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Nathu La

First Peer Review

I have been working on this article for the some time now, and trying to get it to FA level. I believe most of the suggestions from the first peer review have been addressed and I would like to know if anything more can be added to the article. Other suggestions (like on language and structure) are also welcome. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 21:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

• Please see automated peer review suggestions here. Thanks, AZ _t 23:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

*My take:

It's actually a fascinating article. Diamond in the rough.

Do we really need "Nathu La" in 6 different character systems? Narrow it down to the Chinese or Tibetian (pick one of those) and Hindi. It's not adjecent to Nepal, or the former nation of tibet. If you must have 3 languages, the third should actually be Bhutanese (I think that's the name.)

That first sentence is pretty long because of the alternative languages, so move this: "also spelled Ntula, Natu La, Nathula, or Natula" to the bottom of the lead as: "It can also be spelled also spelled "Ntula," "Natu La," "Nathula," or "Natula."

"The pass is 56 kilometres (35 mi) east of the Sikkimese capital, Gangtok, and 430 km (270 mi) from the Tibetan capital, Lhasa." First of all, Link both Sikkimese and Tibetan to their respective pages (that would be Sikkim and Tibet.) Second of all, Tibet is not a country any more. Please change that to "the provincial capital of Tibet." Yes, we all wish for Tibetian independence. See my userpage for a nice userbox.

For the readers' sake: "Although just 5 km (3 mi) north of the all-weather Jelepla pass, the Nathu La pass is blocked by snow in winters as it receives heavy snowfall." Could you please hint why?

Make Image:Nathula-area.jpg just a tad smaller to drop the indent on the following paragraph

Your image at the end "Image:Kalimpong town and nathula.jpg" is the best picture in the whole article. Find a way to showcase it. I would switch it with Image:Nathu La-Nehru Visit.JPG

Some may ask for written resources and references. Try to find some. Although I believe your internet resources are fine, some may not while going through FAC.

"Temperatures in Nathu La regularly dip below −25 °C (−77 °F) in winters.[2]" Could we get the top extreme heat as well?

Make Image:Nathu La-Chinese Post.JPG just a bit bigger so it bumps the line below it remaining in the paragraph to the same indent. Just for style if you want to put this image on the left side, which is unusual.

To be perfectly honest, I could only get through the first half of the article. Please fix the errors above and drop a line. Evan^{(Salad dressing is the milk of the infidel!)} 01:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• • Reply'. Thanks for the review. I have addressed most of your concerns. Here are the select few that I couldn't. I couldn't find if there's a contrast between the two passes (Nathu La and Jelep La), which brings difference in one being all-weather, and the other not. I have removed the comparison there. Also, I couldn't find any references for summer temperatures in Nathu La. Since the summer temperature isn't awe-inspiring, it is not discussed anywhere. The print content on Nathu La is limited, and most information present is sourced from the boom of information about the place when the pass was opened. As you can see, most of the sources used in the article have been published in the first week of July 2006. The only major print sources are related to the Tibetan annexation by British, but I believe that reliable sources have been used in that context so explicit print sources are not essential. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 10:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Follow-up:

You didn't showcase "Image:Kalimpong town and nathula.jpg" like I told you. I fixed this

Your picture distribution is not much improved.

Undo what you did with the Image:Location of Nathula.svg, keep it on the right.

Beautiful job with the pictures, though, in Flora and Fauna.

When you use i.e. use it like in commas like this "texttexttext, i.e., texttext"

You messed up with that here: "...ododendrons i.e. Rhodod..."

It could use a light copyedit.

Evan^{(Salad dressing is the milk of the infidel!)} 12:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

• • Reply. I thought by "showcasing" you meant to include the image in the article body, rather than the see also section. I had done that. Your edit is also fine. Earlier one of the editors re-normalised the images to normal size, and therefore you saw a difference in size of "Location of Nathula.svg". The comma issue is also fixed. I will keep on copyediting it as and when I see something awkward. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

*My take The prose is excellent & and have adequate citations. But I have some thing to point out.
1) There should be a separate subheading ‘Notes’ and put the inline citations there. Inside the reference there should be the most used books and website names.
2) The infobox is not proper. How can a borded area checkpoint have an Indian Urban Infobox?? I am suggesting a new infobox (if it doesn’t exists) with the following parameters:
Infobox name should be border checkpoint
Name
Map
Countries
States
Districts
nearest_city
lat_degrees
lat_minutes
lat_seconds
lat_direction
long_degrees
long_minutes
long_seconds
long_direction
Area
Altitude
Annual Trade (in US $)
Number of people crossed
Main Transacted Items
Regulating Authorities

3)Map – Some thing like a South Asia Map with a close up of the area than the india map.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Amartyabag (talk • contribs)

• Reply. I have broken up the references section and added often used/detailed reviews on the topic in the new section. The Infobox can be split, and I would be working on it soon. For this article, I think we can use Location of Nathula.svg itself if we colour it well. BTW, I don't understand what you expect to be written in "Regulating Authorities", or how you plan to get the data for number of people crossed. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 10:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I think we can write NA in 2006 with a footnotes that it has been started in June/July 2006. Regulating Authorities can be Government of India, BSF and Govenment of China, get the name of the military posted in chiina side.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Amartyabag (talk • contribs)

I'll be giving a heavy copyedit to the article to bring it in line with FA standards. The infobox needs to be changed as well as it does not reflect the true ststus of Nathula. =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)