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The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles.

Any article currently on this list may be challenged. The discussion is open to the following rules:

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    1. Run for at least 15 days; AND
    2. Allow at least 7 days after the most recent vote; AND
    3. Have at least 4 participants.
  2. For a proposal to be implemented on the Level 5 list:
    1. It must have over 60% support (see table); AND
    2. It must have at least 4 support votes !votes.
  3. For proposed additions from August 2024 onwards, the nominator should list (and possibly link to) at least one potential section in the level 5 vital articles list for the article to be added to. Supporters can also help in this regard.

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Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Arts
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Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Everyday life/Sports, games and recreation
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Philosophy and religion
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Culture
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics
Further information: Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Social studies

Add Knowledge management

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Place under Management  3 at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. The Blue Rider 21:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 13:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Systems management

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Can be under Management  3 at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics, can be under Technology

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Social relation

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Social interaction redirects here. Different social interactions combine to form a Social network  4. I think it's an important concept in Social studies.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
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Add Histoire de Melody Nelson

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Usually held to be the magnum opus for Serge Gainsbourg  4. Other than Trans Europa Express (which has an English version) and the Miles Davis albums (which are instrumentals), all of the albums listed are in English. Of all the non-English albums we have articles for, this is probably the most vital.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 00:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Caravan (Juan Tizol and Duke Ellington song) and Stardust (1927 song)

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These two song are stated in the intro of jazz standard to be one of the most covered songs of all time. Admittedly, the “Stardust” article does a much better job explaining its vitality than “Caravan”’s article.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 21:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Technical support

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A major component of Customer service  5 (nominated above) in relation to products and services which consumers do not know how to use.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Cold War strategies

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There were three main stratigies applied by the US during the Cold War, détente, containment and rollback. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@The Blue Rider: wouldn't these be better placed in "History?" Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, not really even though they became popular they are still used nowadays. The Blue Rider 15:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add détente

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Détente is a strategy aimed at relaxing tensions between two countries. It was first utilized by the Kennedy administration during the Cuban Missile Crisis  4, which ultimately led to the establishment of the red telephone. This approach was further employed by Richard Nixon, resulting in the negotiation of several important treaties, including the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and the Helsinki Accords (both should also be added). Détente played a crucial role in bringing an end to the Vietnam War and contributed to the improvement of relations between the US and China, ultimately leading to China's entrance into the United Nations. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add containment

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Containment was a strategy aimed at halting the spread of communism, largely driven by the belief in the domino theory (which should also be added). With the fall of China, Cuba, and other nations to communism, Harry Truman, through his Truman Doctrine  5, initiated interventions in multiple countries that were on the brink of succumbing to communism. These interventions included the Greek Civil War  5, the Korean War  4, the Vietnam War  4, Guatemalan Civil War  5, among others. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
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Add rollback

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The final strategy, and the most aggressive one, involved actively intervening in communist countries with the aim of changing their regimes. This approach was primarily utilized by Reagan and the Bushes administrations. It resulted in interventions such as the Bay of Pigs Invasion  5, support for the Contras in Nicaragua, the United States invasion of Grenada  5, and more recently, the United States invasion of Afghanistan. The Blue Rider 13:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 12:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Hanna-Barbera

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Although we do have William Hanna  5 and Joseph Barbera  5 on here along with some shows, I still think we need the company. They’re responsible for a large chunk of American TV animation (and for some periods, most of it).

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 08:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add An Essay on the Principle of Population

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Thomas Malthus's magnum opus, continues to shape economic theory and social policy; from the decay of the English Poor Laws, to the works and ideas of important philosophers and economists, such as David Ricardo  4 and Adam Smith  3. His ideas, Malthusianism  5, that come from the book, explore the relationship between population growth and resources, has influenced debates on birth control, income distribution, and sustainable development. Malthus's insights remain relevant today, informing discussions on global challenges like climate change and poverty alleviation. The Blue Rider 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 18:35, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. V5 importance, although overlap with V5 Malthusianism is significant. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Rechtsstaat

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The Rechtsstaat, originating in German Jurisprudence  4, embodies principles of legal certainty, equality before the law, and protection of individual rights. This principle depends on the Separation of powers  4, ensuring Judicial independence  5 and impartiality. It emphasizes the rule of law as a safeguard against arbitrary government actions, ensuring that legal processes are transparent, predictable, and fair. The doctrine has influenced constitutionalism and legal theory globally, contributing to the development of democratic governance and the protection of human rights in diverse countries

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 14:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 20:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
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Add Corporal punishment

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A historically common form of Punishment  4 which persists in some countries. Compare Capital punishment  4, which is at V4.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per above. starship.paint 14:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Lebensraum

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Lebensraum, a geopolitical concept coined by Friedrich Ratzel, that posits that territories are living organisms and, as so, need to expand in order to provide for their population. This idea was notably adopted and distorted by the Nazi Party during World War II to justify their aggressive expansionist policies. Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime used the concept of Lebensraum to justify their invasions and annexations of neighboring territories, particularly in Eastern Europe, under the pretext of securing land for the German people. This expansionist ideology was a key component of Nazi propaganda and played a significant role in shaping the course of World War II. The Blue Rider 17:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 21:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove New York Public Library  5 and Boston Public Library  5

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I don't think we need any libraries that are not national libraries at this level. I think Library of Congress is sufficient for US libraries. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support NYPL
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support BPL
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 01:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Only the fifth largest library in the US. Possible swap for Shanghai Library? Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Quite surprised this was listed tbh. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose NYPL
  1. Strong oppose. We should have two American libraries, and it is the world’s fourth largest at 55 million catalogued items. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: Different sources have different criteria regarding how big libraries are. NYPL is the second biggest by catalog size, but BPL is the largest by volumes held. I think this is something we should consider when deciding what to remove an add. Interstellarity (talk) 13:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Interstellarity: I was just going off List of largest libraries, where only the catalogue size is listed. I still see the NYPL as more vital, as it has double the interwikis and triple the daily views. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 13:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: I found these articles at here and here. One article has the NYPL as larger and the other has BPL as larger, but if you still think NYPL is more vital, I’ll respect your opinion on that. Interstellarity (talk) 14:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not even mentioning its sheer size (fourth largest library in the world), amount of visitors, and iconicness, it's also a historic landmark. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per above Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose BPL
Discussion

Add Damage

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A very common concept, albeit somewhat dicdef. Should be V5.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

I must go punch that baby

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Add Juvenile delinquency  5

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PASSED
Passed 4–0. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Society reacts differently to people committing crimes when they are underage. It's an important area in Criminology  4 with influences from the family environment and peers, and differences in how they are tried (e.g. Juvenile court) and punished (e.g. juvenile homes rather than prisons) to reflect their different level of cognitive development.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Add Age of criminal responsibility

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The age one must be in order to be capable of committing an offence. If one is too young, one is presumed to not be able to tell whether something should be wrong or not. An important concept comparable to, say, Age of consent  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Age of majority  5 and Minor (law)  5

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PASSED
Both passed 4–0. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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At what age do you become an adult? Different societies think differently on this, but it's usually somewhere between 18 and 21. An important concept which relates to whether you can drink, consent to sexual activity, and be liable for criminal acts (see nomination above).

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Add Strike (attack)

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Striking is the primary way Hand-to-hand combat  5 (nominated above) is conducted, but it should be listed separately because variations of strikes are also employed in Martial arts  3 and combat sports.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  3. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Punch (combat)

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A strike (nominated above) conducted with the fist. It is used in most martial arts and combat sports, and is the only type of offensive technique allowed in Boxing  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 10:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:54, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Kick

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A strike (nominated above) using the leg. Used in many forms of martial arts, as well as in self-defense applications.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 10:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint 11:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Supporting. Very surprised this and punch weren't listed already. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:55, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap: Add The Rose of Versailles, remove Cardcaptor Sakura  5

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The former is decades older and has better claims of vitality, and they have sold a similar amount. Cardcaptor Sakura feels a somewhat questionable inclusion to me, seeming not quite popular/acclaimed/influential/famous enough to be preferred over something like Berserk (manga) or even Monster (manga) (which are scored into the top 10 of various manga sites by their users).

(I initially thought about replacing Cardcaptor with Berserk but eventually decided on a shoujo-shoujo swap, and I'm wondering a bit whether some of Berserk's vitality claims might be too inspired by the 2021 death of its author.)

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support removal of Cardcaptor Sakura. I agree that it's a questionable inclusion, per nom. But I would think that Princess Knight would be a better replacement, if we would want to list another shoujo manga instead. Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

No votes in a long time. If this proposal goes nowhere I may propose a swap with Berserk (manga) instead.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Siesta

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An enduring cross-cultural practice.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Big in Spanish-speaking countries. The Blue Rider 12:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:10, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Social organization

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"Collectivism" redirects here. I think collectivism should be listed at the same level as Individualism  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Personal development

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A process that everyone goes through. Or is it too vague as a concept?

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 06:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Public good (economics)

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There are three types of goods in economics, private goods, common goods and public goods. Public goods are of the interest of the state and are specially important in welfare states. They are also widely studied in the field of economics because they have a grand influence in the policies of a state; one must decide whether to allocate resources toward public goods provision through taxation and government spending or to leave their provision to the private sector, considering factors such as efficiency, equity, and the role of government in promoting societal welfare. The Blue Rider 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Since the other 2 are not listed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Two wrongs don't make a right, plus public goods are the most immportant of them all. The Blue Rider 19:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Cyberspace

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Important concept in science and fiction, 49 interwikis. Almost 7k daily pageviews. Not sure which section to add this too, suggestions welcome. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Some businesses analysis

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Basic concepts that are taught at businesses and economics bachelor's. The Blue Rider 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add SWOT analysis

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PASSED
Passed 4–0. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Widely used framework that companies utilize to help decision-making, specifically their strenghts (S), weaknesses (W), opportunities (O) and threats (T); 57 interwikis. The Blue Rider 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Very widely used term in business. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add PEST analysis

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Another widely used framework that companies utilize to know their macro-environmental factors, such as political (P), economic (E), social (S) and technological (T); sometimes it is extended as PESTEL to include other factors. 35 interwikis. The Blue Rider 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Porter's five forces analysis

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PASSED
Passed 4–0. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Finally, a widely method used to get a sense of the competition a company is facing. It includes, threat of new entrants, threat of substitutes, bargaining power of customers, bargaining power of suppliers and competitive rivalry. 34 interwikis. The Blue Rider 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Very famous framework in business. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm sure there are more articles that could be added but this is what I gathered from a quick glance. Also, I'm only going to provide very brief reasonings since I don't have the patient to do longer ones as of now. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Schengen Area

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Extremely important since it allows the free movement of people in 29 countries without any kind of Border control  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. A key concept for the EU. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per above. starship.paint 13:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Iostn (talk) 21:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add European single market

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Equally important since it allows the free movement of capital, people, services and goods in 32 countries.

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. A key concept for the EU. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:47, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 21:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:42, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Maastricht Treaty

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Last comment was in April. Added 5-0. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It created the European Union  3 and its main pillars!

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 21:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. As important as the Treaty of Lisbon  5 that amended it. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:57, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 23:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Treaty of Rome

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It created the European Coal and Steel Community  5, European Economic Community  5 and Euratom  5!

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 21:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Schuman Declaration

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A declaration that was fulcral to the creation of the European Coal and Steel Community  5, would put it on the same level as the Fourteen Points. It is more important than you think, 47 interwikis!

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Fourteen Points

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Inspired by a book that I can't remember by Kant, the Fourteen Points of Woodrow Wilson dictated the domestic and external policy of the United States and of many other countries! It is famous for proposing the creation of the League of Nations  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 03:09, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I think this is pretty important. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Hadn't heard of it myself but yeah it seems important enough. On a bit of a tangent, should Triple Entente and Triple Alliance (1882) be listed? J947 ‡ edits 07:09, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Deutsche Mark

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The currency that Euro  4 was largely bassed on. It was the official currency of West Germany  5 and Germany  3

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 13:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'm not convinced any individual historic currencies are vital. Gold standard  5 or Special drawing rights  5 should be added, but not Deutsche mark. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Doesn't seem vital even historically Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Rumor and Gossip

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Two major forms of Communication  2.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:33, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. V5, sure. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 22:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Supporting both. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap Fraktur  5 with Blackletter

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Fraktur is just one type of Blackletter typefaces. It is by far the most famous one, but the article also mentions that the term "Fraktur" is also used to refer to the entire Blackletter group of typefaces.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Film additions

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Add Harakiri (1962 film)

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In the removal discussion for The Human Condition (film series), I noted that film/series seemed less vital than Harakiri, a film by the same director, which has a 100% ranking on Rotten Tomatoes and is the highest ranked film on Letterboxd. It's also in the TSPDT top 1000.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 00:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Fantasia (1940 film)

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5-0. Makkool (talk) 08:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Considered a landmark in animated film, and one that continues to have a long-lasting legacy.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. I mentioned in the now-archived thread to remove Wall-E that my top candidate for replacing it was Fantasia (1940 film) but it didn't get much traction. Hopefully, there is more support this time around. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Disney animated films I feel are slightly underrepresented considering their enduring worldwide popularity, and I'd consider this (alongside Pinocchio) more vital than Beauty and the Beast (1991 film)  5.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Absolutely. λ NegativeMP1 17:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nom. CopiousAmountofCannons (talk) 01:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Nanook of the North

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Hugely influential on the documentary film as a format, "It was the first feature-length documentary to achieve commercial success, proving the financial viability of the genre and inspiring many films to come".

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Proved that documentaries could make money and was among the first films chosen for preservation by Congress. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'm apt to oppose films that people who aren't extreme cinephiles typically haven't heard of. Also, I feel like, in general, it requires a much higher standard of notability to include documentaries on this list as documentaries are much less influential in the cultural zeitgeist than regular movies. If we are really looking to add another documentary, I would rather add Bowling for Columbine which has much more of a cultural legacy, is way more well-known, has won more awards (though this is less impressive when compared to a movie from 1922), and is regularly considered one of the greatest documentaries of all time. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would support adding Bowling for Columbine as well. Iostn (talk) 23:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Rome, Open City

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"Open City is considered one of the most important and representative works of Italian neorealism  5, and an important stepping stone for Italian filmmaking as a whole."

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Thi (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We already have a better, much more famous representative for Italian neorealism with Bicycle Thieves  4. We probably don't need 2. And even with the expanded quota, our film section is so small that we should probably only be listing unambiguous classics or widely-known films. It doesn't even have a Legacy section. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am explicitly proposing films because I think the section is disproprtionately small compared to video games (which is at ~100), when films have been around for much longer (1890s vs 1970s) and have built up much more cultural influence over time. Besides, Bicycle Thieves is listed a tier above this already. Iostn (talk) 18:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree that films should have more representation especially when compared to video games (I have a track record of complaining about how many video game articles we have), I just don't think this is anywhere close to being one of the best candidates. Aurangzebra (talk) 18:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Get Out

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Maybe recent(ist), but this has already risen as one of the most highly-regarded films of the 21st century, and has had an impact on "conscious" trends in film in recent years.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We're over quota in Level 5. While we are still adding broadly relevant concepts like Voting  5, I can't support adding one-off films like this one. starship.paint 13:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
    VA5 is currently below quota, its only has 49,958 as of the latest update. Iostn (talk) 15:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But Arts is over-quota at 3,322/3,300. Currently specific films are at 199, and customarily we had at the number of vital films at 200. I would support your suggestions, if paired with films to swap. Makkool (talk) 16:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was actually personally in favour of a higher quota for films, given we had one of 105 for video games which is a much more recent medium and therefore one with less titles that are as culturally influential, but I can propose some other removals from Arts. Iostn (talk) 19:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Jumping into this quite late but I would support removing video games in favor of adding more movies. I think our massive list of video game articles reflects the demographics of VA5 voters as opposed to all Wikipedia users whereas movies are a more global phenomenon. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Iostn:, I stand corrected, I did not know about the recent update. Still, I agree with Makkool. starship.paint 08:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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Add Pather Panchali

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One of the most important films in the history of Indian cinema, which is also the largest in the world in terms of number of films produced.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 22:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Thi (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. As far as I'm aware, we don't list a single Indian movie. We definitely should have one and this is probably the best candidate since Satyajit Ray  4 has been highly influential in global cinema. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is The Apu Trilogy  4 at least.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 20:19, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh completely missed that. As the most famous movie in that trilogy, I'll still support this proposal. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And there's Sholay  5 and Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge  5 too. Makkool (talk) 20:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Shrek  5

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PASSED
Added 5–0. Makkool (talk) 17:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Arguably the biggest animated film of the 2000s, became a lasting cultural phenomenon and turned DreamWorks into one of the biggest animated film studios. Also note it being the first 21st century animated film in the National Film Registry.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Very culturally influential, for better or worse.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Undoubtedly important. λ NegativeMP1 04:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. All of our Western animated films are from Disney or Pixar. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Supporting just a few hours after the release date of Shrek 5 was announced. I think that may just help. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Koyaanisqatsi

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For the "art film" subsection, this is one of the most well-known non-narrative essay films of its kind, is highly-acclaimed and also went on to influence works such as Baraka (film). Also highly notable for its score by Philip Glass  4, from the music section; "The music has become so popular that the Philip Glass Ensemble has toured the world, playing the music for Koyaanisqatsi live in front of the movie screen".

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Close Encounters of the Third Kind

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Another one of the most influential science fiction films of all time.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Ring (film)

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Big landmark in the overseas influence of Japanese horror cinema, and can be considered a big part of the resurgence of Japanese pop cultural influence in the 1990s and early 2000s.

Support
  1. Nom Iostn (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Emerging adulthood and early adulthood

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It’s a subtopic of young adulthood. Interstellarity (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Early childhood

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Important state of like between toddlerhood and middle childhood. Interstellarity (talk) 11:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 11:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Reinsurance

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A major part of the insurance industry. Place under Insurance.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Still hard to believe Warranty  5 wasn't even V5 a year ago. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 23:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Major branch of financial services with massive companies. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add economics subfields

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Add Behavioral economics

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48 interwikis, high-importance in economics and business Wikiprojects. The ideas presented by the research in this subfield have been used by governments (see the article for nudge theory) and corporations and many famous VA5 economists such as Daniel Kahneman  5 and Richard Thaler  5 have won Nobel Prizes in Economics for their contributions to the field. Also in the public conscious due to being the subject of many chart-topping pop science books such as Thinking Fast and Slow.

Support
  1. As nominator. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint 03:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
  5. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 22:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 14:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Mechanism design

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Only 19 interwikis but a critical subfield of economics. It is the study of finding a way to structure an event such that the outcome optimizes a desired social choice function. This is applied to market design (such as spectrum auctions or student matching programs like the National Resident Matching Program), politics (with voting theory), and even computer networking. Maybe not that well-known outside economics but influential enough in everyday life to warrant a spot.

Support
  1. As nominator. Aurangzebra (talk) 06:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Massively multiplayer online game  5 and Online game  5

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Redundant, as we already list Multiplayer video game  5 and Massively multiplayer online role-playing game  5.

Support both
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose both
  1. Would much rather remove said articles they would be redundant to or History of online games. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 16:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Online game is distinct enough from multiplayer game IMO, since local multiplayer has existed for much longer and remains popular, and MMORPG should be removed before MMO. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mixed
Discuss
  1. I personally would have chosen to remove {[VA link|Massively multiplayer online role-playing game}}, since that would have been covered enough in Massively multiplayer online game  5. λ NegativeMP1 18:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. I chose to keep MMORPG, because that is overwhelmingly the most common type of MMOG. We list World of Warcraft  5, but I don't think we have any vital non-rpg MMOGs. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove American Slavery As It Is  5

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Not a particularly influential abolitionist text.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 04:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom., article has low page views.Makkool (talk) 09:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 22:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Actually, the article said that it influenced several works, including Uncle Tom's Cabin  4, continued having influence into the 21st century, and helped recruit people for the abolitionist movement. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Shanghai Library

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Important library that's missing. May support swap with Boston Public Library which is nominated above. Interstellarity (talk) 00:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swap with BPL Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 17:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support swap Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Supporting swap with BPL. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion
  1. I'd support a swap, but not a straight addition. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Tabletop game

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Parent topic to Board game and Card game. Interstellarity (talk) 23:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom., we need the parent topic too Makkool (talk) 18:27, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Warner Bros.  5 and Paramount Pictures  5

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PASSED
Both passed 7–0. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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We recently listed Namco  5 and Sega  5 as vital articles, and while those listings are definitely warranted, that places video games as having equal representation in Film, television, video game, and music production as film which are far more widespread and long-lasting than video games. To compensate, I propose the addition of the two American Major film studios that aren't already listed: Warner Bros.  5 and Paramount Pictures  5.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 06:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support both as the guy who tried nominating Paramount Pictures.SailorGardevoir (talk) 08:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Supporting both. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Putting a note here I just now noticed the earlier nomination for Paramount Pictures to get added. Not going to change this since its got more than Paramount Pictures, though. λ NegativeMP1 18:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Closed and archived that. starship.paint 05:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
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Add Cash flow

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A very important concept in accounting and finance. Place under Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Society and social sciences/Politics and economics#Accounting. It doesn't make sense for us to list Cash flow statement  5 but not Cash flow.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Sure. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Swap Cost-of-production theory of value  5 with Value (economics)

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The former derives from the Labour theory of value, a more foundational theory, employed in Classical economics  5 and Political economy  5, not to mention in Marxism  4. The latter provides an overview of theories of value.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint 15:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Obvious. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Project

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An essential concept in the task management of organizations. The Vital Articles project is an example of this.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint 15:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Wikipedia itself is one big project. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Supporting. How wasn't this already added? JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Bōsōzoku  5

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A stretch to list them under organized crime. We could move them to subcultures but their numbers have dwindled in past decades.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint 07:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 22:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I don't think being smaller numbers in than they used to be is necessarily a good reason for removal. Iostn (talk) 07:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Competition climbing

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Competition climbing is now a full Olympic sport and we have lots of BLPs that are Category:Competition climbers including other sub-articles for competition climbing. Bouldering  5 is one of the three disciplines of competition climbing, and is already VA5. Sport climbing  5 is another one of the three disciplines of competition climbing, and is also VA5. We should probably also have Speed climbing, the third discipline of competition climbing, at VA5 as well, but let us try to get competition climbing at VA5 first. Aszx5000 (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 21:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. (a necessary umbrella term) Makkool (talk) 11:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. The specific forms of climbing might be vital, but the concept, not sport, of competition climbing is not. The Blue Rider 11:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Indigenous education

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Surprised this hasn't already been made vital. What is supposed to be an article regarding a worldwide view of education related to indigenous topics, is in dire need of improvement and recognition; the topic is becoming increasingly relevant as indigenous history becomes more widely taught.

Support
  1. as nom. B3251 (talk) 01:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I think this is a rare case where a subject being "niche" is why it should be listed. Many people didn't teach it (if not fought to destroy the mere concept of people learning about those people) for centuries and that's why it's "niche", which isn't a good thing. The subject is objectively important enough for V5. λ NegativeMP1 13:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Whether or not it is a bad thing being niche, it doesn't invalidate that it has close to zero impact on society. The Blue Rider 13:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The teaching of indigenous history/topics/culture absolutely has an impact on society as it is essential to the preservation of knowledge about [[Indigenous peoples]] worldwide. Retaining the understanding of human culture and history throughout most of the world prior to colonization is one of the largest reasons why we know about human culture in parts of the world that eventually were colonized today. Indigenous topics are quite underrepresented in Vital Articles. B3251(talk) 20:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Niche type of education. The Blue Rider 01:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Public finance

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The management of government revenue, expenditures, and debt is a core area of government. Despite its name, this should squarely go into the State structure and administration section.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. In many large countries, public finance is almost half the economy. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Business administration

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The article could use some work but this is one of the most popular college majors globally. Paraphrasing from the Master of Business Administration  5 article, areas of business administration include accounting, applied statistics, human resources, business communication, business ethics, business law, strategic management, business strategy, finance, managerial economics, management, entrepreneurship, marketing, supply-chain management, and operations management in a manner most relevant to management analysis and strategy.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Election fraud

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A common feature of authoritarian regimes. Even accusations of fraud can have wide-ranging political, social, and legal effects.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint. 02:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
  3. Per nom. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. As an American, I can confirm the second sentence of the nomination. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add International Committee of the Red Cross

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A part of International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement  3. The ICRC is a humanitarian organization with a significant impact to human rights globally and a three-time Nobel prize laureate. The oldest and most honored organization in the Red Cross.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Economic systems

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Add Economic system

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As an umbrella term for Market economy  5 (and possibly others).

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Planned economy

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Historically used economic system in the socialist states. To be paired with Market economy  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Mixed economy

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Blending of elements from planned and market economies. In use today in many parts of the world, like the Nordic model or China's socialist market economy.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Arguably every country can be classified as such. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Achievement (video games)  5

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Yes, this is a pretty widespread video game subject, but its also fringe enough to fall on the lines of trivia. Is the idea of an achievement necessary to an encyclopedic definition of video games?

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove First-person (video games)  5

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Doesn't seem necessary when we list the more broad Virtual camera system  5.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:52, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Makkool (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose because of what Quicole said. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Seven Nation Army

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This song was added without consensus by @TDKR Chicago 101:, before obviously being reverted, so I'm giving it a fair discussion. In my opinion, while this is a semi-important work, I'm not sure if it's really "vital" worthy, and there's songs/albums I'd list before it (I still think one Taylor Swift  4 album and Never Gonna Give You Up  5 could be added), and I'm only creating this discussion as to give the proposal a fair chance.

Support
Oppose
  1. Not in Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time Makkool (talk) 15:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It technically is, granted it's at 36th. λ NegativeMP1 16:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, okay. I was going by a very cursory search. Didn't try to mislead anyone else, just tried to convince myself for my intuition to not include this. #36 is still a low enough to keep opposing. Makkool (talk) 18:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. As the nom. λ NegativeMP1 12:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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Various Culture removals

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Remove Bokmål  5 and Nynorsk  5

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Official written standards of the Norwegian language. Norwegian is only V5, spoken by 4-5 million people, and the general article explains both of them in detail.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Nauruan language  5

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Unlike other Austronesian languages, this one is entirely concentrated in the Island of Nauru. By far the least spoken language from this group we list. It has less than 10,000 speakers.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Business English

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PASSED
Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 12:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sparse article. I could wager this type of education is on the decline as countries increasingly have a larger pool of people who learn English through media, school, etc.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. As someone who had business english classes I am surprising by the little amount of interwikis, I thought it was a more widespread type of education. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Remove Lifestyle journalism  5 and Radical media  5

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Minor areas/concepts in journalism and media. Low pageviews and interwikis suggest these are not frequently used.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Fyi we also list Alternative media  5 which covers similar ground to radical media Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove One Man's Family  5 and People Are Funny  5

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Long-running, but frankly these shows appear to be more or less forgotten, at least compared to the others we list.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove International Broadcasting Convention  5

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Trade show for the TV industry. The article does not assert much vitality. 2 intewikis

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove CSI (franchise)  5

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It’s proven a little hard to reduce the television section, even though it’s been voiced that we have too many shows, so this is my only proposal here. We already have CSI: Crime Scene Investigation  5, which spawned the franchise.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 11:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove List of fashion magazines and List of humor magazines

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PASSED
Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 12:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I suppose it’s not impossible to turn these into comprehensive articles, but I agree that most list articles are too informal for a VA.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Lists don't have a place in the Wikipedai since they can't even be brought to GA status. The Blue Rider 11:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Remove Better Homes and Gardens (magazine)  5

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Possibly included because the article states its “the fourth most widely circulated magazine in the United States”. Nowadays it’s the fifth, and magazines 2-4 don’t even have articles, let alone are VAs.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Human skull symbolism  5

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This one stood out for me because it’s the only “symbolism of x” we have. Too sparse for a VA.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap Writers Guild of America, East  5 and Writers Guild of America West  5 with Writers Guild of America

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There are meaningful differences between them, but two slots are excessive. We list only six individual labor unions in the politics and economics section, though I would agree we should have more.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 01:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. Two may seem excessive, but afaict they were never a single organization and the umbrella article as such is sparse. In any case, it should be moved with the other labour unions.

Remove Clavier-Übung III  5

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We got a lot of Bach on here. I think we can get rid of one or two works Like this one, which only has two interwikis.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 04:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:22, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. Not entirely related to the nomination, but why do we use "X should be removed because it only has Y interwikis!" as a removal rationale? I see the reason why we use it, since it theoretically suggests a lack of worldwide influence, but it also seems to have some overlap with the fact that, if I recall correctly, redlinks as vital articles is technically allowed. That rules existence seems to directly contradict these types of rationales by implying a subject can be important regardless of whether or not a Wikipedia has it. λ NegativeMP1 02:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think that rule should probably be removed. SailorGardevoir (talk) 04:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Red (Taylor Swift album)

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When I nominated 1989 for V5 status (which I withdrew after it got no responses after a week), I stated that if a Taylor Swift  4 album were to be added, it had to be either that one or Red. I think that nearly all subjects at Vital 4 should have at least one subtopic at Vital 5, and that includes Taylor. So I'll give nominating this one a shot.

Backstory aside, this album received equal or higher critical acclaim than 1989, and appeared on several "best albums of the 2010's" lists with higher average placements than 1989 (its also been considered one of the most important albums of the decade). Out of her original six albums, Red has the highest rating on Metacritic, and her 2021 re-recording of the album is her highest rated work overall (91/100). It's her highest placed album on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time at 99 (for context, 1989 was 383). It's also her first album with songs that reached #1 on charts and is believed to have inspired a generation of indie artists. I'd say this is right on the mark for a V5 album, maybe even more than 1989?

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 05:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 49p (talk) 01:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support for now; we don't list enough entries under "pop" relative to "rock" imo Iostn (talk) 12:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Too recent. We lack many albums from female artist that have "greatest album of all time" status, like Hounds of Love. Makkool (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, I'd support the addition of those as well if one were to make the proposals. λ NegativeMP1 17:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Political ideologies cleanup

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Remove Corporate capitalism

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PASSED
Removed 4-0 Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This doesn't even really refer to an ideology as much as it is simply a phrase used to refer to the practices of large companies, or a state where large companies exist under capitalism - which is just capitalism, most of the time.

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 14:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Kind of crazy that this one is currently a VA. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Remove Black conservatism

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PASSED
Removed 4-0 Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A weirdly niche and specific concept to list at VA5, definitely not one of the fundamental political ideologies to list here.

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 14:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Remove Cultural conservatism  5

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Very similar to Social conservatism  5, which is also listed here and is a more commonly-used term.

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 14:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Market fundamentalism

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REDUNDANT
Already nominated for removal here.

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More of a derogatory term for Economic liberalism  5 or Neoliberalism  5 than a distinct ideology.

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Ultranationalism

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Alas, very influential as a political phenomenon, both historically and currently, across the world.

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 06:12, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Separatism

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Overlaps with Secession  5, but the beliefs driving it are also very important to discuss in their own right

Support
  1. Nom. Iostn (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 14:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)4[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Non-theism cleanup

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Remove Secularism in France  5

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We don't list articles on secularism in other countries.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. If there's only country in the world where a "Secularism in x" article makes sense, it is France. The concept of laïcité has been extremely pervasive in the French identity ever since the Enlightenment and is responsible for several uniquely French political undercurrents and incidents such as the burqa ban. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Separation of church and state in the United States  5

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We don't list articles on the separation of church and state in other countries.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Weak oppose. Arguably the first country to ever separate religion from the state and for that reason, it is a fundamentally core part of the American political fabric and probably warrants a VA5 slot. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Swap Civil naming ceremony  5 with Naming ceremony

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Naming ceremony covers both religious and secular types.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Secular coming-of-age ceremony  5

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A niche and specific concept to list at VA5, plus it's covered by Coming of age  5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:50, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Army men  5

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Has few interwikis (only 8) and lacks the historicity or ubiquity of Toy soldier, which is unlisted pbp 17:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 17:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. λ NegativeMP1 17:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support swap with the more general Toy soldier. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support swap with toy soldier or Tin soldier. Makkool (talk) 05:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Toys don't have a lot of interwikis even if they are pretty famous. Even after Piotrus proposals we are still underrepresented in toys; we have space for army man and toy solider, support addition the latter. The Blue Rider 03:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Mingrelians

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Ethnic group and language of the Caucuses, pop ~400,000

Support
  1. pbp 18:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. There are far larger ethnic groups that are unlisted, and Culture is already highly over quota. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion
  1. Could you explain more why you would consider it a vital article? We are over-quota in the Culture section, so I would support a swap instead of a straight add. Makassar people has the lowest view-count of all peoples we list, which could be one contender. Makkool (talk) 05:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Stayin' Alive

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PASSED
Added 4-0, any proposals to swap it out with the soundtrack album didn't gain enough support and this has gone a month without any new votes. λ NegativeMP1 06:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I get that we already have Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack)  5, but this is easily the first disco song most people will name.

Support
  1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 07:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swap with Saturday Night Fever (soundtrack)  5. The song is far more vital than the soundtrack album. Makkool (talk) 08:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have to disagree with the idea of swapping this out with the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack. The soundtrack is one of the best-selling albums of all time (we're talking an estimate of 40 million units worldwide), and both it and the film are responsible for bringing disco to the mainstream. SailorGardevoir (talk) 09:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We also list Saturday Night Fever  5 the movie. And three articles for any cultural work is too much in my opinion. I still think the soundtrack album is the least vital for these three. Makkool (talk) 11:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support add, no opinion on swapping. λ NegativeMP1 16:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support add, oppose swap per reasons above. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Quinceañera

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A long lasting, widespread tradition in families from Spanish speaking countries and regions that seems to be getting more popular each year. Seems to be a fair choice for V5. Would go in "Festivals, holidays, and observances."

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 18:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove WKRP in Cincinnati

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PASSED
Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 12:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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We have a lot of American TV shows, but it was extremely difficult to find one to remove. I ended up settling on this one. It only won two awards, had little influence on pop culture, and it only has seven interwikis. It seems to only be on the list due to high ratings received during its original run. This spot would be much better used by a show like Stargate, which is much more popular and influential, or a show like Soul Train which had a lasting impact on something.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Note: I would be fine with a swap with Soul Train here, and I nominated Stargate below. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom. Would support a swap with Soul Train too. Makkool (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Swap with Soul Train. SailorGardevoir (talk) 21:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
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Add Stargate

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The show that started the franchise was proposed by Piotrus a while back, but was unsuccessful. However, I think we should revisit adding the franchise. Not including this franchise on the list with many of the things we do list is a major oversight. Three shows in the franchise have an awards list separate from the main article, the franchise injected a billion dollars into the British Columbian economy (not every day a media franchise has a major economic impact), and we even have a separate article on the Stargate fandom! 34 interwikis with the first film having 46 and SG-1 having 48, rated High-Importance by WikiProject Television, WikiProject Media Franchises, and WikiProject Science Fiction.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Social studies

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PASSED
Added 5–0. Makkool (talk) 16:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Widely taught in schools. Interstellarity (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. How did we forget this! Makkool (talk) 06:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Bad (album)  5

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Added 4–1. Makkool (talk) 09:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It feels bizarre that we list at least six albums from The Beatles  3, but only one from Michael Jackson  3. He is the most important pop artist of all time, like how the Beatles is the most important rock band of all time, and so the two should be a bit more equal (especially since they're both V3). Also, pop could use a bit more representation in comparison to rock. So I'm nominating Bad, Jackson's second most popular and important album, to level it out a little bit more. Sure, its not as important as Thriller (album)  4, but this V5 and not V4 and I'd argue it's more important than listing Billie Jean  5 as an individual song, and its still influential.

On a side note, surely we could reduce albums from the Beatles to 3 or 4 to prevent over-representation right? Right now they're the modern artist/band with the most listed albums. Something separate to discuss.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 04:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Also in favor of Off the Wall and "I Want You Back".SailorGardevoir (talk) 09:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Also support Off the Wall. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Bad was popular, but "Off the Wall" was more influential. "writers have hailed it [Off the Wall] a landmark release of the disco era and, along with his next album Thriller (1982), among the greatest albums in history" Makkool (talk) 06:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll make a separate nomination for Off the Wall another date then, I feel like we can have both. λ NegativeMP1 06:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Papers, Please

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Not added 4–3. Makkool (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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We currently have no listed examples of an Indie game  5 (not counting the recent proposal of adding Stardew Valley) or one of Video games as an art form. Papers, Please is a game that ticks both boxes. And if this helps, it is considered one the best video games ever made and is one of the more successful indie games in terms of sales numbers (5 million units, compared to the recently removed Undertale's 1 million). Sure, it's not as well known as some other indie games and could be considered too recent, but influence ≠ popularity here and I think its proven itself worthy of being included for the sake of representation.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 01:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Weak support; one could count Minecraft as an indie game (and the most important one at that) prior to Microsoft's acquisition. Needless to say, there's room for 2-3 indie games at V5, and I would prefer this over Stardew Valley. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 02:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support adding to represent video games as art Makkool (talk) 12:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. 49p (talk) 18:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Popular, but more broadly, still too niche. Also not really convinced of its broader influence. Iostn (talk) 00:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. If we need to list an example of an indie game, shouldn't it be something more heavily influential like Undertale, Terraria or Touhou Project? 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    First of all, this nomination is also based on representation of video games as an art form and not exclusively indie representation. I think we have room for one or two more indie games besides this one. Second of all, Undertale was removed in the past by an overwhelming consensus of 8-1, Terraria just sold a lot of units (though I wouldn't be opposed to it necessarily since it's the best selling indie game), and Touhou Projects main games in the series have only sold double digit units with little global impact and a cult community. A game that would actually be worthy of addition based on "influence" would be a game like Hotline Miami or Braid (video game), the former of which I may nominate some day. λ NegativeMP1 01:52, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think Stardew Valley should be listed. I'm considering renominating it in the near future without the horrible swap choice I made. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I don't think we need special consideration to "Indie" games at all. An influential video game will stand out regardless of the developer. Stardew Valley for example is a very popular game that happens to have an indie developer. What makes it vital is its popularity, not who made it.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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BioShock  5 seems to be considered a example of games as an art form? Kevinishere15 (talk) 02:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Papers, Please used to be listed but was a casualty when the specific games list was purged down from 135+ entries. It was an imperfect (but still mostly good) process, some entries may be worth re-adding. Currently undecided on this one.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Head of government

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Should be level 4 alongside head of state. Just as important as that article. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Parliamentary system

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A common type of government found throughout the world. Interstellarity (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:10, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Glaring omission; support. The Blue Rider 16:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Presidential system

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A common type of government found throughout the world. Interstellarity (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:11, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Glaring omission; support. The Blue Rider 16:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Obvious Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discussion

Add Semi-presidential republic

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Another common type of government, which divides the powers between the president, prime-minister and a cabinet. The Blue Rider 16:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 17:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Good proposal. Interstellarity (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Indictment and Arraignment

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These two terms are important in the legal system. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add World Trade Center (2001–present) and/or One World Trade Center

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These seem to be better additions than my nomination for the plot of land. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Too recent to assess their vitality in architecture. Makkool (talk) 08:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Never Gonna Give You Up  5

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Added 4-1. Also soon to make a separate proposal for adding Practical joke. λ NegativeMP1 06:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The song is not only vital for being recognizable, but also for being an example of an Internet meme  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I feel like you could argue that this is the most widely recognizable pop song not on this list or in an album on this list, so even taking out the fact it'd primarily represent internet meme culture this song still makes a case for itself. As for whether or not Rickrolling itself is more vital, I'm personally choosing the song since I believe its popular enough even not as a meme, but I'm also not opposed to having Rickrolling itself only. λ NegativeMP1 02:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. I'd argue this one of the 3 most popular modern music songs of all time (alongside Bohemian Rhapsody  5 and We Will Rock You, with Billie Jean  5 extremely close behind). JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 03:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Support Rickrolling instead. Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

@NegativeMP1: You may be interested in this proposal. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would Rickrolling make more sense? Is the meme more vital than the actual song? Makkool (talk) 08:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think Rickrolling makes more sense but I don't feel strongly about it. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think Practical joke should be added first instead of Rickrolling.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 16:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was more thinking of it as a subtopic of Internet meme  5. Practical joke would be a good idea to add too. Makkool (talk) 08:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Rescue

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To Social studies/Society, under Emergency service -3df (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. 3df (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I think Search and rescue  5 covers this topic adequately, but I am open to be persuaded. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Another batch of visual arts article removals

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Swap Hardstone carving  5 with Trompe-l'œil

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Replacing a minor form of art with another well known art concept.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Figure painting  5

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Any painting depicting the human figure. Only four interwikis and low view count. Could this be too vague concept to be vital?

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Sand art and play  5 or move to Everyday life

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Sand art and playing with sand are in the same article. Sand art is not vital, but making sand castles could be. Should we remove it or move under Play (activity)  3?

Support
  1. Support remove as nom. Makkool (talk) 22:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose removal sand art is a tad niche but still somewhat widespread, plus the article including playing with sand I think it passes the threshold for vitality. The Blue Rider 11:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Alternative proposal: Remove Multiplayer video game  5 and Massively multiplayer online role-playing game  5

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As my previous proposal didn't get traction, and one editor expressed interest in removing these articles instead, I decided to open this alternative proposal. I still haven't changed my own stance to support, but I'd like to have this up for discussion.

Remove Multiplayer video game

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FAILED
Not removed 0-4. Makkool (talk) 17:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
Oppose
  1. More vital than Online game  5, if we decide to keep only one. Makkool (talk) 11:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Definitely not. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:36, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Multiplayer has been a part of video games since Pong  5 and the earliest video game consoles that were exclusively that game. If we could only list 50 video game related articles period in a hypothetical scenario, this should still be in that 50. λ NegativeMP1 05:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Strong oppose removal, one of the most important game concepts. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:37, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove MMORPG

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Support
  1. Too specific, MMORPG is covered by listing MMO and RPG in my opinion. World of Warcraft is also an MMO, not just an MMORPG. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Because we list World of Warcraft  5 Makkool (talk) 11:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per Makkool, despite my thoughts that led to this proposal in the first place (sorry). I feel like we're at the point where there are no more video game concepts we can remove (excluding the currently nominated ones), as we've gotten it down to a decent number and now its down to trying to find replacements that are more worthy of "vitality". λ NegativeMP1 05:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Possible Anglo-American bias in Law

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Remove Fundamental Laws of England

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Low page views and zero interwikis suggest this is not a favored classification. The treatise by William Blackstone, from which this originates, looks more influential.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Remove, and we should add the book it came from. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove High Court of Justice  5

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“Together with the Court of Appeal and the Crown Court, are the Senior Courts of England and Wales” Covered by Courts of England and Wales  5

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I would support removing Supreme Court of Canada  5 as well and swap it for, IDK, maybe Supreme People's Court. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Court of Session

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PASSED
Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Similar to the above. Supreme Civil Court of Scotland. It has some interesting faculties but is technically subject to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove United States Tax Court

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PASSED
Removed 5-0. Makkool (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Judicial body that resolves disputes arising from actions or interpretations by the Internal Revenue Service. Just two interwikis. I would list the IRS first.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swap with IRS Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Swap with IRS, which should definitely be listed first. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Swap with IRS. Kevinishere15 (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Swap with IRS. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Lists of legislation

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suffers from the problems of most list articles: sparse, informal, not comprehensive.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Not only is it a list, it is a list of lists. There is no good reason to list it. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Inns of Chancery and King's Inns

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Removed 4-0. Makkool (talk) 10:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The former played a role in fostering legal education and professional standards but was not necessarily more important than similar organizations from other countries. Ditto for the latter. Low page views and interwikis as well.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 08:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Remove Citizens United v. FEC  5

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If I am following correctly, this started because a conservative nonprofit wanted to air a documentary critical of Hillary Clinton during the 2008 U.S. election cycle. It led to some changes in campaign finance law and I can believe it was controversial, but I don’t see how this stands out compared to other landmark decisions by the United States Supreme Court.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 16:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Recent, but with overwhelming and controversial influence on the current state of affairs in US politics 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
  • @Tabu Makiadi: I haven't made up my mind as to whether we should list this yet, but I am leaning towards oppose. The influence of this ruling was the creation of the modern system of Super PACs that can rake in millions of dollars to spend on a candidate, and allow lobbyists to circumvent typical spending limits. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Baby Shark

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Not added 4–3. Makkool (talk) 18:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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One of the most well-known songs of all time, with over 14 billion views on YouTube. This song has had a large influence on popular culture, and nearly everybody has heard of it.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. It might be a bit reccent, but this is the most viewed YouTube video of all time, by a significant margin (over 6 billion views!). It would also basically represent the "new age" of childrens music that has only become more prominent with each passing year. Hell, it would represent childrens music in general on this list, since I believe the only childrens song we list at present is Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star  5. λ NegativeMP1 02:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Weak support due to its cultural impact and popularity, but only if at least one of Old MacDonald or The Wheels on the Bus are added as well. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Unconditional support, a song we didn't grow up with isn't automatically less important than the ones we had decades ago. Media based on Baby Shark is currently redefining the whole early childhood entertainment industry and spawning a Korean megacharacter. There are certainly English-language nursery rhymes that should be listed as well, and Wikipedia as a whole is doing an unusually poor job with representing children's entertainment (that is a red link at the time of writing). 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. I'd add "Old MacDonald Had a Farm" rather than this. Makkool (talk) 20:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Makkool: I would support adding that song if you proposed it. Is there any reason you are opposed to adding Baby Shark? It is very well-known. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Mostly because we don't really have the space for it. We are over-quota in the Arts section. To me, "Baby Shark"'s popularity seems like a fad. Besides, it seems to be only well-known in the English speaking world. Don't know if it's sung in daycare centers and schools in other parts of the world. At least, the article doesn't mention any versions in other languages. Makkool (talk) 22:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have proposed a removal from the same section below, just so you know. Does that help change your opinion? QuicoleJR (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Too recent to evaluate its long-term impact. The Blue Rider 14:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per @The Blue Rider:.GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 17:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral


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Add Ramones (album)

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Not only critically acclaimed, it’s also extremely influential to Punk rock  4.

Support
  1. 49p (talk) 06:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. λ NegativeMP1 06:25, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Illuminati

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One of, if not, THE most culturally significant Conspiracy theory  4 / Secret society  4 subtopic or example. Founded by Adam Weishaupt  5. Also has an entire article dedicated to it in popular culture.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 22:54, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 03:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Off the Wall  5

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Added 4-1. Makkool (talk) 09:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Per my earlier nomination of adding Bad (album)  5, for as impactful and important Michael Jackson  3 was to pop music, he should have more listed works than Thriller (album)  4 and one song from it (Billie Jean  5) since he has had way more influence beyond that album. Per the article for Off the Wall, "In retrospect, writers have hailed it a landmark release of the disco era and, along with his next album Thriller (1982), among the greatest albums in history." Add this one and Bad, and Michael Jackson and his works should be adequately covered here.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 23:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Kevinishere15 (talk) 23:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. This rather than Bad Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Arts is already over-quota, and I would definitely list Bad over this Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Blue Moon of Kentucky  5

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Since Arts is over quota and I've nominated/supported many additions to an over-quota section lately, I want to nominate something for removal to compensate, and I think this is one that can go.

The very article for Country music  4 itself states in its opening paragraph that country music around the time of this songs creation was only popular in specific areas of the United States, and this song didn't help establish the genre or expand it out of the South. I believe that this song has the least amount of interwikis for a song at V5 not performed by a V4 or above artist (11), solidifying this songs lack of wide cultural influence on its own alongside the lack of any legacy to speak of. And finally, as hinted at earlier, its creator Bill Monroe  5 is only a V5 artist. I could maybe see a rationale for including it for representation of the genre, but even then there's other songs I would list before this one and I think the other four country songs listed are basically perfect. Maybe one of two more country songs (or albums) could be added later down the line if Arts is ever contained.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 23:15, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom, maybe important in its genre but its hard to justify when we already need cuts Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Did you mean to put this vote in support? λ NegativeMP1 00:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, fixed sorry Iostn (talk) 00:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose


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Remove Scarborough Fair (ballad)  5

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Seems to have only been popular in England, and even then it does not seem that popular or influential. There are plenty of songs that I would rather list, such as Baby Shark (nominated above), and the section is a bit above the quota.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Scarborough Fair is one of the most well-known examples of English folk music, and I'm not convinced on the argument of traditional folk songs being non-vital by being most influential in the place/culture where they originated, since that's the case for neaely all of them. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per above Makkool (talk) 21:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss


More business and economics concepts

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Add Market capitalization

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“Total value of a publicly traded company's outstanding common shares owned by stockholders”. There are complementary metrics, but this is the most employed measure of how "valuable" a company is. Stock indices are often weighted by market cap.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Leverage (finance)

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The use of borrowed capital for an investment, expecting the profits made to be greater than the interest payable. Part of the lifeblood of the financial industry.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Inventory

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The goods and materials a business holds for resale. Another essential concept in business.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Remote work

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Despite the pandemic recovery, an increasing proportion of people work this way now, or at least hybridly.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Depreciation

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The allocation of the cost of a tangible asset over its life. An important concept in accounting, the insurance industry, and actuarial science.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Clearly an oversight by us. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Jurisdiction

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Major concept in Law.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 00:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Basic concept Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Clearly an oversight by us. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Purchasing power parity

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This has a whopping 88 interwiki s, and ties together several ideas of economics, such as cost of living, exchange rates, GDP, transaction costs, price levels, etc.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iostn (talk) 23:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Clearly an oversight by us. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Important concept Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:22, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Habit

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We do these every day. Interstellarity (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Easy support. Another one that has surprisingly not been added yet. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:17, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 3df (talk) 01:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 22:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Educational institution

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The category of schools and libraries. Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Swap Boston Red Sox  5 with Los Angeles Dodgers

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When I first looked at the list of vital articles, I was surprised to see that the Red Sox were one of two MLB teams listed. Even I, a Red Sox fan, always thought the Dodgers and even the St. Louis Cardinals were more recognizable teams. Yeah, the Red Sox have the 2nd largest fan base in MLB, and that's probably why they're listed. They have more championships (9) than the Dodgers (7), but over half of them came before Warren G. Harding became president, whilst all of the Dodgers' titles have came since 1955. The Dodgers also have the slight edge in pageviews (https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=all-time&pages=Los_Angeles_Dodgers%7CBoston_Red_Sox) and also come from a bigger city. I feel like most people today outside of New England mainly knew the Red Sox for a curse that's been dead for 20 years, and you won't see the Chicago Cubs listed for their longer lasting and more well known curse. The point is, despite their smaller fanbase (still the 3rd most in MLB), all signs point to the Dodgers being the more recognizable team, and the one that's more deserving of a listing.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose remove Red Sox, support add Dodgers. It's worth mentioning that I've proposed adding the Dodgers before [1] and so has @TonyTheTiger: [2] and both times it failed. I do believe we have room for the Dodgers since we have removed 8 other sports teams since the last time this was proposed. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:01, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Investment fund

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Common method of performing an Investment  4.

Support
  1. As nom. B3251(talk) 23:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Profession

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Important term distinct from trade, which we already list (a redirect to Craft  5). List this in Business, although it's a subject in sociology as well (as in, which job qualifies as a profession).

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Raincoat  5

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PASSED
Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 14:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Common type of clothing we don't list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 00:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Another easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 09:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Add Single (music)  5

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PASSED
Added 5-0. λ NegativeMP1 06:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Important part of modern music, we list several. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Wow, this concept isn't vital already? λ NegativeMP1 21:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Another overlooked one. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Definitely. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss
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Remove United States trust law

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PASSED
Removed 4-0 Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This section is nearly 50 articles over the quota, and with that in mind, I don't see why this should be listed. No other articles on the trust laws of specific countries, such as British or Italian trust law, are listed, and I don't see a reason to single out the American equivalent other than it being American. The article has zero interwikis.

Support
  1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. Makkool (talk) 08:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 03:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss
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Literature adds

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Add Dresden Codex

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Most important of the four surviving Maya codeces and the most important piece of non-fiction for Mesoamerica. For a long time thought to be the oldest surviving book written in the Americas.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add First Folio

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"It is considered one of the most influential books ever published", the only reliable source for 20 of Shakespeare's plays. If we think there is too much representation for Shakespeare in the Arts section, I suggest we swap one of the individual sonnets with this.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Rodion Raskolnikov

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A famous fictional character, the protagonist of Crime and Punishment. Has more interwikis than Elizabeth Bennet  5, which we already list.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 09:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Book of Common Prayer (1662)

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The liturgical book used in Anglican/Episcopal church since 1662. The article stresses its importance in that it "has influenced the English language, with its use alongside the King James Version of the Bible contributing to an increase in literacy from the 16th to the 20th century".

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Volunteering

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This is a no-brainer. Every community has this. Interstellarity (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 02:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Another easy one. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 14:18, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Trampoline  5

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Added 4-0. Makkool (talk) 07:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Popular recreational activity. Maybe physcial exercise is the best place for it

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 20:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. This hasn't been added yet? JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Everyone knows what this is. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Rag doll

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Another easy add. From the article: "They are one of the oldest children's toys in existence"'

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 21:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Revolutionary opera, or alternatively one of the operas included in that category

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Seems to me like Western bias is the only reason this hasn't already been identified as a VA, given the large influence in Chinese society. Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:35, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Swap I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be a Soldier  5 for Bella ciao

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I Didn't Raise My Boy to Be a Soldier may have been influential at the time but now seems largely forgotten, with low pageviews and it seems largely eclipsed by other famous US protest songs such as those of the civil rights movement. Bella ciao was popularized as an Itlian WW2 partisan song and remains popular and recognized all over the world to this day. Including the former over the latter seems like a case of US-centrism.

Support
  1. As nom Iostn (talk) 20:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom Mathwriter2718 (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Swap Arsenal F.C.  5 with Inter Milan

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Inter is another team that I'm surprised hasn't already been listed, and unlike the Dodgers, I don't think they've ever been nominated. They're currently second in Serie A titles, the only team to play in every Serie A season (although Juventus FC  5 would've joined them if it wasn't for a certain scandal), and third in Italy in terms of trophies won, only 3 trophies behind second placed AC Milan  5. They've also won 3 Champions Leagues, more than Juventus. It's also not a case of recency bias, as a lot of their success has come in the 20th century. Finally, they also get more pageviews on average than both Juventus and AC Milan [3]. In order to prevent the association football section from getting too overcrowded, I nominate Arsenal for removal, as they're the only team I think could possibly be removed at this point (except MAYBE FC Porto  5). Yes, they're third in England in terms of trophies won (also having 3 more trophies than Inter), and they're quite ahead of fourth placed Chelsea, but they're closer to Chelsea and Manchester City in terms of trophies won than they are to Liverpool F.C.  5 and Manchester United F.C.  5. They also have little success in Europe, only winning one major UEFA trophy (and that competition doesn't even exist anymore). Finally, this is more of a minor gripe as well, but of course, they also haven't won the Premier League in 20 years now.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 22:12, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support addition. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support addition Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Old MacDonald Had a Farm

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As mentioned in the Baby Shark VA by Makkool. One of the most iconic children's songs/nursery rhymes ever, recognized around the world, been around for over 300 years, and an easy add in a lacking department in terms of VAs.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. It's a necessary add, as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star is currently our only traditional children's song Makkool (talk) 09:59, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Another economics and business roundup

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I promise to come up with more removal proposals soon. In the meantime, I’d say every concept here is vital, though, of course, I would like to hear what you think first.

Add Universal suffrage

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This has become so widespread that it is often the baseline for "suffrage" itself, but true universal suffrage (all adult men, women, and ethnicities), only emerged in the early 20th century and is a milestone in the history of democracy.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Common nowadays. Should we add compulsory suffrage as well? The Blue Rider 13:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Oligopoly

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Along with Perfect competition  4 and Monopoly  4, these are the three fundamental types of Competition (economics)  5.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Glaring omission. The Blue Rider 12:16, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Governance

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This is an important concept in corporate, policy, and academic environments.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Financial crisis

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The economic disruption caused by the drop in the value of financial institutions or assets. Some crises are important enough to be considered vital, for example, Great Depression  3, Great Recession  5, 1997 Asian financial crisis  5, 1998 Russian financial crisis  5, Black Monday (1987)  5, among others.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obviously. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Extremely important; financial crisis shape the world greatly. The Blue Rider 14:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Benchmarking

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The process of comparing a company’s performance metrics to industry standards or best practices.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Supporting. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Marginal cost

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Our economics coverage at this level would be incomplete without addressing the concept of marginality, which sits right at the difference between Classical economics  5 and Neoclassical economics  5. Although both marginalism and marginal utility are similar concepts, this is the more straightforward one.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Glaring omission. The Blue Rider 12:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Money laundering

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The process of concealing the origins of illegally obtained money, typically via transfers involving foreign banks or legitimate businesses.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Easy support. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:59, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add Snake (video game genre)

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Everybody knows what the snake game is and everybody has played it too; it's been around forever and has always been iconic. It technically started with the arcade game Blockade (video game), and since then, it's seen hundreds of "remakes" and re-releases just about everywhere.

Support
  1. As nominator. Would also support Blockade if more people prefer that. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Iconic. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. The article doesn't necessarily do a good job of explaining why its important, but that's an issue that can be resolved. I feel like this game has more cultural consciousness than a lot of other games on this list. λ NegativeMP1 06:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Nonogram

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Also known as picross or paint by number, a common type of puzzle that hasn't been listed. If stuff like the Sliding puzzle  5 can be listed, then so can this.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Cryptogram

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Another common puzzle type (also a type of Cryptography  3) that's not been listed yet.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
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Add Marlboro  5

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PASSED
Passed 4–0. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The most common brand of cigarettes, and a well-recognized brand across the world. 43 interwikis, top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom., we lack many vital everyday brands Makkool (talk) 21:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Easy support; we could also add Camel (cigarette) or a women's cigarrette like Virginia Slims. The Blue Rider 00:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was thinking maybe adding Camel as well (especially because it's also top-importance in WikiProject Brands), but I feel like it hasn't been as popular since the 1970s and 1980s (besides the introduction of Joe Camel, obviously). It's still popular and a viable candidate though. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 02:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 00:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Add either Paris Saint-Germain F.C. OR Olympique de Marseille

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I feel like we should have one association football team from France listed, and I feel like these are the only two options. PSG used to be a VA, but it was removed without any notice on the talk page (from what I can find, but viewing past versions of this page, I don't think it was ever created). Yes, PSG suffers from recency bias, but not all of their success has came since 2011, they still won a respectable 17 French trophies prior to the Qatar takeover (including 2 Ligue 1 titles and a UEFA Cup Winners' Cup). PSG has more trophies and Ligue 1 titles than Marseille nowadays, but Marseille does have their Champions League to their name (although PSG has also made a UCL final). So, I'm split on which one of these two to add, which is why I'm proposing both to see what the community thinks. Personally, I would rather add PSG, although as mentioned above, they do suffer a little from recency bias. I think if this and my above Arsenal-Inter Milan swap go through, the association football section would be pretty much complete (although I would still add S.L. Benfica and possibly Celtic F.C.).

Please, if you do decide to support, try and only support one of the two (although I won't care if you decide to support both), as I only want to add one of these. I just don't know which the community would prefer.

Support PSG
  1. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:25, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Marseille
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Note-taking

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Everyone knows what this is. Very common, been around forever, useful in many fields, notably education and journalism. An easy add.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 16:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vital for education at least Makkool (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Add Fanta

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We only list two specific soda brands, one at V4 and one at V5. While I get it might be harder to justify a specific soda brand for vitality over some more broad type of beverage, we can list more than two, and Fanta makes sense. It's existed for eighty years, has some historical significance related to its role as a World War II-era cooking ingredient, is the second most-popular soda brand in Africa, and in general is a globally popular drink; it's more popular in international markets than in the United States.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 17:00, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Would also support Dr. Pepper, Sprite and Mountain Dew. Kevinishere15 (talk) 00:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Might also support Dr. Pepper or Sprite. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 00:44, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Would be good to add more than this. Sprite or Dr. Pepper would be good, and I might also support Mountain Dew. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:51, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
  1. I wouldn't mind adding this, but I feel like Dr Pepper is a better choice. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 17:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How? It has half the interwikis as Fanta (it has even less than Sprite) and doesn't seem to have evidence suggesting wide-spread popularity (just because its sold in Australia or other places doesn't mean its popular there). Part of the reason I'm nominating Fanta is because of how its globally popular regardless of the region. If we chose to add a lot more sodas (e.g. 5 more) then sure, Dr Pepper would be fine, but Fanta and maybe even Sprite should come before it. λ NegativeMP1 17:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair. I actually almost said Sprite, but I switched to Dr Pepper at the last second. I was mostly going by pageviews (which DP destroys Sprite in, I know it isn't everything though [4]), and that DP is the best-selling soda in the US that's not Coke (again, Sprite is not only right behind, but the US isn't the only thing that matters). My opinion still stands on Fanta, and I would rather add Sprite. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @JpTheNotSoSuperior: I’ve never seen Dr Pepper before and rarely hear of it. I’ve seen all the rest of the drinks mentioned above. starship.paint (RUN) 00:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Catharism

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A heretical Christian movement from medieval Europe. Pretty famous events in history, and I'm surprised that it's not added yet. I think this could be listed in History, but we have other historical religions like Manichaeism  4 listed in Religion and philosophy, so I think this could go there as well.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 18:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Red Bull

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Another glaring omission. The most iconic energy drink in the world, and the most valuable soft drink that's not Pepsi or Coke. Also known for its sports divisions (like RB Leipzig and the New York Red Bulls) and it's own music division, and it has an iconic slogan (Red Bull gives you wings). 56 interwikis and top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Prominent global brand Makkool (talk) 15:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per above and connected to Red Bull Racing in Formula One as well. starship.paint (RUN) 00:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Important energy drink and sports brand. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 11:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Much more than just an energy drink. The Blue Rider 19:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Exchange (organized market)

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We currently list Stock exchange  4 and Futures exchange  5, but we lack the general concept. This could be added as an umbrella topic for the latter two.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 15:45, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Flow (psychology)

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We list Positive psychology  5, but not one of its most popular theories. Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi  5, who introduced flow theory is also already V5.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 17:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral
Discuss

Another business and economics roundup, Part 2

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Add Saving

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Income that is set aside for future use, and is typically held for contingencies. At the macroeconomic level, the level of savings is largely equated with Investment  4.

Support
  1. As nominator. To economics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Basic economic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Fiat money

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Currency that is not backed by a physical commodity, but is established as legal tender by the government. Basically, after the end of the Bretton Woods system  5, every national currency has worked this way.

Support
  1. As nominator. To money. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Recession

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The decline in activity across the economy lasting more than a few periods, visible in changes in GDP, income, employment, and production.

Support
  1. As nominator. To economics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. ...What!? We missed this one? I also noticed we don't even list Economic depression, so there is not an exclusion-due-to-overlap excuse in that regard.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Of course. Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Obvious addition. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Foreign exchange reserves

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Assets held by a central bank in foreign currencies. Used to back liabilities and monetary policy, such as managing exchange rates. An important marker of a country's stability.

Support
  1. As nominator. To money. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Credit rating

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Creditworthiness of a borrower, typically a government or corporation. Issued by credit rating agencies, (The "Big Three") which are quite powerful in their own right.

Support
  1. As nominator. To banking and financing. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Tata Group

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Founded by Jamshedji Tata  4, it is India’s largest business conglomerate and was the fourth-largest private employer in the world in 2022.

Support
  1. As nominator. To companies. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 05:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Russian Bandy Super League  5

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Bandy  5 was recently demoted to V5 from V4. I'm thinking we wouldn't consider a Russian bandy league vital at this level.

Support
  1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 13:34, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. No compelling claims of vitality, and poor stats (~18 daily pageviews, 7 interwikis).--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 13:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Entrée, Main course, and Side dish

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Three well known topics in terms of a meal that have not been listed. We list Hors d'oeuvre  5, so I'm sure we can list all three of these. All three should be listed under the Basics of Cooking, food and drink in the main Everyday life page [5].

Support
  1. All three as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Hors d'ouvre should have the rest of them listed alongside. Makkool (talk) 16:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Swap: Add Supreme People's Court, remove Supreme Court of Canada  5

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Canada is currently the smallest country by either population or GDP for which we list its highest court. In contrast, China ranks #2 in both respects.

Support
  1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Graphics

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Well known concept in the world of design/visual arts that hasn't been listed yet. Different from Graphic design  4. Should be listed under Modern visual arts [6].

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 22:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Mansion

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A type of house for rich people. Interstellarity (talk) 12:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 12:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obvious addition. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 17:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion

Add Practical joke

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Also known as a "prank". I don't really think this needs much of an explanation, this is an extremely widespread type of Joke  4 that I'm sure everyone here has experienced (or maybe even executed) more than a handful of times in their life. Would go under Joke's listing in the Comedy section of Arts.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 06:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Thought about nominating this myself but forgot.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Joke warrants a subtopic. Makkool (talk) 16:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Well known concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 03:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Award and Trophy

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Two basic concepts that don't need further explanation. Possibly put these under Accessories in Everyday life? If you have a better suggestion let me know.

Support
  1. Both as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 04:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Fan wiki

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Fan wikis are some of the most popular websites in the world. Should be under Internet medium. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. as nom. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. When nobody made an article for this up until now (and the nominator themselves made the article) and it has no interwikis, I highly doubt that this vital. Sure, widespread, but vital? No. λ NegativeMP1 03:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Too specific variant of Wiki  5.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Wiki  5 is only VA5 and this does not seem like an important enough subtopic to overcome that. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Per above. The page has only existed for a few days. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Add Team

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Everyday concept. Typically related to organizational work.

Support
  1. As nominator. To management.Tabu Makiadi (talk) 02:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Maybe a little dicdef, but a basic concept. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 00:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Remove Dora the Explorer, add Dora the Explorer (TV series)

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I think it is fair to say that the series itself is more important than the franchise as a whole.

Support
  1. As nominator (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. The original show trumps the franchise almost always. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 00:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral

Add Chief executive officer

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Also known as CEO, a basic business concept that hasn't been added yet. Could possibly be V4? Should be added to Business, either General or Business types.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Escalation clause  5, Exit interview  5, Closed shop  5 and Deskilling  5

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Minor concepts in employment and business. The latter may be swapped for Technological unemployment, which is more frequently used.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:07, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Candy Land  5 and Ball-in-a-maze puzzle  5

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Fairly obscure games.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support ball-in-a-maze puzzle, neutral on Candy Land. It is incredibly well-selling and very popular in the US, but it has 0 interwikis. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support both Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove International Defensive Pistol Association  5

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We already have three shooting sports authorities: International Shooting Sport Federation  5 and International Practical Shooting Confederation  5. This one has only 1 interwiki.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. We can probably do without the others too. Kevinishere15 (talk) 09:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. per nom. Would also vote to remove International Practical Shooting Confederation if proposed but probably not International Shooting Sport Federation since it governs the Olympics, World Championships, and World Cups of the major shooting sports. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Chinese Super League  5 and Egyptian Premier League  5

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We underrepresent China in many ways, but we don’t need to list every major country’s football league. Considering we don’t list Egyptian or Chinese footballers.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support remove Chinese Super League. Had a surge in relevance in the mid 2010s with big splashy signings but a continued legacy is yet to be seen. Aurangzebra (talk) 16:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose removing Egyptian Premier League. It is arguably the most important league in all of Africa (it rotates between Morocco and Egypt). Their big two clubs, Zamalek SC (41 interwikis) and Al Ahly (54 interwikis), have extremely significant continental importance. The Egyptian Premier League is also deeply intertwined with Egypt's history and is responsible for borderline VA5 events such as the Port Said Stadium riot.
Discuss
  1. I would support removing Nigeria Professional Football League  5 instead of the Egyptian Premier League. How this was ever included, I have no clue. You can see in the article's section under Association Ranking for the 2024-25 CAF club season, it's not even in the top 10 best African leagues (note that Egypt is first). Its most successful club, Enyimba, only has 29 interwikis and has only won the African Champions League twice. Meanwhile, the top 2 most winningest clubs in all of Africa are both Egyptian. Aurangzebra (talk) 16:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Gym

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Everyday facility. Common across the world.

Support
  1. As nominator. To sports basics. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 20:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obviously. Kevinishere15 (talk) 20:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Basic add. Also important in education. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 21:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 02:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Camel (cigarette)

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As proposed by The Blue Rider in the Marlboro proposal. A well known cigarette brand that is still widely recognized today. I personally feel like it's not the strongest add, but I think it's recognized enough that people will advocate for this (plus, it gave us Joe Camel). Also Top-importance in WikiProject Brands.

Support
  1. Weak support as nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Frito-Lay

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Well known manufacturer of several iconic chip brands, especially in the United States, most notably Lay's, Doritos, and Cheetos (sidenote: I think all three of those could be VAs). Yes, it's technically already covered by PepsiCo  5, but so is KFC  5, so I think this could suffice.

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Add Mars Inc.

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The biggest candy/confectionary company in the world. A manufacturer of several iconic candy brands, most notably M&M's and Snickers (sidenote: I think both of those should be VAs). 43 interwikis, an increasing number of daily pageviews (64.5 thousand the last 30 days).

Support
  1. As nominator. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 01:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 18:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

A few classic rock work removals

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Arts is over quota and I think its pretty well agreed upon that there is a classic rock bias within the vital articles list. For a while now, I've been trying to pick a couple rock works that we can remove, and I think I've figured out a few songs that we can do without. All of these do not seem to have a wide impact on the industry nor society as a whole, and therefore, I think we can discuss their removal. λ NegativeMP1 20:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove My Generation  5

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Doesn't seem to have left a major impact on its genre or the music industry as a whole. Ranking on a few lists isn't enough to warrant vitality in an over quota section. It also doesn't help that The Who  5 is already a V5 artist, meaning that whatever impact this song may have left is probably covered there already.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. The Who is an iconic band, but I don't know if any of their songs are V5 worthy, especially since like mentioned above, they're only a V5 band. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Easily the weakest vitality claims of the three (plenty of creative works have been removed for mere positive reception), plus the lowest pageviews.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Love Will Tear Us Apart  5

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One publication considering this the best single of all time (not even the best song of all time) and ranking on a few other lists isn't enough. There is very little in this article that suggests a major impact or legacy, and the band that made it is V5 already. And if we want to play the interwikis argument, this song only has 17 interwikis (the average for a "major song" is about 24 or so, even outside of VA). I don't think it's possible to justify this song staying in an over-quota section influenced by bias.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 20:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Strong support. No idea how this was listed over, say, We Will Rock You or something from Lynyrd Skynyrd  5 or Van Halen  5. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Strong oppose (as if removing New Order (band) wasn't enough...). This is probably the single most well-known representative of Post-punk that remains famous to this day. I don't know if maybe the article could be improved to better outline its impact, but I strongly suspect this might be overlooked here as its possibly less well-known in the US compared to the UK (at least, judging by the charts section). I'll also add pageviews for the past 30 days are well above both of the others nominated here (13.8k vs 10.8k for Hound Dog and 6.5k for My Generation). Iostn (talk) 20:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In my defense, this article does a REALLY bad job at demonstrating its legacy, if it truly has one. If you can dig something up for how important this song is, I'm always open to changing my mind. But at present, there's nothing here. λ NegativeMP1 20:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    From sources I could find quicklyish focusing specifically on the influence of the song itself, there's these: [7] [8] [9]
    Although come to think of it, I could possibly see an argument for swapping this for Unknown Pleasures. Iostn (talk) 21:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per above. An iconic song in UK popular music. Makkool (talk) 11:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Hound Dog (song)  5

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This song got covered by a bunch of different artists and had some legal stuff going on, but beyond that I don't think this song is all that significant. Same argument for the two proposals above applies here, a few rankings and appearances in media isn't really enough. Unless we're including this song so that Elvis Presley  4 has more sub-topics, in which case I might withdraw.

Support
  1. As nom. (Per below, I would also support a swap with Jailhouse Rock (song)). λ NegativeMP1 20:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support swap with Jailhouse Rock Kevinishere15 (talk) 01:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose swapping with Jailhouse Rock, neutral on removal. According to the article, Hound Dog seems to be much more note-worthy, as Presley's highest-selling single, #19 on Rolling Stone's greatest songs of all-time list, and as a "an emblem of the rock 'n' roll revolution". Makkool (talk) 17:10, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discuss

Remove Nigeria Professional Football League  5

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I mentioned we should remove this in one of the threads above but reposting as a full thread. You can see in the article's section under Association Ranking for the 2024-25 CAF club season, it's not even in the top 10 best African leagues. It's not clear if we should even include one African soccer league so I think it is safe to say that the 12th best league in Africa definitely does not deserve a spot. Its most successful club, Enyimba, only has 29 interwikis and has only won the African Champions League twice.

Support
  1. as nom Aurangzebra (talk) 17:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makkool (talk) 17:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Economy and law by country removals

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Currently, we have 24 "Politics by country," 34 "Economy by country," and 37 "Law by country" articles. I won’t go into the details of each entry, but I want to consider whether some of these articles truly deserve VA5 status. For example, are there specific elements of the Law of the Netherlands  5 or the Law of Romania  5 that are essential for an average, educated person? Should we focus on countries in greater flux, like Economy of Argentina  5, rather than larger economies like Poland or Taiwan? These proposals aim to reduce to 30 the number of "Law" and "Economy by country" entries. If you disagree, let me know if it’s the specific countries selected or if the list is already appropriately sized and doesn’t need significant cuts.

Support
  1. As nominator. Tabu Makiadi (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Makkool (talk) 17:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support removal of all but Economy of Switzerland  5 and Economy of Argentina  5. Argentina is a classic case of economic mismanagement, and the economy of Argentina is an enduring subject in macroeconomic studies. Switzerland has a unique economy within Europe and arguably the world with its high level of economic development and reputation of neutrality and banking secrecy. Ireland is also notable as a global tax haven but its economy is otherwise overshadowed by Switzerland in notability – it's smaller, less rich, and lacks homegrown economic powerhouses when Switzerland has Nestlé, Roche, Richemont, etc. Between Argentina and Switzerland I'd keep Argentina first, but I think both are notable enough for the list. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose removal of Economy of Switzerland  5 and Economy of Argentina  5. See my comment above. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
  • For the econ removals, I used List of countries by GDP (PPP) for reference. The proposed economies are the lowest ranked among the ones listed. The Law by country articles have 5 or fewer interwikis.

Add The Game Awards

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I think we should list a video game award/award ceremony of some sort (we list none), and this one has basically become the video game equivalent of the Grammy Awards  5. And while it's certainly newer (2013, 2003 if you want to count the Spike Video Game Awards), its last two events had well over a hundred million viewers and there's been years where it's viewership has more than doubled from the previous, and that growth probably won't stop any time soon. For comparison, 18.25 million people watched the Grammy's in 2023, while 118 million watched the Game Awards. If added, I propose a new section of the list be added under the Video games section titled "Video game awards", since there's nowhere else that this can reasonably go at the moment.

Support
  1. As nom. λ NegativeMP1 21:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose~
  1. Too recent, game award shows have come and gone. We can't yet say if this will have the longevity of the Grammies for example. Makkool (talk) 17:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion

Remove World Mission Society Church of God

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The topic is 30 articles over-quota, and the World Mission Society Church of God is a not-that-big (100,000 as of 2013) cult (believes an elderly Korean lady is God). All the other denominations listed are major ones, but I don't think this one fits. I don't know for sure (cannot find the numbers) but I imagine there are other cults of similar size; this one definitely does not have the notability of Scientology and the Unification Church. If it is not removed, I also think it should be moved to New Religious Movements, as it is currently in Christian Denominations.

Support
  1. As nom. Mrfoogles (talk) 19:35, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tagging @Penitence, who mentioned it probably being removed on the article's talk page Mrfoogles (talk) 04:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Support removal Makkool (talk) 11:12, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussion

Add Foster care

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It's a way of taking care of children. Maybe somewhere under Family and kinship. Interstellarity (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:37, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obvious add. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:47, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:00, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support; it should be placed under Everyday life/Family and kinship/Marriage and parenting/Parenting in my opinion, where Adoption already is.
Oppose
Neutral
Discussion
  1. Just noting that the Everday life section is over-quota by 3; we should propose an article to remove as well.

Add Balloon

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Found everywhere in parties. Maybe in Toys in Sports, games, and recreation. Interstellarity (talk) 22:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:52, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Obvious add. JpTheNotSoSuperior (talk) 23:48, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:59, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 13:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. This shouldn't be added without removing another article, because the section is 31 articles over-quota. Also, Balloon is the wrong article to add to the toy section. I'd support adding Toy balloon if something else was also removed, or it was moved to an under-quota section.Mrfoogles (talk) 22:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Discussion
  1. If we're talking about party balloons what should actually be added is probably the page Toy balloon, which covers exactly that. Also, Balloon (aeronautics) was already added to the vital articles in the Technology section, and that heavily overlaps with Balloon (most of both their articles go over the same use cases).Mrfoogles (talk) 22:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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