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Can't hide medal tables.

Hi!

I created a lot of additional medal tables and added it on the pages about some international sport competitions (see page "FIBT World Championships" as example). When I added additional some medal tables (for examples, medal tables per each disciplines), I used the command "class=wikitable collapsible autocollapse plainrowheaders" because there was too much additional information and would cause problems for user's orientation. So, these tables were hidden during opening of page but every user could open and see it by his/her desire. When I added these tables, it were properly hidden. However, today this command stopped to work and these tables are seen for everyone during openig of page. Why it stopped to work and how can I hide it for now? Hyperion82 (talk) 18:11, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Greetings, Hyperion82. As referenced below, there was an edit by Ianblair23 to {{RankedMedalTable}} yesterday that removed the {{{class}}} parameter and standardized the table as "wikitable sortable plainrowheaders" with no option to add the ability to collapse the table. The edit summary given was for "fixing access parameters." The only discussion I see on the talk page regarding accessibility is about 4 years old, but there may be discussion elsewhere that took place. I am hoping Ianblair23 can enlighten us as to the reasoning behind the change, but for now you would have to build the table manually and not use the template, as the "Multiple medalists" tables do at the end of the article. CThomas3 (talk) 21:21, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Edit: I misspoke above. The {{{class}}} parameter was not removed per se, but its value no longer applies to the table itself. Instead the parameter is used to adjust spacing in the row header column only, which would appear to be the access issue that Ianblair23 refers to in his edit summary. CThomas3 (talk) 21:28, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Hyperion82, I made the edit to template to comply with WP:DTAB. Please see this edit I made to the FIBT World Championships article. This is how we correctly format tables to comply with the Manual of Style. More broadly speaking, the list of medal winners and the corresponding medal tables really belong at List of FIBT World Championships medalists and the parent article should be much further expanded. See List of Olympic medalists in figure skating, a featured list, for what I am talking about. There shouldn't be any real reason to hide medal tables.
Also, I see that you are editing from both User:Hyperion82 and User:Hyperion1982. Please read WP:MULTIPLE that addresses this issue. Regards – Ianblair23 (talk) 08:09, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand the rules

We are digital publication(BKLYNER.com) serving Brooklyn. The company has been in existence for over 10 years. We write about local news every day. Drabiner (talk) 14:01, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hey Drabiner. Since you seem to have an outside connection to topics you are writing about on Wikipedia, you should first carefully review our policies on conflicts of interest. Other than that, it looks like your draft was declined because it did not sufficiently demonstrate that the topic meets our standards for notability. This is usually done by showing that the subject has recieved sustained in-depth coverage in independent reliable sources, usually things like newspapers, magazines, and books. You may want to review our tutorial on writing your first article or consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure. GMGtalk 14:08, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Discography Section of Page

I just went in to add a song to the Discography for Benny Turner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Turner and somehow I got the contents themselves separated from the "Discography" header. The actual discography appears below the references, instead of under the "Discography" heading.

I tried to just follow the existing formatting, but unknowingly did something wrong. Help! Nolablue835 (talk) 13:20, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Nolablue835, welcome to the Teahouse. You removed the table end |}. I have restored it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:35, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
PrimeHunter - thank you so much!

Nolablue835 (talk) 14:34, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Problem editing redirects

I want to edit the redirect from Prasophyllum alpinum. I have never had a problem editing redirects in the past but when I try to edit this one, I am immediately taken to the edit page to which it redirects - Prasophyllum tadgellianum. (Prasophyllum alpinum is a Tasmanian endemic recognised by Kew.) Grateful for any advice. Gderrin (talk) 20:52, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi Gderrin, welcome to the Teahouse. I had no problems. Click "Redirected from ..." at top of Prasophyllum alpinum to get to the redirect page. Then click the Edit tab to get [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
(e/c) Hi Gderrin – once you are redirected, you should see a note saying "redirected from Prasophyllum alpinum" below the article title. Clicking on it should take you to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prasophyllum_alpinum&redirect=no ; you should then be able to edit the redirect by clicking on the "Edit source" tab. Let me know if it works! –FlyingAce✈hello 21:30, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you PrimeHunter and FlyingAce. Frustratingly, when I click on "edit source" on the page "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prasophyllum_alpinum&redirect=no" I am immediately taken to the edit page of Prasophyllum tadgellianum. Luckily when I use this (supplied by PrimeHunter) I can edit. Here's hoping I don't have the same problem with other redirects in the future! Thank you both very much. Gderrin (talk) 22:00, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

creating a wiki page for a company

I made a page for a new technology company producing an interactive format for music. I modeled the page after Smule, basically noting the inventor and founding date, along with a general product description of "software that runs on mobile apps."

The page got deleted for being too promotional despite looking exactly like the Smule page.

My question is, is there a 'beta page" I can create that Wiki editors can view and comment on before I post? I will gladly make any changes to get my page posted in accordance with Wiki guidelines.

Thanks

Philiphw (talk) 18:59, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Going back over your contributions, I don't see any history of work on a company article, only to someone called Bruce Pavitt. CassiantoTalk 19:12, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Cassianto you can't see the article in their contribution history because it has since been deleted. Previously 8Stem, deleted on 14 October under WP:G11.
Hey Philiphw. You can do exactly what you describe by submitting a draft to our Articles for Creation project, and you can do so by clicking on the Article Wizard. Once you submit your draft, it will be added to a list for review by volunteers who can offer feedback prior to publishing. GMGtalk 19:16, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
I see. CassiantoTalk 19:45, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Any article about a commercial entity will be scrutinized very closely unless the notability of the entity is unquestionable. See WP:COMPANY. Presumably Smule has been found to pass the notability test. An article about an entity that isn't sufficiently notable will be challenged even though it might exactly match the article on Smule. Dolphin (t) 22:39, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

How do I remove items in red when they are not showing on the edit page?

There are some dates on the end of the page that I want to remove to remove the red warning text but I cannot see how to do this as the references that have been highlighted in red on the draft page, do not show on the edit source page. thanks for your help 2.99.228.38 (talk) 21:44, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello IP. What page is this? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:50, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
sorry it is still a draft but I am attempting to amend the required edits so it can be published. Thankyou for your help , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:JENJEN 2.99.228.38 (talk) 22:40, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
I see no red text or warnings at Draft:JENJEN. References are usually edited in the section where they are used and not the section where they are displayed. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:20, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

insert citation

can you please remind me how to insert a citation? Thank You!Casey018 (talk) 23:43, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 00:22, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

How to handle situations with anonymous users

Their seams to be a lack of understanding with anoymous users, I have felt that they get set a loot essayer than regular users (colored) Help!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colored (talk • contribs)

@Colored: Hello, welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, sign your posts with ~~~~. It'll be helpful if you let us know which anonymous user is causing problems for you. In the meanwhile, WP:IPHUMAN is a nice reading. Regards, Alex Shih (talk) 02:42, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I would like to know if anoymous users get special treatment Colored (talk) 02:44, 25 October 2017 (UTC) colored

@Colored: They don't. Do you have any evidence if you would like to share? The only thing I can think of is that we usually don't block IP addresses for too long, since they are usually not static. In reality, IPs get less of treatment; no recognition, hard to edit, cannot create pages. Alex Shih (talk) 02:49, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Colored (talk) 02:52, 25 October 2017 (UTC)colored

But dose that mean that they can get away with things a lot easier because all they have to do is wait and they can go back on to edit in regards to how long they are blocked Colored (talk) 02:55, 25 October 2017 (UTC)colored

Colored, your question is kinda a "When did you stop beating your wife?" question as it preproposes an answer. It's not possible to answer a question like that. John from Idegon (talk) 03:46, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

COI for page I wanted to create for my organisation

Hi,

We wanted to list our think tank in the list of think tanks in India, but apparently it cannot be listed unless there is a page for it on Wikipedia. So I created an account and a page and submitted it for review, but the page has been rejected due to Conflict of Interest. I don't understand- can a person working in that organisation not create a page for it? How do I edit the page and resubmit it so that it will be approved?

We would highly appreciate your help.

Many thanks and kind regards, Policy ResearcherPol.res.pic (talk) 06:29, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. You have received advice, at your user talk page. The words in blue on that page are wikilinks to more detail. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:34, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
There doesn't need to be an article on a subject for it to be included in a list, Pol.res.pic. The list at List of think tanks in India appears to only include think tanks that meet our notability requirements (meaning that it would be possible to write an article, if one does not yet exist), so a red link could be included if sources demonstrating notability were provided. The way to request this would be to follow the instructions at WP:COIREQ. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:48, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi David,

thank you so much for your prompt response. I have gone through the blue links. So as next steps, should I simply recreate the page without using embedded links so as to 'avoid linking'?

Sorry just having a bit of trouble navigating Wikipedia's format :-/

Kind regards, Policy ResearcherPol.res.pic (talk) 06:59, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@Pol.res.pic: If your username means "policy researcher" at the PIC you will need to change your username to indicate use by an individual and not that of a position. Usernames stay with the individual and cannot be shared. I have posted information on how to do this on your user talk page.
I would also stress that you need to read WP:COI and WP:PAID as soon as possible, if you represent this organization. 331dot (talk) 08:13, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
@331dot,

Thank you so much for these tips! I think I will just create a fresh individual account then and try to create a fresh new page.

If working for the organisation means representing them then yes, I guess that would count. But I am not getting paid for doing this, its just an initiative taken up because well, its always great to have a wikipedia page :)

Would I be asked to disclose the affiliation on creating a fresh username account and new draft?

Kind regards, Pol. ResearcherPol.res.pic (talk) 10:09, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@Pol.res.pic: According to the Wikipedia terms of use you must disclose your conflict of interest regardless of what your username is. However, I would strongly recommend you give up on this. To answer your original question: no, a person who works for an organisation should not create a page for it. Wikipedia is a volunteer-edited encyclopaedia, not a business directory. – Joe (talk) 10:21, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Yes, you still need to declare your COI if you change your username as doing so does not remove your COI. Working for them still should be declared as well. It actually is not necessarily a good thing for a n organization to have a Wikipedia article, as all information good and bad is valid content as long as it appears in a reliable source. See WP:PROUD. 331dot (talk) 10:25, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
@Joe... thanks so much for answering my original question. Given the structure and format of Wikipedia, what is the best way for us to get a wikipedia page for our organisation? can we request a friend to do this? or does it have to be written by an absolute stranger?

@331dot... thanks for that tip!

@Cordless Larry... I had initially added our name in the list and it appeared in red like you mentioned. But when I checked the same page the next day it was gone. SO I thought I would need to create a page for it first. How can I keep our organisation's name on the list without creating a page for it?

Regards, Pol. Researcher219.91.251.236 (talk) 04:55, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Deletion

When I type "Franklin Bennett" the name redirects to the mass killer Dylann Roof. This needs to be deleted and I do not know how or am without authority.Eschoryii (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

If you feel it should be deleted you will need to nominate it for deletion following the directions at WP:RFD#HOWTO. ~ GB fan 19:23, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
It appears to be a redirect because Franklin Bennett was the father of Dylann Roof so didn't require his own page NZFC(talk) 20:48, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. All is ok as is. I saw Franklin Bennett as an actor only but the redirect must refer to Roof's father.Eschoryii (talk) 05:59, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

creation of article.

How I creat an article about Braj Bhasha Cinema? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jai Jaat (talk • contribs) 05:42, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello Jai Jaat. You can find instructions at your first article. – Joe (talk) 09:48, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Draft:NewCeleste What more do I have to do?

When creating this draft, I was originally advised I had to use actual citations as references and not just weblinks and I've done that throughout the draft with full details of the authors, dates and publications. However, that still wasn't sufficient, the draft was refused due to one word in the summary at the top of the page not having any citations. So I've added those now too. However, I've now been advised by DGG in a comment on the draft that those citations might not be sufficient evidence for the word 'influential' used in the summary, as the word 'influential' is just a buzz word often used by reviewers. If citations aren't sufficient evidence for the use of any word, what else is? Iainmf (talk) 09:36, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

the point isn't referencing the word, but writing an article that is promotional for the band. A lead like that is an example. As I said there, it should be implied by the contents. But anyone who wishes can review the draft --I only left a comment. DGG ( talk ) 09:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
It's not enough just to sprinkle citations through the text. The citations should actually support the statements they follow. Where I've checked (the first three on-line sources cited), they don't. For example, "with Pete Haggarty replacing Jeff Helmsley on drums" is followed by citation of a source that mentions neither Haggarty nor Helmsley. Maproom (talk) 10:27, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

why two same article are there with same information

i have found two same article of "Krawan" film both have same information about movie i think one should be delete

1- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karwaan

2- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karwan_(film)

Sumitmpsd (talk) 10:14, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Interesting. Created by different people, but same topic (a movie to be released in 2018. The first (Karwaan) has more information, but both may be premature, given film not released yet. David notMD (talk) 10:44, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

How to inform of expanding a stub?

Hello, I have expanded a stub on an artist called Charles Stuart. Is this the way to inform Wikipedia, so that a new designation can be applied if appropriate? 

As my editng is rusty it would be worth checking the extensive changes that I have made and ensuring that I have not broken any rules. A previous article on this artist (who was thought to be a different person) was deleted in 2014. BFP1BFP1 (talk) 07:07, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
BFP1: I found it already in mainspace as an article, and moved it to Charles Stuart (painter) – the wording in parentheses should only be there to distinguish him from other people with the same name, not to describe him. I also made some minor copy-edits (yes, you "broke" a rule about the placement of citations, but only in a harmless and easily adjusted way). Maproom (talk) 07:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Maproom. BFP1BFP1 (talk) 10:18, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Whenever you are editing, at the bottom of the pages there is a box titled Edit summary. Here, you should briefly describe the nature of your edit. David notMD (talk) 11:06, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks David notMD. Noted for future reference. BFP1BFP1 (talk) 12:08, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

How to format brackets within brackets

I did not use “Ask a Question” because the button to submit my question was always greyed out.

My question is how to format brackets (link) so it they will work properly.

For example, the word “sic” is often used in brackets. If it is within brackets, how do I add a link to the article sic that explains it? Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 11:36, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

They may well be using Template:Sic. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:05, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
And its source shows it encodes the brackets per Help:URL#Fixing links with unsupported characters:
  • Titles containing certain characters will display and link incorrectly unless those characters are encoded with HTML character references.
newline [ ] |
space [ ] |
PrimeHunter (talk) 12:10, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, that’s what I needed.
The “Join this Discussion” box doesn’t work either. Safari browser on iOS 10. deisenbe (talk) 12:51, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
@Deisenbe: The submit button in the "Ask a Question" and "Join this Discussion" dialogs should be disabled until you sign your post with ~~~~. Is that the problem? – Joe (talk) 13:04, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

When is it ok to link to external site?

I am new as editor on wikipedia, and for that reason I can not start a page yet. In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_contract I added a coin that has had working smart contracts longer than any of the others listed there. I linked it to the coins site since I can't start any pages yet. What is wrong about that? Greveakira (talk) 10:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Greveakira: The problem was that you initially added information into the article without references to support it, and other editors quite correctly reverted these additions. You've now added some claims related to 'the first smart contract on blockchain' and have included a couple of references, but I'm afraid these aren't adequate. The first is some kind of technical search page which means nothing to people not already familiar with this technology, while the other doesn't actually support the addition you made to the article (i.e. it doesn't explicitly mention the first contract you say Zimbeck made with his neighbour). I'm afraid you can't add things to Wikipedia without supporting references, even if you know the additions you make to be true. This is something which often frustrates new editors (including me, when I was a 'newbie') but it's vital to protect the integrity of the encyclopaedia. I'm going to revert your most recent changes (unless someone has beaten me to it). If you can find a reference which backs up the specific information you want to add, feel free to add it again but otherwise, it's best not to as it will inevitably be removed again and you might get blocked from editing Wikipedia for 'disruptive editing'. Neiltonks (talk) 13:53, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
On the subject of starting a new page, Greveakira: writing an article that is accepted is really quite hard (think of the difficulty you've already met adding some information to an existing article) so new users are prevented from doing it directly. Please read your first article, and then when you're ready to go ahead, use the article wizard to create a draft. --ColinFine (talk) 14:35, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
The first link is the actual proof! Blockchain technology is all about recording things on blockchain! The link was to a blockexplorer for blackcoins blockchain. Zimbeck started developing on bitcoin blockchain, but moved to blackcoin blockchain because testing was faster due to faster chain. He then released it for both bitcoin and blackcoin.

The article is there to support the actual proof for those that don't have the tech knowhow.Greveakira (talk) 14:36, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Neiltonks: Who has the authority to decide if the links provide proof? Also, How can I add one of the first coins to use smart contracts under implementations heading? As a noob I can't make a page about it. So by what other means than linking to the coin should I document that it uses smart contracts?Greveakira (talk) 15:00, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Geography theories

Our Wikipedia not good for geographic theories, so can we polish it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sreeramv (talk • contribs)

Sorry, your use of the English Language seems limited, I can't understand your question well enough to answer it. Perhaps you would be more comfortable contributing to the Wikipedia in your native language? Can we help you find it? --Jayron32 16:01, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Citing non-English Sources

Hi I am editing pages mainly to do with Sikhism. The best historical and theological works on Sikhism are still all based in Panjabi. How do I cite from these non-english sources, and how do I handle the translation into English? Can I put in my own translation?

NarrSingh (talk) 14:19, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, NarrSingh. You may cite non-English sources if there are no English sources of comparable quality. You are not required to provide a translation of the relevant passage (unless you actually quote the passage), but you may do so, to help readers. See NOENG. --ColinFine (talk) 14:39, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Minor precision: per the above-cited WP:NOENG, if others disagree with your interpretation of the reference, they may ask for the precise passage that is supposed to support your claim; as well as supposedly a translation of that passage (it is not clear in the policy, but it seems obvious enough). TigraanClick here to contact me 18:55, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I have sited reliable sources, but I am still declined because I don't have reliable sources

I DONT UNDERSTAND. Moomooocow (talk) 14:03, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Itabora Ferreira has been declined twice because it has no references to reliable sources. In the messages on your user talk page the words in blue are wikilinks to detailed advice, such as WP:reliable sources & Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Another problem is that you seem to have included most or all of the content twice. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:13, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
The content reads like a CV plus a reference. You need to understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, so it can never accept an article in that format. Dbfirs 15:49, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Continually resubmitting for review without having addressed the problems identified in previous reviews is liable to be regarded as disruptive editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:20, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

asking about how to add an image to sandbox

When I am editing my sandbox, I found out that unlink HTML/CSS, an <img>(image) tag would not work. How can I add an image to my sandbox? Thanks in advance! EPICCODER123 (talk) 03:48, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, EPICCODER123.
My advice is to not add images to a sandbox. While they may dress up a draft, they generally will not affect whether the draft will be acceptable as an article. Once the article is accepted, then is the time to add frills.
Another reason to avoid images in sandboxes is that many new users are inexperienced with copyright issues and upload images that must be deleted or followed up with additional paperwork to ensure that they are properly licensed. Non-free images are not allowed in userspace or draftspace at all, but are sometimes allowed in article space under "fair use". — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 04:48, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
The Mediawiki software (intentionally, I think) does not allow links to external images, EPICCODER123. All images must first be uploaded, either to Commons (if they are under a free licence) or to Wikipedia if their use meets all the criteria in WP:NFCC. --ColinFine (talk) 14:23, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
EPICCODER123: I would add that the wiki markup for adding images is explained at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. <img>, as well as many other tags from other markup languages, will not work. Dairy {talk} 00:07, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Articles keep being deleted

Hi, I have created an article which has been up on Wikipedia now for 7 months now and all of a sudden the whole body of the article was deleted. I see a message saying I was committing was copyright infringement, I am very aware of copyright infringement as I am a songwriter also and this is in no way copyright infringement as I composed the article originally myself, no one else. Because an online radio station (Islandah Radio) was trying to be supportive and uploaded this article on their site to promote the artist Phillip Leo, somebody has seen this and put 2 and 2 together and got 5, in other words it would have been better to either email me or put up a message on my page to tell me that this was causing concern, instead an editor causes unnecessary inconvenience and deletes most of the article. Can you tell me how I can avoid this in the future as I will be updating the article regularly. Thanks PEPPep67 (talk) 00:13, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Greetings, Pep67, and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem is that the content on https://islandahradio.com/biography/ clearly states "Copyright Islandah Radio, All Rights Reserved 2013" at the bottom of the page: it is claiming that its content predates that on Wikipedia by four years, and does not credit you as the copyright holder. I am not a copyright expert, but I recommend checking out WP:CFAQ and WP:Donating copyrighted materials. I hope this helps. CThomas3 (talk) 01:00, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

When I submitted my article it was declined because it was blank

I submitted an article for review and it was declined because the review said the page was empty. I am not sure what happened because I was sure I submitted a full article. When I look at the compare page the updated draft only showed #REDIRECT Draft:Tom Longboat Award. Please help. Brandsant22 (talk) 00:46, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Brandsant22: Hey there, just to let you and other folks know, the issue has been resolved, more info is at your question on my talk page. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 01:02, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Requesting for permissions

Hello- Is there any limit on how often a user can request permissions? Thanks- Cocohead781 (talk) 01:07, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Greetings, Cocohead781, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not aware of any blanket restrictions on permissions requests (if I am wrong on this, someone please correct me), but generally speaking if your request is turned down, you are given reasons for the decline. I notice this request at WP:PERM/PCR; that request looks like it was just put in yesterday, and TonyBallioni provided a response for you there. If you request again without having addressed TonyBallioni's concerns, I very much doubt you will be approved, and it is quite likely that you may have to wait even longer. You've only been a Wikipedian for a few weeks now, and you've already been doing some good anti-vandalism work, so keep that up and check back there in a month or so as TonyBallioni suggests. CThomas3 (talk) 01:35, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
It is not advisable to ask for lots of permissions in your first few months of being an active editor. Generally, try to apply for things every 500 non-automated edits, in your case not Twinkle. If you find that you are not using your permissions, ideally you would ask for them to be revoked. –Sb2001 02:08, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

How to Update the lock page

Hello I have a question about the editing locked Wikipedia page. There is a 1 page where have all info of that person is wrong but won't able to change because of its locked page I talk with that person for your security if you guys need any prove or anything I will provide his date of birthday is wrong and there are few lines wrong thx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mateenm (talk • contribs) 01:44, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia pages can be locked for a number of reasons. If you would like to edit a page that you currently can't edit, you will need to make a request on the Talk page for that article. The talk page tab can be found near the upper-left of your screen. Once there, click "New section" (Upper-right). Once you have entered the edit a new section page, add This template. You can add a template by going to Insert > Template. Below the template, type out what you want to add and why. Make sure to add sources! Cocohead781 (talk) 04:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Nearly ready to publish, but...

Hello

I've not been on here in awhile but I've been creating an article for a volunteer based rescue organisation. I believe it's as thorough as I can make it with the resources available to me & am ready to see it published. However, I've been told that the tone I use isn't very "encyclopedic". Is anyone able to assist?

Also, how do I go about arranging for it to be published?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:South_Australian_State_Emergency_Service

Kind regards KaiRAWR (talk) 05:25, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

1)Most or all of the references are mere notices and do not show notability. The others are not independent. Substantial third party references are needed.
2)The detail about local organization within the service is not encycopedic; the place for this is in their own website. DGG ( talk ) 05:28, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
In this edit you removed the feedback template which gave you the button to resubmit for review. Another editor has reinstated it for you. The feedback and comments will be removed if and when the draft is accepted for publication. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:29, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

How can we quickly replicate an article in English which is currently only in German ?

Hello,

In 2015 most of continental Europe suffered an enormous heatwave, however, this did not apply to the UK, and this resulted in a very extensive article being available only in German (not checked other European languages), at URL https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitzewellen_in_Europa_2015

I think it would be great to have such an article in the English Wikipedia version, I have actually started such, but did not get very far due to very limited time.

How could we get this done quickly - if there is a tool which could provide a raw translation of the whole Wiki source content for the article, I'd be happy to review & edit. The original is about 10 A4 pages to print, plus over 300 references. There is an English page on the 2003 event (URL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave ); even the overview page at URL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heat_waves does not list this event, I will put a single line in for now, referring to the German version


Thanks for your thoughts, Bernd Breggen (talk) 08:54, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Generally, Breggen, there isn't any sense of (or need for) urgency. What's the hurry? John from Idegon (talk) 09:13, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Bernd, and welcome to the Teahouse. I fixed your entry at List of heat waves. Interwiki links can be a bit fiddly. This is the change I made to the formatting. Once you get your draft back, I suggest just making a succinct but well-referenced version of 2015 European heat wave, writing from scratch in English rather than attempting a translation from German. There are plenty of good-quality sources in English for this subject [2]. Then put the Expand German template at the top of the article. This will alert readers and potential translators that a far more detailed article exists on the German Wikipedia. Hope that helps, Voceditenore (talk) 10:13, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

How to resolve the “Warning: Page using Template:Authority control…” under ‘Authority control’?

NewBB (talk) 11:20, 25 October 2017 (UTC) Hi,

About the Wikipedia page, Jack Ogden (jewellery historian)

How do I resolve the warning: Page using Template:Authority control with "VIAF", please move this to Wikidata if possible (this message is shown only in preview)...

re posting:

NewBB (talk) 11:20, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi NewBB. Do not worry about the warning message. Wait awhile and the issue may resolve itself. There are automated processes that run periodically to move the identifiers from articles to Wikidata leaving an empty-looking template behind that still displays the data. I believe they also create Wikidata entries for new Wikipedia articles. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:50, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification StarryGrandma

NewBB (talk) 10:59, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Need advice on how to improve on the notability of Draft:FOSSASIA

As per reviewer Chrissymad's latest comment in response to the submission of FOSSASIA's article, I have fix the broken references. It looks like the references section has relevant links and I am clueless what else could be added so that the article becomes more notable than it is currently. Any suggestions, on how I could proceed on this would be super helpful. Thanks! Srishti Sethi (talk)

Greetings, Srishti Sethi, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have clearly put a lot of work into finding references for FOSSASIA, but as it stands right now the article is currently over-referenced: we call that WP:Citation overkill. In order to establish notability, all you need are a few strong, independent, reliable sources; adding a large number of primary and/or non-independent sources in the hopes that volume will suffice actually tends to hurt the perceived notability as each reference needs to be carefully checked. Anything produced by FOSSASIA itself (e.g., [3], [4], [5]) are considered primary sources and do not contribute to notability; furthermore they can only be used to make straightforward, descriptive statements that any educated person—with access to the source but without specialist knowledge—will be able to verify are directly supported by the source. Other sources that don't establish notability are those that merely mention FOSSASIA and do not talk about it in any substantial way, like [6], [7], and [8]. Lastly, the sources need to be reliable, meaning that they are published by a respected organization with a strong editorial reputation or peer-reviewed journal; blogs or other non-peer reviewed content shouldn't be used ([9], [10], [11], [12], etc. as anyone can publish anything on the web if they really want to, true or not. Kvng gave you some advice to find more sources like this, which is a great example of significant coverage from a respected news organization. If you can find a few more sources like this, you can remove most if not all of the remaining sources and still have enough for a very good article. I hope this helps! CThomas3 (talk) 00:46, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks a lot CThomas3 for your prompt and welcoming reply! I appreciate your feedback and advice on the draft. This has definitely given new insights. I will look into finding reliable sources just like the one you have mentioned. thanks! - Srishti Sethi (talk) 01:22, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
You are more than welcome, Srishti Sethi! And thank you for your work with/for the Wikimedia Foundation. :) CThomas3 (talk) 01:26, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Cthomas3 gives good advice on how to improve the draft but typically the immediate goal for authors at WP:AFC is to have their drafts accepted. In order to achieve this, the quality of the draft does not necessarily have to be good; That can be improved with the help of other editors once the article is in WP:MAINSPACE. It may be helpful to remove low-quality sources, as suggested, but what it is most important to add some high quality references. In many cases this is not easily done because the subject has not received adequate coverage in WP:RELIABLE sources. Inability to satisfy notability requirements is not necessarily a failing of the author but often indicates it is WP:TOOSOON for the subject to be covered in the encyclopedia, in which case encouraging the author to make further improvements to a draft will not be fruitful. ~Kvng (talk) 14:00, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Greetings, Kvng, and thank you for your input. I don't think you and I are saying anything different. My intention was merely to help Srishti Sethi understand why the reviewers didn't feel that the existing sources were adequate even though there were so many of them. The article needs more good sources like the one you originally pointed out, which is exactly the advice I gave as well. CThomas3 (talk) 14:41, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
I saw that you started your response with advice about WP:Citation overkill. I don't think that is the point that requires emphasis in this case. I don't like to see authors given the impression that if they improve a draft on a subject for which it is difficult to demonstrate notability, they will be closer to having their draft accepted. If adequate sourcing cannot be found to demonstrate notability, there's no point in making or recommending other improvements. Everyone needs to know that our current WP:AFD climate encourages WP:AFC and WP:NPP reviewers to be unyielding in applying notability requirements for organizations. ~Kvng (talk) 14:56, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
@Cthomas3: you may also be aware that there's a friendly place – Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk – where we can direct WP:AFC draft authors for help. Of course you're welcome to continue to handle it here directly too. ~Kvng (talk) 15:04, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
@Cthomas3:@Kvng: And months later, I have tried to clean up the DRAFT:FOSSASIA.Now, the article has fewer but important references, and the content is a bit organized. But, sadly, the current references in the article, that's all I could gather. It looks like there aren't many reliable resources about the organization that could increase its notability further. It would be great if you could help review the article. Srishti Sethi (talk) 05:32, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Making an english wikipedia article by reference of other language

I want to create an article about a subject on the English wikipedia. But the reference contains information in other language (Bengali). There are no references in English language. I know the language and can translate to an english page easily. Should I create that?

AnkurHow (contribs) (talk) 22:38, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, AnkurHow. The answer is Yes, if those references are satisfactory to establish that the subject is notable by the standards of English Wikipedia. References in English are preferred if they are available, but if not (or if no high-quality ones) references in other languages are acceptable. See WP:NOENG. --ColinFine (talk) 22:27, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
AnkurHow, I'd also take a look at Wikipedia:Translation#How to translate. Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 18:06, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Problems with email

I put in my email and checked it. I had received the email and I followed the link, but it said that the confirmation code "may have expired." What should I do? Dovely 18:19, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Ridgebell: Welcome to Wikipedia! Go to Special:Preferences. Scroll down to the last section, "Email". Check if you've been confirmed. If not, perhaps try Special:ConfirmEmail. I'm hoping someone more tech-saavy comes along, but Help:Email confirmation is where I'm getting this info. Good luck, happy editing, and again: welcome! Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 18:47, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Delete an article for being old news?

A dietary supplement HeightMax was subject of a Federal Trade Commission action back in 2006-07. The company paid a fine and went out of business. I did a bit of work on the article (added citations), but it is still an orphan (no links from other articles), and in my opinion, old news. Is that grounds for nominating for deletion? David notMD (talk) 14:14, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@David notMD: No, articles are not deleted because of age. Notability is not temporary. See WP:N for more information. RudolfRed (talk) 16:26, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
In general, no, as RudolfRed explains. However, if the article was just news and nothing more to begin with (i.e. it only generated routine, 'breaking' news, or otherwise limited coverage that we would not consider significant), then there is a case to be made for deletion. Usually, this boils down to the same question as notability in general: was coverage at the time (and subsequently) significant in scope, and published in independent reliable outlets. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:33, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Added third (non-gov't) citation. Notability in part because the company attempted to hide assets from the FTC and was caught. David notMD (talk) 16:52, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
David notMD, perhaps some time spent in PubMed could turn up some sources? Cause the article is really thin. If we have an article on Nutrogenics scams, a bold merge and redirect to that would be appropriate I'd think. John from Idegon (talk)`
John from Idegon - like so many other dietary supplements, this product as a combination of ingredients never had a clinical trial. There was a claim that there was a trial, but there was also a claim that the product was developed by an PhD. All fiction. The only reason I added citations was if someone wants to nominate it for deletion, they can decide knowing the nature of the references. By the way, a search on FTC dietary supplement yields more than 60 articles about FTC actions against a supplement, so there appears to be precedent for each getting its own article. David notMD (talk) 20:25, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

How do I create a new page for our firm, which does not currently appear on Wikipedia?

... and is a company profile page considered an "article?"98.114.31.202 (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. You almost certainly don't. Wikipedia is not a directory or social media, and does not contain profiles. If several people who have no connection whatever with your company have chosen to write substantial pieces about your company, and had these published in reputable places, then there can be an article about your company. It should be almost entirely based on what these independent people have published about it, and should be a neutral summary of these. What the company says about itself is of little relevance, and how it wants to be portrayed is of no relevance at all. You would have no control whatever over the article, and would be strongly discouraged from editing it directly, because of your conflict of interest. Please choose another channel for your promotion. --ColinFine (talk) 15:06, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you @ColinFine for the response. To clarify, we have no intention of promoting, simply wanting the facts about our firm to be visible. I appreciate the time you took to reply. 98.114.31.202 (talk) 20:50, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia considers merely telling about a business promotion. Wikipedia is not interested in what a business says about itself. Please see WP:COI about conflict of interest. If you just want to tell the world about your firm, you should use social media or your own website. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Can't add column to table??

I'm trying to add a column to the Bob's Burgers episode list tables which describes the movie/pop culture reference each episode title refers too. I thought this would be fun added information for folks trying to figure them out, but i can't figure out how to do it! Any help would be much appreciated, thank you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bob%27s_Burgers_episodes

Pogoetic (talk) 02:27, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Pogoetic. Thank you for wanting to improve Wikipedia, but unless you can find reliable published sources for the fact that each episode references such and such, this would be original research, and not acceptable. --ColinFine (talk) 21:23, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Write

Can someone write a page about the company totem exhibition design Corp?

Thanks

I just thought that this company had high ratings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.95.168 (talk • contribs)

Hello, IP user. The place to request an article be written is requested articles; but I must tell you that the take-up from there tends to be low. Wikipedia is edited entirely by volunteers, who work on what they choose to.
I'm not sure what you mean by "high ratings"; but Wikipedia doesn't care whether a company is successful, important, popular, innovative, profitable, famous, or any of the other measures one might think of applying, except for one: have several people who have no connection at all with the company chosen to write about it in reliable places? Since that is effectively the only kind of acceptable source for information in an article, that is what is required for there to be an article (the Wikipedia jargon for this is whether the company is notable). --ColinFine (talk) 21:33, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Editions keep reverting back

Hi! I'm working at North Luzon Philippines State College and the head asked me to edit the Wikipedia entry of NLPSC. I tried to edit it, added some details about NLPSC and even uploaded the logo of the college. But messages were sent to me saying my editions were "promotional", and that the logo appears to have violated some rights, I don't know. What should I do to make my revisions legal and authorized? Hoping for your guidance. Thank you!

@Delaila Irma T. Calindas: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Before you edit further you should review the conflict of interest policy (WP:COI) as well as the paid editing policy (WP:PAID). These are important policies for those in your situation. Generally, those with a conflict of interest should not directly edit or create articles in the area of their COI, instead suggesting edits on the relevant talk page. 331dot (talk) 01:33, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
@Delaila Irma T. Calindas:I would add that things like "vision" and "mission" are completely unencyclopedic and have no place here. Wikipedia has little interest in what an organization says about itself, but instead in what third parties state about it. 331dot (talk) 01:37, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

I want to create a Wikipedia page for an Actress in Albania? How and where to start?

Her name is Enxhi Cuku.She is famous in Albania and shows in google with multiple articles as well as a lot of youtube videos. She is actress and has credibility in couple of movies. I want help since I am not familiar with wikipedia. Proxy5 (talk) 22:05, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Proxy5. Successfully writing a Wikipedia article is a very difficult challenge for someone new to Wikipedia, but not impossible. Begin by reading and studying Your first article. Then read our notabilty guideline for actors. Any article must summarize what reliable sources say about Enxhi Cuku. It looks to me like her films to date are all Albanian. You may want to start by writing an article for the Albanian Wikipedia, if you speak that language well. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:26, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

New page & links to other Wikipedia pages

I have authored an article on railway modelling in TTn3. It was rejected. I have since added links to other Wikipedia pages. Does this make the submission more likely to be accepted? Thank you, Spt001 Spt001 (talk) 08:01, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Spt001: Hello and welcome. The message you got when your draft was rejected indicates that it was rejected because there is already an article about the subject you are writing about, located at 3 ft gauge rail modelling. You are welcome to add any missing information to that article, however you will need to have independent reliable sources to support your information(which your draft also lacks). 331dot (talk) 08:12, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Spt001. In addition to the good advice you received above, I want to comment that the number of wikilinks in an article has almost nothing to do with whether or not a draft article will be accepted. Vastly more important is the quality of the references. You allude to several reliable sources covering the topic, but you do not cite them. Please read Referencing for beginners for details. I have a bit of experience with and love for model railroading. I agree with the recommendation to add your content to the existing 3 ft gauge rail modelling. Modelling these narrow gauge railroads is fairly common in the United States, and I own some larger scale models of such locomotives. Articles about such niche topics should be structured as a worldwide overview, and that article needs a lot of work. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:02, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

editor deleted photo i have rights to, wouldnt reinstate it when i proved i had rights to it, and deleted my question and conversation with him out of teahouse and teahouse archive.

I'm completely at a loss. I took this photo with my phone and he completely claims against me that there's no way my photo can be mine because he saw it on the internet.... because Ive uploaded it to the internet. then i came on here to get help again and all our conversations and my previous questions are gone. not even in question archive.Ranscapture (talk) 05:10, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Ranscapture.
The only question from you I can find in the Teahouse archive is one I answered and it's still there. Your user history doesn't show any other Teahouse questions besides that one and this. So you may be assuming a problem that is greater than the one that actually exists. Where we left things with the last question was that you had to go through the release verification process to assure the system that you were indeed the person who took the photo. How did that work for you? — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 06:03, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Ranscapture. Your claim that your question and its answer have been deleted is incorrect. It can easily be found in Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 683.
Now, let's move on to the substance of your complaint: First of all, your complaint is about our sister project Wikimedia Commons, a separate website and separate project from Wikipedia, which has separate policies and procedures, and a separate team of administrators. But, I will express an opinion about the facts of the matter. First, you uploaded your photo to a copyrighted website. That is equivalent to saying "Anyone who uses my photo without permission may be sued!" Then, you uploaded the same photo to Wikimedia Commons, which is equivalent to saying "Anyone can use my photo for any purpose without asking for my permission!"
Imagine a person who had a fenced property and several signs on the fence said "Trespassers will be shot!", and several other signs on the same fence said, "Visitors welcome! Walk right in!" What would you think about such a person?
Under these circumstances, it is entirely reasonable to remove your photo from Commons. The solution is to either remove your photo from the copyrighted website, or add a properly worded legal disclaimer to that other website stating explicitly that this photo is released under an acceptable Creative Commons licence. Do not ask me for precise wording since I am not a lawyer. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:15, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Cullen328, Thank you for getting back to me with a response is patient and understanding. I guess it is there, i couldnt find it when i looked before even searching on page my username didnt show up. So the only sites I had uploaded it to were imdb, and Ran Wei has it on her website. The other sites that have it have stolen it and are not legit sites that he cited, but sites that are filled up by bots. These bots just create content from existing web pages to drive their creators traffic for ad money. But on imdb many of those photos are also on creative commons license free, they're allowed to be used all over because they were taken in public places of public figures. Should I just put this picture in as an external link then since they wont allow me to give it away?
Actually there was one more question i had posted first where the deleter was responding to me in a pretty rude manor which i still cant find.

Ranscapture (talk) 07:49, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Trying to create a page on Scottish musician Ray Harris

Hi few questions.

My entry to wikipedia was refused ? Something to do with reliable sources ? I used Discogs and also national reliable publications as my sources ?

Also ive noticed their is a deceased artist called Ray Harris too. How do you differentiate between a living person or someone with the same name ?

Kindest

CP3663

CP6336 (talk) 00:45, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

@CP6336: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The person who declined your draft posted in their note that your draft "Currently references point to either places to purchase the subject's works or to non-notable blogs. Neither of which constitute independent coverage of the subject". Blogs are not considered reliable sources because they usually are not verified by someone other than the writer before they are posted(as opposed to a newspaper story, which is checked for accuracy by an editor). Also, merely stating where to obtain this person's music is not a "source" nor is it independent. Please review the notability guidelines for musicians located at WP:BAND and look for any independent reliable sources that have in depth coverage of this musician(not just brief mentions).
Once the draft is accepted, then it can be figured out how to disambiguate it from other articles on people with the same name. Typically this is done by adding their occupation to the title, such as "Ray Harris (musician)" or, if necessary other information, such as "Ray Harris (Scottish musician)". However, I wouldn't worry about that until your draft is in better shape. Good luck. 331dot (talk) 08:38, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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