance on these, you will be much better placed to write a successful article of your own. --ColinFine (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

avoid article deletion due to copyright infringement

Please let me know how I will be able to publish my article but quoting references to a external website hosting exhaustive information about the same. Basically I have written an article citing information about the usage and benefits for the usage of the product which is officially belonging to a different owner. --Rtruser (talk) 06:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)Rtruser--Rtruser (talk) 06:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Chummer, you've got bigger issues here. Wikipedia is not for advertising what-so-ever. -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Stop... at a WHAMMY!!)} 08:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Rabin festival

Recently, the above term is used in Israel by the Right to describe the annual Rabin's commemoration day [1] in which, according to many right wing representatives, the Left is busy in intensive propaganda and de legitimation against the Right and in casting collective guilt for the assassination on it. Actually, this term was coined by the left wing journalist Gideon Levy in regard to Rabin's commemoration day which seem to last for a month each year, much more than one day. During this month TV and newspapers are busy with the figure of Rabin and wuth left wing agendas. I can see that there is no reference for it in Rabin's article, so I was thinking to start a new article-as certainly this issue have high publical and political significance in Israel.--Gilisa (talk) 13:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Such information would go into the existing article, under Yitzhak Rabin#Commemoration. Please be cautious and observe our rules about reliable sources and neutral point of view. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:48, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

NPOV is exactly the reason for which I'm thinking on a different article, not to mention how controversial the issue is in Israel. I can't see how just mentioning this in Rabin's article would aviod edit wars or soap boxing. --Gilisa (talk) 19:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I didn't say that mentioning it in Rabin's article would prevent edit wars or soapboxing; just that the article about Rabin is the most appropriate place to put information about any actual controversy (as opposed to mere ideological blather by Israeli equivalents of Ann Coulter or Jerome Corsi). --Orange Mike | Talk 03:52, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Editing Pages

I have added a blurb to the Sun Peaks Page about the company who did the planning for the mountain resort. I still do not understand why I can't reference their website. I am not sure if I referenced it wrong or if I am not allowed to tell people about their website.

As well, it was mentioned that I should add to the Wikiproject_Ski page, but again was blocked. It looked like the ski equipment sites where advertising. But my page on Ecosign was blocked. They are a planning company and have done most of the ski resorts listed and I can't even add a blurb about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heypalmer (talk • contribs) 19:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

'Blurb' is defined by Wiktionary as "A short description of a book, film, musical work, or other product written and used for promotional purposes." (emphasis added). Promotional material is not permitted in Wikipedia.

A statement, backed by reliable sources, that a particular company planned a resort would be acceptable; but not a blurb about the company.

A link in an external links section to the official website of the resort which is the subject of the article will normally be acceptable; but links to companies that happen to be mentioned in the article will not without a very good (encyclopaedic, not advertising) reason. See WP:EL. --ColinFine (talk) 23:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Name confusion

Shrappers (talk) 01:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)You have a page for the British actor John Shrapnel (note the one ell). This is causing some distress to a New Zealand actor/director John Shrapnell (note the double ell) These are real names and the two people are not related.

Would you entertain a page for the NZ John Shrapnell? His validity can be verified by looking at <http://www.nzonscreen.com> and doing a name search. Shrappers (talk) 01:05, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

You can feel free to start the article yourself (See Wikipedia:Your first article) if you can provide an assertion of notability, and ideally multiple reliable sources. The {{Distinguish}} template can then be used on both articles to eliminate the confusion. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Johnny Depp Article

I have had my edit on Mr. Depp's Fear of Clowns removed three times. The last time I cited a BBC program where Mr. Depp was interviewed in Jan 2000. What must I specifically do to have my edit remain on the site? This is a seemingly well documented fact about Mr. Depp and one he has frequently commented on.

Thank you

Digby scallops (talk) 03:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The sources you provided (IMDB and a fansite) are not considered reliable sources. I didn't see a BBC interview, btw? You need to provide appropriate reliable sources for this, and it'd be better to raise this issue at the article's talk page and ask for some input from other editors there. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 03:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons has stricter requirements than other types of articles, especially for potentially negative claims. A person may risk being ridiculed or taken less seriously for alleged fear of clowns so I would call it potentially negative. Before allowing such a claim it would be good to have:

1. A reference to a reliable source itself and not an unreliable source quoting what a reliable source allegedly said.
2. The reference not appearing to be humorous - alleged fear of clowns is sometimes used in humour.
3. The reference actually using the word coulrophobia or at least phobia. If a source only uses words like "fear" or "afraid" then it may be inappropriate to call it a phobia.

If it's properly sourced then there is still a question of whether it's worth mentioning in the biography. You can discuss it at Talk:Johnny Depp. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Multiple Album covers

I've started a discography of record albums for a singer - one page for each album. On my first album, the album had three different record covers (by three different record companies). I've been able to show the 2nd record cover as the alternative (found the code on another artist's page) but I've been unsuccessful with the coding of the second alternative cover (#3). Duplicating the code for the first alternative didn't work (nothing shows) and I haven't seen another singer who has 3 covers listed. Can anyone help me? OscarTango (talk) 22:47, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I see you use {{Infobox album}} at There Is a Breeze. Maybe you duplicated the wrong part. Don't include | Misc = in the duplicate. Add another {{Extra album cover 2|...}} after the first so they are assigned to the same Misc. The two uses of {{Extra album cover 2|...}} can have different parameters. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

When you two covers have the same illustration, the use of the second is often challenged. Cover art is copyrighted, and is used at Wikipedia under "fair use" rules, and must demonstrate a need to show the alternate cover for identification. If a different colour frame is the only distinction, it is better to just describe the second cover. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 22:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Problem solved with the help from PrimeHunter. OscarTango (talk) 13:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Draft article

Victoria Sekitoleko was born in 1953 in Jinja, Uganda. She became the first female to be elected member of Parliament for Butembe in 1989 under the movement government that came to power in 1989. She was also appointed Minister of Agriculture, Animal Husbandry and Fisheries at the time. In March 1994 Sekitoleko was elected to the Constituent Assembly where she served until she resigned in November 1994 to take up a new job at the UN FAO in Harare Zimbabwe. In 2005 Sekitoleko was named FAO representaive for China, Mongolia and the Democratic Republic of China. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Banalya (talk • contribs) 05:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

It looks like you were suggesting a new article. I have created one for you at Victoria Sekitoleko. You're very welcome to develop the article with reference to published sources: see your guide to writing your first article for full advice. Gonzonoir (talk) 14:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

How to link Formal learning and Formal Education and Non-formal learning and Non-formal Education?

How to link formal learning and formal education and non-formal learning and non-formal education? and shouldn't there be any links back? Who's the best team to look at that? -- SvenAERTS (talk) 07:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

• Using #redirect seems a good idea! I nominate SvenAERTS as the best team to create any back links that may be needed, but note that we do not create links to redirect pages. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

No Move Tab

Hello I'm LDMuellerSP and I need help moving a draft that I did called User:LDMuellerSP/Senniger_Powers. Because I'm a new contributor I don't have the move tab yet so I was hoping ypu can help me. Thank You!LDMuellerSP (talk) 15:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I am afraid that at the moment it is not ready to be moved - it reads like a press release, promo piece or directory entry, all in violation of WP:SPAM. Also your user name appears to indicate that you have some connection with the firm - if that's the case please read WP:COI. – ukexpat (talk) 17:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation link

Good morning. After practicing several edits and reviewing the intructions and guidance on articles, I submitted my first article, Martin Fillmore Clark, Jr. (author). The article is now up but has not been "reviewed" and thus is still in a "new article" template. There are three other "Martin Clark" entries and a "Martin Clarke" as well. Following Wikipedia's instructions, I added the (author) so as to distinguish this article from others in the encyclopedia. However, when I enter "Martin Clark" in the search function, this name/ article does not appear in the drop down and can only be found by typing in the exact, full name. My first question is: How do I make this appear in the search function? More important, perhaps, is that my Martin Clark is listed as a notable alumnus of Davidson College (under the subheading "Writers, Journalists and Publishers") but this Davidson link goes to the snooker player Martin Clark. Also, my Martin Clark is listed as a notable resident of Stuart, Va, but there is the same link problem. How do I correct this? I read the info page on this, but as a beginner, I don't want to mess up a big page like Davidson College. My best guess is to put {{redirect2/location/other location}} at the top of my new page. If so, what exactly do I put in the "location" spot? Sorry for the trouble, just afraid I might make a mess. Please notify me on my talk page as well. Eddland1 (talk) 17:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the page needs to be moved to a simpler title, either Martin Fillmore Clark or Martin Clark (author) depending on which name he is commonly known as. If to the latter then we can create Martin Clark (disambiguation) or use hatnotes to distinguish between the Martin Clarks. – ukexpat (talk) 17:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I moved this one to Martin Clark (author), since that is how his name appears on his book; and created a disambiguation page for him, the footy players, and the snooker player. Who was the fourth Martin Clark? --Orange Mike | Talk 18:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

enhanced 'Random article' function

Hey,

Would it be possible to have a 'random article' function on a specific level - e.g. on the Technology Portal level? This would be nice for someone wanting to learn more on a certain topic over a certain time. Sorry this question is not posted where it should be, but I didn't know where to put it. Thx! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dasmich82 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I am not aware of any such function, however, you can suggest it at the Wikipedia:Village pump. — QuantumEleven 10:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

editing page with no edit tab

I'd like to edit the French Revolution page but there is no edit this page tab. How can I contribute to it? ClioFR (talk) 16:26, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The page is semi-protected. You can post a message to Talk:French Revolution with a description of what you want to change, along with the template {{editsemiprotected}}, and somebody will look at what you want to change, and do it if they think it should be done.--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 16:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Can I also just submit 10 edits on other pages and get access to semi-protected pages?130.253.174.39 (talk) 22:04, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Or that, but you would have to be logged in first...--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 22:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Cecil Williams, former Texas County Commissioner

Cecil Williams (July 4, 1927-July 11, 2007) was a Texas politician, educator, rancher and philanthropist. He was born in Huntsville, Texas on July 4, 1927 to Lusters Williams and Maggie (Sowells, nee) Williams.

Williams served as the first elected African American county commissioner in Walker County, Texas since Reconstruction, serving from 1987-1996 for precinct 2.

Huntsville, Walker County, Texas County Commissioner Cecil Williams will be remembered as a mentor and a trailblazer. But most of all, those who knew him say his memory will live on through the countless lives he touched during his more than 50 years in education. Graduating from Prairie View A&M University (cum laude/Phi Beta Kappa) after serving in the Army during World War II, Williams went on to become an educator in the Huntsville Independent School District (HISD), starting as an agriculture teacher and ending his career as vocational director for the entire system.

For nearly 36 years, Williams worked his way up in the HISD, and after his retirement remained active in the education of young people, signing on as a board member of the Gulf Coast Trades Center for 15 years. Along with serving as a Texas county commissioner, board member and educator, Williams ran a successful ranching operation up until his death.

Williams was a member of Pleasant Grove United Methodist Church in Huntsville, Texas. He is survived by his wife, Bernice Grace Williams of Huntsville; a son, Barry (Cynthia) Williams of Chappell Hill, TX; and two daughters, Cecilia Perkins of Roundrock, TX and Marcia Williams Cromer of Chicago, Ill.

It looks like you are trying to create a new article. Please see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:Article wizard for guidance on how to do this. — QuantumEleven 10:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Except that this is almost certainly a verbatim copy of a newspaper obituary, so that it would, in its present form, be deleted as a copyright violation. Deor (talk) 15:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I need a favor

Resolved

I'm a veteran editor on leave from Wikipedia for school reason and would really rather not have to log back in to the site because if I do then I fear I will be compelled to edit here, and that would detrimentally effect my school grades.

I would ask that someone post this reply on the talk page of TheFarix (talk · contribs); as his page is currently semi protected, and the WP:ANIME talk page is likewise protected, I have no means to communicate with them in this isp form. The message is as follows:

(==)Re: Gundam Admirals(==)

First, please accept my thanks for the notification of the prod. As you know, many editors do not take this step and as such many contributors learn the hard way that their material was axed without there input. I am glad to see that some still go the extra mile and notify, and I am grateful for it.

On the matter of these two articles: I think that there is room to merge these characters into one article, perhaps a list of characters page. I am reluctant to see them go because these characters are essentially the UC counterparts of the Zabi kids, each of whom held a flag rank and mostly went unseen during the show. I grant that the material is fanbased, but at Milhist we hold that an officer of general/admiral rank may meet general notability guidelines, and I would like to see the articles expanded or considered for a merge before they end up axed. If you have attempted to expand and were unable to, or if you really cannot find a place to add the material, then I will not stop you from deleting the articles, but please to try to save them first. Thanks in advance, 129.108.66.140 (talk) 01:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Link to here, posted to user page. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 02:49, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate it. 75.41.167.148 (talk) 06:47, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

my article

I just want to know why was my page deleted? I had everything that it needed. I saved it. It just told me it was deleted. Can you tell me why?

coolIlike —Preceding unsigned comment added by CoolIlikeu (talk • contribs) 05:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

We have a guide to this: Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted?. I hope it will answer your question. — QuantumEleven 10:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

In addition to the general article linked above, any page deletion generally comes with a reason. However, I've looked at your contributions history, and I don't see any evidence that you've edited anything other than this page. What was the name of the article? --SPhilbrickT 15:26, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

OK I see, the Camille McLean article. Look on your talk page to see the reason.--SPhilbrickT 15:29, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't have the "move" tab

I would like to use the "move" tab to publish my userspace draft(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gkuehl1/Ralph_James_Mooney), but I don't have access. My profile shows me as a "user", but I'm not sure what level of access that gives me. Thanks! Gkuehl1 (talk) 19:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC)Gkuehl1

Moved it. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Please note that the image on that page has a possible copyright problem. You weren't notified becasue it was uploaded by someone else. Simply click on the image to see the problems.--SPhilbrickT 22:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

It has a definite copyright problem as it is lifted directly from http://www.law.uoregon.edu/faculty/jmooney/ and that's why I tagged it for speedy deletion. – ukexpat (talk) 22:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

temple page

Is there a temple page I can use so I don’t get blocked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weaverlgeorge (talk • contribs) 23:57, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether this is what you want but you can make test edits at Wikipedia:Sandbox (where others will overwrite it) or User:Weaverlgeorge/Sandbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

citations needed, seriously?

I added a section on formation in the article about boogers, copying half of it from the nasal cavity article and then common sensing the rest. Very quickly the section received a 'citation needed' warning box. According to the rules, "All direct quotations, statistics, and facts whose accuracy might be challenged require citations." The part I took from the nasal cavity article didn't appear to require a citation there, and the rest is common sense enough that I don't really think anyone would challenge its accuracy, unless that person was attempting to control the article.Neptunerover (talk) 08:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I can see why this seems counterintuitive but yes, seriously. The stuff you copied from Nasal cavity may not have had citations, but it ought to have them (it's just that no one's got round to adding them there yet either.) As a reference work, rather than an authority in our own right, Wikipedia's central principle is verifiability, not truth (here's an essay to that effect). Part of the trouble is that common sense is less common than you think. Something that seems perfectly obvious to you might be obscure to me. Happily, really common-sensical stuff is often easy to cite: there should be ample sources you could refer to. Our citations guide shows you how. Gonzonoir (talk) 09:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Infobox fail

Howdy, In trying to brush up Lipa Schmeltzer I added an infobox and I can't figure out what is wrong with it. I also added a bunch of sources on the talk page that can be used to flesh out a very sad little article. I've got to get back to work or I'd do it myself. Thanks, Joe407 (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

The ibox has been fixed. The problems were twofold: parameters are case sensitive; and you can only use the parameters that are coded into the template, you cannot add your own - they will not be displayed. – ukexpat (talk) 16:47, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

need help adding a photo to a page

need help adding a photo to a page. uploaded the image already but when i add it to the Wiki page only the name shoes up, not the image.Davemaul (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)Davemaul

If you are referring to Image:FloridaGators.png, please read WP:NFCC - the addition of the image has been reverted twice because its use does not comply with the non-free use policy. – ukexpat (talk) 18:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Do i meet the Notability guideline for music?

This Warning has appeared on a page i created.

"This article may not meet the notability guideline for music. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged or deleted. (October 2009)"

I have used newspaper articles as my references, so i don't know why the sources are considered not reliable. Toronto Star, Calgary Herald are my sources.

what should i change?

thanks burgtheburg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burgtheburg (talk • contribs) 05:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

The article, Matt Masters needs cleanup, but does not appear to have a notability problem. You should ask the person who added the notice, on his user talk page, what needs to be done. You can find who added it by looking at the article's history. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 06:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up: I converted most of the external links to citations and removed the tag. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 17:05, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Need feedback for my article "Steel Abrasives"

Hi,

I have written an informative article about Steel Abrasives. The draft is currently under my user account Kzerrin (talk) 12:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC). Before publishing

(1) Can you please give me some feedback about the article and inform me if it is okay to add a producer name for these abrasives?

(2) Can you help me upload a picture since I want to use a photo of an atomization process for steel abrasives and I have the permission of the company to use their photo. Is it okay to put it on wikipedia and what is the process for this?

3) Eventually can you help me move the article?

Thanks very much for your help!

The draft is currently at User:Kzerrin/new article name here. I will review in a moment. Before you upload, please look at the instructions set out at WP:IOWN for the process of confirming permission to use the image on Wikipedia. Once that is in process, the image can be uploaded at WP:UPLOAD, but your account must be autconfirmed before you can upload. We don't need to wait for the image upload to move the article, so if it looks OK after review, I will move it for you. – ukexpat (talk) 14:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I have reviewed the draft and moved it to Steel abrasives. There are a couple of issues, however. The article has references but no in-line citations - please see WP:CITE for help with that. Also, you need some additional references from reliable sources to support the notability of the subject matter. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 15:17, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Why Cant I safe my Book permanently?

Why Cant I safe my Book permanently? I made more than 10 Edits and I had a log on now for more than 4 days. What will I have to do to activate the fucntion to safe mu wiki book for my next log in? Pitshanger (talk) 21:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "safe my Book" but your account is not autoconfirmed yet. It is currently 3 days and 22 hours old [2] so it becomes autoconfirmed in 2 hours. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. I just logged out and in again, and my book was still available under "special pages". I say "safe my book" because I want to safe articles, and I read that after 4 days the option to safe your book permanently would be available. Until today every day I was on wiki i had to create a book all over again, but there seems to be an end to that now. Cheers. Pitshanger (talk) 21:54, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Help for creating new article from my Sandbox

I created my first article in my sandbox as instrucuted and then moved the article (again as instructed) so as to make it visible and live online. However, I wish to create a new article again using my sandbox and find that I cannot do so without altering my new, live, first article, as the two pages, that is the Sandbox and the first, live Article are linked. I cant seem to find a solution to this problem. Please advise me what to do. ThanksHappyboy1 (talk) 23:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Redirect#Navigating redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:03, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Pilates- did he study Yoga suthra of Patanjali?

Because many of his ideas seem similar to the Yoga system, could he have studied and got his ideas from the Yoga treatises?Pradhangeorge (talk) 04:08, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article Pilates. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. Gonzonoir (talk) 09:57, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

may i translate existing page?

Hello! It took me hours to find a place to ask this question. I found the "Crithmum maritimum" article very interesting, so i wish to tranlate the Spanish version into Greek, and if possible add some notes of mine. In other words, i m not trying to upload a new article or edit an old one, just add my own language page to an existing article. How can this be done? Thank you. my email: roundATholDOTgr —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.210.166.82 (talk) 09:45, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi there: it looks as though the Greek language wikipedia indeed has no article on Crithmum maritimum, so we'd be delighted if you would produce a translation. To do this, you need to create a new article on the Greek language wikipedia (at http://el.wikipedia.org). You can use the es:Crithmum maritimum version as your model and translate its text into Greek: if you do so, just place a note on the page confirming that you have done so. I can't read Greek, so I can't confirm this, but it looks as though el:Βικιπαίδεια:Μεταφράσεις has full details of the procedure for doing this on the Greek wikipedia. Does this answer your question? Gonzonoir (talk) 09:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Claim anonymous changes

Hi.

Is there any way to "claim" some changes that I made anonymously by mistake (forgot to log in)? IonutBizau (talk) 16:21, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

You can make a null edit with an edit summary that claims the changes. However, this will link your username with your IP address (which isn't really good or bad, but simply a consequence). TNXMan 16:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I thought null edits were not recorded, in the the user's contributions, page history, or recent changes? Intelligentsium 03:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

You're right of course. I meant to say dummy edit, the section just above null edit. TNXMan 03:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Please help with moving my article and references...

Hello, I have created a new page User:Theultravisitor/enjoythezoo

But I'm unable to move it, I have seeked much advice and help on making my article up to wiki standards. (Which I believe I have). The only think I am iffy on is my references, I am not sure if I did them properly... If so, can I please have help moving my article?

Thanks!

• Sorry for the duplicate, I forgot to sign my name. And I dont know how to erase this one.

Theultravisitor (talk) 01:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Looking at your article, the format and layout are good, but if it's moved into mainspace now I am concerned that it may well be quickly nominated for speedy deletion. The basic difficulty is that nowhere in this article does it assert how this band is notable enough to warrant an encyclopaedia article. Have you had a look at WP:BAND? This sets out the criteria by which the notability of musicians and bands is assessed. Going through the twelve numbered points, and looking at the info you've supplied on the band, I can't find even one of the points that the band would unambiguously satisfy. They are an unsigned act with no commercial recording credits, and the refs you supply are self-published or listings, for the most part - nothing that would qualify as the "multiple independent nontrivial coverage" Wikipedia looks for. It's obvious that you're putting a lot of effort into abiding by the guidelines in order to get your article right, and that's greatly to your credit - many people don't bother, which is the reason so many first articles are speedy deleted within minutes of appearing. But unless you can show how this band is notable under Wikipedia's definition of the term, any article you create about them will almost certainly be nominated for deletion. Karenjc 11:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Donations

To Whom it may concern

How do I go about asking for donations for a project in South Africa concerning children in a hospital

Kind regards

Val Earp-Jones <phone number redacted> 41.5.96.64 (talk) 05:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Val. The Wikimedia Foundation supports a number of its own projects (see here), including Wikipedia, but is not a grant-making body for external charities. The purpose of Wikipedia is to build an encyclopaedia, so I'm afraid it's not really the right place for an appeal of the type you wish to make. Best of luck, however. Karenjc 10:47, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

first article

if I am creating a new article do I do it using a subpage and then is there a way to make it live after I edit it? also is there a tutorial on how to edit specifically using the tools provided?Mel45 (talk) 21:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I think starting on a user subpage is a good idea.

You can find a tutorial here

Once you've checked that out, the Article Wizard is a good way to start, and will even let you start a page as a user subpage.

If you are not yet autoconfirmed when you think your article is ready, just ask here and someone will move it for you.--SPhilbrickT 01:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

inserting an external link that does not take you where it sould

I an trying to add our website to the name of our roller derby league,section under Canada,Okanagan Shuswap Roller Derby Association this is the website http://osrda.webs.com/ but once it is inserted in the text it takes the user on a diffrent page, how do I fix thisOopzy (talk) 16:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

It sometimes works and sometimes doesn't - I would blame the web page/server. You could add the page name to stop relying on the server fixing the link for you - i.e. http://osrda.webs.com/index.htm. You should note that the page renders differently in Firefox3.5 to IE8.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I dont understand why my link to my website was rejected when all the other roller derby teams have links to their web sites, it's all the same, we are a non profit organisation and we do not sell nothing on our site. Is it because we are using a free web hosting site? www.osrda.webs.com The Okanagan Shuswap Roller Derby Association is a new Canadian roller derby league. We are skater owned and operated and are a non profit organization under the Canadian Derby Association. Can you put my link back up? Oopzy (talk) 23:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

That link doesn't work for me - it just shows up page not found. The basic reason for it not working is because it's hosted on a free web server - we have a bot that automatically removes links like that. That's what left the message on your talk page. Can you give me a better link? Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 00:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

List of roller derby leagues is really not what a Wikipedia list should look like. I understand you added the link considering the lead (which is completely inappropriate) and the huge number (343) of existing external links. But adding your own site is actually against Wikipedia:External links#Advertising and conflicts of interest. The list desperately needs a huge cleanup. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

74 of those 343 external links are to MySpace. Wow. This is one of the biggest link farms I have seen in Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it beautiful?  :-] I missed the myspace ones somehow but I saw at least one facebook link. Have fun! Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 01:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Oopzy - As for having a mention of Okanagan Shuswap Roller Derby Association, if your league exists and a reliable source for it can be found (e.g., mainstream press coverage specifically about the league), then it can be in the list of leagues. You'll need to provide a citation to the press coverage, and include the year it was founded. By being listed, your league will help the list fulfill its objectives of supplementing the history of roller derby article and summarizing the growth of roller derby as an organized sport, with minimal bias. The list is not there to help you self-promote.

As for having a link to your league's site, that's different, and I apologize if the list's lead/intro misrepresented the situation. First, your link was hosted on an anonymous free hosting service, which is generally discouraged, if not outright banned, from being linked to from Wikipedia. Second, unless you're the subject of the article you want to put your link on, then you really shouldn't have a link to your site at all. Third, with that in mind, all the individual league links will be going away sooner or later. The fact that other leagues in the list have (or had) links to their sites is irrelevant; that's not what the list is for. All of those links were to what we call "primary sources" (firsthand, self-published info), and as such are low-quality references. They aren't useless, though; many have portals to or archives of press coverage and other info which can be used for verification of the league's existence and ascertaining their notability, and it's our mission (it can be yours, too!) to replace the links with proper citations of such press coverage. So, the links are only temporary stop-gaps that we handful of maintainers have been allowing, until we have time to prune them and get better references. It's a big project, and it's unfortunate that time is taken up dealing with discussion like this instead of more constructive conversations with people who are interested in the sport and who aren't just out to get another "barnstar" for heroic deletions. Given our limited time and energy, replacing links with newspaper citations to satisfy these easily distracted bureaucrats really is not that important in the grand scheme of things. Getting creation dates for all the newer leagues is more important, as is discussing stricter criteria for getting listed, and getting more people on board with an interest in the topic and who aren't just trying to self-promote.

PrimeHunter - As for the existence and content of the lead, originally there was no lead, just the discussion page which nobody looked at before adding their MySpace links. To try to address this, a lead was added, and this is entirely within reason because WP:LIST and especially WP:STAND#Lead and selection criteria encourage creating a lead which has unambiguous, explicit info about criteria for the list, when the criteria isn't obvious (as it didn't seem to be). I started with a verbose lead, and its appropriateness was discussed last year at Talk:List of roller derby leagues/Archive 1#Links and lists. That discussion led to a paring down of the text quite a bit. If it needs more work, please raise the topic on the current discussion page.

On that note, if anyone would like to help those of us with a genuine interest in the roller derby content on Wikipedia formulate a stricter notability policy for sports leagues in general and for roller derby leagues in particular, then please, let's get that ball rolling again in the appropriate venues! But until then, I'm more concerned with just keeping incoming additions manageable while we pick away at the low-hanging fruit. A lead which gently reminds people that notability & verifiability require them to cite a newspaper seems to be harmless, although I admit it hasn't been very effective (new contributions to the list from newcomers seem to be just as bad as they were before the lead was added, the OP being a case in point). Nevertheless, I'd like to see some real discussion and participation in making lists like this one better, rather than purely bureaucratic deletionism without regard for the consequences thereof. —mjb (talk) 06:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

You came here after reading this post where I wrote: "the inappropriate lead refers in part to Wikipedia:Self-references to avoid". I don't see how you could read that guideline or just its nutshell and think the lead of the current version [3] of the list is OK, so I guess you didn't look at the guideline. The lead refers and links to no less than six non-article pages at Wikipedia. I see you have reverted [4] an attempt to remove it.[5] Another discussion is whether merely existing is too low a bar to set for inclusion in such a list. Wikipedia is not a directory. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I acknowledge both of those topics, as well as the off-topicness of discussing it here, in my response above. To further explain: the person who deleted the lead did so without citing a specific policy or suggesting a way to improve it, and without acknowledging the discussion and WP:LSC guideline and maintenance burden which led to its creation. Given its failure to result in better behavior by contributors such as the original poster in this thread, I'm more than willing to refactor it as needed or even remove it, but I don't think it's asking too much for concrete proposals or at least another relevant style guideline I can work from. To that end, I thank you for pointing out WP:SELF, which I wasn't aware of. I will take that into account and you can expect it to look better very soon. [Update – the lead has now been rewritten for better adherence to WP:LSC and WP:SELF. Thanks again.] As for mere existence (with citations) as the bar for inclusion, my undiscussed, no-consensus preference would be to require that a reliable source be found to show that the league has engaged in public competition. However while that standard would be a good one to apply to the newer leagues, it's actually harder to come by for the historical leagues (even the most well-known ones), and in any case a discussion for another forum. —mjb (talk) 00:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

email notice of changes to article

I would like email notice of changes to article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irvdiamod (talk • contribs) 04:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC) Irvdiamod (talk) 04:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Your Watchlist is available as an RSS or Atom feed; links for it should be on the left side of your screen on that page. There are probably feed reader services which periodically check a given feed and email you with the updates. Someone here might be able to recommend one. A Google search for rss-to-email also reveals some candidates. —mjb (talk) 06:49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

New article help

Hello, will someone move my article about basketball coach Ralph Tasker - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Knr47/Ralph_Tasker - into mainspace? I am aware of the 4 day/10 edit threshold, but unless edits of my own drafts count (which I doubt), it will probably take me much longer than 4 days to get a move button of my own. Thanks in advance, Knr47 (talk) 08:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Edits to any page on Wikipedia, including your own drafts, count towards the 10 edits needed to be autoconfirmed. You have more than ten edits, so when your account is at least four days old, you'll be able to move it yourself. Would you still like someone to move the article into mainspace now so you don't have to wait a few more days to do it yourself? --Mysdaao ^talk 13:20, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, I've moved it now, you may want to request deletion for User:Knr47/Ralph Tasker, to do this simply add {{db-user}} to the page, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 13:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I have cleaned it up a little and removed the review template. – ukexpat (talk) 17:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Help needed at Wikipedia:Requests for feedback

We have both this page, and a similar one Wikipedia:Requests for feedback. For whatever reasons, this one seems to be better patrolled. If you like to help, and are chafing because this page seems caught up, here are some requests for feedback as yet unfulfilled:

• Obama Conspiracy Theories the web site
• Marc_Israel
• Hassaan_Namdar
• Interactive_Design_Institute
• XAND
• UN_Slavery_Memorial

And this has some feedback, but needs more:

• Primer_dimer

Thanks in advance --SPhilbrickT 23:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Would it be worth changing the suggested criteria for posting there up at the top of RfC? Namely, changing "This page is intended to provide comments and constructive criticism about articles that you have created or substantially changed." An add "if this if you first page..." or the like instead. Just a thought. It might help separate the traffic appropriate. This is a bigger stretch, but in some of the welcome or construction templates we could create a WP:FIRSTPAGE and redirect to here, opening the possibility of a split in requests here like there different categories for listings on the same page similar to WP:SPI; here being Questions vs Feedback? ♪ daTheisen(talk) 23:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I may be missing your point, but I don't think the problem is the people asking for help. I think they are, roughly speaking, in the right place. What I think has happened is a matter of speculation, because I haven't really been around long enough to be sure. I think that people willing to help out gravitate to places needing help. So people who are good at answering general reference questions will hang out at the reference desk, while people able or willing to help out with Wikipedia questions are more apt to check the Help desk or the New Contributors help desk.

The Feedback desk didn't get a lot of traffic, so a few people wandering by once in a while were enough to take up the slack. However, the very successful Article Wizard includes advice to check at the Feedback desk. The advice is appropriate, but the popularity of the Wizard means the number of requests there has skyrocketed (I did a rough survey, and I think it is up tenfold.). I spend some time there, as do some others, but we aren't keeping up with the requests. I've addressed it a couple times by posting here. I'm hoping a few will become regulars there. I think it is as simple as the following - if you decided to spend some time helping people looking for help - where would you go? "Help" is the obvious answer, and the main help page has a link to two help desk, but not the feedback page. Maybe we should just add the link to the help page. --SPhilbrickT 00:43, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Please help with moving my article and references...

Hello, I have created a new page User:Theultravisitor/enjoythezoo

But I'm unable to move it, I have seeked much advice and help on making my article up to wiki standards. (Which I believe I have). The only think I am iffy on is my references, I am not sure if I did them properly... If so, can I please have help moving my article?

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theultravisitor (talk • contribs) 01:45, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

 Done by Theultravisitor Tim1357 (talk) 00:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Contributing Bird Sounds

I have recorded calls of more than 75 species of birds in Rajasthan, India which I want to download on corresponding pages of these species on Wikipedia. How to download these sounds ? Thanks R G Soni —Preceding unsigned comment added by RAM GOPAL SONI (talk • contribs) 03:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe you mean upload. Uploading can only be done by autoconfirmed users, i.e., users with >10 edits and who have been here for four days. If you can't wait that long, Images for Upload might consider handling a request for other media types. Otherwise, there's always WikiMedia Commons. You can also request the Confirmed flag at WP:RFPERM; if you provide a valid reason, the administrators are pretty lenient about granting it. Intelligentsium 03:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, if you are willing to license these bird recordings freely, then the Wikimedia Commons is the preferred place. You do not need to be autoconfirmed in order to upload there. Tim1357 (talk) 00:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

No move tab?

Hello,

I have a new draft of an article I wrote about one of my favorite authors. How do I get it moved to the main site? My account is new so I do not have a move tab. It is called Andreldritch/HP Newquist.

Thank you in advance.

Andre

Andreldritch (talk) 03:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC) AE

See WP:AUTOCONFIRMED. To prevent abuse at Wikipedia, new accounts must gain some experience at Wikipedia before using certain functions. You will automagically be able to move pages when you have been at Wikipedia for 4 days and have made 10 edits. Your wikipedia birthday is 23:47, November 9, 2009 and as of this writing, you have made 2 edits. So, after 8 more edits and after 23:47, November 13, 2009 you will be able to move. Take the 4 days to play around a Wikipedia a bit, edit some articles and get to know Wikipedia's various conventions, style, policies, and guidelines. I will leave a welcome template on your page so you can get some basic links to getting started at Wikipedia. --Jayron32 04:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Before your draft article is moved, please read WP:BIO and WP:RS. Newquist may well be notable, but the draft needs some references to reliable sources to support notability and those references will have to be cited.  – ukexpat (talk) 16:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

The refs look better now. Final question before it is moved - he is commonly known as HP Newquist rather than Harvey P. Newquist? – ukexpat (talk) 18:32, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Andre has said on his talk page he'd like to move it himself in a day or two. First article and all. --Floquenbeam (talk) 04:31, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Dunno where to put this really...need to ask it though....

I admit, I'm a new editor. But what's the deal with some users biting new users' head's off? I mean, I haven't been on the site for more then a week as an registered user and I've gotten my account (ChristianBenvenuto) my old one at least marked as a suspect in an SPI case when I retracted a statement I thought was off-topic.

All I'm trying to do on this site is to get a start, and I'm getting chewed on. I admit, my english and grammar are alot better then most new users but it came with years of forum experience.

Can anyone explain to me why some users can be so robotic or strict?

If this is in the wrong place, I'm sorry but it's something I'm very worried about.76.112.232.50 (talk) 03:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC) Sorry, this was made by me! forgot to check if I was logged in! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThemeParker (talk • contribs) 03:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I looked at the contributions and log of ChristianBenvenuto and I didn't see anything against the account and (I at least) don't know why you couldn't continue to use it if you wanted to. Well, it seems the puppet matter isn't official so I can appreciate wanting to get away. However!-- I must warn about having control of 2 accounts at the same time as 1 person. Since you're a new editor (and apparently not ashamed to admit it!), I can give you good faith on that and have an admin look past it (I personally can't do much).

I have some questions about the SPI matter, but if they all sort themselves outI must, however, ask you how this[6] came to be as your first two posts on that account; posting and immediately deleting. Then there's this[7] which was apparently another account you've tried to use in the past? Even if no, that's an interesting reason someone would keep an account. There's also a 22.x IP which might fit in. Since in that all a school is mentioned I figure this might be a complicated situation, but it's a little confusing that those accounts all edited backwards through the previous. If you've nothing to hide, then you can assume the checkuser will settle the issue. It might look like biting, but that does look like exceptionally strange circumstances in a mix of fairly new accounts.

Is there any specific content you've contributed that was deleted? Mistakes can happen and opinions on some issues vary between editors... that's a lot less complicated an issue to sort out and you can head over to WP:UNDELETE to get going on having your articles restored. ♪ daTheisen(talk) 05:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

You asked, "Can anyone explain to me why some users can be so robotic or strict?"

Editors are admonished not to WP:BITE new editors, precisely to avoid the problems you are having. So why did it happen? The flip side is that there are many, many examples of sockpuppets, which can do real harm. In recent months, there have been a few examples of administrators who have been sockpuppets. This has been quite painful, and many realize we haven't been as diligent as necessary to uncover sockpuppets. Unfortunately, working harder to find possible sockpuppets inevitably means that mistakes will be made. I don't want this to sound cavalier - being accused unfairly is quite annoying, but I did want you to understand it isn't simply happening because people with nothing better to do are accusing others of sockpuppetry - there have been real issues.--SPhilbrickT 18:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Paul Casanova

Hi:

In the Raul Casanova's biography, it appears like his father Paul died; I found tha t Paul Casanova is alive( he's a former major league baseball player)and his son too. Can you help me with this? Thank you.

Jose —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.204.58.143 (talk) 16:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I can find no indication that the former baseball player Paul Casanova is the father of Raul Casanova. This report from last year says that Raul's father indeed died and that his name was Raul Casanova, Sr.—not Paul. Deor (talk) 20:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Moving a draft

Hello, I would like help with moving a biography article to the mainspace. The article is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jakesnider/Richard_Stephen_Snider_Sr.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakesnider (talk • contribs) 09:14, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help, but I'm confused, could you clarify what you'd like help with? Mr. Prez (talk) 13:57, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I have moved User:Jakesnider/Richard Stephen Snider Sr. to Richard Stephen Snider Sr.. You weren't able to do this because your account is not yet autoconfirmed: you will gain the ability to move pages, and make other edits restricted to confirmed users, when you've made at least 10 edits and been here at least 4 days. Gonzonoir (talk) 14:13, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Was Mr Snider commonly known as "Dick Snider"? If so, the article should probably at that name rather than the full name. For the moment I have created a redirect at Dick Snider. – ukexpat (talk) 18:25, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that is the name under which he wrote his column. I chose to use his full name, though it may be more appropriate to use Dick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakesnider (talk • contribs) 23:23, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

In that case I will move the article to Dick Snider over the redirect. – ukexpat (talk) 15:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ukexpat - sorry, I should've thunk of that :) Gonzonoir (talk) 22:01, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

multipurpose

Request unclear

 – --Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 13:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

im using jspwiki for single purpose like for one topic i want to create 2nd topic ie not related to first topic means the user can't be able to see the topic1 .how can i do this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mamathawiki (talk • contribs) 11:37, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Huh?--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 13:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid Wikipedia has no connection with JSPWiki. There does seem to be a support page for JSPWiki here, so you'd probably do better asking for help there. Karenjc 18:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Yanna Kubic new page

Hello, I have just written a short piece on the artist 'Yanna Kubic' but can't move it as I have no 'move' button. Can you please review and move it for me please. Thankyou.Peter Emery (talk) 22:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the article for you. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I would like to make a link to it under 'K' on 'the contemporary artists' page. Is this possible. Thankyou.Peter Emery (talk) 22:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

You created the page as Yanna Kubic, so it doesn't need to be moved, it's already where it should be! (Nope, not correct, Fuhgettaboutit moved it.) You can edit List of contemporary artists directly to insert a link. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 23:54, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

(e/c) I don't think you should do so... at least not yet. The article on Yanna Kubic ‎you created cites no sources verifying the content and showing notability, much less that she has shown at "contemporary art exhibitions of worldwide importance". I think, if the article is improved sufficiently to substantiate those threshold requirements, then, and only then, would it be suitable for addition to List of contemporary artists.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

GO VS Search Function

I completed my first article yesterday. When i go into Wikipedia and type in the name & hit search, it does not come up. However when I hit GO, the article appears.

Is this a matter that the article may still be under some sort of review or what is the reason?

Thank youDigby scallops (talk) 03:17, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

PS In reading other posts, Was I supposed to somehow move the finished article to Mainspace & if so, how do i do this?Digby scallops (talk) 03:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

The Go button finds pages by the exact title you type in the database, if it exists, though it will also post search results if it fails to find a page. Search, by contrast, looks through pages that have been indexed. It can take a fair bit of time for new pages to be indexed by Wikipedia—just be patient. As for moving the article, you probably read somewhere about moving articles to the mainspace from the user namespace when an article was worked on as a subpage. This is inapplicable here because you created the article directly in the mainspace. Any page created without a prefix is automatically placed in the mainspace, where articles reside (making it the default namespace). All other namespaces take a prefix. For example, all user pages are prefixed by "User:", their talk pages by "User talk:" templates by "Template:" and various types of internal administrative pages by "Wikipedia:" (such as this page). Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Process

what is the process of conversion of gas into solid called? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.173.238 (talk) 14:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

You might find what you are looking for in the article about Deposition (physics). If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. TNXMan 14:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

New Page for a Company

Hi there,

I work for a medium-sized corporation that for some reason, does not have a wikipedia page yet. I new to this, but I understand that a company needs to first be qualified for a wiki, which I believe we are. (We're mentioned in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and trade publications like Advertising Age on a daily basis; Our top competitors all have wikipedia pages; Several large publishers and trade magazines have published profile stories about our company) I also understand that the page in no way should be "PR" or contain "marketing" language, which is why I'm asking for help :)

How should we get started?

Cheers,

Clark

--ClarkFred (talk) 17:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

You may want to read the notability guideline for companies, as well as the guidelines on conflict of interest. What is your company called? I can create an article for you.--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 17:55, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Also note that a company doesn't "have" an article here, since nobody "owns" an article. Some companies have become notable enough that somebody has written about them; some have not - some have (so far) fallen between the cracks, so to speak. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Help!

I give up! I have been trying to update the article about the Eugene Water & Electric Board and am having the hardest time.

I am the web editor and write all content for the utility's website. I copied some of the text to create our Wikipedia page. I edited it, but only slightly. This was immediately pulled for copyright violations. Why? I wrote it. It is non promotional?

Secondly, I uploaded our logo and photo of our building. We own both images. Again, I got a note about media copyright. I cannot figure out what and how I need to do to these images to make them acceptable.

Also, whoever commented on my page noted that I was not using the Show preview and Show changes buttons. Everytime I clicked on those, I lost my work. The only way that I could find to check my work was by saving it. It could be a function of our environment, as we are ultra security conscious and many sites are blocked. Either that, or something wasn't working right. Do you have any solutions?

Can someone call me? I am finding it hard to communicate when questions and answers are a day apart.

When I get messages on my talk page, is this from an official Wikipedia editor? I am not sure who is making the calls about copyright issues.

While I understand HTML and CSS, I find Wikipedia code really hard. Do you need to be a developer to use this?

Katie Sproles, Web Editor, Eugene Water & Electric Board--Ksproles (talk) 20:39, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

We only have your word for it that you are who you say you are and for that reason there is a process for releasing copyright materials for use on Wikipedia, please see WP:IOWN. Even if the materials are released, the article must still comply with our policies and other guidance such as WP:NPOV, WP:SPAM and WP:RS. Other editors have been trying to help on your talk page. Please read and follow their advice. – ukexpat (talk) 20:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Notibility

I have edited something of Wiki but now it says this article may not meet the "general notablity guideline". How do I go about fixing this? I tried to read what is said but it's too confusing. I know the information I have published is true because I know the person whose page I am editing. Please help. Thank you. ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmbgemini (talk • contribs) 21:16, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

A credible source should be given for any information on a living person! Is there a book peer reviewed journal or newspaper giving the information you added? If the person is notable you will find a nespaper saying: This person did this and has achived that and here you go .... Tis person is notable! If nobody ever wrote anything about that person and no newspaper ever credited that person for anything than ... this person is not notable. --Stone (talk) 21:23, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Please take a look at WP:BIO, WP:RS and WP:SPAM. – ukexpat (talk) 21:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

i made a topic

its about me. its called Bendanna. tell me how to make it look coolBendanna (talk) 09:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Various editors have been communicating with you on your talk page regarding the articles you have created. Unfortunately they do not meet various Wikipedia guidelines, including those on notability and conflicts of interest, and they have been nominated for speedy deletion. Please read the messages on your talk page and the guidance recommended to you before recreating them. Karenjc 11:52, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Hermesetas

Dear Sir,

I want clarification about the above product, that Hermesetas, Aspartame and Sacchrin are one and same or not.

Awaiting your early reply.

My id is <email redacted>

Thanks & Regards Narendra Astik —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.170.38.98 (talk) 09:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I have deleted the email address you left here, as Refdesk replies cannot be made by off-Wikipedia means. Hermesetas is a brand name of the Hermes Sweeteners company and can refer to more than one of their products. In the UK, Hemesetas sweeteners are composed of saccharin, whereas Hermesetas Gold contain a blend of aspartame, cyclamate and saccharin (see here). The same site offers information about Hermesetas products in other countries. As you will see if you consult our aspartame and saccharin articles, they are two different substances, and cyclamate is different again. There is a useful disambiguation page at Sweetener which offers links to a number of related articles. Karenjc 11:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Laser-Scan Ltd

The original article seems to have been removed and refers the reader to Redevers. Can I resubmit an entry on Laser-Scan Ltd? Trerceiri (talk) 17:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you give a link to the pages you mean? There has never been articles on the English Wikipedia named Laser-Scan Ltd or Redevers. Thanks. --Mysdaao ^talk 18:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

removing wikify messagebox

I just revised an entry which had been flagged with a wikify messagebox. I removed the messagebox from the entry. Instructions seem to suggest I should also remove the title from the list of articles needing to be wikified. I cannot find this entry in the list so I wonder if I am looking in the right place. Secondly, is this the correct procedure? Alawa (talk) 20:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Placement of a template such as {{wikify}} automatically places the article in an assocated category or categories. Once you remove the template the page is automatically removed from any category page(s) the template placed it in. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

By the way, the edit you made to Transient epileptic amnesia is a very impressive edit—especially for a new user. If you need any help or have other questions, please feel free to stop by my talk page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

linking problem

I have found a link that is intending to go to a page that does not exist but instead goes to a page with the same name, but the wrong content. How can I make it so the wikipedia link will just be red and avoid confusion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cigsmoker (talk • contribs) 20:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello Cigsmoker. You would pipe the red link to the name of the article that has not yet been created. To know what name to pipe to, I suggest you go read WP:NAME, but for an example, if an article exists about a person, and a different person of the same name doesn't have an article (and should) and that person is notable as a biologist, the name of the red link would be John Doe (biologist). Thus, you would create the red link with the code: [[John Doe (biologist)|John doe]]. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Help!

Hello. I am one of the "newbies" you mention. First, allow me to say that the layout of material on edting in "Wikipedia" seems unduly complicated. Frequently,I find I am totally mystified about how to handle a problem. I plan to read more of the introductory material/tutorials..to try to unravel just what is going on here, but my initial impression is that this is a counterintutitive set-up.

One question..

I have noticed at times..e.g., in the article on Lee Oswald, a bracketed note that a passage requires a date. Yet, when I click "edit," and the page comes up again, I see that someone HAS already inserted a date. How come the originally encountered form does not show the date supplied? Incidentally, in the example cited, I see that the date supplied is off by one year..as plainly shown by the date of publication of a source shown way at the end of the article. Does this qualify as a "minor edit?" How about correction of clearly improper English usage and poor punctuation usage? (aside from quotes, of course)

I have been finding some material in the articles to be terrifically slanted. I assume my "correction" of this would be to add my own paragraph after the offending one, with proper attribution? If so, then, how do I add a superscript number (and then get all the other citations to "fit in" with the addition)? THANKS.

Doc 23:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I do not know where my "talk page" is. And, I would prefer that people email me, frankly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zounds456 (talk • contribs) 23:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Your talk page is right here. If you see a tag^{[like this one]} whose concern has been addressed, you may remove it. Most tags are added manually, and must also be removed manually. Correcting grammar and poor punctuation is a minor edit, as is correcting an incorrect date, and can be marked as such. However, "slanted" (I assume you mean POV) material should be removed, but only with an informative edit summary, or some users may mistake your removal for vandalism. Superscript numbers are added by using <ref> tags: simply type <ref>Insert footnote text here</ref>, and "Insert footnote text here" will be inserted at the bottom of the page (see WP:REF and WP:FOOT). The superscript numbers are added automatically. For example, if I type the text before, it produces

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Intelligentsium 00:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! When trying to figure out how Wikipedia coding works, it's often helpful to look at the code of existing articles. You have indicated you already know how to do this. I've probably learned most of the coding by looking at some odd feature in an article, wondering "how did they do that?", and then clicking the "edit" tab to see how it was done. You can always copy from coding in other articles as an example. Hope the reply from Intelligentium above was helpful in explaining references. If you need more help, just ask! --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 16:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I am also a newbie. I seem to be lost in the wealth of information to which I am exposed. I do not understand some of what I am reading, though I thought I was well educated! How do I ask a simple question? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bevgon (talk • contribs) 18:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Possible conflict of interest in addition of page.

I have written a piece of freeware software for windows which should fit nicely into the same category as a number of other similar applications all of which have descriptive pages here on wikipedia. I realise that it is an obvious conflict of interest here (at the very least one of self promotion).

Regardless of my motives I think that a WikiPedia page on my software would (provided that it is impartial) be useful to users of WikiPedia as my software is one member of small group of similar applications. I also fully undestand that I would not be able to control the fate of the page or its contents once it is created.

How would I go about adding such a page? I assume it should at the very least be reviewed by an impartial editor. I would be the first to acknowledge that my software has a number of flaws (and would have no problem outlining them on the page).

I'm new to wikipedia so any pointers would be welcome.

Best Regards,

HilarityEnsues (talk) 20:59, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Is your software an established piece of software released in the wider world and written about by uninvolved people? Encyclopedia articles are written from reliable sources that have been published by uninvolved people. Such sources verify the content and show notability. A proper article here, thus, contains a references section and has citations throughout the article showing where the information comes from so readers can verify the content. So, it is not a matter of whether it would be useful or interesting material, it is a matter of the type of reference work an encyclopedia is, and because of that, what belongs inside it. Please also read our page policy on original research. In short, nothing new should ever be announced or described through a Wikipedia article. All of our content comes from already existing primary and secondary sources, while we are a tertiary source.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the information. The first version of my software was released in 2002 and has been written about academically by me as well as referenced in some 40+ academic publications by others since. In this sense it is not original research. I think I will proceed and create the page (I will of course take pains to follow wikipedia conventions, citing my sources etc.) and we will see how it will be received.HilarityEnsues (talk) 09:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Also have a read of WP:COI. From that you will also note that it's a good idea to place some text on the article talk page explaining your situation.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 17:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

creating pages

How do i make my page "notable" ? S-bbrewster (talk) 22:50, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Briefly, you must source it using independent reliable sources. For a great guide on how to get started, read the info on this page. TNXMan 23:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Correcting a spurious link

I've started a discussion on the "Iverson Award" page but I have no idea how to stop a link going to an incorrect reference page? I could really use some help please? Please read my discussion entry on the "Iverson Award" page for a fuller explanation. Thanks. CPN (talk) 00:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I've changed the link to point to Donald B. McIntyre, which is where a new article could be created for the correct person. --Mysdaao ^talk 02:43, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

First article - I don't want to break any rules!

Hi, I have just written my first article for Wikipedia about the Bradford Robotic Telescope. I would really appreciate it if somebody with more experience of these things could have a look and point me in the right direction if I have done anything wrong. You can find the article here User:Djbog/Bradford Robotic Telescope. I can easily add images of the instruments etc. if people think it would be useful. Djbog (talk) 21:32, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

It looks like you're off to a great start. I would say the last step is to integrate some coverage of the telescope, using reliable sources. TNXMan 23:02, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, I have referenced the article. If it is suitable for the 'big time' can somebody confirm that it is suitable to move to the mainspace? I am happy to move it myself, or if somebody would like to move it for me that would be appreciated. Djbog (talk) 12:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Moved. The article is at Bradford Robotic Telescope. Thanks for creating it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:49, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

And I added it to the BRT disambiguation page. – ukexpat (talk) 16:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Jewish Boxers

You omitted Abie Bain from Newark, NJ He fought Maxie Rosenbloom and lost in a decision. Ended up as a HOllywood bit player in many, many films. He was a close friend of my family, anhd lived with us in Los Angeles when he first came out to California. Go to GOOGLE,and look up Abie Bain. Jerry Perchesky Banning,California —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.198.9 (talk) 03:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no article on the English Wikipedia for Abie Bain. The category Category:Jewish boxers is for people with articles already. An article can only be added to the category by adding the category name to the article itself. If you believe Abie Bain is notable enough for an article, you are welcome to create an account and create an article for him yourself, because any one with an account can create a new article on Wikipedia. --Mysdaao ^talk 13:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Clarification on external links to avoid ?

I was hoping for some clarification on external links to be avoided WP:ELNO. I spend a lot of time on the actor pages. Regarding any "famous people" pages, it is obvious to me that fan sites should be avoided. I was curious about some other types of links, though, before I delete them unnecessarily. When, if ever, are these links allowed when they belong to the person the article is about?

• Subject’s Facebook or MySpace
• Subject’s Twitter account
• Subject’s blog
• TV.com entry. Is this really relevant? The entries are usually empty or copies of Wiki data. Almost everyone has an IMDB page already.

I don’t want to delete valid external links, but to me these all should be avoided. While these are mentioned in the WP:ELNO guidelines, it weren't clear to me what to do when these accounts belong to the subject of the article. Technically they are controlled by the subject of the article according to WP:ELOFFICIAL guidelines. I’d appreciate any help/input/comments. Thanks so much. Logical Fuzz (talk) 22:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

This sounds like a proposal, or a policy-related question. Please see WP:VPPR for the former, and WP:VPP for the latter. You may also note that we have a policy that states you can edit boldly (in good faith, of course) to improve the encyclopaedia without fear of repercussions, so if you believe these links are detracting from the articles, start a discussion, or in blatantly inappropriate cases, remove them! Intelligentsium 23:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

If the subject doesn't have a unique website of their own, then the one link allowed to the subject's own site could go to their Facebook, MySpace or LiveJournal if that's all they have; but just to one, ideally the one with the most content. A Twitter page is unlikely to contain anything of substance. (I'm always inclined to wonder about the notability of somebody in the entertainment industry without their own website, but that's just me.) If the TV.com entry contributes nothing, then hack back the linkfarm. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:32, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

changing the title of an article

As a new contributor I made a minor change in an article, but the title of the article really should be changed as well (for consistency and because it much better reflexes the intent of the article: the curreent title is misleading. I can't figure out how to change a title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluecor (talk • contribs) 22:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

To which page were you referring? To correct the title, articles must be moved to the correct title, but your account must be autoconfirmed first (which means that it has been active for four days and made at least ten edits). TNXMan 22:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Fit seeking jump bid? – ukexpat (talk) 16:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

title was "Fit seeking jump bid" to be changed to "Fit showing jump bid" because this is how these jump bids are referred to in the Bridge literature. I'm not autoconfirmed. Also have not figured out how to create/access a talk page to request this change.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluecor (talk • contribs)

The talk page is accessible by clicking the Discussion tab at the top of the article page. I have made the move request for you. – ukexpat (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Help needed with editing a page

Hello, I am a new contributor with little experience in this type of thing, so I ask for your patience in advance. I am an older lady who is a technophobe.

I have written an article on bamboo massage and it needs to be improved but I have no idea how to do what is being asked. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_massage

If there are other editors who are willing to help so that the article is correct, I would greatly appreciate it and welcome any assistance.DLLAUS (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

According to our records, you have never edited Wikipedia except to ask this question. There have been two articles about bamboo massage. The first, created by User:Bamboo Massage, was deleted as a copyright violation. The second, created by User:Bamboo Massage again, was deleted as blatant advertisement. Are you User:Bamboo Massage? --Orange Mike | Talk 21:18, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello,

Yes, I had to change the user name as it was banned.

All I am simply trying to do is write an article on bamboo masssage. There are articles on other massage modalities, stone, crystal etc.

I had no intentions of advertising, I am genuinly trying to give information on the technique itself.

I am simply asking that someone helps me rewrite it so that it is suitable. Are you saying that I can't write an article on a subject that I am knowledgeable about because I have a business that sells massage kits? If so then perhaps someone else could write the article and submit it. I explained that in the orginial bamboo massage I put the link to the site because I wanted to prove that I had written it and it was not copyright. I am very new at all of this. And basically have no idea what I'm doing.

I also sell crystals and stones along with many other accessories. I am not trying to promote my business as I do that successfully already.

I am really just trying to add facutal information regarding this modality.

I would appeciate your help. And will be happily guided by those of you who are more experienced.

Thank you.

It appears the page has now been deleleted. DLLAUS (talk) 22:47, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

What you need to do is to find some neutral, independent, substantial, and reliable source material, such as peer reviewed academic journals, independent magazines, newspapers, or books from reputable publishers, things like that, and uses those sources to write a neutrally-worded article on the subject, and you need to cite the sources you use in the article itself. The article should be written under a tone which does not take a position on the subject itself, but merely reports on the existance and facts about the subject. There is a chance that there is no source material which is neutral, independent, substantial, and reliable which cover the subject, in that case it may not be an appropriate subject matter for Wikipedia. As a general tip, creating a new article from scratch is the hardest thing to do correctly at Wikipedia. If you are interested in joining in as a regular Wikipedia editor, it would be best to start small by editing existing articles which need expansion or clean-up, and once you learn the standards and practices here a bit better, then consider to start creating new articles. --Jayron32 23:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.

I will paste a link, could you tell me if this is the type of reference material you require.

http://books.google.com.au/books?hl=en&lr=&id=0C_gMnmhMf4C&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=chinese+medicine+bamboo+massage+&ots=HaVAOTSJQv&sig=6SrdrdihiIa09xYV7-W-UyqG530#v=onepage&q=chinese%20medicine%20bamboo%20massage&f=false

and

http://aim.bmj.com/content/16/1/49.abstract

and

http://books.google.com.au/books?hl=en&lr=&id=51Ikuts7ObkC&oi=fnd&pg=PA19&dq=chinese+medicine+bamboo+massage+&ots=XZFcgnm_XJ&sig=Xj3kx6u08qJy9iyFoDS1gxASY9w#v=onepage&q=chinese%20medicine%20bamboo%20massage&f=false

Regards DeborahDLLAUS (talk) 00:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

The first appears to be a book about cupping therapy, which does not appear related to "bamboo massage". Skimming that book, I find no references to the phrase "bamboo massage". It would be a very good reference for the Wikipedia article on cupping, which already exists, but does not appear to be about your subject. The second link is an abstract to a journal article which appears to be about incorporating traditional chinese medical techiniques in western medical training in a specific university program, but bamboo massage does not appear to be discussed in detail, if at all though other tehcniques are. The third is another general overview of traditional chinese medicine, but near as I can tell by searching the book, the phrase "bamboo massage" does not appear at all. None of the references you just gave actually seem to discuss bamboo massage, indeed the don't even seem to use the phrase "bamboo massage" at all. I still don't see any reliable source which discuss the technique directly. --Jayron32 04:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Lost my contribution

Hello, I was contributing an article " Fuller Landau" and when I went upload an image, I was unable to return, nor find the page that I just created, please help-I just 3 hours working on it. Thank you Andreas Pollmueller Apollmueller (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

You probably forgot to click the save button. I suggest that you create a draft first in a user subpage, such as User:Apollmueller/Fuller Landau - I have created the subpage for you and put a link to it on your user page. – ukexpat (talk) 21:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

And if it's this Fuller Landau, please read WP:CORP, WP:RS, WP:SPAM and WP:YFA. – ukexpat (talk) 22:01, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

The only thing you saved before your message, was a very short edit to the sandbox testing page. Use your personal sandbox (as created by Ukexpat above) to create an article. And save it frequently! --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 22:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

software listings

Hello,

I've noticed that there are many Wikipedia pages that have software products by name listed. An example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PDF_software

When I've tried to include another software product in this list (correctly listed in the right section and category) it is consistently removed.

Trying to understand why some vendors and products may be list on these type of pages (clearly reference pages) and other can not.

Why are some company bio pages permitted to exist and others are not?

I do understand this is not a commerical site, but if products by names are present it does seem unfair to not list all, especially those that have market appeal and are "free". Believe the intent of this specific page is to be a valid resource and therefore a more complete list is a good thing - right?

Are there guidelines for this? Or is it based on financial contributions made, etc?

For specific topics like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanitization_(classified_information) the content is somewhat dated and technology is now available from Adobe and many other vendors to automate and/or improve redaction techniques and best practices. That information is useful to know, but how does one find the balance of keeping content like this informative without also including commerical aspects? Are there guidelines for this. I am an expert in redaction technology and best practices, but to talk about it is difficult to not include vendor product names.

Questions from a rookie. Sorry.

Thanks,

Capsilver. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Capsilver (talk • contribs) 04:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a directory and does not want to list everything that exists. Such lists are often only intended for entries which already have their own linked Wikipedia article. Sometimes other entries are added by an editor and later deleted by other editors. List of PDF software starts: "This list of PDF software includes links to articles on computer software used to manage PDF documents." See Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) for requirements for a product to get its own article. See also Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. Both free and commercial products are allowed and have to satisfy the same notability requirements. Financial contributions are irrelevant. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:43, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Helpme

helpme —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cutemodel4u (talk • contribs) 15:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

With what do you need help? TNXMan 15:58, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

User name question

We forgot to put the word: The in front of Andromeda Corp. Andromeda Corp. (talk) 16:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean in your username? The procedure for changing those is set out at Wikipedia:Changing username, but you should be aware that "role" accounts used by multiple people (as your "we" suggests this one is) are not permitted, and that promotional usernames are also forbidden (so you should not edit in the name of a commercial interest). See WP:USERNAME for details. Gonzonoir (talk) 17:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Translating question

I am interested in translating some English articles into Tok Pisin. How do I add Tok Pisin as a translation of other pages? Αδελφος (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The Tok Pisin Wikipedia is to be found at Tok Pisin Wikipedia Fran Pes. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Would like to create a wiki about a web design company

Hi,

Can you help me create a wiki about a web design company... Its not meant as spam..How can i create a legit page?

Colin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colinspencerwood (talk • contribs) 21:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean a wiki, or do you mean an article in Wikipedia? If the latter: what makes this company notable? See WP:CORP for some guidance on that topic. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:12, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

submission of name

i want to submitt my name in "manj" rajput section? please do let me know the procedure, how i can submitt my name to you to add that in that website? Rana Zaheer Ahmed s/o rana muhammad Bashir. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.186.67.96 (talk) 22:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I see you have now added yourself to Manj#Prominent Manjjs. You shouldn't do that per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. The existing section in the current version [8] is not what such sections should look like. Somebody may clean up the section and remove a lot of entries (not a single of them links to a Wikipedia biography). PrimeHunter (talk) 22:35, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

How can I get the ability to move draft to article?

Resolved

I have been signed up for months and have done more than 10 edits, but still can't see any way of moving my draft to an article. Any suggestions? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alana1/Australian_2018_and_2022_FIFA_World_Cup_Bid

Alana1 (talk) 06:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

All is well now. I have the drop down menu.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Alana1 (talk • contribs)

Hello Alana, thanks for your contributions. I've taken the liberty of cleaning up the page significantly for you. GlassCobra 15:14, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

guns in the cockpit

It is my understanding that in the beginning of aviation law (1929?) that maritime(admiralty law) would apply. The Captain of an airliner would have the same powers as a ship Captain. This would include carrying a weapon and marrying people. Where can I get information on the history of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Menefento (talk • contribs) 02:32, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:36, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Adding content that requires media verification from the target of the article, eg adding Cultural References to a Simpsons Episode article

I recently watched the Simpsons episode Bart Gets Famous, and noticed a few Cultural References that were not mentioned in the Wikipedia article.

I have always been fascinated by the Cultural References in the episode articles, but I am wondering at the warning about "original research".

In the episode in question, Bart gives Krusty the Clown a danish, after which Krusty throws him his sweaty towel. The scene is reminiscent of the 1979 Coke Commercial with Mean Joe Green throwing a kid his game jersey after the kid gives him a Coke.

Unfortunately, I don't know if this counts as "original research", and therefore is not valid for the article?

If so, does that mean that I can't add anything to an article that hasn't been explicitly mentioned somewhere else, like in a DVD commentary?

Thank you for your time... —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThereCanBeOnlyOneAWalker (talk • contribs) 17:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

If what you are adding is a statement of fact (this happens in the episode, and resembles a scene in this commercial), I believe that it would be enough if you had a (legal) link to the commercial itself, as any reader could go and verify it for themselves. But if the commercial is not (legally) available on the web, or in some other medium which is available to the public on demand, such a public library, then you cannot, and only a reliable published statement that it was so would be enough. --ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I would tend to disagree with you, Colin. The conclusion that something resembles something else, or is an homage/tribute/reference to something else, seems to me to fall under original research. If an article in the New York Times calls that Simpsons episode a cultural reference to the Coke commercial, then you've got a source; but your own belief fails our verifiability requirement. That sort of dispute is one of the reasons that "cultural references" sections are so widely disliked: who decides? --Orange Mike | Talk 20:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the bigger problem with "cultural references" sections is not that they aren't verifiable, which they usually are (oftentimes, I would call such as "self evident"), however, it is that they are trivial. Wikipedia articles are designed to be well-written and comprehensive "without going into unnecessary detail" according to WP:WIAFA. Endlessly listing every cross-reference in every single Simpsons or Family Guy or South Park episode crosses into the "unnecessary detail" territory quite easily. There are many many many things which are verifiable, and related to a notable subject, but which are not terribly relevent, and endless strings of facts, without context or encorporation into an article as part of making it an engaging and enjoyable read, only degrade the quality of an article. Wikipedia is not supposed to supposed to be as complete as a Google Search would be... --Jayron32 03:00, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't agree with Jayron in this specific case. I agree generally that too much trivia is a potential problem, but one of the important aspects of the Simpsons is the cultural mirror. If a character on Law and Order tossed a towel to someone, it would probably be a stretch to call it homage to the commercial, and not appropriate for the article. (L&O does hold a mirror to society, but not the same way as the Simpsons). In contrast, the cultural references in the Simpsons are a large part of the attraction. While some may lament Wikipedia's robust handling of pop culture in contrast to other areas covered, once we accept that pop culture is acceptable, I don't think we should handcuff it beyond the usual rules of verifiability.

I do side with OrangeMike - the reference, while fairly obvious, is Original research if not cited, so a reference is required.--SPhilbrickT 15:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

BTW, it is mentioned here, but not sure whether TV.com qualifies as a Reliable Source--SPhilbrickT 15:28, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Submitting a new article

Once it's created on a User Page, how does one submit a new article for posting by Wikipedia? Thank you. --CalWriter88 00:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It's a good idea to ask for feedback at feedback. Caution, the volume of inquires there exceeds the editors reviewing, so not everything gets reviewed promptly. After addressing any identified issued, the process is to use the move button to move the article to mainspace. If you are AUTOCONFIRMED, you can do it. If not, just ask, and someone else will do it.

If you sign your posts, we can tell you if you are autoconfirmed.--SPhilbrickT 01:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I looked briefly at your draft article Bomb Iran: A Musical Parody

• You should look at Article Layout, as it does not follow an appropraite layout for an encyclopedia article.
• You should look at Notability, as that is a critical requirement for Wikipedia articles.
• You need to add reliable sources.
• Articles should not be signed, but talk pages should be.--SPhilbrickT 01:16, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

no-profit organization, Wikipedia page

Hello,

I work for a no-profit organization (art field) and we don't have a Wikipedia page. I opened an account and then uploaded the organization's profile more than 3 weeks ago, but I can't see anything online yet. How long does it take to be uploaded online? Should I tried to upload again the text?

Thank you in advance for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artfortheworld (talk • contribs) 20:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

It was probably deleted. What exactly (case-sensitive) did you name the page?--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 20:45, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, please be aware that you have a conflict of interest. It is discouraged that you create or edit an article about something that you are closely related to.--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 20:46, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Your account has no deleted edits so I guess you refer to User:Artfortheworld which was created 18 days ago. That is your user page and not an article in the encyclopedia. But see Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:13, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

And note that the criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia is notability. A non-profit organisation, no matter how worthy, merits an article only if it is notable by Wikipedia's criterion. --09:17, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

An administrator warring against an opinion of an user

Where is an help about the case of an administrator who abuse of it's powers to destroy an user only because the user expressed an opinion that the administrator do not agree ? Tanks. --Mashra (talk) 14:06, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Which dispute is it about? Without seeing the specifics, I can only direct you to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. I don't know whether the user was blocked when you say "destroy an user", but if it was the case then see also Wikipedia:Blocking policy and Wikipedia:Appealing a block. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

The case in the italian WP: it:Discussioni_utente:Austroungarika#Mi_scusi_Austro. The censor-administrator abusing of it's powers to destroy an user account only becouse of a single opinion expressed by the user is it:Utente:Vituzzu. I'm searching an help about this specific question: an administrator who abuse of it's powers to destroy an user only because the user expressed an opinion that the administrator do not agree (case of an opinion's censor-administrator). --Mashra (talk) 15:17, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

This is a help page for the English Wikipedia. Different language Wikipedias have different rules, procedures and administration. I don't know Italian and cannot review the case or the Italian procedures but maybe you can find something helpful at it:Wikipedia:Risoluzione dei conflitti, it:Wikipedia:Utenti problematici or it:Aiuto:Sportello informazioni. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It is useful to wrirte an help on the topic "Administrator's abuses of power". Thanks PrimeHunter but in the italian WP there is no help about any question of this topic. Expert administrators could be concerned on the general topic and on the hypothesis I'm speaking about: administrator's abuse against an user opinion. --Mashra (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

People disagree about what is abusive and there are different kinds of abuse and alleged abuse. In the English Wikipedia there are several different places where different types of disputes and abuse allegations can be discussed but as mentioned, the Italian Wikipedia may have other procedures and are not required to follow English procedures. I don't know Italian and don't even know whether this case is about a contested block, page protection, edit warring, warnings, or something different which may or may not involve use or threat of use of administrator tools. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:40, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok. There is a gap or vacancy of an help on the topic "Administrator's abuses of power". Unfortunately they are possible, and the lack of an help constitute a critical point of Wikipedia, penalizing mostly the users striked by the most serius administrator's abuses (e.g infinite bloc only because an user opinion). The english one is the mother Wikipedia, and if such topic-help is not present here, there is no hope to find it on the italian WP, and there is no hope ti protect users. In fact I'm italian and, before asking here, have not found what were searching on the WP_it namespaces. Thanks. --Mashra (talk) 19:00, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Mashra, I don't think you're getting what PrimeHunter is saying. We can't help you - you've got a help page on the wrong Wikipedia. You're going to have to ask on your Wikipedia, or find out your local policies and guidelines, or something, but we can't help you here. Another place you could try is #wikipedia-it which is your local Wikipedia's IRC channel. Other than that, there's nothing we can do for you. Fleetflame · whack! whack! · 20:13, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Fleetflame, I understood PrimeHunter answer and your's answer. It's perfectly logic that a case in WP_it shall be solved in WP_it; and in fact I have not asked here to solve a concrete case of administrator's abuse of power (of course is out of discussion). The problem here (the WP_en) is that it's true and objctive the gap described above: the lack of an help about "Administrator's abuses of power", because nobody respond that such help exist. Therefore I got that arguments about "administrator's abuses of power" are only scattered fragments in namespeces, inaccessible to the majority of users; and I hope a sapient administrator or an expert user agree about the advisability to gather fragments in a clear help titled "Administrator's abuses of power". The purpose is to protect users not against all possible kind of administrator's abuses of power (probably it's impossibile a thorough forecast), but to protect against the most serious ones. In a such help listing the most serious administrator's abuses of power, I like to read the hypothesis of an administrator blocking infinetly an user only because the user expressed an opinion that the administrator do not agree (a very detestable and shamed abuse). Such help could list others serious abuses, and is valuable, worthwhile and desirable IMMO. That's all. --Mashra (talk) 21:56, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

You sound obsessed with the title "Administrator's abuses of power". I have already given you relevant links to pages at the English Wikipedia such as Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and Wikipedia:Appealing a block, but I wonder whether you have read them. You can find more pages at the links, for example Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Most editors who appeal a block is accusing the blocking administrator of bad things. We are not going to create a page name with a vague inflammatory title like Wikipedia:Administrator's abuses of power for that reason, and then lump all types of complaints in there. We have different processes designed to handle different types of problems and alleged problems. Accusations of abuse are common in conflicts but that doesn't mean the same process is suited to handle any conflict where somebody screams "Abuse!". PrimeHunter (talk) 23:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much. My discussion is resumed here: Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy#Administrator.27s_errors_and_abuses_in_the_blocking_policy --Mashra (talk) 20:11, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Language of Cited Sources

If I speak a foreign language, may I cite foreign language resources in my English language wikipedia entries?Nickeyrc (talk) 20:03, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

From WP:NONENG "English-language sources are preferable to sources in other languages so that readers can easily verify the content of the article. However, sources in other languages are acceptable where an English equivalent is not available." (note that this answer applies without respect to your language capabilities.)--SPhilbrickT 20:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

suggested addition to entry "Eternal Flame"

this article fails to mention Baba Gurgur http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Gurgur, kirkuk, iraq. it is quite likely mentioned in the biblical old testament at least once. it has been burning approximately 4000 years. while it is unlikely, its close proximity to ancient persia suggests a potential tie to the eternal flame of zoroastrianism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.171.242.37 (talk) 04:06, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion regarding Eternal flame. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). --Mysdaao ^talk 12:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Can't find edit link in the article

I was going to make a minor edit to the Pumpkin article. (The word "accredited" is used where it should be "credited"). However, there is no "Edit This Page" tab on that article.

I am probably missing something obvious, but I cannot see how to edit that article. If it were an article about some hot topic, I might imagine that the page was protected from further edits, but would you really need to do that for an article on pumpkins? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RadicalHick (talk • contribs) 09:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

It's actually a very popular target for vandalism, possibly due to halloween and all. So yeah, it's semi-protected. You'll be able to edit it once your account is four days old and has at least ten edits. See Wikipedia:Semi-protection and Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed for more information. In any event, I've made the edit for you. Cheers. Someguy1221 (talk) 09:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

YouTube

how can i download my videos on you tube —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sahilrai (talk • contribs) 11:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Computing reference desk. They specialize in answering computer questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. --Mysdaao ^talk 12:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Else Betty Wallheimer

Referring to the article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Jonas, the name Else Betty Wallheimer is mentioned on a picture caption. What information is available concerning this person?

Thank you,

John L. Wallace, Ph.D. [email removed] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwall9999 (talk • contribs) 00:27, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The name Else Betty Wallheimer is not directly in a caption on Hans Jonas but it is in the image page File:Moenchengladbach Stolpersteine Mozartstrasse.jpg, and visible in the image itself on Hans Jonas. Wikipedia doesn't appear to have information about her. Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. You can also try an external search engine like Google. The editor who uploaded the image can be contacted at de:Benutzer Diskussion:Kliojünger. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

food bar opening

can I opean a convient food takeout bar in this ITC building ornearby —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.207.51 (talk) 05:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Gonzonoir (talk) 09:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Google listing of user pages

Resolved

 – Mysdaao ^talk 15:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I am a bit confused as to why google has listed my user pages in it's index. i.e. this google search (3rd link is a user page belonging to me). Is it possible to put any code on a page like that one to stop it from being indexed? Thanks! --The.Filsouf (talk) 13:40, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

You can use {{NOINDEX}} to prevent search engines from indexing the page. Either add {{NOINDEX}} on your page which will not display anything, or add {{NOINDEX|visible = yes}} to also display the line "This page has been removed from search engines' indexes." --Mysdaao ^talk 14:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

How useful. Thanks. --The.Filsouf (talk) 14:43, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. --Mysdaao ^talk 15:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Draft article to mainspace?

I have a short article ready ro publish but I can't figure out how to do it. It is in my user space -Larryc1 - entitled 'Death in the Air' - The Cockburn-Lange Hoax. THis is my first attempt - sorry to be asking such basic questions but there it is! Regards,LarryLarryc1 (talk) 18:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Your draft is at: User:Larryc1/'Death in the Sky' - The Cockburn-Lange Hoax. I don't think it's quite ready to move to the mainspace yet - you need to move the references up into the main body of the article, see WP:CITE. When it is moved to the main space, the title should probably be Death in the Air (hoax). Also, the tone needs a little work as some of it is not encyclopedic. Hope this helps. – ukexpat (talk) 19:06, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Writing an Article

Hello, I am a college student writing a paper about some of the basic uses of Wikipedia. I have already written an article about Constitutonal violations which is very short and unfinished. A pop up has appeared on the main page which states that this article uses 'neologisms'. Is there any way to avoid this? Any advice on this or any other area on Wikipedia would be greatly appreciated. thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by SimpsonRichard (talk • contribs)

Hello, SimpsonRichard! The reason why the article Constitutional violation has been proposed for deletion as a neologism is because there are no reliable sources of information referenced by the article showing that this is a phrase in common use. However, as Google Scholar/Books/News all show plenty of hits for the phrase, I would say that it is not a neologism, so I have contested the Proposed Deletion. This does not mean that the article will not be deleted - but that it would need a discussion before doing so.

What I would suggest is that you find reliable, independent sources that can be cited to expand the article. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 08:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

This article appears to deal with the same subject matter as Constitutionality, so the contents should probably be merged into that article. – ukexpat (talk) 18:45, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Noob Needs some help please

Please keep in mind I don't spend my days on wikis, thus I am not that experienced, so bear with me.

I'm trying to add some information to an articale, under controversy, someone else had originally added it for me, though they really didn't know anymore about this process than I and quickly became frustrated. I can see why, people are IMO editing it back because they do not like to hear the truth, I feel the information is valid and verifiable and although there may be some statement that is not NPOV, like maybe the last sentence, that hardly is an excuse to revert the entire thing and it is under a controversy section, in my mind controversy can't be completely NPOV to begin with and my friend even tried deleteing the whole section to no avail and the artical is riddled with non NPOV which seems to be OK with these other editors, IMO they just want to try and enforce rules on information they don't want to hear. So, now what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=America%27s_Army&action=history

I am open to making changes as needed to bring things into alignment but feel the other editors obviously just intend to keep this controversy silent and would rather not hear of any of it. Could someone help me to deliver the information in a NPOV that may be satisfactory to all?

I feel I have went through great lengths to bring this information forward which is of a priviledged nature via emails mostly, as the staff of this game goes through great lengths to hide thier actions by deleting forum topics they can not explain and it's a shame that people can't know the information because other editors don't want it out.

70.235.22.27 (talk) 04:35, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello! While I appreciate that you have good intentions, in order for material to be retained in articles, they need to be reliably sourced.

Unfortunately, a forum such as the one used as a reference for the information that you want to insert, is not counted as a reliable source. Anyone can sign up and post comments to a forum - there is not verifiability of any information posted there.

I would make two suggestions:

1. discuss any proposed changes on the article's talk page. This allows a consensus to be reached on whether the information should be included in the article, and if so, how it should be phrased.
2. find reliable, independent sources which confirm the information. This means sources such as national/international newspapers or magazines in this case (unless anyone has done any academic work in this area, in which case that may be reliable if it has been peer reviewed) - however, it does not generally include forums, blogs, personal websites, etc. If you can provide these, mention these on the talk page.

I hope that this helps - please feel free to come back if you have any other questions -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 08:49, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

School Cinema

I created a Wikipedia article for the company I work for (School Cinema). I'm super new at creating a wiki article, I've done the 4 days, 10 edits thing for it and changed it to new unreviewed article. At what point, when someone googles "School Cinema wiki" will the article actually show up? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SchoolCinema (talk • contribs) 05:16, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

• Hi! There are a few issues here:

1. Your username appears to be against the policy we have about user names - I am leaving a message on your talk page about this
2. Your article is still in your user space (here). To appear in the encyclopedia (and on Google searches), it needs to be moved to article space. However, I do not feel that it is currently ready, for two reasons:

1. There are no reliable, independent sources of information about it referred to in the article. The testimonials would not count as independent, as they are provided by the company themselves - where are the critical comments from clients? Also, none of them are sourced (let alone from independent sources).
2. The article still looks like an advertising brochure rather than a factual, encyclopedic entry.

These can be sorted out, but I feel that if this was in the encyclopedia itself, it would probably be deleted.

If there is anything else which we can help with, please feel free to leave another question! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 08:49, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

ORGANIC URBANISM

What is meant by this term...principle of this term... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vidyagmohan (talk • contribs) 05:50, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

• You might find what you are looking for in the articles New Urbanism  or Principles of Intelligent Urbanism. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 08:35, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

stock prices for the company - citizen utilities

Am trying to find the history of the stock prices for Citizen Utilities and its companies that it was changed to.

John —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5eat27ave (talk • contribs) 21:59, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

• Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 22:08, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

transfer old name

Hello, please may I have my old name editied so that it no longer appears and is replaced by my new name in all correspondence and questions. Many thanksLumenlitt (talk) 14:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

After your a username change, like the one you had, all new signatures you make will automatically have your new username, but old signatures are not automatically changed. As it says at at Wikipedia:Changing username#Effects of a username change, "This change will not affect signatures you have already left on talk pages, or other places where you signed your username with ~~~~. Those pages will continue to display your signature (including the link to your old username) unless edited manually." So it has be done manually, and it's best if it's done by you. This will be easy, because there are only two places you signed a comment before your username change was completed, and these was done on Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Archive/2009/September and Wikipedia:Changing username/Archive68. Search for your old name on those pages, and replace that with your new username. After you do that, there will be no instances of your old username in signatures on Wikipedia. --Mysdaao ^talk 15:25, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

adding a new list

Hello, I have found a poll conducted by Waterstones and Channel 4 in Uk for the top 100 books of the 20th century. I have created an account for myself on Wikipedia now red_mcl, can anyone give me some pointers on how to add this to wikipedia? I am familair with html/editing etc, but not on how to fix this new page into context? Thanks Red mcl (talk) 15:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure that an individual, subjective list of top books merits an encyclopaedia article in its own right. Innumerable polls are conducted and will continue to be so, but unless one is particularly notable - that is, it has significant independent coverage as a newsworthy event in mainstream media - it's probably not significant enough to be included here as an article. That said, the list could certainly be used within individual book articles, provided you can cite back to the published list. So you could add the statement: "Voted the top book of the 20th century in the 200X Waterstones poll" to The Very Hungry Caterpillar (or whatever book it was that won), and back up your assertion with an inline citation of the poll. Karenjc 22:10, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

How would I suggest the merging of two articles?

I think that all of the first-generation game consoles should be merged with the pong article, but i don't know how! please help me!

- I'm bored a lot 00:42, 28 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imboredalot (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia:Proposed mergers explains the procedure - if you have any trouble after reading it feel free to ask here again. Olaf Davis (talk) 21:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

citations

If, as someone related to a subject, I know certain things to be true, but that there may be no academic or scholarly proof of these facts, how do I get round the "citation needed" problem? I can hardly refer to a sequence of birth certificates can I? Thanks for your help--79.73.29.219 (talk) 14:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

In general, unless you can find reliable sources for the facts, you cannot put them in Wikipedia - note that reliable sources are not necessarily academic or scholarly: reputable news sources are also acceptable.

Having said that, it seems to me that referring to a birth certificate to establish the facts of date and place of birth would be acceptable: it would be a primary source, and the page I just linked to says "Without a secondary source, a primary source may be used only to make descriptive claims, the accuracy of which is verifiable by a reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge." Birth certificates are not published, and I guess that whether one can cite one or not depends on whether or not the particular jurisdiction allows members of the public to obtain an arbitrary certificate. --ColinFine (talk) 16:22, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Kiwipedia deletion

Hi . I recently made kiwipedia, and i want to know how to delete it. --Edlozz (talk) 16:34, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

It's already been deleted. For future reference, you can place {{db-G7}} at the top of any page that you have created (and only you have edited) in order to request deletion. TNXMan 16:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

image upload

i am not able to include an image on wikipedia which i've uploaded on wikicommonsManurrt (talk) 20:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

The syntax is the same whether the image was uploaded to Wikipedia or Commons, which is [[File:Example.png|thumb|Caption]]. Add that to an article, replacing Example.png with the name of the image you uploaded, and replace Caption with the caption to put under the image. There are other parameters you can use, which are at Wikipedia:Images#Using images. --Mysdaao ^talk 20:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Human Orientation- Science & Art- by Dr. S.K.Modak & Dr. V.N.Patkar

Sir,

A new concept of human orientation science was successfully formalized into a discipline - with definition, methodology and principles - through publication of the above mentioned book by Sumitra Publications, Mumbai in 1993 for the first time (ISBN-81-86008-00-4). However, the existence of such a new discipline could not get across to the world academia due to lack of publicity. Both the authors were university level professors, now retired. It is desired that attention of the world be drawn to this nascent discipline through writing a ten-twenty page article on the subject. Would you welcome such a contribution on our behalf in the form of an article/book ?

The subject has been formally defined as follows: "Human Orientation Science can be said to be an integrated science which studies human beings in their mental as well as physical relationship with the artefacts and the situations which they encounter in the conduct of their activities with a view to emphathize, anticipate and draw out the difficulties and irritations experienced by them and to suggest improvements or solutions with the object of making human life more easy and hassle-free."

Eagerly awaiting response.

Shanker K. Modak —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanker K. Modak (talk • contribs) 15:23, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but Wikipedia does not accept original research, nor is it a place of first publication. Rather, Wikipedia is a tertiary source and only has articles about subjects that have received significant coverage in independent, secondary, reliable sources. Once the subject has received significant independent coverage, then an article may be written about it. TNXMan 15:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Further to TNXMan's reply, if the subject matter was to have been peer-reviewed in reliable, independent sources (such as the main international journals covering the area), then it could perhaps be considered for inclusion - however, Wikipedia is not the place for publicising a book, or for original research (as already mentioned by TNXMan). Also, it is questionable whether a discipline which was "formalized into a discipline" in 1993 could be described as a "new concept"! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

October edits removed

Dear Sir or Madam,

I added some info to the Colorado State University page re: the University's recent announcement of a $500 million comprehensive campaign and today discovered that info had been removed. Why? It is as valid and factual as the other information presented.

I received a nice message from Joe Smack sooner after joining Wikipedia, but can't for the life of me figure out how to respond to him... or really anyone else for that matter.

Please reply on my Talk page.

Thank you,

Flrdude (talk) 05:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

According to the article history, your additions were removed by User:ElKevbo because they were "not particularly notable", the concern seems to be that while your edits were about something that was true, it was probably of trivial concern to an encyclopedia article. If you wish to discuss these edits, the best place to do it would be at Talk:Colorado State University; you should notify the above user by leaving a note at his talk page User talk:ElKevbo asking him to discuss the matter at the article talk page. --Jayron32 05:58, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Entry usefulness

I recently noticed that someone undid a comment I left on the discussion page about an anime. It was removed apparently because you aren't supposed to review the anime. I don't dispute the person's right to remove my comment, but I do think that the wikipedia entries might be more useful and interesting to users if reviews or ratings where allowed for Anime articles. So my question is, who sets policies like the no review policy, how do they decide, is it possible to get policies changed, and what is the process? (sorry, I know thats more than one question, but it seems more efficient to ask them all at once) I don't really want info about this particular issue (anime reviews), I just would like an overview of the process. Thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dburson (talk • contribs) 16:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

It's less about "reviewing" the anime, and more about not simply leaving comments about your personal opinion of the anime. As the contributor who reverted your edit noted, discussion pages are not intended to be used for opinions or as forums, they are strictly for discussing how to improve the article. GlassCobra 16:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I thought this question disappeared after I asked it, so I asked again, I'm not sure how to remove the second attempt, but you can disregard it. But you didn't actually answer my question, you just tried to head off what you think I'm going to do next, I again, would like to know WHO decides, HOW do they decide, Is there a process to change policy, if so what is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dburson (talk • contribs) 16:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#How to use article talk pages, WP:NOTFORUM and Wikipedia:Five pillars. It's a very fundamental Wikipedia policy that talk pages exist for the purpose of discussing how to improve articles; they are not mere general discussion pages about the subject of the article. The Internet has lots of other places where you can discuss things unrelated to writing Wikipedia articles. Suggestions for policy changes can for example be made at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) but changing Wikipedia to become a general forum about more than 3 million article subjects is unlikely to happen, and I don't know whether the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia on a tight budget would allow such a change. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines for a more general discussion about policies. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Your (my) signature

I have seen other users with customized signatures. I would like to customize mine, but do not know how. Can you answer this for me? --Paperfork (talk) 18:28, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

You can customize your signature by going into Special:Preferences. Please see Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing your signature for instructions and guidelines regarding what may not be placed into a signature. GlassCobra 18:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

In the top right of your browser there's a little link that says, "My preferences", click this, and on the page that you come to you should see a little box labeled: "Signature". Whatever text you put in here is produced when you sign with ~~~~, and has a timestamp added to it. Remember to tick "Sign my name exactly as shown.".

For more information either ask here or see WP:SIGNATURE. Kind regards, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 18:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)