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Template:Infobox civilian attack

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Propose merging Template:Infobox civilian attack with Template:Infobox event.
Template:Infobox civilian attack has a lot of overlap with Template:Infobox event with Template:Infobox civilian attack having just a few parameters that Template:Infobox event could have but just doesn't. On some of my personal wikis I have mostly replaced Template:Infobox civilian attack with Template:Infobox event already. I also think Template:Infobox event looks better as well. Leonard LMT (talk) 21:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In what way does it look better? What are the downsides of merging these templates? What are the advantages? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Strong oppose. The event template is extremely ugly and I despise having to use it in any instance as an editor of many relevant articles. We have had this argument twice before. Civ attack is a more specific usage with different parameters, tailored to its usage. I like it better. Several of the relevant civ attack parameters would be weird on the event one. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Infobox event looks better than Template:Infobox civilian attack as the casualties section is actually highlighted. (See Template:Infobox event's example
As for Template:Infobox civilian attack it only has 10 parameters (that I counted) that Template:Infobox event doesn't have:
  • partof
  • alt(same just named diffrently image_alt)
  • map
  • map_size
  • map_alt
  • map_caption
  • fatalities (event has reported deaths)
  • injuries (reported injuries)
  • victims (can be under casualties1)
  • perpetrators (event only has perpetrator)
  • assailants
  • weapons
  • numparts
  • dfens
  • judge
Quite a few of parameters already on event are arguably a little odd anyways. Not to mention I am pretty sure that some of the Russian missile strikes initially used Template:Infobox event although I could be wrong on that. Leonard LMT (talk) 22:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chapter disambiguation pages

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Since this navbox template is intended to link disambiguation pages and to be transcluded in the article namespace, there's an issue with this template because it will have to violate at least one of the following two guidelines at any given time: WP:BRINT and WP:INTDABLINK. At the present time, the template violates WP:BRINT since there are piped links to redirects instead of linking directly to some of the respective disambiguation pages in order to meet WP:INTDABLINK, but in the process violates WP:BRINT since direct links to pages should be used (so that the viewed page appears as unclickable bold in the navbox when currently viewing that page.) In order to fix this issue, the only resolution I see is to delete this template and replace their transclusions on each page with respective {{Intitle}}, {{Lookfrom}}, or similar templates. Steel1943 (talk) 20:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upon further review, the current setup of the template also violates WP:INTDABLINK since the links to the disambiguation page redirects are piped, but not in hatnotes; If the link is not in a hatnote, then the redirect is supposed to be linked to directly without link piping. Steel1943 (talk) 20:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is a somewhat reductive reading. The template is a navigation template, it's not performing a disambiguation function itself. Therefore:
Keep. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
PS I fixed the BRINT issue. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Okay, but your edit introduced additional/different WP:INTDABLINK issues since you directly linked to disambiguation page titles that do not include "(disambiguation)" in them, and since this navbox is transcluded on pages in the article namespace. Again, this proves that it is impossible for this navbox to not have any WP:BRINT or WP:INTDABLINK issues, and I would not be surprised if an editor who watches WP:DPL or WP:TDD reverts your edit. Steel1943 (talk) 22:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships

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Template consists of mostly redlinks and circular redirects. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are 11 redlinks and 3 redirects (which are not circular) and 12 articles. We could remove the redlinks, or leave them in per WP:REDLINK. Incidentally you created at least one of the redirects. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 23:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Template:Bibliography CP/CMS

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Boilerplate lists of references are not a sensible thing to templateise: article references should be specific, and this is just an ever-expanding standalone bibliography. Should be transcluded and then deleted. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 07:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Diplomatic missions of Bahrain

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Not much point for a nav box with just 2 English entries. LibStar (talk) 04:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gospel of Matthew Chapters

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Nominated for deletion by Gonnym at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 August 28#Template:Matthew 16 because it is redundant to the chapter links on Template:Gospel of Matthew (which is also on all these pages) and is in a less desirable format. I agree; there are too many nav templates for these articles. -- Beland (talk) 03:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would have closed that discussion differently if the other templates had been nominated and fully discussed. @Beland, please consider adding those also so a decision can be made based on the full set. Izno (talk) 20:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The largest area of non-overlap between the per-chapter and per-book nav templates are links to articles on individual verses. In many cases, we have per-event articles (e.g. nativity, resurrection, preaching on a boat) that already cover the same verses in an appropriate level of detail. Before opening a discussion on mass merge of per-chapter nav templates, I think it would be helpful to go through and see which per-verse articles have already been merged and which need to be merged (and to do so). Once that's done I think we'll probably have near-100% overlap and the naturalness of a merge should be more obvious. -- Beland (talk) 22:30, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, actually it appears that per-chapter nav templates for Matthew 17 thru 26 were never created in the first place. I have gone through the remainder and dropped all the links to per-verse articles that are now just redirects, but there are many per-verse articles still to merge. In the meantime, I don't think it makes sense to keep the per-chapter nav templates (like 13 and 16) which are nearly empty. -- Beland (talk) 23:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Epistle to the Galatians

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Most of the links of these template were removed because they were either not really appropriate or because articles got merged. The remaining articles linked from this template are linked from the text in the right places. Given that there are only four and they are somewhat random, I think this template is no longer needed. The articles linked to from here already prominently link back to Epistle to the Galatians. -- Beland (talk) 02:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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