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How to make a wikipedia page go live?

Basically the subject line. Any help is appreciated.

Once I've completed the page and all how do i make it go live and remove "draft" from the very top as well?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravell (Musical Artist) (talk • contribs)

@Ravell (Musical Artist): Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate template to allow you to submit the draft for review, but I would encourage you to not do so yet. Wikipedia is not a place for users to have social media-style pages about themselves; this is an encyclopedia, where article subjects must be shown with independent reliable sources to meet notability guidelines, in this case those for musicians located at WP:BAND. Please click on that link to review the guidelines. If you can demonstrate with independent sources that you meet at least one of them, please incorporate those changes into the draft before submitting it.

I would also note that Wikipedia highly discourages users from creating autobiographies(though it is not forbidden). Please read WP:AUTO if you have not already. I would say that you are doing the correct thing by submitting a draft first, but you should be prepared to get feedback about it. 331dot (talk) 14:27, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I would also encourage you to slim down the social media links you have posted; a link to an official website and a couple social media platforms is usually OK, but Wikipedia is not a link farm or other place to list all your social media accounts. 331dot (talk) 14:29, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I mistakenly made this account with the username under the artist I represent. I'm the artist's manager, Anthony van Atten. Unfortunately I had not realized if it appears it's an autobiography one is writing on themselves it'd damage the possibility of the page being published. I can definitely remove the social media links. I can certainly add more credentials and reference links. Will me having the artist's name as my username still be an issue? Ravell (talk) 14:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

You must immediately make the declaration required for paid editing. You must also change your user name, see WP:CHUS. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:38, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

You will also need to familiarise yourself with the conflict of interest policy. But to distil all these links into one sentence: please don't continue with this draft. This is an encyclopaedia, not a LinkedIn substitute. Surely you can see how having artists' entries written by their managers undermines people's confidence in our reliability and objectivity? If Ravell is notable, a volunteer will create the article in time. – Joe (talk) 14:57, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

My apologies. I did not mean to offend anyone here. Ravell (talk) 15:25, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I speak only for myself, but I did not take offense from your comments. However, these points we have brought up are extremely important and necessary in order to maintain Wikipedia as a neutral source of information. Managers posting about their clients generally does not fit in with what Wikipedia is about. If all you wish to do is tell the world about this singer, you should confine your efforts to actual social media or their official site. If you are interested in being a Wikipedia contributor in general and not just specifically for this person, you need to comply with the policies mentioned here, especially regarding your username which you should request be changed as soon as possible. 331dot (talk) 15:34, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I now see your username change went through, thanks. 331dot (talk) 15:36, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Think we should let AnthonyvanAtten know, that he is always welcome to edit WP providing he abides by our editing policies. In my view User:Ravell (Musical Artist) &Draft:Ravell has been created for the all the wrong reasons and should be deleted for now (i.e. Blatantly promotional). They can always be resurrected 'if' Ravell becomes encyclopedically notable at some point in the future. Also the draft has no RS and we don't even know if Kat Bein released the image [1]– he did not certainly submit an OTRS ( if Kat is a woman -my unreserved apologies). These days with computerized MIDI , lots of people are now recording artists and they have to do something special if to rise head and shoulders above the primeval pond of wanabies. Suggest to the OP that he is in the wrong place to promote his clients. Aspro (talk) 16:03, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

why isn't my page live?

why isn't my page live? how do i index it and make it go live NitaSa (talk) 16:03, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@NitaSa: You asked this a couple weeks ago, and got an answer, which you can read by clicking this. To answer you again, your sandbox is not part of the encyclopedia and as such will not show up in search engines. I think it needs much work before it is ready to be submitted; please read Your First Article for more information on what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 16:09, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

You also need to read further specific advice about bare URLs and about circular references. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:12, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

New Article Draft

Hi, I'd like to have someone review a draft article I've mocked up for Kara Goldin. How can I go about doing this? Here is the link if that helps speed the process: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kara_Goldin Arnold.kevin729 16:30, 9 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arnold.kevin729 (talk • contribs)

@Arnold.kevin729: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I will shortly add the appropriate template to your draft so you can submit it for review. 331dot (talk) 16:32, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Make public page from Sanbox

I have used Sandbox to practice writing a factual summary of what my company does. How can I transfer this text to make a page called Elgood Effective Learning? Christopherelgood (talk) 11:40, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I have added a submit button, but before submitting you need to make a declaration regarding paid editing, & you need to read about notability, references, reliable sources, & WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@Christopherelgood: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. In short, you should not do so, at least as your page stands now. You seem to have a common misconception about what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which hosts articles about subjects considered to be notable and supported with independent reliable sources. It is not for promotional purposes like merely telling the world about a company(you don't have to be selling something).

If this is "your company", you have what Wikipedia calls a conflict of interest(see WP:COI for more information). That means it is likely difficult for you to write about your company with the proper neutral point of view). You should review WP:COI as soon as possible. If you are employed by this company, you will also need to review and comply with the paid editing policy at WP:PAID, which is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use(in other words, in order to be allowed to use Wikipedia, you must comply with WP:PAID if you are a paid editor)

Please understand that having a page about your company is not necessarily a good thing. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company says about itself, or in how it wishes to be portrayed. We are only interested in what third parties state about it. You cannot lock any page about your company to your preferred text, and you cannot prevent others from editing it. All information, good and bad, can be in a page about your company as long as it appears in an independent reliable source. See WP:PROUD for more information(it is about people, but the principle is the same). Please keep this in mind.

If all you want to do is tell the world about your company, you will need to do so in a different forum such as social media. If you have independent sources that indicate how your company meets the notability guidelines at WP:ORG and feel you can write an appropriate article, you will need to use Articles for Creation to submit a draft for review(after you comply with the policies I state above).

I know I have given you a lot of information, and I apologize, but this is important. If you have other questions, please add them to this section. Thanks 331dot (talk) 11:58, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Why on earth did you submit the draft for review, given what you were told above? Doing so was a waste of your time, but more significantly a waste of reviewers' time. More importantly than that, you were specifically told to look at WP:PAID, yet you have continued to edit without making the required declaration. Doing so is a breach of the Wikimedia terms and conditions, and if you continue to do so you are liable to be blocked from editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:29, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar

Could someone please tell me how to award a barnstar — Preceding unsigned comment added by TMN81 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@TMN81: Look at WP:BARNSTAR. There is a section there that shows how to give one. RudolfRed (talk) 20:12, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Thanks.

How do I create a WikiProject?

hi. imma Xze. how do I create a WikiProject? Xzelion (talk) 00:19, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Xzelion. Welcome to the Teahouse. The process involved in bringing a new group of like-minded wikipedia editors together into a Wikiproject is outlined on this page: Wikipedia:WikiProject. But as you're a brand-new user, I'd really recommend getting familiar with the basics of editing Wikipedia collaboratively by either doing the WP:ADVENTURE or by reading this guidance on creating articles. Getting a brand new WikiProject going on a new topic is a great idea, but is not for the faint-hearted. It really takes commitment. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:31, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Why do some editors get away with editing baseless and obsecure edits, and later revert them?

I have been trying correct incorrect information and I have tried to delete unsourced edits from the 'Pakistan Army' Page under the Propaganda/(controversy) section, the edits have been done out of hate towards the Pakistan Army, with inaccurate and ridiculed information. How can I edit it and prevent it from being reverted, I have also had warning from another user for entering 'unconstructive edit' when I am just correcting 'Page Vandalism', Please can you advise? CorrectionLab 3000 (talk) 01:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi CorrectionLab 3000 the information you are removing might not have references against them but have entire pages dedicated to them. I have opened a discussion on the talk page regrading your edits. Please refrain from editing disruptively on the page until your content removal have been resolved. Adamgerber80 (talk) 01:21, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

wiki page

my page got declined and it said this was the reason why: This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of people, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

i am using notable sources and these arent just mere mentions, ive already refernced the golden role and the beginners for citing and it is still not helping.

Qjp2000 (talk) 00:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Qjp2000. Thanks for coming to the Teahouse to ask your question. I've taken a look at Draft:Adam_Fell, and I know you must be frustrated from having two rejections. But, honestly, there really are a lot of big problems you still need to address before what you have written could ever be accepted into the main area of Wikipedia (aka mainspace). The clues are in the helpful feedback left for you by two separate reviewers at Articles for Creation which you need to read, understand and act upon. I have looked at all your online references and cannot find anything other than the merest passing mention of Adam Fell, if at all. Unless you have used some non-online sources which cover him in depth - or I've missed something because of the lateness of the hour - there's nothing there that makes me agree with you that you are "using notable sources that aren't just mere mentions". They all are, and most don't mention him at all, but just support the existence of companies and products which you say he is associated with. (This article you cited is the best source I could find, and it's nowhere near enough to meet our notability guidelines for people.) Do look carefully at this subsection of our guidance. Can you honestly say your references show "in depth coverage"? I can't. The fact that Quincy Jones calls him his "right hand man" simply isn't good enough to merit an article on him here. Maybe it's OK for LinkedIn. The feedback you received gave clear links to the guidance you need to read and apply before you resubmit your draft. In addition, the style of writing, layout, and the way you have actually inserted these rather weak references is also not yet of a quality, style or format acceptable for an encyclopaedia entry. So my advice is to keep it draft form for now. Focus on the sources - if you can't find reliable third party sources that have genuinely written in depth about Mr Fell, you should give up there. Of course, if you can find those sources, then you can work on putting the whole article in order. So then you might like to read WP:Yourfirstarticle. Finally, I am rather concerned about your Username. It suggests you have a very close link with Quincy Jones Productions. Is this the case? If so, you must declare your conflict of interest, according to our policies, as we tend to frown on articles being written by involved parties purely for promotion. If this is an issue, and you do plan to carry on editing this article, I'd suggest you read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Sorry this all must sound rather negative to you, but I hope it all makes sense. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 03:17, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

why does wikipedia say I have no user page?

I have been editing on Wikipedia for about a month. When I click on my user ID at the top of my page, it is telling me I don't have a user page. Is the user page different from having a user name?LADscribe1355 (talk) 22:45, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi LADscribe1355. Yes, having a userpage is very different from a username. You must create your userpage yourself; see Wikipedia:Userpage. However, some editors choose not to have a userpage. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 22:53, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

(ec)LADscribe1355 - Yes, those are two different things. Your user page is where you can tell the community about yourself, your editing interests, etc. The Wikipedia Guidelines for this can be found at WP:UserPage. To create a userpage, click on the user ID on the top of your page (*as you described above*) and edit /almost/ to your hearts content. Hope this helps. - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 22:54, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict):Hi, LADscribe1355 Welcome to the Teahouse. I have just taken the liberty of creating your user page for you and adding a single line of text that you can remove or replace as you wish. The reason you got the message saying you hadn't got a Userpage was simply that you hadn't ever hit the Create page tab to start editing. So there was nothing there to be seen. Hope this makes sense. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:59, 9 November 2017 (UTC).

Thanks all for the advice and the help. Lois74.72.182.71 (talk) 03:25, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

How to engage an editor who is insisting that his knowledge is above reliable sources?

I do not know where to turn to. This editor reverted an edit I did for a Edit Request. After bringing it up on his page, providing (forwarding) the references provided with the request ... he still disagrees and refuses to share any reference in support of his statement. --G (talk) 09:16, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey G. The short answer, which you may likely already know, is that if there are no sources to back it up, then it shouldn't be added to the article. If you're feeling particularly generous, you may try to find sources to back up the claim on your own, and add it to the article once you've found them. If you don't have time for an independent search, the editor doesn't seem to be able to understand our standards for verifiability, and would prefer to leave the edit request open, then you can probably just let them keep it open. Leaving it open just means that it's still in the queue of unanswered requests, and that editors on the English IRC channel are notified of it. That just makes it more likely that the editor will get a third opinion, and one that will mostly likely back up your attempt to explain our requirements for sources. GMG ^talk 11:40, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that. He reverted again. I am leaving that topic, just requesting him to leave the edit request open. He hats the edit request also promptly calling it vandalism. --G (talk) 05:56, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Updating information Help

Hi I would like to update some Bangladeshi celebrities information in wikipedia. Are you able to help?

since most of them are bengali newspaper link. It's hard for me to publish the page or update the page.

Jannatul.tasneem.moon (talk) 05:22, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

@Jannatul.tasneem.moon: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure which pages you are referring to, but if you don't feel comfortable editing the articles you want to, you may post what you wish to do on the article talk page of the articles you want to make changes to. If you click "Talk" at the top of the article, it will take you to the talk page where you can post your request just as you posted your comment here. Your sources do not need to be in English as long as they are independent of the subject and reliable, click on WP:RS to learn more about this. 331dot (talk) 09:27, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Help with template messages

Hello there, Thanks for replies on this topic so far. I have one last question regarding my first edit on Stuart Roy Clarke's page. The problem - the reason for two message templates - has been identified as someone who edited or created the source before me. Something I have no control over. So, what's the best action here for the page? Delete it and start again? I also was wrongly identified as being a "sock puppet" on the WP:Articles for deletion/The Homes of Football. I am a photography student. I would like to create some articles on my favourite female photographers - another project I am working on now - and thought a good place to start would be editing a pre-existing article with readily identifiable flaws before I create wholly new content.

However, I am finding Wikipedia to be a bit a of confusing and somewhat intimidating space to work. The argument on the WP:Articles for deletion/The Homes of Football page about Clarke's notability deteriorated into quite a harsh argument between two contributors. Clarke is notable. Google him.

Remove message template: A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. Hello, Last month I posted in the Tea Room regarding the message templates on a page I was editing about a photographer: Stuart Roy Clarke. It was my first edit on Wikipedia and I chose this subject as I'm a student of photography and had been doing a project on photography and football, where Clarke's work featured quite heavily. So, I felt that he was a good subject for my first edit as I felt I knew quite a lot about hm and his work. This was discussed with @David notMD and I hoped I clarified that I do not have a close connection with the subject. Can this message template now be removed?

I was a little disheartened after my first attempt at editing seemed to attract these message templates but am going to try again. I am going to address the citations issues on this page and hopefully the need for that message template too.

Best, Encyclopediadia (talk) 11:27, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

My interpretation of the edit history is that it's nothing to do with your edits, but because of someone claiming to be Stuart Roy Clarke editing the article. - X201 (talk) 11:39, 6 November 2017 (UTC) (edit conflict) The tag on Stuart Roy Clarke was not specifically referring to your involvement. If you read WP:Articles for deletion/The Homes of Football you'll see that quite a number of accounts were under suspicion, including HomesOfFootball and StuartRoyClarke, so even if you have no connection with the subject it appears that other contributors do have, so the message template to which you refer seems justified. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:43, 6 November 2017 (UTC) Encyclopediadia (talk) 10:43, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

make article

Hi

I try sometimes to make an article but I cant and finally directed to help page instead of edit page.

what can I do for making article?A.R.Rostamzade (talk) 11:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, A.R.Rostamzade, and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating a new article is one of the more difficult tasks on Wikipedia, and I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months editing existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before they try it. Have you read your first article?

Looking at Draft:Ahmadreza Yalameha, I see that while you have started on some of the easy but superficial parts of the draft (the picture, the infobox) you have not really begun the important part, which is

Find several reliably published sources where people who have no connection whatever with Yalameha have written in depth about him
Forget every single thing you know about him, and write an article based only on what those independent sources say.
Make sure you do not use any evaluative language at all (such as "valuable") unless you a directly quoting an independent source.,

When you have done that, you can add uncontroversial factual information from non-independent sources.

Thank you for disclosing your conflict of interest; but that template should be placed on your User page User:A.R.Rostamzade, not in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 12:41, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

how many people edit a day?

how many people edit a day?Poppytree123 (talk) 11:51, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hard to say - the average edit count per day is in the region of 40,000 at the moment, but most editors will make multiple edits over the course of a single day. Assume your average editor makes around 10 edits per day, that would mean that the answer to your question is in the region of 4,000 people editing per day. But that's a very approximate figure. Yunshui ^雲 _水 12:19, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

A metric that we have is the number of active editors, i.e. registered editors that made at least one edit in the last month. It does not say how many made an edit in the last day, nor does it count the number of non-registered ("IP") users. There are 29k of them on en-wp as of September 2017. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:30, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Or, forget the numbers. Why not Click this link, then sit back with a cup of tea, and Listen to the sound of everyone editing Wikipedia live, right now! Music to our ears. But if you do want more figures, WP:STATS is a good starting point for further information. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Well that wasted a good 20 minutes of my day... :) - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 14:30, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Contribution

Greetings friends! I am here from nearly 3 months but have less than 50 edits in article section. I want to contribute to an article but do not find any article my type. Is there a category or something where stub articles are listed to I can freely edit them ? Waiting for your answer—Big Hero 13:15, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome @Big Hero: Wikipedia is a a work in progress as such there is always work to do which we can never finish. There is general category, Category:Wikipedia backlog which have many subcategories listing thousands of Wikipedia articles needing attention. From needing reference to general cleanup you'll find them subcategorized to specific problems they have and work on the ones you like. You can also visit Wikipedia:Task Center for more on that. I Hope you'll find this helpful. — Ammarpad (talk) 15:09, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Ok I will try my best.—Big Hero 15:25, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Publishing a New Article

I've working on an article recently about a Youtube channel, dshermz. It's a smaller channel so there are not many resources for information about the channel. Luckily, this youtuber happens to go to my school and I got an interview. I was hoping to publish a wikipedia article on who he is and some basic info about his channel. This would be helpful because it would be a recourse for information since I could not find any myself. My writing keeps being rejected due to a lack of sources cited and I don't know how to cite a private interview. Any help would be great.

Thanks, LilyLilyg73440 (talk) 15:45, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Lilyg73440, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the reason you can't work out how to cite a private interview is that you may not cite a private interview. Please understand that Wikipedia has hardly any interest in what anyone says about themselves. An article about that youtuber or their channel should not include any information that has not been published in a reliable place: none. And it should include hardly any information that comes from the youtuber or their friends, family or associates. The only information Wikipedia is interested in is what has been published in reliable places (such as major newspapers or news-sites, or books from reputable publishers) by people who have no connection with the subject. If several people who are not known to them have written reviews or articles about the channel, and had them published somewhere (not just their own blogs, or social media, but somewhere with a reputation for editorial control) then there can be an article based on those reviews. Otherwise, probably not. Please read about notability and your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

references newbie user

I want to use the same reference twice in two separate parts of an article. I am getting two identical references at this point which is OK but seems unnecessary and perhaps would indicate that I don't know what I am doing.Mosesos (talk) 15:56, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Mosesos, and welcome to the Teahouse. Don't worry about not knowing everything about editing Wikipedia: it is a huge beast. The answer is that you can name the reference the first time you use it, and thereafter refer to it by name. Please see WP:NAMEDREFS. --ColinFine (talk) 16:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I had a submission removed and have a question

I recently contributed a sentence to the article The Good Doctor" (TV series). I saw that my quote was removed saying "it's never a good idea to begin a sentence with "And". The direct quote I added began with "And". What do I do in a case like that? I was simply trying to stay true to the quote in the magazine. Here's the exact sentence from the magazine. "And the October 9 episode received 18.2 million viewers, making it the most watched of any primetime program that week - beating out NCIS and The Big Bang Theory."One more question. Is there a way to get in touch directly with the editor who removed a contribution?

Thank you for your help. I'm still learning!

Mjr524 (talk) 16:24, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Mjr524 - the Manual of Style, MOS:PMC, states "Quotations must be verifiably attributed, and the wording of the quoted text should be faithfully reproduced". I understand that some people dislike starting sentences with a conjunction, but 1.) there's nothing wrong with that; and 2.) you're quoting from the reference. I see nothing wrong with it. In regards to contacting the editor, I'd say to WP:Ping them via the article's talk page, so that the conversation is in a centralized, but relevant, location. Hope this helps. - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 16:52, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Mjr524. If I could add to what NsTaGaTr has suggested, I've looked at your edit and the revert and can see both sides of the concerns. And it's nothing major. Basically, what you inserted was not a quote from a person, but was really just a line from a magazine stating a fact. So the best thing I'd suggest is to rephrase it in your own words (rather than cut/pasting it as quote.) (So, how about: TV Guide Magazine reported that the October 9th episode had been the most viewed primetime show that week, attracting 18.2 million viewers, and beating NCIS and the Big Bang Theory - plus citation). Had it been Mr Smith, the head of TV Magazine was stated as saying "And the October 9th episode...etc.", that might have been different, and would have deserved a full quote. There's more on quotations and formatting at Wikipedia:Quotations. To contact an editor, first find out which one you want to discuss a matter with (such as a revert) by going to the View History tab and looking to see which editors made the change. After their name you'll see a talk link in brackets. Click that to go to their Talk page, than click the Add Topic tab to start a new section on their page. Give it a sensible title (usually the article name) and politely ask about their changes or reverts. Emails and text messages always sound far harsher or terse than we mean to be, so always consider how you word your question and respond to replies. A simple discussion tends to be informative and constructive. I hope this helps. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help. I guess I just felt that the information was so specific that I decided to quote it. Your suggestions are very much appreciated!

Mjr524 (talk) 17:21, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Small Business - big in our sector/ notability

Hi,

I've had our page request rejected for not being notable enough. But that feels spurious?

We've received significant coverage from our peers and i've shared not just a couple, but over a dozen links from notable and independent sources.

It seems unfair that only larger business seem notable enough for a profile - they will naturally accrue MSM coverage - in the modern context it's TOTALLY correlated to financial clout or fundraising record. What because I've not needed to raise institutional money, I can't make something notable? It feels anti-competitive for the little-guys.

Is this what the community wants? We're a specialist, and by the terms of our industry and practice, rare. Were we a creature, rarity would be a valuable factor. In fact, we would be the evolving fish, crawling from the goo!

Our page was neutral, suitably. I didn't publish it purely for the kudos. But as an insurance startup, establishing fact and trust and credibility are important. Why should a giant firm like Apple - renowned for squirrelling funds offshore to avoid taxation - enjoy the privilege of a page, merely based on their size?

I see no distinction and feel for professional equality, that in our sector, by any measure, we are indeed notable.

I implore an editor kindly review or look at this, as naturally for our business, a wiki page would be a HUGE honour. Is there any kind of appeal process?

I fear this will shatter my faith in what the platform stands for. As it is, I don't understand the criteria's application in this case.

89.197.12.27 (talk) 17:23, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Would you kindly share what the business is? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:37, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)This sounds like an extremely clear cut case of WP:COI. You would do well to read that. Also, there are two other things: one, Wikipedia includes articles on subjects that have been covered in reliable, secondary sources. What the company thinks about itself DOES NOT matter in the slightest, unless it is notable for a reason pertaining directly to their self-opinion (ie, a company has a negative self-view, things like that). Second, you use the word "we". You are editing from an IP address, but if you do register an account for creating this article, please note that it is strictly forbidden for an account to represent more than one person. This does not apply to IP accounts, only because of the nature of their assignments. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 17:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) IP editor, this is your only edit to Wikipedia from this IP address, so there is no way for us to evaluate your draft. Please provide a link to the declined draft.

I have written several articles about relatively small businesses. In all cases, these were well-established and quite distinctive businesses that had received significant coverage in reliable independent sources over quite a few years. And I had no connection with any of these companies, except as an occasional customer. Experienced editors tend to be highly skeptical of articles about start-ups, because of the obvious promotional motivation for writing them. In this case, you admit (which is admirable) that you are connected with this company. Therefore, you have an inherent conflict of interest which must also be taken into account. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:48, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

How do I bring up a page of a name that originally had the meanings and origins behind it in the description but was changed to an actor's bio instead?

Please go search "Komal" and you will find the main article being of an actor's bio and info. It used to be that of a name and its meanings and origins. I would tired to move the actor's info as titling it as "Komal (actor)" but it got rejected. Here's the only list of articles with "Komal" in them but no where a singular non referencing to any partcular person but of a name descriptive context can be found. Kpatelboston 17:20, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Courtesy link to the page in question: Komal (actor). Not sure what's going on here, with several different editors involved, but it does appear that a valid article about the meaning of a name has been lost in the shuffle. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.138.27 (talk) 21:53, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Sometimes a user who wants to create an article on a topic of doubtful notability, realises that it is easier to find an existing but little-watched article and hijack it. I'll try to revert the article to its original subject. Maproom (talk) 22:13, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I see that the first hijacking, to a village in Sri Lanka, was done on 2010 May 24. It was later re-hijacked to be about an actor. I don't feel competent to untangle this mess. Maproom (talk) 22:20, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I have looked through the revisions of the article before the first hijacking, and I disagree that it was a valid article - it was unsourced and consisted of personal interpretations of original research with some very peculiar opinions thrown in and presented as fact. This is what it looked like before it was first changed. So while there could be an article about the meaning of the name, there is absolutely nothing worth salvaging in the history of that article - better to start from scratch, and base it on reliable sources. --bonadea contributions talk 22:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Article Declined?

Hi there! I'd really appreciate if someone could explain what exactly I need to change about this article to have it submitted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Zumbyes I feel as though it expresses the credibility of the group through its participation in well known competitions and being a part of well known albums and it is referenced by multiple legitimate sources. Thank you for your time! Jrubenstein (talk) 04:51, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jrubenstein. Several of your references are to other Wikipedia articles. Those references should be removed immediately, because one Wikipedia article can never be a reference for another Wikipedia article. Even more important is that none of your references are to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic of the Zumbyes. University affiliated sources are not truly independent and do not establish notabilty. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:16, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Jrubenstein since I made a typo the first time. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:17, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

@Cullen328

Just made a bunch of changes to the references in the article, includes some mentions from the New York Times and notable a cappella institutions. Jrubenstein (talk) 18:23, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, Jrubenstein. The New York Times reference sounded promising when I first read your comment, but it consists of saying, in an obituary, that a person named John Grant "was a founding member of the Zumbyes singing group at Amherst College." That is not significant coverage and is instead what experienced Wikipedia editors often call a "passing mention". That reference is of no value for establishing notabilty. You have removed some references and added others. The new references do not appear to be reliable, independent sources that have professional editorial control and a reputation for accuracy and fact checking. I still do not see the type of coverage that would convince experienced uninvolved editors that this is a notable topic. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:57, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Incorrect Copyright Infringement given as refusal reason

Hi.

My recent article: 'Tristan Mackay' has been rejected very quickly apparently due to a clear copyright infringement.

Considering I wrote this article entirely myself without any copy or paste, can someone please help me?

Tristan. Tristanmackay1982 (talk) 18:51, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

I think you must be mistaken, Tristanmackay1982. Your draft was declined because of a notability concern, as explained in the red box at the top of the page. There is a message on your user talk page about copyright infringement, but that is from back in 2012.

However, I'm afraid there's a bigger problem: you appear to be writing an article about yourself. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. As I'm sure you can appreciate, an encyclopaedia where subjects regularly write their own biographies would not have a very good reputation. Creating autobiographical articles is therefore strongly discouraged under our conflict of interest policy. I strongly suggest you don't continue working on this draft. If you meet Wikipedia's notability criteria, a volunteer editor will write an article about you in time. – Joe (talk) 19:12, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse,Tristanmackay1982. You should take Joe Roe's comments to heart. Autobiographies come under intense scrutiny here. In addition, your draft has four references. Only the first is of any value for establishing notabilty. The other three are not independent and therefore are worthless for establishing notabilty. Using references like those three is a strong signal to reviewers that your draft is not acceptable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:26, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Pokman

The smartest people on earth he know every ting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.16.67.235 (talk) 08:10, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, IP User We welcome new editors here who are unfamiliar with Wikipedia, and are always pleased to help them. I was surprised to see that, after posting your incisive observation, you had deleted two large help threads from other users. None of us find this helpful, so please don't do that again. (Your edits have been reverted). Of course, if you do have a genuine question, you will need to be a little clearer before we are able to help you. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:39, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

how to submit a blog aur website on wikipedia ?

i want to know that how to submit a blog or website on wikipediaDainik Tricks (talk) 17:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean? As in for a reference or a new article? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Dainik Tricks. I may be wrong, but I suspect that your question means that you think that Wikipedia is like a directory, and you can just get something (a blog, or a website) listed. It isn't. We aren't a directory, and we don't have listings. What we have is articles, which are neutrally written and based on independent, reliably published material about the subject. If there are several places where people who have no connection with the blog or website have chosen to published in-depth material about it, then we can have an article on it, based on those independent sources (the content of the blog, and anything that people say about it who are connected with it, are of very little interest to Wikipedia). If not, then I'm afraid that it is not possible to write an accaptable article about it. Please read the essays notability, verifiability, and your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 11:26, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Not sure why my citations are unreliable

I'm a mac software nerd.

I'm trying to add a page about a mac finance software. I've looked at a quite a few already on Wiki to get an idea of the format, and read up on the best practices. Some of those softwares already on wiki don't follow them ;)

I created what I thought was very objective info, with sources that followed the guidelines. I was rejected for the topic not worthy of notability, please add notability and citations. From my perspective, I think that itself violates the basic wiki guidelines. Why should I toot the horn of this product?

So I find some recent web mentions that should make "notability" for the software very clear. And now I am told they are not trustworthy? So help here, it's my first shot at actually making a wiki page. Thanks. Lotusborn1 (talk) 21:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Link is Draft:Banktivity - NsTaGaTr ^(Talk) 21:49, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Lotusborn1. Your draft article has four references. Only the first one, to Macworld, seems to be a high quality, reliable source. Your second source is to MachHow2, which looks like a blog of some sort to me. None of the posts are signed by actual human beings and I see no evidence of professional editorial control. The third reference also appears to be a blog post written by someone called Chris Hauk, self described as a "magnificent bastard". That is not evidence that he or his blog is a reliable source. The fourth source is published by the company that produced this software. Since it is not an independent source, it is of no value in establishing notabilty. You need much better sources for a freestanding article about this software. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:25, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

@Lotusborn1:. Hopefully, Cullen328's answer has prompted you to look for further reliable sources. A few days ago we answered another query about how to exclude recent results from Google and only look for older sources. You can read that (rather long) thread here and give it a try. I gave it a go, and found a few other more reliable-looking and independent software reviews. Try here. here, here, here and here for starters. Whilst browsing through the results I ignored all those urls that looked like forums and personal blogs, seeking out more reliable-looking urls to review or magazine sites. Being fussy in this way can help you select the wheat from the chaff and get you over that notability and reliable source hurdle right from the start. If you decide to have another go at enhancing and re-submitting your article, I'd suggest leaving out the very long table of updates, and just referring to where a user can find update information via one or two references. Removing this table would, in my opinion, make the page look far less promotional, and more like a short, factual encyclopaedic entry on what could well be a piece of noteworthy software for the Mac. I've not checked the sources in detail - that's your job - but if it does get through WP:AfC next time, you can send us all cookies! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:03, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

referencing

How do you referenced items at the bottom of the page? What are the steps?

Mary Jane Doerr Mary Jane Doerr (talk) 14:31, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Mary Jane Doerr. You may want to check out our tutorial on referencing for beginners. GMG ^talk 14:34, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

HostBot keeps reverting my posts

I don't know what to do because I am editing some pages to try and improve them and HostBot is saying I'm unconstructive. I am afraid my account will get banned. Iqra Ali (talk) 17:13, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Iqra Ali. You are being reverted because edits like this one are blatant vandalism. And you are correct that if you do not stop you will lose your editing privileges very shortly. GMG ^talk 17:16, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

How did you find my edit??? HACKER!

Iqra Ali (talk) 17:22, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Iqra Ali has been blocked for vandalism. It does not take the skills of a "hacker" to find that edit or any other. Every edit that a user makes can be seen easily by anyone, unless an administrator has hidden certain edits that violate policy in a major way. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:49, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

How to edit table of contents?

Hello, I'm trying to edit the table of contents on the Basia Bulat page (one of the entries is in bold, for some reason), but I don't know how to do that. Please help!werewolf 15:16, 11 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revirvlkodlaku (talk • contribs)

Hi Revirvlkodlaku, and welcome to the Teahouse. The table of contents is automatically generated from the headings, so all you need to do is to remove the '''bold''' from the relevant heading. I've made that change for you. Dbfirs 15:23, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much! werewolf 01:07, 12 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revirvlkodlaku (talk • contribs)

Awarding self barnstars!

LilUzi25 has awarded themselves a whole bunch of barnstars. I am not sure of the etiquette of whether to just revert the edits. Thoughts? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

That's a little unusual but it doesn't do any harm. I don't see any benefit in involving yourself. Generally it's a good idea to avoid editing others' user pages unless you're sure they'll approve, or its absolutely necessary to prevent disruption. – Joe (talk) 20:54, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

I have however notified them about their username. – Joe (talk) 21:00, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Listen, I awarded myself those to set goals. I have high expectations for myself. Understand? LilUzi25 (talk) 15:27, 10 November 2017 (UTC)LilUzi25

Why does it matter whats on my account. Why are you "admins" stalking me. Why is it that every time I submit an article to be reviewed it gets declined by the same people? And yes, I know that my username is named after Lil Uzi Vert. He's my favorite rapper. What do you expect? LilUzi25 (talk) 15:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Plus, don't decline another one of my articles if I submit it for review. I know when I have enough information, references, and when I've cited enough sources. `LilUzi25 (talk) 15:46, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Barnstars are for achievements, not intentions. Otherwise, I could put on my resume that I have a Nobel Prize, because I hope to be awarded one before I die. David notMD (talk) 01:36, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

How to tag with "citation needed"

Specifically I am referring to the entry on Zorro which states:

The 1890s penny dreadful treatment of the Spring-heeled Jack character as a masked avenger may have inspired some aspects of Zorro's heroic persona. Spring Heeled Jack was portrayed as a nobleman who created a flamboyant, masked alter ego to fight injustice, frequently demonstrated exceptional athletic and combative skills, maintained a hidden lair and was known to carve the letter "S" into walls with his rapier as a calling card.

None of this information is on the Spring-heeled Jack wikipedia page and there is not even an 1890's penny dreadful listed. Cowboyleland (talk) 01:33, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Use the {{cn}} tag. Don't waste Time 02:21, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Cowboyleland. Here is a link to a book called The Legend of Spring-heeled Jack: Victorian Urban Folklore and Popular Cultures that describes Spring-heeled Jack as an inspiration for the Zorro character. Finding and adding a source is better than tagging an article for lack of a source, although it is more time consuming. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:47, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

How do I correct a wrong information in a secure article in Wikipedia?

How do I correct a wrong information in a secure article in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.44.236 (talk) 07:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. By "secure", I assume that you mean an article that is protected due to disruptive editing. Every article has a talk page, which you can reach by clicking the "Talk" tab at the upper left menu of the page. Open a new section and describe exactly what you want to change and furnish the new language that you want to add. Provide links to reliable sources that verify the new content. Add the following template to your post:

{{request edit}}

That will signal editors able to evaluate your request, and if appropriate, make the change for you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:39, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I see you are on the mobile version of the site which has no "Talk" tab. You can start by clicking "Desktop" at the bottom of the page, but after that it is easier to click the "View source" tab and follow the instructions there. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

How to create a template

Hey, could someone please tell me how to make a template — Preceding unsigned comment added by TMN81 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello TMN81 - welcome to the Teahouse. Creating templates is not for the faint-hearted, but a good place to start learning how to use and create them would be this introductory page: Help:A quick guide to templates, plus this set of links to more detailed help and technical advice: Wikipedia:Templates. It's quite possible that a template already exists for whatever it is you're trying to do. If you want to tell us more about what you want to achieve, somebody here may be able to offer further advice. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:07, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi need help

I am few months old on Wikipedia I am struggling with Wikipedia guidelines whenever I create new page some people put 'speedy deletetion request' it's very hard for me right now to go ahead as a free Wikipedia volunteer it's feel like losing my time on Wikipedia because here on Wikipedia people don't respect eachother contribution they just delete. :( 🤒Sumitmpsd (talk) 19:36, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

@Sumitmpsd: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you have not had a good experience here. I will say that writing a new article is probably the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. It takes time, practice, and effort. Looking at your user talk page it appears that you have had at least one article successfully enter the main encyclopedia(Mahendra Mewati) and another moved to Draft space so you can work on it more(Draft:Regular.li). Whenever you create a new article or edit an existing article, it will be mercilessly evaluated and possibly changed by others. It's just the way Wikipedia works. I see that in some cases where articles you created were tagged for speedy deletion, it was removed by someone else who disagreed with the criteria.

In some cases I think you have confused deletion tags with maintenance tags; the maintenance tags are in yellow and merely indicate an issue that needs to be resolved. Deletion tags are in red. It's important to understand that most users cannot delete pages by themselves. Only administrators can delete pages, and only within the process indicated by the deletion tag(either as the result of a discussion, a valid speedy deletion criteria, or an unexpired, uncontroversial Proposed Deletion). 331dot (talk) 20:23, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

ya now i am felling little bit positive thanks 331dot you are the first one who can understand my situation thanks again and again:( :) Sumitmpsd (talk) 02:43, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

talk link Dubious

Hi I added {dubious} to a statement, can't make it link to Talk#section, only to Talk page, instructions in [WP:Template:Dubious#Usage] inscrutable. This is minor and I'm sure that I'm missing something simple, but I like to do it correctly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Twins_in_mythology&oldid=809668032

Thanks GeeBee60 (talk) 17:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Fixed with this edit – The talk# part is unnecessary in this case, since the talk page is the only place you would be linking to anyway. Regards, Dairy {talk} 00:53, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Dairy, Thank you. GeeBee60 (talk) 07:17, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

can't find reveal button

I have written the article and want to post. Yet don't know where the 'reveal' button to actually release it Mj kim (talk) 08:43, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

HI Mj kim - welcome. Firstly, there is currently a trial in progress limiting page creation by brand new accounts like yours. You need to have been around for a few more days and to have made a few more edits. Secondly, your article is not ready to be published yet. The draft in your sandbox does not demonstrate with references that "Connected Car Commerce" is actually a widely accepted and used term, mentioned in depth by reliable sources. And thirdly, there is already an article on Connected car, and to avoid disappointment you would be better off adding a new section within that page. When/if you do think you are ready (and most editors here start off by learning how to edit by making small changes to existing articles), I would advise you to submit any new article with the Article for Creation wizard. Those who get turned down at their first submission do receive helpful feedback as to the things that need addressing to make it acceptable for submission. Doing it that route avoids the new editor restrictions currently in place, and you could simply copy from your sandbox over into the new 'Draft' that the wizard makes for you. Hope this helps. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:46, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Follow up: I see your sandbox draft has used text you have copy/pasted from elsewhere. Be aware that you must always use you own wording to write articles, and not copy others. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:56, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

How can I get my article approved?

Hi there,

How can I get my article approved? Draft: Clyde Space

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Clyde_Space

I've updated it with further content and links, used unbiased language based on feedback that was given and included greater information in comparison to similar Wikipedia articles on very similar subjects &/companies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spacecraft_manufacturers

Any help is greatly appreciated as I truly believe this is a notable subject.

Many thanks, LIbby.Hoban (talk) 09:57, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Libby.Hoban. You can resubmit your draft for review using the "Resubmit" button. I have not studied the draft to see whether or not it would be acceptable in its current form; but I will caution that comparing with other articles is not a fruitful endeavour, because unfortunately many of our five million articles are substandard, and we don't want to encourage more. --ColinFine (talk) 10:13, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hon to add references?

I am trying to add references in in my sandbox (to be copied later in the page I created) ... but I failed. I do not get the use of templates Where do I find help? Thank you Mtl-371 (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

@Mtl-371: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Information on how to cite sources can be found by clicking WP:CITE. 331dot (talk) 10:44, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

What type of citation do you want to create? Book. Academic journal? Newspaper? Website? David notMD (talk) 11:32, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Does referencing for beginners help, Mtl-371? --ColinFine (talk) 11:46, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

wikipedia adventure issues , repeating same messages when i have completes tasks

in the wikipedia adventure i have done everything asked of me but it keeps repeating the same message. need to complete it for a college assignment please help Redrobinwedding (talk) 10:28, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Redrobinwedding. Welcome to the Teahouse. Could you tell us what the message is that keeps repeating, please? Sometimes you have to scroll down to see the next action to follow. I should also point out that at the start of the Adventure there's a warning noticeon the page saying that it's not supported on mobiles or tablets, or if Javascript is not enabled, or if you're using an earlier browser version earier than IE10. Perhaps you could also tell us what device you're using, please? I can see you had two goes at getting started as you've got duplicate messages on your talk page. (These can be removed later on if you wish). Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:35, 13 November 2017 (UTC)