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July 16

Australian Rules Football Netball

I'm really confused about Eastern Football Netball League. What is meant by "netball" here? That article rather unhelpfully says they added "Netball" to the name "recognising netball as a key part of the league structure", but says nothing else at all about netball. Does "netball" just mean netball (the throwing-based court sport), or is "netball" a name for some variant of Australian rules football (that article says nothing about nets or netball)? If it's the former, I guess this means that the sports clubs operate both an aussie-rules team and a netball team (in a manner like a multi-sports club)? -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 10:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is referring to the game of netball, very similar to basketball. On the EFNL website, you will find teams and schedules for football games and, separately, netball games. You will also find the current rulebooks for each. 12.116.29.106 (talk) 13:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What has Australian football got to do with netball? It's like if the NFL and the WNBA were to merge. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's long confused me, and I live where this crazy thing exists. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 14:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the netball promoters couldn't afford to create their own league? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A similar dichotomy exists in the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club, the two sports being only connected by a requirement for some level grass. Alansplodge (talk) 17:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The other connection being with the "idle rich". Speaking of dichotomies, I'm reminded of the Toronto Cricket, Skating and Curling Club. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The really rich had the space and staff for their own croquet lawns, the club was for well-to-do suburbanites. Alansplodge (talk) 10:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's a "Miscellaneous Sporting Club" in Botswana. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 15:55, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society was an accident. -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 21:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the 19th century, amateur Multi-sport clubs became popular in Britain, and thence spread to other countries, such as France. Some well-known professional single-sport teams began as part of such clubs, one example being the (currently-named) Racing 92 Rugby club, originally part of the still extant Racing Club de France, which also gestated Racing Club de France Football. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 10:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Football Netball cubs exist in a lot of country towns in the parts of Australia where Australian football is popular. They are a pooling of resources to support both sports. The men play football. The ladies play netball. Lots of juniors play both sports too .it's a social club for the whole family. The final sentence of the OP's question has it pretty right. HiLo48 (talk) 11:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 17

Who is the female dancer in the video of New Order's "Tutti Frutti"?

In the video of New Order's "Tutti Frutti" there's a young woman playing a dancer who appears throughout the video and is a central character in it. She's obviously the main dancer. When there's dancing the camera is centered on her, although there's usually a few other female dancers around her. She has long brown hair. Despite her importance in the video I could find nothing about her at the usual places (Imdb, etc.) Various AI assistants I've asked return nothing. Do you know of other sources for information about this video? Or can you recognize the woman? For example she's at 1m08-1m13, 1m42-2m09, etc. 178.51.74.75 (talk) 00:36, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This site names one Katja Škofic. (Google Translate: The group New Order recorded the video for their single Tutti Frutti in the premises of TV Slovenija, in which, in addition to the Italian actor Ricky Tognazzi, the Slovenian dancer and actress Katja Škofic appears.)--Wrongfilter (talk) 15:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Billboard's charts

What are the links to Billboard's Digital Song Sales Chart and Billboard's Country Digital Song Sales Chart for the first week of October 2023? Thanks. Bob K31416 (talk) 15:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Digital songs for first week of October 2023 and Country songs. Billboard lets you pick the week you want to look at and is free access. Matt Deres (talk) 15:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very helpful. I was looking for a cover of "I Won't Back Down". Using your links as a starting point, I found it for the week of Oct 14, 2023 for Digital Song Sales at #10 [1] but not for Country Digital Song Sales (#6 was the supposed place). Bob K31416 (talk) 18:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For country, I think I found what I was looking for. It looks like the country link in your message is for "Hot Country Songs", which apparently is different from "Country Digital Song Sales" (see [2] p. 8). At the latter is the "I Won't Back Down" cover at #6. Bob K31416 (talk) 06:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 19

draft declined

I have drafted an article named Last drop that has been declined. Please help me. Pratap Keshari Das (talk) 18:07, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you talking about Draft:Last Drop? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pratap555: If you don't understand the explanation in the decline notice, you should click the "Ask us a question" blue link in the draft decline message, to ask at the AfC help desk. RudolfRed (talk) 01:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The implied question is, "Can you please help me find sources to establish the notability of this film"? (In particular, sources with significant coverage of the topic, not mere mentions, but per Wikipedia:Notability (films) a major award would also do.) --Lambiam 10:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are also various problems with the verbiage in the article. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As long as the text is understandable and does not violate policy, this should not an issue for reviewers deciding whether to accept or decline a submitted draft. But you're welcome to improve it as you see fit. --Lambiam 20:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"...ingeniously uses a simple idea—a leaking tap – to deliver a profound message about water conservation. Through its minimalist approach." That sounds like it was lifted from a movie review somewhere. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you prove this? If not, it is skirting very close to calling the editor either incapable of writing a cohesive, comprehensible sentence or a flat-out plagiarist.Maineartists (talk) 12:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just saying what it sounds like. And as noted below, IMDB is being used as a source for the text, which is not kosher. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Last Drop" ingeniously uses a simple premise - a leaking tap - to deliver a profound message about water conservation. Reviews: Last Drop - IMDb Alansplodge (talk) 11:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, not only very adjacent to plagiarism, but also favourably judgemental and therefore not NPOV: "ingeniously", "profound". {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 17:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reviews read like they were written by ChatGPT. --Lambiam 20:43, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 21

For the Sake of Appearance

Do any of you guys know any information about the 1973 tv series titled For the Sake of Appearance. I'm wanting to find information about the show because I'm creating a draft for it and I want to know if the show has survived so can any of you send me the links here. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 12:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genome listing Nanonic (talk) 12:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Has the show survived or is it now lost. I need to know for this Wikipedia page. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 05:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Older child actors playing younger characters

Why do most older child actors play younger characters? For instance; 8 or 9-year-olds as 6 or 7-year-olds, 13 or 14-year-olds as 11 or 12-year-olds and 15 or 16-year-olds as 12 or 13-year-olds. 86.129.82.17 (talk) 19:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who says they do? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are legal limits to the work children can do: maximum hours per day and per week, dangerous environments, night-time work. Those rules get less strict as the child gets older, making it easier for film makers to work with older children. Furthermore, they become better actors as they get older. So it's best to work with the oldest available child that can believably play the age asked for by the script. PiusImpavidus (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suspension of disbelief is a requirement to enjoy most movies. I was very confused when I first saw Grease that a thirty-year-old woman was still in high school. It remains to be seen what AI will be able to do with the apparent age of actors. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who needs (human) actors when we have AI? --Lambiam 14:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 22

The Reprieve

Has the 1972 short film titled The Reprieve survived or is it now lost. The film was produced by National Film and Television School. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 05:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Matthew John Drummond In that case I suggest you ask the National Film and Television School whatever your question is. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Our Article includes their website address. By the way, have you been utilising the resources of the BFI National Archive regarding these sorts of enquiries? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 11:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the BFI National Archive and it's not shown on the results. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 17:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where can I ask the National Film and Television School my question. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 17:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NFTS, and scroll down to Get in Touch. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trial

Has the 1971 British tv series titled Trial has this tv show survived or is it now lost. The show had a total of 13 episodes. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 18:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was it shown live or was it on film or tape? And I'm curious to know where you're finding these things! ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was broadcast on television. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 04:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That much is clear. But if it was broadcast "live", it might never have been recorded. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 08:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about the UK, but in those days, magnetic tapes for recording television programs were very expensive and often re-used by broadcasters to record a different program after an initial airing or two. In Canada, we've lost tapings of a whole hosts of popular shows from the 1960s and early 1970s that would now be considered classics, as they featured well-known actors, but that were too expensive to preserve at the time. It's even more likely to have happened for made-for-tv movies that were not expected to have much of a shelf life to begin with. Xuxl (talk) 12:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It did indeed happen a lot in the UK in that era. See Lost television broadcast#United Kingdom, and Doctor Who missing episodes for a high profile example of a programme that was affected and ways some were recovered. As noted in those articles, it wasn't just tapes that were recorded over but film made of the shows were often destroyed for lack of space. The general article does mention more general recovery efforts (I'm assuming from below this was a BBC programme) but for a programme we don't even have an article, I'm not sure how much effort would have been made to find the lost content. Although possibly there efforts are fairly widespread to cover all lost content of theirs, especially since if copies to do exist somewhere they're likely to be lost over time. Nil Einne (talk) 13:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Getting old episodes is hampered by a common belief that the BBC sued someone for having old archives that were supposed to be wiped or returned long ago. 12.116.29.106 (talk) 14:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that Trial (TV series) redirected to an unrelated show, but the lists of BBC shows linked to that page for the 1971 series. So, I broke the redirect. If you hurry you can see that it is an independent page for the moment. I'm sure someone will revert my change within the next 30 seconds. 12.116.29.106 (talk) 12:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. It was reverted. I gave up on attempting to do much on Wikipedia long ago as any effort I made was reverted with one click. 75.136.148.8 (talk) 11:31, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The solution to that is to make your efforts in accordance with Wikipedia's policies. If you add something, cite it to a reliable source. If you remove something, give your policy-based reason in the edit summary. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 12:57, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that no matter how much research, explanation, and work you do, it only takes one click to revert it without a reason or explanation. In this case, the Trial article is linked to from pages referring to the 1971 television series. But, someone (who knows who, who knows why) thinks it should link to a completely unrelated television series. That cannot be undone. No amount of research, explanation, discussions, or voting can fix it. Try to split it out to two article... click, revert. Have multiple threads agreeing to make it two articles... click, revert. It is simply too easy to revert without giving a reason. 75.136.148.8 (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No research was in evidence for the page, which is why it was reverted by user JalenFolf just today. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An unsourced statement in the Trivia section on IMDb says, "All episodes of this series are still intact and still all exist to this day.".^[3] --Lambiam 14:15, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to watch them is the problem. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 15:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TV Brain indicates most of the episodes are missing - three survive. https://www.tvbrain.info/tv-archive?showname=the+trial&type=lostshow TrogWoolley (talk) 08:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 25

It Happened Like This

Has the 1962-1963 tv series titled It Happened Like This survived or is it now lost. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 02:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TV Brain indicates it is lost https://www.tvbrain.info/tv-archive?showname=It+happened+like+this&type=lostshow TrogWoolley (talk) 05:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Renegade

Has the 1961 tv play titled The Renegade survived or is it now lost. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 03:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TV Brain indicates it is lost https://www.tvbrain.info/tv-archive?showname=The+renegade&type=lostshow TrogWoolley (talk) 05:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crying Down the Lane

Has the 1962 tv Mini series titled Crying Down the Lane survived or is it now lost. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 10:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you checked in that TVBrain website that's been pointed out to you? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not everything on there is true because bfi collections have that episodes from some tv shows are available to watch on the bfi collections but on tv brain some episodes of some shows say that there lost when they actually aren’t for example the 1965-1966 tv show titled Blackmail shows the episode titled The Set Up is missing when on bfi it shows that it may exist in the bfi archive there’s also some other episodes from the tv show Blackmail that say there lost on tv brain when there actually available to watch at the bfi archive. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 16:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like you've got a better handle on this than anyone else here. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:00, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to this article, the BBC usually reused video tape as it cost £120 pounds per hour (about £2,750 today). So if it's not showing up on Google searches (I couldn't find anything either), then it's probably lost. Alansplodge (talk) 12:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you can't find anything about Crying Down the Lane for 1962 can you find out if this also applies to the 1973 tv series For the Sake of Appearance. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 19:12, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 26

Honor of Kings copyright issue

Tencent owns 100% of Riot. Even if Honor of Kings is a blatant ripoff of League of Legends, Riot has no right to sue Tencent. I don't understand why Tencent was afraid of Riot? They later changed their game to Arena of Valor to release in the West due to Riot's copyright complaint. 68.187.65.220 (talk) 23:27, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Entertainment/2022 November 20 § Arena of Valor. --Lambiam 02:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 27

Victor and Hugo: Bunglers in Crime

Which episodes of the 1991-1992 tv show Victor and Hugo: Bunglers in Crime where released on audio cassettes tapes. Matthew John Drummond (talk) 01:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 29

Eisenhower's farewell address

Why was Eisenhower's farewell address taken in very low quality black and white video? He was the first U.S. president on color TV on May 22, 1958! -- Toytoy (talk) 06:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You say "very low quality" black and white, but it was probably the standard quality at the time; color (see Professional video camera) was at that date still new, and (I'm fairly sure) significantly poorer in general definition than B&W. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.235 (talk) 14:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Everyday Readers

Is there anywhere I can watch the 1998 film Everyday Readers starring Peter Sallis. The only website that I've found out about this movie is on the BFI. 2A00:23C8:9DEE:900:FD51:C289:48F0:AA3 (talk) 09:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Brazilian soccer player Sócrates had a medical degree

The Brazilian soccer player Sócrates had a medical degree. His article mentions that and gives a source. But he's not in the List of athletes with advanced degrees. Just letting you know. I'd add him myself but I'm not sure how to add the source of the first article to the second article. 178.51.2.117 (talk) 18:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article says he has a bachelor's degree, which is not an advanced degree according to the definition on that list page ("PhDs and other degrees at that academic level"). So maybe that's why. Although saying that, the definition of what level a medical degree is seems complicated according to Doctor of Medicine. --Viennese Waltz 20:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball: error in a perfect game

Error (baseball) presents an unusual situation:

If a batted ball were hit on the fly into foul territory, with the batting team having no runners on base, and a fielder misplayed such ball for an error, it is possible for a team on the winning side of a perfect game to commit at least one error, yet still qualify as a perfect game.

Whether at the major league level or elsewhere, is there any record of a perfect game in which the winning team committed such an error? Nyttend (talk) 23:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 30