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The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles.

Any article currently on this list may be challenged. The discussion is open to the following rules:

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  1. Before being closed, a Level 5 proposal must:
    1. Run for at least 15 days; AND
    2. Allow at least 7 days after the most recent vote; AND
    3. Have at least 4 participants.
  2. For a proposal to be implemented on the Level 5 list:
    1. It must have over 60% support (see table); AND
    2. It must have at least 4 support votes !votes.
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Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Geography/Cities

Add Pataliputra

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Was the capitol of several empires who reigned in the Indian subcontinent, and was once one of the largest cities in the world.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Absolutely. For comparison, we list Persepolis  4 at Lv4 and that wasn't actually a major population center in ancient Iran. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. PrimalMustelid (talk) 00:59, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. This queue system has brought this to my attention. Very good nom.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:12, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Remove Sassari  5

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I do not think Sardinia  4 (pop. 1.6M) needs two cities.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 17:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support, largely just to close this one out, but we're close to quota on cities and I get the feeling we'll be cutting them at some point in the future. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. PrimalMustelid (talk) 00:58, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Sardinia is a major island, and I feel two cities is enough when Sicily gets four (Palermo, Syracuse, Messina and Catania). I would support removing Sassari, if we would cut some Sicilian city. Makkool (talk) 14:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Eh, Siracusa is very important historically and fits in better with the historical city section, but the other three are somewhat large cities and meet the general population criteria for a Western European city. 🍋‍🟩 OhnoitsvileplumeXD (talk) 20:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Sylt

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A major tourist destination in Germany. Place under Physical geography#Islands.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:53, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 14:53, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support, Physical Geo is still under quota for now so "brainstorming is welcome". -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Pacification of Algeria

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Also known as Algerian genocide [1]

From the Pacification of Algeria article: Out of an estimated population of 3 million, between 500,000 and 1 million Algerians were killed Bogazicili (talk) 17:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. Bogazicili (talk) 17:38, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, after some thought, we're still filling in the section and can worry about over-representation later. Also, by my "some overlap at Lv5 is good" principle, let's list this alongside the other article; if they're redundant, that should be reconciled within the articles. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We already list French conquest of Algeria  5, and the two interwikis that this article has makes me skeptical to believe it's important outside of the central article. There's not even an article on this topic in Arabic. But at the same time, genocides have historically been neglected by the masses (and that's generally what allows them to happen in the first place), so maybe my mind could be changed. λ NegativeMP1 22:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Swap 2022 Kazakh unrest  5 with Kazakh famine of 1930–1933

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Similar to Holodomor  4 but more important than 2022 Kazakh unrest  5

Support
  1. As nominator Bogazicili (talk) 11:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support, we have the room and "some overlap at Lv5" is good so adding the famine is straight-forward. As for removing 2022 Kazakh unrest  5, it's a very recent article on geopolitics, which typically means some agenda pushing. Probably best to delist it for now; we can always re-add it in a few years out if hindsight confirms its importance. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above Makkool (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. FWIW we already list Soviet famine of 1930–1933  5 Iostn (talk) 17:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That should be level 4 then. Holodomar and Kazakh famine of 1930–1933 should be level 5. Bogazicili (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Sino-French War

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An important colonial war that led to the creation of French Indochina  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, history has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Zinderboff (talk) 01:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add 1st millennium and 2nd millennium

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These cover major important events in world history. Should be listed alongside centuries as well.

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A bit broad, but still worth including. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 2nd-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. 1st-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:34, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose both, I've honestly never liked the idea of including timeline articles at VA. They're essentially chronological list articles, and we typically discourage lists. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:06, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. After a bit of thinking, there are a lot of things I would rather use these slots for. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:18, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Just to clarify the current margin, 2nd millennium almost has enough support at 3-2, while 1st millennium is failing at 2-3. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:07, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Auxiliary_sciences_of_history topics

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Since Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/History is under quota at 3266/3300, I nominate Fleur-de-lis, Trident and Star (heraldry) for their importance in Heraldry  4 and Vexillology  5 for listing in Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/History#Auxiliary_sciences_of_history.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I belatedly added Trident after first placing it in Technology for its military and farming/hunting history. However, its symbolism for deities, superheros, corporations, athletic institutions, and military forces is probably even more vital.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support
  1. as nom-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support, we have the room for now. Long run, if we list them primarily as symbols, I wonder if they belong somewhere with Culture. But let's not worry about that just yet. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

More historical region additions

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Add Greater India

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After Zar2gar1's suggestion. A cultural-historical region, also known as the Indian cultural sphere.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 16:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See discussion below. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure, agree with GeogSage's suggested move of the conceptual article too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Greater Iran

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Another Zar2gar1's suggestion. Also known as the Persosphere or Iranosphere.

Support
  1. Support both as nom. Makkool (talk) 16:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See discussion below. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure, agree with GeogSage's suggested move of the conceptual article too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Badakhshan

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Historical region in Central Asia, in areas of modern-day Tajikistan and Afghanistan.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See discussion below. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Had to think a bit more about this one, but sure. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

BTW, we don't currently list the Wakhan corridor, which IIUC was historically how trade moved into China via Xinjiang and Gansu. It's pretty much to China what the Khyber pass is to the Indian subcontinent. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Add Balochistan

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Another Central Asian region, the land of the Baloch people  5. In areas of modern-day Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See discussion below. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Definitely, politically relevant too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Parthia

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Historical region of Persia of antiquity, a part of Greater Iran.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) Makkool (talk) 18:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. See discussion below. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. We probably already list Parthian empire, but this would be good to have too. Touches on some differences still applicable to modern Iran and Afghanistan. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

General discussion

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Add Operation Paperclip

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Operation paperclip was a program at the end of WWII where the United States brought NAZI scientists to the United States. Wernher von Braun  4 was one individual brought to the U.S. through this program. Check the "Advancements in aeronautics" of the article if you need to see why this was vital to the history of the technology.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, after some thought, we're still filling in the section. We can worry about over-representation of WWII later. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't really think of this as WWII, this is a major part of the history of the United States space program. It is a Swords to ploughshares situation, coming out of the ashes of WWII, but I think of it more as part of the post war period then the war itself. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 03:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:15, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Jallianwala Bagh massacre

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Added in earlier, but it is a significant event in which hundreds of Indians were killed by British Indian soldiers to crush the pro-independence movements, leading to massive backlash that fueled Indian resentment towards the United Kingdom and may have been a factor leading to eventual Indian independence. PrimalMustelid (talk) 23:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. PrimalMustelid (talk) 23:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Burning of Smyrna

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I thought of this in the proposal to add Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction  5. While this is more localized, it was arguably the culminating event that led to ethnic Greeks leaving Anatolia. Having both articles will fill out our coverage of the final years of the Ottoman empire. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Kamikaze (typhoon)

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I thought of this while commenting in some of the natural disaster proposals. These are the storms that destroyed Mongol fleets attempting to invade Japan. Besides the historical importance, it's arguably the East Asian equivalent to the Spanish Armada  5 that attempted to invade England, which we already list. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:54, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:55, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Add Burning of Washington

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This historic event came to mind after reading several other disaster proposals. This event was part of the War of 1812  4 when the British took and burned Washington D.C.. Related to the Kamikaze and Spanish Armada link in terms of weather, per the articles lede "Less than four days after the attack began, a heavy thunderstorm, possibly a hurricane and a tornado, extinguished the fires and caused further destruction."

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, this is another good one to fill out the "forces of nature" theme. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:47, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 18:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add some notable land routes -> phys geo

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I originally had this idea from the proposal to add the Badakhshan region of Central Asia. Would presumably go under Physical Geography. Also, for precedent, we do already list the Darién Gap  5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add the Safed Koh mountains

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AKA the White Mountains, not a pass, but the specific mountain subrange the Khyber Pass traverses. We actually don't list it though so may as well toss it out there now.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral

Add the Wakhan Corridor

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Technically a region of Afghanistan, and apparently never a primary link in the Silk Road  3, but this contains the only feasible direct link between modern-day Afghanistan and China.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add the Fulda Gap

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Leaving Central Asia and moving to Central Europe, this may not have been as notable until more recently, but it has historical importance particularly related to Cold War military planning.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add the Suwałki Gap

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Another land pass between modern-day Poland and Lithuania, relevant to contemporary geopolitics. Also historically a common route for military maneuvers in the area.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 19:21, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add more Geographic Concepts (set 2 of 2)

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Add Transport geography

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Studies the movement and connection of people and goods between places.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, especially since Principles is listed under the still under-quota Phys Geo section. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. J947 ‡ edits 05:50, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per J947. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:55, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Eh, I'm open to being convinced but I don't think we need an article here about transport viewed from a geographers' perspective. I'd rather some extra Urban planning  4 concepts. J947 ‡ edits 23:51, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, I know several Urban planners, they all have geography degrees. My geography department has several alumni in planning, we teach classes on transport/urban topics, I took a transportation geography class taught by a city planner, and I know a lot of people who went to school with me who are in planning now, so not exaggerating. We tend to view urban planning as largely applied geography. Just a few examples, UNC Greensboro Bachelor's in Geography - Urban Planning, Old Dominion University [Geography with a Major in Urban Planning & Emergency/Hazards Management (BS)], and ASU School of Geographical Sciences and Urban Planning does offer a separate urban planning degree through their department, but it is partnered with geography. Transport geography IS a urban planning concept as far as I'm aware. Time geography  5, Urban geography, and Central place theory  5 are all very involved in planning. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 04:01, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Health geography

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Studies the application of spatial methods to understanding human health phenomena.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 06:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, especially since Principles is listed under the still under-quota Phys Geo section. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. J947 ‡ edits 05:50, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per J947's logic above. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:55, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Kurashiki  5

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Suburb of Okayama  5. Compare Remove Wolverhampton or Remove Gelsenkirchen and Oberhausen.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:42, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm not a big fan of having sub-regions of cities included. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Funabashi  5

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Suburb of Tokyo  3 well-integrated with the capital via public transport.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'm not a big fan of having sub-regions of cities included. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:04, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Has 640,000 people pbp 10:29, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Besides pbp's point about population, I'll have to think a bit more about how these relate to other suburbs, or non-suburbs in general. I'm guessing we'll want to trim the Cities section more; that probably means being a little systematic though. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Same question as Espoo near by.... At level 4 we list both Rotterdam and The Hague which are kind of in the same metro area, and Google says they are around 24 km apart, closer than this to Tokyo, which Google says they are 36 km apart. We also list London at level 3, then City of London and City of Westminster at level 5. If we are to discus whether these suburb/close-by-cities of other cities are vital or not, I think the discussion needs to be more thorough than "close to, or within, another city" as some almost identical cases exist and are not brought up and are almost given a free pass. Especially if we list all of New York Boroughs... Also we list Wall Street at level 5 which is about an individual street as well as New York Stock Exchange, which is about the financial topics at level 4, Central Park at level 4 and Manhattan at 5.  Carlwev  19:21, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add several cartography concepts

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Digital elevation model

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These are 3D computer graphics representation of elevation data to represent terrain or overlaying objects, commonly of a planet, moon, or asteroid. Widely used in cartography and spatial analysis. They are often generated with Radar, LiDAR, or photogrammetry.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Shuttle Radar Topography Mission

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From the lede "The Shuttle Radar Topography Mission (SRTM) is an international research effort that obtained digital elevation models on a near-global scale from 56°S to 60°N, to generate the most complete high-resolution digital topographic database of Earth prior to the release of the ASTER GDEM in 2009." The space shuttle basically took a Radar photo of large sections of the planet. We still use these products widely today. Could also go under STEM but I thought I'd propose it here first.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. Let's keep it with Geography even if it has a highly-technical back-story. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

ArcGIS

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Most commonly used GIS software in the United States. Widely used in the creation of maps.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. Let's keep it with Geography even if it's a technical product. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Changing to oppose, I think Geographic information system  5 is enough. I'd rather list all computer software on the Technology page. Makkool (talk) 09:37, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

QGIS

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Widely used open source GIS software.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. Let's keep it with Geography even if it's a technical product. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Changing to oppose, I think Geographic information system  5 is enough. I'd rather list all computer software on the Technology page. Makkool (talk) 09:37, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Choropleth map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They show statistical data aggregated over predefined regions, such as countries or states, by coloring or shading these regions.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Proportional symbol map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They use point symbols of different sizes (height, length, area, or volume) to represent quantitative statistical values associated with different areas or locations within the map.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Dot distribution map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They place small point symbols over a given space to indicate the distribution of a given phenomenon.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Flow map

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One of the most common types of Thematic map  5. They use line symbols to portray movement or relationship between two or more places, such as air travel, monetary aid, or economic trade.

Support
  1. As nom. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, adds depth and Cartography still has the room. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:28, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:43, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Islamist insurgency in Burkina Faso

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Coming up to ten years since this began. According to the article around 40% of the country is controlled by Jihadist forces leading to the displacement of over 2 million people and the deaths of at least 10,000 civilians and combatants. See also Template:Campaignbox Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso for the long list of related articles.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 23:22, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Sure, history still has the room / cushion. We can revisit for recency issues more systematically later. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:42, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    r/historymemes has a "20 year rule" for what is allowed. Perhaps some similar guideline could be suggested to avoid recency debates. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:57, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Also I would add that for two years it has been the "world's most neglected crisis" according to the NRC. Sahaib (talk) 17:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Swap Yemeni unification with North Yemen civil war

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The North Yemen civil war has more language links and is more impactful as it led to the abolition of the monarchy and the country becoming a republic. It is also likely the deadliest civil war in the last 100 years that is not already listed as vital on Wikipedia with a death toll of 100,000–200,000. Per the article, it is also described as Egypt's Vietnam war. Yemeni unification did not last very long as Yemen has been de-facto divided since the Yemeni civil war (2014–present).

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 15:31, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 16:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Mixed
  1. Strong support add, oppose removal. The civil war is definitely a huge event, but History has the cushion, and we arguably don't include enough diplomatic events, especially one's that form states like this. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:42, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per Zar. Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:20, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Jebel Akhdar War and Dhofar War

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After Sahaib noticed we don't include the North Yemen civil war, that got me wondering about Oman next door. Sure enough, we're missing both the Jebel Akhdar War and Dhofar War.

Both during the Cold War, these 2 wars are arguably what created the modern state of Oman and also demonstrate a lot of foreign skullduggery. Prior to these wars, the Sultanate of Oman was largely a colonial and coastal affair, with the Oman interior controlled for over a millennium by an effectively independent, elected imamate.

As for space, History is just about at the quota, but we have a 2% cushion so I'm just going to propose these as straight additions.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:42, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure. I'll go through history a bit and see if anything jumps out for a removal proposal as well. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:56, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Dhofar only. The other one doesn't have enough interwikis. The JA War also resulted in less than 1,000 killed; less than loads of battles and offensives we DON'T have pbp 05:54, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough, though TBF we list a lot of things that killed way fewer people too. Not trying to change your mind, but like I said above, it's more notable for the level of Cold War intrigue and how completely it reshaped the political map of Oman, which is a country with some pull. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:51, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Two River additions

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Add Churchill River (Atlantic)

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Different from Churchill River (Hudson Bay)  5. Largest river in Atlantic Canada  5 and likely of importance to the region.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 20:45, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, Phys Geo is still under quota so no need to overthink it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Lerma River

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Large river in Mexico that seems to be of pretty good importance. Empties into Lake Chapala  5. Would maybe make a good addition to a subsection which currently only has one article (Rivers > Mexico and Central America).

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 20:45, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, Phys Geo is still under quota so no need to overthink it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Labrador

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1/2 of Newfoundland and Labrador  5, along with Newfoundland (island)  4. Though sparsely populated, the region of Labrador is of importance and should be recognized as VA. Part of the Labrador Peninsula  5.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 20:45, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, Countries/Regions are under-quota (and should still be if our lists + quota cut works). No need to overthink it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think there's already sufficient coverage of this area – the human geo stuff is covered in Newfoundland and Labrador, and the physical geo stuff is covered in Labrador Peninsula. With a population of only 27,000, Labrador doesn't command its own article at VA5 in my opinion. J947 ‡ edits 22:09, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @J947 just a suggestion to at least make some additions to the under-quota category. There is more specific history related to Labrador that isn't covered in the NL&L and peninsula articles. B3251(talk) 13:19, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Isthmus of Chignecto

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Connects Nova Scotia  5, a peninsula province, to the mainland New Brunswick  5. Lots of history from back during the Acadia  5 days (see Raid on Chignecto (1696) & Battle at Chignecto, as well as the Battle of Fort Beauséjour for example), and is extremely vital for transportation between the two provinces. This has been highlighted more recently due to the largely low elevated land on the isthmus which has been prone to flooding.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 20:45, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, Phys Geo is still under quota so no need to overthink it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Hadhramaut

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Region in Oman, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Related articles include Kingdom of Hadhramaut, Hadhramaut Governorate, Hadramautic language, Hadhrami Arabic and Hadharem.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 21:42, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, important plus Countries/Regions are under-quota (and should still be if our lists + quota cut works). No need to overthink it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 20:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 18:41, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Deir ez-Zor

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Because this city is the largest in Eastern Syria, and was the final destination of the deportees of the Armenian genocide, it is no doubt vital at this level. RekishiEJ (talk) 15:30, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom.--RekishiEJ (talk) 15:31, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, I get the feeling we'll try to trim Cities more soon, but this is a decent singular addition. Also larger than Manbij  5, which we already list, and notable as a frontline during the civil war. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Open proposals at top

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Hi everyone, we're doing a really good job of participating and moving things along on this page. Up at the top though, we still have several open proposals just shy of a clear margin. Whether you're swinging by regularly or once in a while, please consider voting if you aren't completely ambivalent. It's not just about keeping things flowing either, but also a matter of fairness to your fellow participants. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where should we categorize Wall Street?

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Right now, Wall Street is categorized in geography, but I don't think it should go there. My thoughts are that it could go either in economics or architecture. What do you think? Interstellarity (talk) 02:00, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't pick Architecture. I don't think the buildings themselves are particularly exceptional and it's technically the whole street with several institutions, not just the NYSE.
The logic for Economics is clearer, but I would still lean towards Geography. In a way, most of the articles we list in Geography (outside the Phys Geo section) are also just cultural institutions (towns, countries, etc.) situated in a time and place. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 03:55, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Swap Guernsey for Bailiwick of Guernsey

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Bailiwick of Guernsey is more broader as it includes Alderney and Sark which are not listed.

Support
  1. As nom. Sahaib (talk) 07:56, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Mixed
  1. Oppose removal, support addition. No need to overcomplicate it. I think we're still under quota in Phys Geo where the island is listed, and should have room for the polity in Countries/Regions, regardless of whether the bulk list-removal goes through. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 18:38, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support addition: we should keep Guernsey in Islands and add Bailiwick of Guernsey to Regions and country subdivisions Makkool (talk) 16:56, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Windscale fire

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I would nominate Windscale fire it was a Nuclear Accident in the United Kingdom.

Support
  1. 1keyhole (talk) 04:36, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Sure, we're just about at quota now and trying to represent disasters a bit more came up recently. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add International Jewish conspiracy

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This conspiracy theory is bullshit and repulsive, but influential enough to be listed at VA5 pbp 17:48, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 17:48, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Arguably the precursor/underlier of all modern conspiracy theories. Iostn (talk) 23:15, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose

Oppose here, neutral if we can fit it under Culture somewhere. The idea has real effects, but since (I hope we'll all agree) it's a mythical meme, I don't really think History is the right place for it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:13, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I nominated it under history is because Conspiracy theory  4 itself is currently listed under history. pbp 23:33, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, interesting, and it's there on Lv4 so we probably can't just move it boldly yet. Personally, I would think the general Conspiracy theory article makes way more sense with something like Sociology. Tell you what, I'll change my vote to neutral here, but keep a note we should probably move this with the general article. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 12:48, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Per above GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:21, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral

It is obviously important but the article's relatively small number of language links (13) compared to other conspiracy pages that are not listed such as COVID-19 misinformation (42), Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory (26), Great Replacement conspiracy theory (29), John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories (14), White genocide conspiracy theory (21), etc, makes me a little skeptical (no pun intended). Sahaib (talk) 18:06, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since we already apparently list the parent Conspiracy theory  4 article in History for now, I won't get in the way of adding it. I've proposed moving that to Sociology on Lv4 though so my understanding is we'd move this one too, either before or after it passes. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Add New World Order conspiracy theory (aka globalist conspiracy)

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Not as old or influential as the Jewish conspiracy above (and, indeed, derivative of same), but influential enough to contempoary politics and media (i.e. Alex Jones  5) to justify inclusion at this level. Again, bullshit, but influential bullshit.

Support
  1. pbp 18:07, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Seems vital enough based on language links (41). Sahaib (talk) 18:11, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose

Oppose here, neutral if we can fit it under Culture somewhere. The idea has real effects, but since (I hope we'll all agree) it's a mythical meme, I don't really think History is the right place for it. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:13, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Per above. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:22, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

I don't know how many conspiracy theories we list, but I think there are extremely few that are actually vital. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 01:22, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since we already apparently list the parent Conspiracy theory  4 article in History for now, I won't get in the way of adding it. I've proposed moving that to Sociology on Lv4 though so my understanding is we'd move this one too, either before or after it passes. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 14:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Fall of the Berlin Wall

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Iconic moment of the Cold War  3 and the Revolutions of 1989  4. Though derived from Berlin Wall  4, it should be fair to say the fall itself is VA. Zinderboff (talk) 17:06, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Zinderboff (talk) 17:06, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely. B3251(talk) 20:14, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Strong support, we're just about at quota in History now, but this was obviously a historical turning point. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Surprised this wasn't included yet. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:35, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Weak Support.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Per above. Note Peaceful Revolution as a potential addition too. J947 ‡ edits 22:40, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Vilcabamba, Peru

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The so called "lost city of the Incas". Served as the capital of the Neo-Inca State from 1539 to 1572, the last refuge of the Inca Empire after the Spanish Conquest. Add to Historical cities.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:11, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong support, especially since listing major historical cities seems less arbitrary to me than filtering contemporary ones. Also, for anyone swinging by, I just want to draw their attention again to the proposals up top, including one to add Pataliputra, the capital of the Maurya Empire  4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add it where? Historical cities? pbp 22:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add Low Countries

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Another European historical region. The Low Countries consists of the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxerbourg, and parts of Northern Germany and France. 60 languages

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 22:28, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Even though Benelux  5 is listed. J947 ‡ edits 22:45, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yep, that's in Politics and economics, which is a right place for it. Benelux is more about the economic union of the countries, and this is the geographical side. Makkool (talk) 23:07, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Yep. This is a problem with regional geography, the cake can be sliced infinite numbers of ways so there is tremendous overlap in regions. We may need to find a way to sort this out later and I pitty the poor soul that needs to go after this section for removals, but add for now. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 23:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Sure, we'll have some room and it should be easier to place with the ongoing reorg too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:31, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Samoan crisis  5

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Not a vital incident, can be covered at VA5 by Samoan Civil War  5.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 19:18, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. J947 ‡ edits 22:55, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Sure, especially with existing coverage. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:31, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Death of Michael Jackson

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The untimely death of Michael Jackson  3 in 2009 was an extremely impactful event. Several websites crashed, it dominated the news for weeks, and it was the second-most covered event in all of human history on social media at the time, second only to Obama's election. It also made the historical top 10 for most news media coverage. This event is certainly vital.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:15, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. So, to a certain extent, I get the idea behind wanting to list this. Being the article about the death of the most famous pop culture figure to ever live, who is also V3. But that's exactly the issue that I feel comes with listing this. If this makes any sense, articles on the deaths of pop culture figures, in the context that is just their death + public shock and reactions, and not an event with global repercussions like the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand  4, which started World War I  3, do not feel like traditional encyclopedic topics. It's similar to why we don't list specific television episodes as vital, even if you can definitely think of some like Ozymandias (Breaking Bad) that are debatably more important than entire TV shows, including some that we list or have listed in the past. Furthermore, people still discuss the death of Franz Ferdinand. I doubt that the death of Michael Jackson specifically is actively discussed independently of M.J. himself these days. Also, in general I just don't like the idea of listing the death of a pop culture figure as vital, and if articles like that are already listed that I'm unaware of, there's a good chance they should be reconsidered. λ NegativeMP1 19:12, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'd prefer not. I'd also prefer MJ not be Lv 3 pbp 21:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. No.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:27, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Recentism, something like Death of Adolf Hitler would have more long-term relevance.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:31, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Off topic but...I was thinking about articles about "death of" and similar in general. Level 3 people, like Lincoln and Caesar have their deaths/assassinations at level 5. Franz Ferdinand is level 5 but his assassination is at level 4, due to triggering WW1. Other level 3 people have a death article but they're not listed anywhere in VA like Alexander the Great, Cleopatra and Hitler. There are also lev 4 and 5 people who's death was a significant media event, like Lennon and Diana which we don't list, then ones which we do like JFK. Other Level 3 people like Gengis Khan, their death was probably significant to history but their death does not even exist as an article. Just thinking out loud, I am wondering if Franz Ferdinand assassination is one level more important than himself and his assassin, Gavrilo Princip, but... we list Mark David Chapman the guy who killed Lennon. The only notable thing he did was to murder Lennon, would the Murder of John Lennon not be notable than the murderer, or should the murderer be removed? or am I wrong??  Carlwev  11:25, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are correct that a) political deaths/assassinations are more notable than celebrity deaths/assassinations, and b) Chapman should be removed pbp 21:03, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unilateral quota change: cut 100 from Countries and Regions

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Hi everyone, so the plan to trim particularly list-y articles from Countries & Regions is going well. I think the section should already be under 1,300 now (Cewbot will update totals tonight), and I'll probably be trimming more in a last pass.

Part of the proposal though was an understanding that we would shave the quota for that section to free up space elsewhere. We don't need to decide where now; we can just add it to the unallocated pile. I'm hoping this will be pretty uncontroversial, especially since we struggled to fill this category anyways. By comparison, most of the Society categories could probably use more slack.

For anyone that may be reluctant, I'd also point out this definitely isn't permanent. If the other sections are able to stabilize, and we do decide more country subdivisions really are vital, we can pull back in some slots and expand the category again.

Support
  1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:28, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. It is a difficult section to populate and make decisions, so it's quite difficult to tell where the quota should be, but I think this makes sense for now. J947 ‡ edits 22:39, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Yeah, this seems fair for the time being. We can always reconsider this later. λ NegativeMP1 18:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
  1. While I understand where this is coming from, support trimming regions, and know we need quota for other sections, I struggle to support quota shifts coming from sections outside of biographies until that section is brought under control. Won't outright oppose, but think that quota could be used within the history/geography category for non-regional topics before being sent to a section like society, which could likely stand to be trimmed. Math, health, and technology are all very lean comparatively. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 21:13, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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