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SMS Gneisenau[edit]

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So it was just announced that marine archaeologists discovered the wreck of SMS Scharnhorst, so I thought it was time to bring her sister Gneisenau to A-class review (and perhaps to FAC before they find this wreck too!). In any event, Gneisenau had a fairly short career, being in service just six years before being sunk in December 1914 at the Falklands, a month after having helped to sink a pair of British armored cruisers. Thanks to all who take the time to review the article. Parsecboy (talk) 13:31, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by CPA-5[edit]

  • Pipe German to the German Empire.
    • Done
  • See British centimetre.
    • Fixed
  • possessions in Asia and the Pacific Ocean Unlink Pacific Ocean.
    • This is an older article, can you tell?
  • attack French Polynesia in the bombardment of Papeete in September Proper noun here.
    • Done
  • a major fleet cruise in the Atlantic Ocean immediately Unlink the Ocean here.
    • Done
  • The latter voyage included a visit to Spain Where in Spain?
  • Hildebrand et. al. don't say
  • aboard his yacht, Hohenzollern on a visit to Tsar Nicholas II of Russia This was the same as in the other articles right? You know that we don't know where our Kaiser the Tsar meet?
    • Clarified - see, I hadn't written the article on Hamburg when I did this one, so I didn't have it ;)
  • departed Wilhelmshaven, bound for China Where in China?
    • Specified
  • then passed through the Mediterranean Sea Unlink the Sea here.
    • Done
  • transited the Suez Canal, and while crossing the Indian Ocean Unlink the Ocean here.
    • Done
  • stopped in Colombo, Ceylon Pipe Ceylon to Britsh Ceylon.
    • Done
  • After resuming the voyage to East Asia Unlink East Asia.
    • Done
  • and made stops in Singapore, Hong Kong, Amoy Pipe Hong Kong with British Hong Kong.
    • Done
  • the new ambassador to Japan Pipe Japan to the Empire of Japan.
    • Done
  • included Siam, Sumatra, North Borneo, and Manila in the Philippines Pipe the Philippines to the American one.
    • Done
  • They then sailed south, arriving in Truk in early July Link for Truk?
    • Added
  • declaration of war on Serbia and the Russian mobilization Pipe both Serbia and Russia to the Kingdom of Serbia and the Russian Empire.
    • Done
  • World War I vs First World War.
    • Fixed
  • Spee detached Nürnberg to Honolulu to send Link Honolulu.
    • Done
  • The Germans attacked the colony, and in the ensuing Battle of Papeete --> "The Germans attacked the colony, and in the ensuing battle of Papeete" Not a proper noun.
    • Fixed
  • Canopus was still some 300 miles (480 km) behind Flip the miles and km.
    • Actually should be nmi, not mi
  • Link armor-piercing.
    • Done
  • expended over 40% of their ammunition supply --> "expended over 40 percent of their ammunition supply"
    • Done
  • had a cargo of 2,500 t (2,500 long tons; 2,800 short tons) Short tons not needed.
    • Done
  • departed for the Falklands at 12:00 on 6 December Remove 6 December is already mentioned.
    • Done
  • The Germans took a south-easterly course at 22 kn (41 km/h; 25 mph) --> "The Germans took a southeasterly course at 22 kn (41 km/h; 25 mph)"
    • Done
  • from exposure in the 39 °F (4 °C) water Flip here.
    • Fixed
  • Oh and link nmi and kn in the infobox.
    • Done
  • her executive officer, Korvettenkapitän (Corvette Captain) Pochhammer Pchhammer who?
    • Added
  • File:SMS_Gneisenau.png needs a circa template.
    • Added

Great to hear we finally solved another WWI mystery. For a ship which had a short life; she got a longer one than expected. :) Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 15:45, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it helps being involved in a couple of fairly major naval battles ;) Thanks CPA. Parsecboy (talk) 16:59, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • A support from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 11:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by PM[edit]

This article is in great shape. I have a few comments:

  • in the lead, suggest "the German light cruiser Nürnberg"
    • Done
  • also in the lead, Spee isn't properly introduced
    • Good catch
  • the draft figures don't match exactly between body and infobox (rounding?)
    • Fixed
  • mention the screw propellers in the body?
    • Done
  • the conversions of the top speed don't match between body and infobox (rounding?)
    • Fixed
  • where were the casemated main battery guns located?
    • Clarified
  • the turret armour isn't consistent between body and infobox
    • Fixed
  • there is a mention of wing turrets under armour, but all other guns are identified as being in centreline turrets or casemates
    • Corrected
  • the ordered date doesn't match between body and infobox
    • Good catch
  • suggest "She took part in a major fleet cruise in the Atlantic Ocean in company with the battleship squadrons of the High Seas Fleet immediately after completing trials."
    • Done
  • comma after Hohenzollern
    • Done
  • move introduction of Krosigk to first mention
    • Fixed
  • suggest "Krosigk returned to the shipher" slightly clearer
    • Done
  • suggest "The shipGneisenau won the Schießpreis for the 1912–1913 year"
    • Done
  • first name for Maerker?
    • After a bit of digging, I tracked it down
  • "arriving in Truk in early July where they would restocked their coal supplies"
    • Done
  • drop the errant space in "ordered his ships to open fire , by which time"
    • Done
  • drop the comma from "Leipzig, and Nürnberg"
    • Done
  • "Juan Fernandez Islands"
    • Fixed
  • the sources are all of high quality and reliable. Exactly what you would expect for a German ship of this vintage.

That's me done. Nice work on this. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:53, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks PM. Parsecboy (talk) 19:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image review[edit]

  • All images appropriately licensed
  • All maps or diagrams are based on reliable sources.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:57, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost forgot, the photo at the beginning of the service history section is in terrible shape. Given that it basically duplicates the view given in the infobox picture, I think that it ought to be removed.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:10, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • A fair point - I've shifted the one up and added a map of the Kiautschou concession. Parsecboy (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • The map is properly licensed, everything looks good.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:40, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gog the Mild[edit]

  • "which less powerful armored cruisers could not effectively combat." → 'which the less powerful armored cruisers could not effectively combat.'
    • Done
  • "The ship was protected by an armored belt was 15 cm of Krupp armor" A stray "was"? A missing 'which'?
    • Good catch
  • "Gneisenau was the first member of the class to be ordered on 8 June 1904" I think that you need a comma after "ordered". (Unless both ships were ordered on the same day.)
    • Fixed
  • "Prince Heinrich had pressed for such a cruise the previous year, arguing that it would prepare the fleet for overseas operations and would break up the monotony of training in German waters, though tensions with Britain over the developing Anglo-German naval arms race were high." !) That's a long sentence. 2) While I understand the connection, I am not sure that a mythical average reader will understand what the naval race tensions have to do with the monotony of training in German waters without further explanation.
    • Split the sentence
  • "and continued to the Atlantic" Is it known if they went through the Channel?
    • I'd assume so, but I don't know for sure
  • "The fleet returned to Germany" Likewise.
    • As above
  • "before she departed for another trip to Southwest Asia" → 'Southeast'?
    • Good catch
  • "and the source of German records of the battle" Just checking that "the" is correct, as opposed to 'a'.
    • Yeah, the definite article is correct, since it's referring to a specific battle

Very fine work indeed. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:36, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gog. Parsecboy (talk) 21:17, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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