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Bold in lead section?

Hi, I was wondering if I should use '''bold''' or the {{strong|strong}} in the lead section? There seems to be conflicting information. In Template:Strong it says "In the lead section of an article, the article's title and its synonyms should be emphasized with {{strong}}", but MOS:BOLD says "The most common use of boldface is to highlight the first occurrence of the title word/phrase of the article (and often its synonyms) in the lead section […] HTML's <strong>...</strong> emphasis (which usually renders as boldface) is generally not appropriate in article text, though it is common in project pages, template documentation, talk page discussions and other non-article contexts."

As per Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability/Scannability it seems like I should be using {{strong}}, yeah? I just want to confirm. Umimmak (talk) 00:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Umimmak, and welcome to the Teahouse. Either will do. I personally have been using wiki markup for bold for over 10 years, and plan to keep doing so. The MOS in my view takes precedence over any template's or project's documentation. If you like you could raise this at WT:Manual of Style/Text formatting or WT:MOS and suggest that these various sources of documentation be brought into agreement. DES ^(talk) 01:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Okay thanks, DESiegel, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding something. It took me a while to learn I should be using {{lang}} and when to use {{em}} over ''italics'', so I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something big by not using {{strong}}. Thanks Umimmak (talk) 02:01, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Umimmak, I just reread that MOS page, and it covers in some detail when to use and when not to use {{strong}} and {{em}}. Bold, not {{strong}}, should be used for the title and related terms in the lead section. If there is reason to use boldface in the artticle body (usually there isn't) the strong template may well be the best method. DES ^(talk) 02:19, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

kisan devta mandir

Worlds first kisan devta mandir is in Saray mahesh patti pratapgarh 230135 Uttar pradesh India Its a very big news boost it all over the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajpoot saksham (talk • contribs) 05:07, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a news channel. Are you suggesting a new article? Dbfirs 06:41, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

How do i reply

How do i reply to someone who gives me the answer to the question???Monkey88888888 (talk) 09:48, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Instead of creating a new section, you find the section where the message is and hit "edit" next to that section. You use one or more colons ( : ) to indent your post, which goes below the message you are replying to. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:51, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Article using these two sources

If I write an article about Ahrix, using these two sources [1][2], would it survive deletion (AFD/CSD)? The first source is an interview (significant coverage) and the second one is a chart showing the artist meets the notability for musicians criteria (WP:MUSICBIO). I couldn't find any other sources about this topic. - TheMagnificentist 09:08, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, TheMagnificentist, and welcome to the Teahouse. Note that interviews generally fall under the heading of "other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves," and so contribute little to notability. The chart entry might be enough to establish notability, it should be enough to avoid an A7 CSD. But with nothing to say beyond what is in those two sources, it would be a very short article at best. I would advise waiting until additional reliable sources can be found. If Ahrix is truly notable, more will be written about him if it hasn't already been. DES ^(talk) 14:12, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Ah okay thanks! - TheMagnificentist 14:18, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

copyvio

On checking Columbidae with earwig, it shows above 90 percentage confidence with such websites, which are seemingly wikimirrors. So, how to circumvent it for GA? Adityavagarwal (talk) 09:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

I would expect that reviewers can be relied on to disregard demonstrably false positives, such as those caused by mirror sites.--Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:43, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, people like me who spend a lot of time researching and deleting copyright violations are thoroughly aware of mirrors and backwards copyvios, and never rely on Earwig's tool or any others without checking the source and if it was actually first such as by using the Wayback Machine, looking in the article history to see whether content developed slowly over time or was adding in large swaths and related methods.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:37, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Changing user name

When I created my wikipedia user, I was not aware of the fact that the login name would be the same as the display name. I created my account with the user name Jpkent, thinking I would be able to use my full name Jean-Pierre Kent later as a display name. When I discovered this was not the case, I looked for a way to correct this, and I chose the function Move. The result is a mess. The Jpkent signature produced by the four tildes now sends you to User:Jean-Pierre Kent where I used it before the move, but to User:Jpkent for the more recent cases. What must I do now to obtain a signature that reads Jean-Pierre Kent and redirects to User:Jean-Pierre Kent, without breaking the links from the older signatures?

Jpkent (talk) 16:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jpkent, welcome to the Teahouse. The user page should be at the name of the account so I have moved commons:User:Jean-Pierre Kent back to commons:User:Jpkent. You have two options. One is to enter Jean-Pierre Kent in the "Signature" field at Special:Preferences (don't make a checkmark below it). Then your signature will say "Jean-Pierre Kent (talk)", displaying "Jean-Pierre Kent" but linking to User:Jpkent. Repeat this at commons:Special:Preferences and other wikis you edit in the future. The signature field only affects the signature. If you want to be called Jean-Pierre Kent elsewhere, for example at top of your user page and in page histories, then you must use another option: Making a request at Wikipedia:Changing username. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:34, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jpkent, and welcome to the Teahouse. The page User:Jean-Pierre Kent does not exist, and should not, because no one has registered that as a user name. Your signature now seems to be linking to User:Jpkent, as it should.

What you can most easily do is use a customn signature as detailed in WP:CUSTOMSIG That could include your full name, if you wish. If you wish to go farther you could create a valid alternate account of the sort known as a Doppelgänger account, and then redirect [[User:Jean-Pierre Kent] to User:Jpkent. If you want more detailed advice on how to do this, or assitance, please say so. I hope this helps. DES ^(talk) 17:34, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Changes to a template dont display on articles its used at

Hello, I am a newcomer to Wikipedia so there is a lot I don't understand. One being that changes I did to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ornithodira by adding extra characters do not display on (likely) all articles this template is used at. I read about templates, did things such as clearing my browser cache and checking edits from different computer, but the issue is still there. I tried the trick of editing source and then clicking save changes without doing anything on some pages. But I found that time consuming, especially because I don't know how to search for every article that has this template. Much help and tips for me to keep in mind from now on is much appreciated! WikiEditorMax (talk) 16:50, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi WikiEditorMax, welcome to the Teahouse. When a template is edited, pages using the template are placed in a job queue and will eventually be updated automatically but it varies how long it takes. You can force an update of a specific page with the trick you mention but it's usually fine to just wait for the job queue which uses less server resources. You can click "What links here" under "Tools" in the left pane of a template to find pages using the template. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:12, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, WikiEditorMax, and welcome to the Teahouse. You may need to wait until the automated behind the scenes processing catches up. Note that the null edit needs to be performed on the article that transcludes the template, not the template itself. You can find a list of articles that use the template by going to the template page Template:Ornithodira, and clicking "what links here", On most skins this is in the list of tools and other links on the left of the page. It seems that there are between 50 and 100 such articles.

I note that in thjis edit you removed a group from the template, the Marasuchidae. Was this your intention? DES ^(talk) 17:15, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both! Now that this is clear for me I'd rather wait than force that change to all those pages. And yes, it was my intention to remove that group. WikiEditorMax (talk) 17:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Page throwing error for wrong infobox

Hello! Doc James and I are trying to figure out why Cerebral palsy is throwing an unknown parameter error for the complications field in Template:Infobox medical condition even through it's actually using Template:Infobox medical condition (new), which does support complications. And the parameter works just fine! Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks! – 𝕘wendy | ☎ 16:04, 30 April 2017 (UTC) -->

Hi Gwendy. {{#invoke:Check for unknown parameters|...}} in {{Infobox medical condition (new)}} must list all known parameters. Other parameters are assume to be unknown. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:08, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

User:PrimeHunter I am not sure what you mean? How does one fix this false warning? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:40, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@Doc James: Edit {{Infobox medical condition (new)}}. Look for {{#invoke:Check for unknown parameters|...}} near the end, add complications and any other known parameters to the list of known parameters there, and change "Category:Pages using infobox medical condition with unknown parameters" to the real name of the template. Detection of unknown parameters is unfortunately not automatic. You have to provide a list of all known parameters. It's not checked whether the list corresponds to the actual code of the template. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:46, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

User:PrimeHunter It worked :-) Many many thanks. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:50, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@Doc James: I have seen your edit [3] and removed [4] complication (singular) since it's not currently a known parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:10, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Article Replication doubt

I created an article Trashigang Dzong. However as I was working on expanding the article, I noticed that a 1 line stub article which probably refers to the same monastery already exists at Trashigang Nunnery. Is there someway I can save my article or is it useless to expand it anymore as the article will be deleted soon.Jupitus Smart 17:04, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jupitus Smart. Your work need not be lost. If these two articles are about the same monastery, they can be merged. You can suggest this by using the templates {{Merge to}} and {{Merge from}} appropriately. DES ^(talk) 17:20, 30 April 2017 (UTC) I hope this is helpful, Jupitus Smart. DES ^(talk) 17:21, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you DES. I have acted upon your suggestion. Let us see how it transpires now.Jupitus Smart 17:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@DESiegel: Would it be improper if I just redirected the original Trashigang Nunnery page to Trashigang Dzong. Trashigang Dzong is the commonly used name, and there is nothing in the original article to merit a merge anyway. Jupitus Smart 17:55, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jupitus Smart: If it's the same place then it seems clear one of the articles should be redirected to the other. Trashigang Nunnery gives me the impression it's a current monastery. If that's true then Trashigang Dzong should mention it. If you redirect the Nunnery article then please update the link in {{Buddhist monasteries in Bhutan}}. Articles don't have to update links. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:33, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: The dzong is indeed a current monastery and I have added that to the new article. I have also redirected the original page as per the suggestions. Thank You. Jupitus Smart 19:04, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

To Translate or not?

Hello, I have recently translated an article into Dutch "Blue Air bestemmingen", but it was marked for speedy deletion as it was seen as a duplication on the English article. I have maintained the same format as the English article. I don't understand; Why is my translated article removed, I thought I would contribute by translating the article...?Leo 0607 51 (talk) 17:21, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Leo 0607 5, and welcome to the Teahouse. Translations of Wikipedia articles can indeed be helpful, but you must understand how to use them. This is the English-language edition of Wikipedia: all articles here should be in English. Articles from other language editions of Wikipedia may be translated and added here. Articles from the en-Wikipedia may be translated and added to the appropriate version of Wikipedia, in this case the Dutch-language edition, Each edition of Wikipedia has its own local customs and procedures, and you must conform with those. I confess that I do not know the details of any formats that the Dutch-language Wikipedia might use. But in any case, your translation should not be posted to the English-language Wikipedia, but to the Dutch-language one. See Wikipedia:Translation and Wikipedia:Translate us for more details. If you need a copy of your translated text for that purpose, let me know and I will email it to you. DES ^(talk) 17:45, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello DES, thank you for your reply. If posting my translation to the wrong section/departement of Wikipedia is the source of my issue, then the issue is solved, since I might just messed up the posting . Leo 0607 51 (talk) 18:04, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Leo 0607 51. I see you translated Blue Air destinations to nl:Blue Air bestemmingen at the Dutch Wikipedia so you did post it in the right place and parts of the first reply don't apply. But Wikipedia languages are edited independently and have different policies. I don't know Dutch but the Dutch Wikipedia did apparently not want a list of airline destinations. Based on Google Translate they didn't complain it was translated from the English Wikipedia but said it belonged on the official website of the airline itself. The English Wikipedia also thinks some things only belong on an official website and not Wikipedia, but in English we do allow lists of airline destinations. We have a big Category:Lists of airline destinations but I notice it has no interlanguage link to the Dutch Wikipedia which may not have such pages. Issues with the Dutch Wikipedia should be brought up there. This Teahouse is only for the English Wikipedia. DES and I are only administrators at the English Wikipedia so we cannot access deleted pages at the Dutch Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:23, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello PrimeHunter, thank you for your reply and for your time to take a dive into the history of the page. I guess I will do some other improvement tasks on the English and Dutch Wikipedia and I will link to the official website rather than translating such articles in the future. Cheers Leo 0607 51 (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

PrimeHunter thank you for finding the page that was posted on the Dutch Wikipedia. I was basing my comment on the page Blue Air bestemmingen, which was posted here on en by Leo 0607 5, and deleted by Alexf under CSD A10. The standards for what kinds of articles are accepted do vary between the different language editions of Wikipedia. DES ^(talk) 19:04, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Ensuring the truth is used

I have a problem, on the page 'Jenny Cockell' one pivotal fact keeps being removed. There is also a misdirection that keeps being added. It is about naming the village of Malahide

Cockell first indicated and named Malahide as the location of her past life memory whilst at primary school and drew maps of the village from memory. It was pivotal to the research. Unless Malahide had been named in childhood there would have been no research and there would be no page named Jenny Cockell on Wikipedia. Researchers from the BBC and from the Society for Psychical Research interviewed witnesses who Cockell spoke to in childhood to confirm that the memories and Malahide were mentioned in childhood.

How do I ensure that this pivotal and well documented fact remains on the page? Jonparkyn Jonparkyn (talk) 04:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jonparkyn. The first step you should take is to communicate with the other editors about your concerns. I see one editor, MjolnirPants, has already tried to communicate with you about the article here: Talk:Jenny Cockell#edit warring. You should discuss your concerns with them on the article's talk page. — Gestrid (talk) 04:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the input-someone has corrected the error now. I am leaving Wikipedia and will no longer edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonparkyn (talk • contribs) 07:23, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

introduction for trajectory of water jetz

i want a intoduction about trajectory of water jet in the fluid mechanics 185.56.193.147 (talk) 23:29, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello. This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. You might find what you need in the article fluid mechanics; or else I suggest you ask at the Science section of the Wikipedia reference desk. --ColinFine (talk) 09:37, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

How to add a row in an existing table

I am very very new to this, and finding it quite difficult! But I thought I'd try adding an item to the Timeline of Maltese History, in which I am interested. I failed at the first hurdlIe; couldn't work out how to add a row to the existing table, to insert my new item. Any guidance, please? GiovanniGozo (talk) 15:10, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I've taken a look at the page, and it's using a Year / Date / Event layout. So in the area that you're looking to make an addition, simply add the line: | XX || YY || ZZ

where XX is the year of the event, YY is the specific date, if one exists, and ZZ is the description for the event. Hope that helps. (*if you make the change and it's not coming out as you'd like, give me a shout*) - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 16:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, GiovanniGozo! Could you provide the exact name of the article you're referring to? We don't seem to have one called Timeline of Maltese History, and there's no record of your editing any similar article under your current username. (For general advice on tables, Help:Table/Introduction to tables may be helpful, by the way.) Rivertorch^FIRE _WATER 16:55, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Seems to be a casing issue there... lol Timeline of Maltese history vs "History". - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 16:58, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Philippine navy

A pleasant afternoon to you all. I am just trying to remove some certain parts at the page, particularly at the "future of the philippine navy" part. As far as the filipino people are concerned, the ones I am trying to remove are pertaining to already commissioned ships and assets of the navy. So there's no reason to include an item which is presently active in the navy to the portion talking about its "future". If this is a policy of the wiki management to revert it all over and over again, please ask the editors first who only volunteer on doing this before bringing the article back to its redudant state. I've seen some similar changes in the philipine air force page which I am trying to emulate in the philippine navy page, particularly about taking out the portions talking about already commissioned assets in the future assets portion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosmiccomrade15th (talk • contribs) 13:51, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Cosmiccomrade15th, and welcome to the TeaHouse. I see that you have bele en removing entire sourced sections of the article Philippine Navy that with the announced future plans of that navy. It is appropriate for a broad article such as Philippine Navy to cover future activities, when those are supported by cited reliable sources. If you think that specific facts do not belong in the article, or should go in a different section, I urge you to discuss this at Talk:Philippine Navy, particularly after another editor has reverted your changes. Please follow the Bold, revert, discuss pattern. DES ^(talk) 14:31, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Welcome Cosmiccomrade15th, You gave a clear reason for your changes here. However you didn't explain it when you made the edits. You can often avoid having your edits reverted simply by providing an edit summary explaining the reason for your changes. (& in this case possibly providing a link to a source that backs up your contention that the items are no longer 'future') See WP:Help:Edit_summary. Gab4gab (talk) 17:55, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Adding a page about an event coordinated by someone I know personally.

I wanted to write an article about an annual charity music event that raises money generally for nonprofits local to the Baltimore area. I want to write about the event, mentioning its history - how it came about and ongoing . I personally know who started the event.

I do not plan on writing the page to promote the event, the beneficiaries of the event, or the person responsible for initiating the event. It is merely to add to the musical history of Baltimore, and I think I might have enough content and existing references to warrant for the event to have its own page.

The event has been covered by newspaper, radio, and television in the Baltimore and Ocean Pines areas of Maryland. Further, it has recurred every year since 2013, and will do so indefinitely. The event is overseen by a 501(c)(3) charity. Essentially, it is a charity that raises funds for other charities.

Since I know the person who started the event, am I too "close" to create a Wikipedia page about the event? By knowing the person, it does help me gather information more easily, but I would write it objectively. Would it be in danger of deletion if I created the page?

By the way, I have never written an article for Wikipedia before, but I have limited experience with editing existing pages.

Smstuckey (talk) 20:52, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey Smstuckey. You do have a conflict of interest, which doesn't mean you can't write it, but it does mean your creation of it and edits about it are subject to heightened scrutiny. The fact that you're asking about it rather than just doing it is itself a very good sign.

The first consideration is whether or not sufficient reliable, secondary and independent published sources exist and contain substantive detail about the topic (not just mere mentions – think two of three dedicated paragraphs) upon which the article can be based, and in order to demonstrate it is a notable topic that warrants a stand-alone article. Gather your sources first and only write if that standard is met—because if sources of that type and depth don't exist, you will be wasting your own time.

If that hurdle is a go, and you are intent on writing this, cite those sources transparently as you go, and include nothing in the article that is not verified in them (the sources are cited to verify the information, but you must write in your own words).

Include no original research. What you know, but can't verify in a reliable, published source, cannot be included. I mention this because you sort of imply by saying you "personally know who started the event", that maybe that is not a published fact.

Further, please read Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations, the neutral point of view policy and WP:PEACOCK. I know I've thrown a lot of links at you. The thing is, vast numbers of people start articles without basic due diligence about how and whether to write an article, often starting ones that cannot remain for myriad reasons, and so we end up deleting a few thousand pages every day as written in a blatantly promotional manner, as failing to credibly indicate any importance, as copyright violations, etc. This is not ideal for anyone involved. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:35, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I posted New Workers' Voice but it got speedily deleted. why

I posted about my new online magazine New Workers' Voice newworkersvoice.com but it got speedily deleted. why and when I first started publishing in 2001 I had posted back then and it got deleted too. I noticed many other media and magazines listed in wiki. Why would mine get deleted?? Jethro Cull (talk) 22:01, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jethro Cull. There is some text on your user talk page explaining why the article was deleted, including many blue links to pages which explain terms and policy in more detail. Not being an administrator, I can't look at the text that was deleted, so I can't tell you specifically what was not acceptable; but in general I can say that Wikipedia (which is not called "wiki", by the way: there are thousands of wikis on the internet) does not contain articles about everything, but only about subjects which are notable in Wikipedia's special sense, which means that people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to write substantial material about the subject, published in a reliable place such as a major newspaper or a book from a reputable publisher. If your magazine is new, it is unlikely to meet that criterion.

If your magazine is notable in that sense, then there may be an article: this must be neutrally written, based almost entirely on what those reliable independent sources say about it. Wikipedia has very little interest in what a subject says about itself, and absolutely no interest in how a subject wishes to be written about. As the proprietor of the magazine, you have a conflict of interest, which may make it difficult for you to write in a sufficiently neutral way, so you are discouraged from writing about it.

We have many articles about magazines (which are, or should be, more than "listings"). Ideally they are all high quality articles about notable topics; but among our five million articles there are unfortunately some low quality articles, and some which should never have been written (typically they were created long ago, when we were less diligent than we are now). Please don't compare your work with an article which might be poor: if you want an article to compare with, look through category:Featured articles for one on a suitable subject. --ColinFine (talk) 22:31, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Submission of 1st article

Hello sir/mam,

i am trying to submit my first article about a political figure. it was deleted as i submitted it twice . kindly help 123shob123 (talk) 00:11, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, 123shob123, and welcome to the Teahouse. User:123shob123/sandbox/Haji Anayat Ali was deleted by RHaworth with the note: "This draft appears to be a (slightly) outdated version of Draft:Haji Anayat Ali, both this page and that draft were created by the same account." Is that incorrect? Was this intended to be a different article? DES ^(talk) 00:58, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

The duplicate draft in your sandbox was deleted because the draft at Draft:Haji Anayat Ali had earlier been submitted for review, but I notice that in this edit you removed the submission template. Did you deliberately remove it from the review process? I have added a template which will allow you (or another user) to submit the draft for review again when it is ready. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:23, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit out irrelevant information

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_addiction#China

I want to edit out

"Treatment for the patients, most of whom have been forced to attend by parents or government officials, include various forms of pain including shock therapy.[30][31] In August 2009, Deng Sanshan was reportedly beaten to death in a correctional facility for video game and Web addiction.[32]"

This is information from gossip websites from 2007. I don't understand how a crime is releveant to addiction treatment. I think it has no relevance to the topic. Should I edit this out? How should I do it? Ogomemnon (talk) 04:30, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello Ogomemnon. Welcome to the Teahouse. I only glanced at it quickly, but it looks as if the sources there include the Guardian and Wired—not quite what I'd call gossip websites. I'm not so sure that a named patient/victim belongs, but the rest of it does seem at least somewhat relevant. These things are usually best discussed at an article's talk page, though, so that the various editors who watch the article can reach consensus. You might want to start a new thread at Talk:Video game addiction and see where consensus lies. Rivertorch^FIRE _WATER 05:32, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Are these edits wrong ?

My initial edits on Wikipedia began as appealing for few articles for undeletion at Request for undeletion form. As I am new, I was not aware of the aftermaths, I did some mistakes I think. One admin named, tokyogirl placed some warrant on my talk page as well giving me a strict warning in a polite way that I may be representing some company or I am a paid editor. But that is not the case. All I want to work is on suggested and deleted articles and stub and under developed articles or articles which still need some improvement. So is it a good or a bad step for a new user to start right away with deleted articles asked to be undeleted and asking for their improvement ? I am feeling a little scary as well as I just saw my name in some spi case which I cannot understand what is it all about. Conflictoreditor (talk) 16:52, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Conflictoreditor, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is a bit unusual for a new editor to start off by asking for deleted articles to be restored, but there is nothing wrong in doing so. It may raise a suspicion that you are not as new as you say, but are instead an old editor under a new name. But if that is not so, if you truly think you can improve a deleted article so that it is s suitable for Wikipedia, that is a good intention. Some articles will not be restored, of course, such as copyright violations and attack pages. If pages are restored, it may well be in the Draft: namespace.

I do wonder how you happened to know of specific deleted pages that you are interested in working on. Would you care to let us know that? DES ^(talk) 18:31, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm trying to AGF, but I had the same question.--S Philbrick (Talk) 20:17, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I see that on User talk:Conflictoreditor this user writes: "I picked up random articles from deletion log and started working on it" and again "I am a new user on Wikipedia and had randomly requested for undeletion of few articles." I don't think I have heard of anyone doing that before but it is perfectly possible. DES ^(talk) 00:07, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply, DES ^(talk). The names of the articles were from deletion log. I picked up many pages, searched on them and then came up with some pages which I thought can be restored and I started with only few. I was not aware that these things will happen after requesting at undeletion for. I again apologize for that. Conflictoreditor (talk) 10:45, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

How to add a brand name to the Indian brands page? Thanks

Hi,

I would like to add a brand names to the list of indian brands page. Kindly help me how to do it.

Thanks

(Srinu7j (talk) 09:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi (Srinu7j, welcome to the Teahouse. Which brand and which list? If you refer to Category:Indian brands then categories are only for subjects with Wikipedia articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:39, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for quick reply, yes I was referring to Category:Indian brands.. So how do I go about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srinu7j (talk • contribs) 09:52, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

{{u|Srinu7j]], does the brand you want to add have a Wikipedia article? If it does al you need to do is add [[Category:Indian brands]] to the bottom of the page. If it does not it is more complicated. ~ GB fan 10:06, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Thanks for your reply. No, it doesnot have a wikipedia article at present. It would be great if you can let me know how can I do it?

Srinu7j (talk) 10:36, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Srinu7j. For an introduction to the difficult task of creating a new Wikipedia article (whether about a brand or anything else), please study your first article. Please understand that Wikipedia may not be used for advertising, and if you have any connection with the brand in question you need to be aware of the restrictions on editing with a conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 10:47, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

How do I create an article for a musician and approve it?

My aunty, Ms.Bela Sulakhe is a Playback singer. She had a wikipedia page a while ago but somehow got deleted. I wish to make a new one with a proper and honest information about her. Please Guide me. Kimaya Sulakhe (talk) 12:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@Kimaya Sulakhe: You will need to find multiple reliable sources created independently of her that discuss her in significant depth, to demonstrate notability. If those references exist, make sure to stick only to facts the references actually verify, not use any personal knowledge not verified by references, and ensure that the article is neutral in tone. Since you're close to the subject and that can make it hard to maintain neutrality, you might consider using the draft and articles for creation processes to get feedback rather than trying to write the article directly into the encyclopedia. If substantial amounts of independent and reliable reference material about her don't exist, I'm afraid she wouldn't be an appropriate subject for an article at all. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 12:53, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks A lot ! It was Very Helpful.

Kimaya Sulakhe (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Multiple rejection despite major rewrite, no specific reason given.

Hi, I'm still trying to get this article published after many months, but repeated generic 'feedback' like 'This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article." is at best subjective, at worst lazy.

If I'm to make any progress with this I need specific feedback, ie this (quote) reads like an essay not an encyclopedia article, because...

If the reviewer can't do this, then the fault cannot be as glaring as the dismissal implies. I've even asked a colleague who is an English teacher to read over this, and he's at a loss as to how to direct me as well. As a native English speaker and teacher of English for over 30 years, I'm utterly stymied at this point. If I'd known trying to contribute to the amazing body of knowledge that is Wikipedia would be this frustrating, I never would have started. MisterMcHugh (talk) 12:07, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Can you provide a link to the article? Bennv3771 (talk) 12:09, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

It isn't hard to look at his contributions or talk page and see he is talking about Draft:Digital Literacy Coach. ~ GB fan 12:16, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I was just about to provide the same link, but stopped to read the essay. It's a good essay, which is what teachers of English are trained to write, but it is not written as an encyclopaedia article. Despite many references to related matters, it still looks like WP:Original research to me. If your aim is to " put out to a wider community to invite a wider discussion" then possibly you need to publish the material elsewhere. Dbfirs 12:19, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Can anyone cite a specific instance of its 'essay like nature', to say it look like OR makes no sense, I've gone out of my way to back up everything with sources, "To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented." My main purpose to add to the body of knowledge that is Wikipedia, anything else is a bonus. Nothing in Wikipedia describes what this role is. MisterMcHugh (talk) 12:33, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Could you point us to one reliable source on the subject of Digital Literacy Coach? Your aim seems to be to publicise this term. I agree that it has been used in a small number of contexts, but not yet widely. Dbfirs 12:40, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Most of the references aren't available online, which isn't itself a problem, but neither of the two which I could read (refs 2 and 19) use the term "Digital Literacy Coach". We need references which talk specifically about the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:43, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Fair point, many of the peer reviewed sources will be behind a pay wall. It's not so much the nomenclature, as the many derivatives that relate to it, as mentioned in the article, eg 'ICT Coordinator'. If you Google 'Digital Literacy Coach' you'll see many educational institutions who use this term or the related terms in the article, eg 'Tech Coach' etc. Do I need to change the title of the article to 'ICT Coordinator' which is cited by peer reviewed journals? How authoritative does the use of the term need to be? These schools all seem to use the term, and that's not including its derivatives:

https://www.uwcsea.edu.sg/Learning/Technology http://solutions.asf.edu.mx/jobapplication/Admin/Files/2017%20-%202018%20Digital%20Literacy%20Coach%20announcement.pdf http://manaraacademy.org/jobs/digital-literacy-technology-coach/ http://www.langleyteachers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Digital-Literacy-Coach-flyer-final-2013.pdf https://www.cis.edu.sg/learning/digital-literacy

These peer reviewed journals also use/refer to the term, so do I need to add these to my sources? O'Connor, D. L., & Ertmer, P. A. (2003). Today's Coaches Prepare Tomorrow's Mentors: Sustaining the Results of Professional Development. http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED482676 Ertmer, P. A., Richardson, J., Cramer, J. E. F. F. R. Y., Hanson, L. A. U. R. A., Huang, W., Lee, Y. E. K. Y. U. N. G., ... & Um, E. J. (2005). Professional development coaches: Perceptions of critical characteristics. Journal of School Leadership, 15(1), 52-75. https://books.google.com.sg/books?hl=en&lr=&id=VpYjBQAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA52&dq=%22digital+literacy+coach%22&ots=idt-SWfzn6&sig=FrDtkuqb6_1P0nqkACFLjs6QpR8 Trainin, G., & Friedrich, L. A. (2014). Technological pedagogical content knowledge in teacher preparation: Impact of coaching professional development and mobile devices. http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cehsgpirw/29/ MisterMcHugh (talk) 13:16, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I thought it might be helpful to look at a featured article about a profession to see how one can write such an article in encyclopedic style, rather than in the style of an essay. . I know of only one, Actuary. Mduvekot (talk) 13:47, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Mduvekot I've been doing precisely this, but using this article based on the teaching profession. I can't for the life of me see a stark difference! Again, I seek a specific example, the fact the none has been forthcoming surely shows that the distinction is not as obvious as is implied by the constant rejection of this article... MisterMcHugh (talk) 14:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Mistermchugh. I hope that I can be of some help to you. One thing that is needed is sources to show that the term Digital Literacy Coach is in reasonably wide use. The sources you note above, plus such items as https://conference.iste.org//2015/?id=94325430 and https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/coaching-for-digital-literacy/id608805196?mt=11 and http://solutions.asf.edu.mx/jobapplication/Admin/Files/2017%20-%202018%20Digital%20Literacy%20Coach%20announcement.pdf will help with that. The issue of the tone of the draft is also important, and harder to explain. To say that it is "essay-like" is perhaps not very helpful -- clearly you have not found it so. Perhaps it would be better top say that the draft currently is prescriptive and exhortive, rather than descriptive. A Wikipedia article should describe something, as objectivly and neutrally as possible. It should not tell people how to do something, nor try to forward a point of view. For example the draft now says: "This approach should not only focus on the use of digital tools but should equally emphasise the importance of the use digital tools to teach curriculum content using pedagogical approaches that support learning and teaching" This is telling people how to be a DLC, not describing what a DLC is and what a DLC does. When the draft says "A DLC must consider the curricular goals..." it again feels more instructional than descriptive. "All interventions led by a DLC should be pedagogically centred..." has a similar feeling". Changing the draft so that it is as purely descriptivev in tone and content as possible should help a lot.

I also notice a possible problem in sourcing. The sentence "The provision of skills training onsite to teachers in the use digital tools can be difficult to achieve, due to conflicting demands on time and space." is supported by a cited source, one of the few that is online. But this source, or at least its abstract, does not mention any "difficulties". It describes a study of how providing such support worked, and perhaps the body of the source describes such difficulties. The quote= parameter of the citation templates can be used to provide a short supporting quote from a source. This is very helpful when the source is offline, or behind a paywall.

I alos see a few grammer issues, such as "... using information communication technologies (ICTs) or digital tools, such as laptops or tablets, effectively to enhance teaching and learning" and "some institutions choose to utilise some expenses,..." but these can be handled by normal editing. I think this draft can be made into a useful and aceptable Wikipedia Article, with some work. DES ^(talk) 14:14, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

DES Thanks for this, this is the kind of feedback I was hoping for, now I have work to do! I'm still not sure why your feel those are grammatical issues? Is it because I've used British spelling? Sorry if it's obvious to you, but I'm not seeing the error? --MisterMcHugh (talk) 06:49, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Mistermchugh No not spelling issues at all. I would think that "effectively to enhance teaching " should be "to effectively enhance teaching" or better just "to enhance teaching". As for "some institutions choose to utilise some expenses" one does not use expenses, one spends them, or uses funds, and "use" is almost always better than "utilise" in my view. But those are details and can be addressed by cooperative editing. DES ^(talk) 14:11, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

De-Indexing Talk Page

Hello,

I recently participated in the creation of a Wiki entry for Gryphon Investors. The page was approved for publication and is now indexed in search engines. I notice that the associated Talk page is also indexed in search engines. Do Talk pages always index automatically? Should they be de-indexed and is there a way to do this? Thank you. Enjoying contributing to Wikipedia and appreciate your help.

Arsenl2017 (talk) 14:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Arsenl2017 and welcoem back to the Teahouse. You might want to read Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing. By default, article talk pages are subject to indexing by search engines. Is there a reason why you would want Talk:Gryphon Investors not to be indexed? DES ^(talk) 15:16, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you for your answer. No special reason. I just saw that the listings come up together in Google and was wondering why there would be two different associated pages listed for the Wiki entry. Thank you. Arsenl2017 (talk) 15:22, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Anyways, now I can't seem to find the gryphon investors site in Google, just the Talk page. Arsenl2017 (talk) 15:28, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia page: Lambeau Field; should I edit the following information?

Hi I am working on the Lambeau Field article and noticed that it doesn't have "Holiday Events." Do you think I should add the following information? If so, where exactly in the article?

A Halloween celebration, “Spooktacular Fun,” that includes live music, food, and performances from the like of magicians, clowns, and jugglers. http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-press-release/article-1/Lambeau-Field-Atrium-to-host-14th-annual-Spooktacular-Oct-1/919d798a-6e56-49f4-8b57-543b2e7559f8

A December themed occasion, Festival of Lights, that highlights a visit from Santa Claus, decorating cookies, choirs signing, and many festive lights. http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-press-release/article-1/Eleventh-annual-Festival-of-Lights-at-Lambeau-Field-set-for-Dec-3/57c51db9-99c4-4a02-97b5-71209f9e343c

“Project Play 60” is a day in March that concentrates on getting kids out of the house to appreciate non-strenuous physical movement. More than 20,000 people attend the Atrium and enjoy activities. http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-press-release/article-1/Project-Play-60-set-for-March-4-in-Lambeau-Field-Atrium/93ed658c-7890-4027-a529-4735b1783311

Looking forward to hearing thoughts!

Jmparr (talk) 16:43, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jmparr. In my view, that information is not appropriate for an encyclopaedia. In any case, I would not include these events unless you can find an independent source which talks about them, and is not just a listing or based on a press release. The thing to understand is that, as with any article, Wikipedia has essentially no interest in anything which they Packers say or want to say about their stadium: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the place have published about it. --ColinFine (talk) 18:06, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Natural News.Com

Wikipedia is not the place to promote pet theories.

Good Day,

The description on this page regarding vaccines is inaccurate. It is published science that vaccines, especially the MMR causes a higher rate of Autism than unvaccinated children. Especially in young African-American males under 36 months of age. Check Pubmed.gov or the CDC. Thanks2602:306:306C:6960:ECFD:D6EE:B0B7:F4EE (talk) 10:44, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps you could give a reference for this controversial research? Dbfirs 11:17, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

But not just any references, the cited source must comply with the specific standard for sources about medical claims. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:51, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

It is "published science" that autism's connection to vaccination is thoroughly debunked, pseudoscientific bunk that all has its origins in a "1998 publication of a fraudulent research paper in the medical journal The Lancet that lent support to the later discredited claim...", and that people like you who still glom onto and perniciously spread this—maybe yourself not vaccinating your children, but causing other credulous and ill-informed people not to vaccinate—kill people, by causing holes in the vaccinated population so that vulnerable innocents like infants, people with compromised immune systems, and the like who can't be immunized, end up being exposed and dying from a pathogen that would otherwise not be as prevalent or would be mostly eradicated.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:20, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Just saying, my science doesn't agree with an ip address. Creeper Ninja (talk) 18:25, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Error when I try to post

Hello everyone,

I've tried updating several pages today and keep getting this red error message when I try to post:

"Error Saving Data to Server. Empty Server Response".

I've tried refreshing, relaunching my browser, nothing seems to help? Thanks!

Winter.cat (talk) 17:48, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

I just noticed that I can successfully post changes if I don't include a citation to a news article. Odd? What am I doing wrong? Winter.cat (talk) 18:00, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey Winter.cat. I'm not sure what is going on, but it seems there's a glitch and you're not the only person experiencing it. See Wikipedia:Help desk#I can't save my edits, which secondarily refers to another report at Commons:Commons:Help desk#ERROR MESSAGE WHEN SAVING. The place where the tech gurus/developers hang out is Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). It might be useful to post there. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:14, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@Winter.cat: Looks like this problem should now be resolved, thanks for reporting it! Sam Walton (talk) 18:05, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much, guys! Most appreciated for the updates. Winter.cat (talk) 18:48, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

don't understand

All I've ever wanted to do on Wikipedia was to create a page for Brian Giffey, but there is now some problem about my own page which I never intentionally created; it is just a byproduct created by your system. I have just filled the space with some content which you don't seem to like. However, my person is not important here and if you want to delete my page, I don't mind in the least. All I want to know is when are you going to publish the page/article about Brian Giffey, please?Tinatamman (talk) 20:28, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

I think I'm confused by your question -- the page for Brian Giffey is already up and going. Are you maybe seeing a cached version of it or something? - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 20:39, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Your user page User:Tinatamman was deleted after your post. You created it 2 April 2017. You never had to create it. It's optional to have a user page. You created the article Brian Giffey 30 March 2017‎ and it has been a published part of Wikipedia since then. You don't say why you think otherwise but I guess it's because external search engines like Google don't show it. New articles get the noindex tag for 30 days or until they are patrolled by a user with the required user right. noindex tells search engines to not index the page. The page has not been patrolled but is now more than 30 days old so it no longer has the noindex tag. It varies how long it takes search engines to index a page. They only had a few days after noindex was removed and they must visit the page to detect it's no longer noindexed. You just have to wait. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:32, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

References Question

is it better to have more citations and references than less, if submitting a new wiki article?Zack198 (talk) 19:46, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

It's best to have the right number − enough to verify every statement in the article, but particularly any that are likely to be challenged. However, quality matters more than quality. At present, every reference in Skaz One gives a 404 message. Maproom (talk) 21:31, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

All references were badly misformatted. I have fixed enough to make them render with working links.[5] PrimeHunter (talk) 21:46, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Images

whats the easiest way to insert images into an article submission? Ive tried the upload form, but do i need the file name from my computer? I'm clueless to this, someone just break it down for me and I will be forever grateful. Because however it is done, I'm having a lot of trouble figuring it out. Thanks Zack198 (talk) 22:27, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Allowed to provide information about a free software produce?

Hi,

I am new to this. I have an educational piece of software I am wanting to provide information on via Wikipedia. Use of the software at a basic level is free. There is a more advanced paid for configuration but that will be advertsised at the site.

Is this allowed on Wikipedia? I have seen many other articles about software so I assumed it would be ok.

Thanks Ian Ian.armstrong (talk) 22:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Ian.armstrong and welcome to the Teahouse. In general, the answer is "no, unless the software is notable", that is unless it has been discussed in some detail in multiple independent (of the creator and publisher) published reliable sources. If you are the author of the software, you have a conflict of interest, and are discouraged from writing about it. If it is truly notable someone else will do so sooner or later. DES ^(talk) 00:23, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

wondering if this page would be appropriate?

I want to create an article about a famous person she is famous on Instagram with about 3 million followers she is the author of a meme account and is a makeup guru would an article on her be appropriate? Fukbithes (talk) 02:34, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Who a person is or what they do really doesn't matter -- what matters is: are there multiple professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are not affiliated with her but are still specifically about her?. We really do not care at all how many Instagram followers someone has or how many memes a person has made. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:59, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Templates

How Can Make A Template Float To The Left(Or any Direction)? SwagGangster (talk) 01:25, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

You can click and drag the particular template and paste it onto your left hand side.Abishe (talk) 03:56, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

My page deletion.

Dear Sir, my page with the title 'Abdullahi Suleiman Otiwe' has been deleted for so long and I am very happy for that because I don't want that particular page to be found online again but anytime I make a search about it, I can still find it. Please could you help me to delete the page finally from your website? This is the link to what I am complaining about: http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Abdullahi_Suleiman_Otiwe In short, I want you to disable that page by deleting it as as not to appear on search engine again. Thanks for your cooperation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asokogi (talk • contribs) 10:54, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I don't think the page you have linked to is affiliated with Wikipedia. It seems to be a wiki that preserves speedy deleted pages. I'm not entirely sure but you would probably have to communicate with that website regarding your issue. 331dot (talk) 09:55, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, speedydeletion.wikia is a site which we here at Wikipedia have no control over. But it does say here, "We do delete articles about kids and private citizens." So if you write to them explaining that you are Abdullahi Suleiman Otiwe, and a private citizen, and you want the page deleted, they will probably oblige. Maproom (talk) 10:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

If I want to change the title of an article, what is the usual procedure? For instance do I engage in a discussion with the person who started the article or do I just change it?

If I want to change the title of an article, what is the usual procedure? For instance do I engage in a discussion with the person who started the article or do I just change it?Ériugena (talk) 11:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Ériugena, and welcome to the Teahouse. It depends on the circumstance, but the most usual procedure is to open a discussion on the talk page of the article in question. If there is a consensus to move the article, or if no one comments in, say a week or more, you may move it. Or you may make use of the Requested moves page. See WP:MOVE for more details. DES ^(talk) 12:35, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Posting your proposal, and your reasoning, on the Talk page and then waiting a few days to see if anyone comments, would be a most reasonable way of approaching the change, particularly if you aren't fully confident of your proposal. However, in the spirit of being bold it is also reasonable to make the change without engaging in discussion, particularly if you see the current title as inaccurate, mis-spelled, or seriously inappropriate. Dolphin (t) 12:38, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Decline Article Dilesh Mehta

Can anyone explain that what is the thing that makes the article promotional in Draft:Dilesh_Mehta. Also please explain what are the resources which seems self published, i just picked all the resources from internet randomly. Wikibaji (talk) 12:49, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

The first source cited is a listing, and lacks significant third-party discussion of the subject. The other seven sources all include quotations of statements from the subject, and so are not independent (they look as if they're based on press releases). If your internet search did not find any reliable independent published sources that discuss the subject, then she probably isn't notable. Maproom (talk) 13:08, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Wikbaji,

Please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in anything which a subject (whether a company, a person, a band, a charity, or anything else) says or wants to say about itself. That includes the subject's own publications, and also anything published by an independent source but based on an interview or press release from the subject. An article should be largely based on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable places. In any case, every single fact or claim in an article should be derived from a published reliable source. Please see WP:V for more information.. --ColinFine (talk) 14:31, 3 May 2017 (UTC)