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Operation Sportpalast (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Operation Sportpalast was an unsuccessful German attack on two Allied Arctic convoys in March 1942, and the first of the convoy battles in this theatre of World War II. The German battleship Tirpitz was dispatched from Norway with three destroyers, but was unable to locate either convoy. While the British Home Fleet was guided by signals intelligence, due to bad luck and some blunders it was unable to make contact with the German ships until they had almost reached the shelter of a Norwegian port. A strike from the British aircraft carrier failed due to the woeful inadequacy of the aircraft and bad tactics by their commander.

This article marks a return to my interest in writing about the Tirpitz, and working on it has helped to keep me entertained during a COVID-19 lockdown. The article was assessed as a GA in mid-August, and has since been expanded and improved. I am hopeful that the A-class criteria are now met, but would be grateful for any comments regarding areas for improvement. Thank you in advance for your reviews. Nick-D (talk) 08:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by CPA

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Will continue when this is addressed. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 09:23, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Operation Sportpalast (German: "Sports Palace") was a German naval Unlink German too common to keep it linked.
  • against Allied convoys in the Atlantic Ocean during early 1941 Unlink the Atlantic Ocean too common to keep it linked.
  • with only a single Allied merchant ship and a destroyer sailing Which destroyer?
  • something which the German dictator Adolf Hitler wrongly --> "something which the German Chancellor Adolf Hitler wrongly" is his official title.
    • He's not often referred to as such though (especially by this stage of his career, by which time his official titles bore little resemblance to his actual powers) - 'dictator', 'leader', etc, is more common. Nick-D (talk) 03:50, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well never really been a fan of using words like 'dictator', 'leader' etc on Wikipedia because it's mostly used in both a positive or negative biased way (depending on the word of course). While the most popular official title is more neutrally than these words. But meh that's of course a personal view.

Will do the rest tomorrow. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:08, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's everything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:53, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Hawkeye7

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Looks good. Some comments:

  • "The loss of Bismarck left her sister ship, Tirpitz, as Germany's only remaining large battleship." Little confused here. Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were small battleships? (Small isn't usually an adjective associated with battleship.)
  • "defend the area from an Allied invasion, something which the German leader Adolf Hitler wrongly believed the Allies intended." He wasn't wrong though; see Operation Jupiter (Norway).
  • Were there any survivors of the Izhora?
  • "Both were equipped with the Fairey Albacore. 817 Squadron had nine Albacores and 832 Squadron twelve. These biplanes were approaching obsolescence" "Obsolescent" means outdated but still capable of service. "Obsolete" means no longer capable. The Albacore was definitely obsolescent; it was verging on obselete.
  • "The aircraft carrier HMS Victorious, with an escort of a heavy cruiser and four destroyers" Do we know what ships they were?
    • The heavy cruiser was HMS Berwick, which I've named, but the destroyers aren't identified (and I'm generally trying to not name British destroyers in this article as there were lots of them, they came and went, and they didn't contribute a great deal to the events individually). Nick-D (talk) 01:58, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The British destroyers were low on fuel after their search, and headed for Iceland to refuel." RAS might have come in handy here.
  • "Such an attack was difficult for large warships to evade." Also difficult to execute though. I'm struggling to think of when someone managed to pull it off.
    • Good point - I've tweaked the wording here to note that it was theoretical. The concept may also have been faulty, as when the Americans torpedoed Musashi from both sides during the Battle of Leyte Gulf it caused her to settle evenly in the water; they learned from this mistake and concentrated their attacks on one side of Yamato in 1945. Nick-D (talk) 06:51, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Churchill knew though that the reason was that Japanese had highly effective aircraft while the Fleet Air Arm did not" That's one thing. Also, weather was fine and sunny, and the Japanese had 88 aircraft, not 12, and their torpedoes were better too.
  • In the Aftermath I expected mention of Convoy PQ 17, where the mere threat of the Tirpitz caused a convoy to scatter and 24 ships to be sunk.
  • Typos: "assummed", "Torvey", "Cilax", "{sfn|Konstam|2018|p=38}}", "unmaneuverable", "aicraft"

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 06:43, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from Iazyges

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Back to A-class reviews for the first time in a hot minute. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:37, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:25, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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