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User Beyond My Ken's reversions

Flickr user ajay_suresh has taken, edited, and uploaded hundreds of high quality images of landmarks in the city. I've been trying to make sure these valuable photos end up in articles rather than just sitting unused on Commons. Unfortunately Beyond My Ken has reverted every single addition of these images, almost always to preserve the inclusion of his own, lower quality photographs in articles. Here are some of the new, high quality, images and the dated, lower quality images he's replaced them with.

Ajay's images, BMK's reversions

I find BMK's behavior troubling (bordering on WP:OWNERSHIP or WP:HARASS behavior) and worry it is coming at the expense of the quality of Wikipedia's NY content. Filetime (talk) 02:44, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

On Washington Mews, BMK reverted the addition of this gallery which shows the historic facades along the street with no explanation or justification. Why is he hindering the improvement of coverage of NY landmarks? Filetime (talk) 02:49, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Gallery randomly removed by BMK
  • No. 3-10, built in 1939
    No. 3-10, built in 1939
  • No. 15, built before 1854
    No. 15, built before 1854
  • No. 16, built in 1880
    No. 16, built in 1880
  • No. 42, built before 1854
    No. 42, built before 1854
  • No. 64, built in 1941
    No. 64, built in 1941
  • Actually, what's troubling here is Filetime's long-time continuing behavior of acting as the self-appointed god of article images. He constantly changes article images and reduces the display size of galleries, all without ever inquiring in advance if the changes are needed or wanted. This wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the sad fact that his changes are almost invariably not improvements. He replaces good images with newer but less interesting ones, often with the excuse that the new images are technically better, but an image which is better technically but does a bad job of presenting the subject of the image is not an improvement over a technically adequate one which presents the subject significantly better. In other words, Filetime has no criteria for judging whether the new images are improvements or not except extremely narrow technical ones, as his judgment concern presentation is almost totally lacking. His judgement of quality is almost exclusively about numbers and not about the visual or informational value of an image. He's been doing this for quite a while, and doing it specifically to images which I happen to have taken to the extent that a he was warned by an admin that his behavior was verging on harassment and that he needed to stop before he would be blocked. As it happens, he did not stop, and was blocked for 48 hours for "hounding" me.
Here Filetime continues that behavior, so I am pinging the admin: @Drmies:. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
First things first. This is a content not a conduct forum. So bevavioural concerns belong elsewhere. Likewise any sniping on talk pages or in edit summaries should cease. Please exercise caution with pings as these may give the appearence of canvassing to a content discussion, although for reasons I'm about to explain that concern is fairly low.
Short version, these are all distinct content disputes that can't really be resolved in one place, although a brief message asking for input is fine, but since each photo dispute has to be examined on it's own merits trying to resolve several of them at once will likely just result in a TRAINWRECK.
Longer version, it's clear that you are both passionate about photography and also have many disagreements over how to assess photographs; it happens, on most pages you can get away with whatever you want for the image because none of the watchers really cares much, but sometimes two or more people with strongly held views have interest in similar topics and coming to a compromise when images are involved is trickier then with text because the choice is more often binary (i.e. one or the other). If the discussion is of the type where you might find agreement like with formatting, or where you can just have both images in a gallery then try to work it out between yourselves, in the more binary cases just seek WP:DR once it becomes clear that talk page discussion has stalemated. If the two of you can agree on a trusted 3rd-party with strong knowledge of photography to mediate disputes and agree in advance to heed their recommendations that would be optimal to save a bit of community time, but if not you'll probably have to go to rfcs. Once an rfc has concluded respect the result and don't start a new rfc on the images for at least six months in the absence of a very compelling reason. You could potentially try WP:DRN to resolve multiple disputes at once but success rates in mediation there aren't exactly great and some people consider it a waste of time.
I've seen some of these disputes before, I don't have much knowledge when it comes to photography so I've stayed away. In my uneducated opinion it varies, each of you probably has the better photo around half the time. But like I said, I don't know much about photography, so take that for what it's worth.
In sum, don't editwar, assess on a case-by-case basis, use WP:DR, and if conduct issues become a problem use the appropriate conduct forum WP:ANEW, WP:ANI, etc. I hope you both found this helpful. Cheers, 81.177.27.61 (talk) 16:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Consensus requested for WPNYC template update

Hi all, please see the template talk page for a proposed addition to our project's optional template parameters, which will help structure and improve the assessment process for potential B-class articles. In order to have a template editor add the feature, consensus is needed. Thanks! Headphase (talk) 20:47, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Good Topic: Parks of the Bronx

I've just published Claremont Park, which means we now have articles on every one of the New Parks Act parks. I believe three of those are already GA. I'd love to get the rest of them up to GA and then we could have Parks of the Bronx as a WP:Good topic, which I've never done before. Would love to have some help getting the rest of them up to GA. I've also been thinking about Minor parks of the Bronx, to cover the dozens of small parks which don't justify their own articles. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:14, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

    • Very nice work User:RoySmith! I would like to help, as I love the parks of New York City but admittedly know very little about the parks of the Bronx. Is there a specific article I can focus on? Are there needs for photos of the Bronx parks? I could take a trip and snap some winter shots. Thanks for spreading the knowledge about the parks of the Bronx! --Wil540 art (talk) 18:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
      I haven't done any work on St. Mary's Park (Bronx), so maybe that's a good place to start. It's also the furthest of the 6 from where I live, so if you want to take some photos, that would be a good one from that point of view as well. I'm not sure what's good shooting there, however. The last time I was there (this past summer), most of the park was a construction project. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:18, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Most fun would be a group to walk through the abandoned railroad tunnel underneath the park. Jim.henderson (talk) 15:19, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
    • I'm in Jim.henderson, lead the way! Sounds haunted. Is the abandoned railroad tunnel accessible to the public? --Wil540 art (talk) 09:33, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
      • Accessibility of abandoned railroads is dubious. Before the turn of the century I walked many of them alone and with friends in New York and New Jersey, and a few easy ones shortly before the plague slowed my adventures. In my current age of diminished powers I would not walk the Port Morris Branch alone. It's a trench line that goes underground. Drainage has presumably not been maintained in the quarter century that it has been out of use, so it requires watching for flood. Today would be a bad choice, for example, with recent rain and more possible in the afternoon. So, yes, it's a bit of an adventure. Might have a few good pictures. A preliminary scout of the possible access point that I snapped a few years ago might be in order, in case conditions have changed there. Hmm, if there were a political agitation for an entrenched greenway from the Randalls Island Connector to the Borough Courthouse ... Jim.henderson (talk) 14:17, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Bust of George Floyd

The bust of George Floyd has already been vandalized. How disheartening... ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:29, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Sigh. I hate people sometimes. Star Mississippi 12:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

BTW, image requested for this article. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:57, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Unfortunately, because the US doesn't have freedom of panorama for public art, copyright would prohibit an upload to Commons. But it should qualify for a non-free image uploaded to Wikipedia. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:32, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for clarifying. Hoping someone can upload an image under fair use. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:06, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
I've uploaded an image under fair use. @Another Believer: --Wil540 art (talk) 09:25, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:10, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Fresh Fruit Festival

Found this in the backlog. I feel like it should be notable, but it's a brochure, even with the minimal sourcing I was able to find and add. Any thoughts or suggestions on improving this, or a merger target if it's not going to make it as a standalone? Star Mississippi 15:51, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

It's not much, but I did find some independent coverage in Broadway World. There might be a bit more to say about its parent organization, All Out Arts. pburka (talk) 16:14, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm wondering through similar research if it makes more sense to create an All Out Arts article and then merge this. That way it's still covered, but nothing I'm finding screams standalone, unfortunately. Star Mississippi 16:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Time's Up!

I noticed the article for the NYC based cycling advocacy group Time's Up! needs a bit of help. I think there’s plenty of sourcing around to make a really good article. Thriley (talk) 18:28, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Wonder if Jim.henderson knows a thing or two. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Rhododendrites Twelve or fifteen years ago I was the Sweep (rear admiral of the ride) for a Times Up winter ride from Central Park to Bay Ridge. I got the job because my friend Trudy was the Point (real boss) and she was grooming me as an assistant. I drifted away from them and from Trudy's own over-the-hill gang, and never had much interest in the political end, the "cycling movement" anyway. I didn't know they were the subject of an article. So, I could probably hunt them down again; don't know how much the plague has cut back their activities. During the plague year (and a half) I've only been participating in one biker gang, and having aged twenty years during that year and a half I don't stand up to cold so well. Jim.henderson (talk) 20:07, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Donald H. Elliott

I just created a brief article for Donald H. Elliott. He was the chair of the City Planning Commission in the late 1960s and early 70s. He was an important figure in guiding the City away from the Robert Moses era. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 06:30, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Template:New York City Council districts into Template:New York City Council.

The merger of Template:New York City Council districts into Template:New York City Council has been proposed at: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 January 10#Template:New York City Council districts --HugoHelp (talk) 19:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

January 29: COVID-19 Pandemic in the United States Edit-a-thon / Translate-a-thon - Online via Zoom

COVID-19 Pandemic in the United States Edit-a-thon / Translate-a-thon (January 29, 2022)

Hello WikiProject New York City! You are invited to a free online event, open to the public, via Zoom on Saturday - January 29th, 2022, 1pm-3pm E.S.T. We will be focusing our edits on the ongoing Coronavirus pandemic. Click the event page to read more. This event is hosted by Sure We Can, a recycling and community center in Brooklyn. This is the 4th Covid-focused Edit-a-thon that Sure We Can has hosted. Click here to see the last three COVID-19 focused edit-a-thons: Sept 6th, 2020 & Nov 21, 2020 & Feb 6th, 2021. In past events, we translated the COVID-19 pandemic in New York City article into Spanish, Yoruba, Malagasy, Hebrew, Swahili, Tagalog, Korean, Russian, Japanese, Portuguese, Polish, Greek, Haitian Creole, and wrote the COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy in the United States article. We would love for you to join us. All experience levels welcome.

COVID-19 Pandemic in the United States Edit-a-thon / Translate-a-thon

Saturday January 29, 1PM - 3PM E.S.T (18:00 - 20:00 UTC)

--Wil540 art (talk) 18:47, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

45 Wine and Whiskey

The newly created 45 Wine and Whiskey needs a bit of love, if any project members want to help expand or upload a photograph. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:09, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Cliff Clinkscales

I have nominated Cliff Clinkscales for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 21:12, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

January collaboration: Lower Manhattan expansion

We've designated Lower Manhattan expansion as our January article for Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City/Monthly collaboration. You're welcome to join in!--Pharos (talk) 18:24, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Jeremiah Moss

I just created an article for Jeremiah Moss of Jeremiah's Vanishing New York. Any help would be appreciated! Thriley (talk) 02:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Thriley: Interesting NYC historian. I'm wondering if the article is naming Moss correctly. Most all the sources refer to him as Moss, not Hansbury. --Wil540 art (talk) 02:53, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Moss is a pseudonym Hansbury uses in writing about New York. He doesn’t use it in his private life. Thriley (talk) 02:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
"The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title, even if it is not the person's "real" name, and even if it appears to pass judgement on the person" See: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) --Wil540 art (talk) 02:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
So are you saying his real name should be put in the personal life section? Thriley (talk) 03:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I think his legal name should remain in the lead as he's revealed his identity publicly; however, the article should refer to him as Moss as that is the name he is known and referred to as. --Wil540 art (talk) 03:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I miss his regular writing, that was such a good blog. Look forward to ferral. Had found some stuff on him for a non Wiki project. Will see what I can add. Star Mississippi 02:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Me too! I was an early avid reader. Truly one of the greats. Thriley (talk) 03:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Consensus needed - inclusion of fictional instances/characters?

As part of an effort to clear out the large backlog of unassessed articles in the Project, I've recently encountered quite a few which are about individual fictional characters or individual episodes/seasons of fictional works (like TV shows and comics).

While I think it's assumed that the main articles of these works (for example, Castle (TV series)) do belong in the project, I question the value of including their child articles (like List of Castle characters, List of Castle episodes, Castle (season 1), Richard Castle, etc. etc.) for two reasons:

  • Size: If this Project onboarded every character, season, and episode of every fictional work either about, set-in, filmed-in, or written-in New York City, it would be (and, arguably, already is) excessively bloated and saturated with articles that most members here have little to no interest in maintaining under the scope of this project.
  • Focus: The goal of any WikiProject is to identify, track, and improve articles on a targeted basis. Treating the project's banner template as an indiscriminate hashtag to mark anything & everything remotely related to it is a misuse, and it devalues the work of the Project at large imv.

Thoughts? Headphase (talk) 16:53, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

  • If it were easy to spin out new WikiProjects, then there is enough content and demand to have one for "WikiProject New York City in Fiction". Over at WP:WikiProject Medicine there were conflicts with House (TV series), which is an immensely popular medical show with an engaged editor community. Fortunately someone set up Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/House task force so that now on the talk page Talk:House (TV series) it is not part of WikiProject Medicine. I appreciate the enthusiasm, and people need WikiProjects, and yes the show did drive a large audience to actual medical articles, but the fiction audience and the nonfiction audiences are different. Bluerasberry (talk) 17:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Agreed. If there is no further objection, I'll go ahead and add this to the Assessment page:

The following articles should not generally be included within the scope of this wikiproject:

  • Individual ficitonal episodes, seasons, and characters.
  • (placeholder)
Headphase (talk) 02:14, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
There are two questions here: whether fictional elements from NYC should be part of this project, and whether they should have their own project.
WikiProjects are, by and large, strapped for participation, and should should only be created when there are people dedicated to working on them, not to dump dead weight from another project. So for the second question, I don't think it's a good idea to split this off unless there are some people here who will commit to setting it up and working on it. Perhaps a task force makes more sense if maintenance is the biggest concern, but there, too, we'd need people who are interested in that task force beyond the point that it's split out.
As for whether they should be part of this project, I don't think I see see the harm. I don't think participants have an expectation that they will be interested in absolutely every article tagged for a given project. I dare say most articles in most WikiProjects (save very few examples) are articles that WikiProject members have little to no interest in maintaining. I don't think that's a bad thing -- just that people are interested in what they're interested in, and that rarely spans a subject as large as New York City. I see West Side Story, Wall Street, Friends, Seinfeld, The Warriors, On the Waterfront, Taxi Driver, A Bronx Tale, etc. as completely relevant to NYC and the NYC WikiProject. Compare that to some random business that happens to exist within city limits. I'm certainly more likely to read those articles and edit those articles than some random company that happens to exist (or ever existed) inside city limits (or the Mets or some Wall Street CEO for that matter). Another conversation could just be to set some guidelines, like "does the [setting/birthplace/location] play a significant role in the work?" though that would be hard to ensure.
Update: I missed an important line above re: child articles. Facepalm Facepalm - that negates much of my second paragraph. The guidance may work, but I'm curious about "generally" - can we articulate more about exceptions? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 05:03, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Gentrification of New York City

I noticed this draft needs some help: Draft:Gentrification of New York City. I am surprised that several other American cities have articles on the subject but New York doesn’t. Thriley (talk) 22:26, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Bayside Station Post Office, or Bayside Annex?

There's an image of some Great Depression era Bas-Relief decoration supposedly inside the USPS Bayside, Queens Post Office.

The trouble is, when I went to the Bayside post office, this feature was nowhere in site.

So was the image taken down, or is this located in the Bayside Annex, which is consider restrictive to the general public? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 05:48, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Coogan’s

I created a draft for Coogan’s, an Irish pub that closed during the Covid lockdown. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 04:38, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

oh wow. Shocked that didn't exist. Will take a stab. Star Mississippi 14:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of tenants in 1 World Trade Center#Requested move 17 March 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of tenants in 1 World Trade Center#Requested move 17 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 22:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Queens requested image backlog

The backlog at Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Queens has been reduced from 54 to 14 since the beginning of the month:

  • 25 image requests had already been fulfilled.
  • 1 request could be fulfilled with an existing picture.
  • 2 non-notable articles were deleted.
  • 2 image requests of people were moved to a subject-specific category.
  • 10 requests were fulfilled with new pictures.

Of the remaining requests:

Any help with the remaining image requests would be appreciated. Ruбlov (talk) 11:53, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

RfC notification

A request for comment that may interest members of this project has been opened at Talk:Donald Trump § RfC: Should the lead section have any citations?. ––FormalDude talk 19:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2010 New York City tornadoes#Requested move 5 March 2022

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2010 New York City tornadoes#Requested move 5 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 06:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Earth Day 2022 Edit-a-thon - April 22nd - 2PM EST

You're invited! NYC Earth Day 2022 Edit-a-thon! April 22nd!

Sure We Can and the Environment of New York City Task Force invite you to join us for:

This Edit-a-Thon is part of a larger Earth Day celebration, hosted by Brooklyn based recycling and community center Sure We Can, that runs from 1PM-7PM and is open to the public! See this flyer for more information: https://www.instagram.com/p/CcGr4FyuqEa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

-- Environment of New York City Task Force

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

  • John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Looking for peer review of Paul Goodman

Hi all, I'm looking for peer reviews of our article on the American public intellectual and prominent New Yorker Paul Goodman before it goes to FAC, if anyone would be so inclined: Wikipedia:Peer review/Paul Goodman/archive1. No prior experience necessary—just want to know how it reads for a general audience, given that the content gets a bit obtuse. czar 19:08, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

St. Augustine's Church (Brooklyn)

I just created an article for St. Augustine's Church (Brooklyn). The church was in the news today due to the theft of a gold tabernacle estimated to be worth $2 million. Thriley (talk) 15:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Nancy Reagan

I have nominated Nancy Reagan for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 05:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Curb your dog (Sign NYC)

This looks like a promising draft: Draft:Curb your dog (Sign NYC). Thriley (talk) 03:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, this draft has promise. I just added an image. I will share the link on the WMNYC discord, see if anyone has any Curbing insights. Wil540 art (talk) 14:52, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks very much.. It's my second article that I tried to create (I am trying to learn my way through the process). The dog sign itself is iconic and so way before the Internet it might be lost to generational memory. Stepping in dog poo in Brooklyn and Manhattan (whether on the sidewalk on the curb) was kind of disgusting, something to be remembered for sure. Here is the first article I wrote of local interest here in Sarasota Florida and surrounding parts Draft:Westcoast Black Theatre Troupe Flibbertigibbets (talk) 17:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
It still needs quite a bit. Especially it needs trims; too much redundant repetition. Also I guess a pullquote. Anyway, our friend Wil540 art suggested a look. I like to go very slowly on an individual article; hoping someone else will jump in and finish the job. Since we are both oldtimers (me in more senses) we can eventually decide it's ready to move into article space, insert links, and invite the world of Wikans to tear down and rebuild our work. Actually that's the part I more often do; I seldom get involved with an article that is as primitive in its development as this one but might as well bring back my early days of editing. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:00, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Thank you "folks" for stepping in on the article. I just remembered something from my childhood. The more people that can attack the article the more I am appreciative!! (for me it's the early days of editing - and it's great to have the input and contributions of/from some heavy hitters!) Flibbertigibbets (talk) 01:39, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Wondering also if there is some pre-internet newspaper support. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 02:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
and Kacik is fascinating. I just started Walter Kacik. Need to dig a little into the Wikipedia Library as there's some material on him from a design perspective. Thanks for kicking this off. Star Mississippi 03:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Mental health care in New York City article - ? - Healthcare in NYC

To quote @Rhododendrites from the WMNYC discord: "I dare say if someone's feeling brave, there's a good case for creating mental health care in New York City or even involuntary hospitalization in New York City..."

I agree. On that topic, Involuntary hospitalization the United States doesn't exist but Involuntary_treatment#United_States does. A redirect is in order; at least, or a stand alone article.

If there isn't the capacity for a new stand-alone "Mental healthcare in NYC" article at the moment, more info on that subject matter could be added to and developed in the Healthcare in New York City or Healthcare in New York (state) articles, both of which need a good bit of attention. - Wil540 art (talk) 05:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Holliswood, Queens

Need discussion and opinion on whether Holliswood, Queens should have its own article distinct from Hollis, Queens. Please discuss at Draft talk:Holliswood, Queens AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 17:24, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Hurricane Gloria under FA Review

I have nominated Hurricane Gloria for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. George Ho (talk) 02:36, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Bus in the Bronx? Are you sure?

Every now and then, I've come across some pictures of buses in the commons that are categorized as "Buses in the Bronx, New York City" simply because they have Bx Route numbers. Since some of those routes cross into Manhattan, I had to be sure that some buses marked as "Bx" are actually in Upper Manhattan, and I've found out I was right. I'm not entirely certain about the one below, though. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 05:23, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

The key seems to be in at least one of the storefronts, unless there's a "Harlem Discount" grocery store in the Bronx.

That bus is in front of 501 W 125th St., although just about every store front in the picture except the Dunkin Donuts has changed since it was taken in 2009. But there's still a deli/grocery/bodega there. Jahaza (talk) 07:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

It's not just Bx busses. There's lots of bus lines that go between boroughs, and get named for one or the other. I don't know how they decide which name to give it. For example, the Q44 and Q50 routes both run partly in the Bronx.
It's odd that the DD's is the one store that hasn't changed. Do DD's just have greater longevity than most places? There's one in the town where I grew up in NJ in the mid 1970's that's still there today. Looking on Google Maps, it hasn't changed at all. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:48, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Verizon history request

I have an unanswered request that I have posted on the Talk page of the Verizon Communications article about the subsection Merger of equals (2000–2002). Since Verizon is headquartered in Midtown Manhattan, I thought it may interest members of this WikiProject.

As I work for Verizon and have a conflict of interest, I ask others to look at my requests and make edits on my behalf. I can answer any questions about these requests on the Verizon Communications Talk page. Thank you, VZEric (talk) 20:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Creation of draft for the Interborough Express

As the project gets more steam, it seems right to create an article for the project. I created a draft and would love to get opinions on it: Draft:Interborough Express. Esolo5002 (talk) 20:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Feb collaboration: Anthony Janszoon van Salee

For this month's Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City/Monthly collaboration — Anthony Janszoon van Salee, who was perhaps the first Muslim American. Pharos (talk) 02:32, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Sheltering Arms, 200 year old charitable organization

I just made a draft for Draft:Sheltering Arms (charity), which just announced that it is shutting down. Thriley (talk) 15:54, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Why is "Kechemeche" in this project?

I just happened to notice on Talk:Kechemeche that it is "within the scope of WikiProject New York City". It's not clear to me that it should be, so I'm asking here.

The Kechemeche were (and maybe are, I don't know) a group of Native American people who, at the time of European contact, lived in the southern portion of what is now Cape May County, New Jersey, i.e. the peninsula at the very southern tip of NJ. That's a hundred-some miles from NYC. And I don't see anything in the article regarding NYC. The closest thing is a vague passing mention of New Netherland (alongside related mentions of New Sweden and the Province of New Jersey). What is now NYC was a part of New Netherland, but a whole lot of places were, too... like, from upstate NY down to Delmarva (and including, to be explicit, Cape May). So, it seems weird to me that this article is part of this WikiProject.

However, I don't really know much at all about this WikiProject beyond its name, so I guess it actually could be "within the scope". Beyond the vague mention of New Netherland, I see one other possible reason why it might be: The Kechemeche were part of the Lenape, and the Lenape were also in what is now NYC. But really, I think this suffers from essentially the same issue as the vague New Netherland mention: The Lenape people lived throughout a very large area, not just NYC and its immediate environs. Moreover, the Lenape were divided into three major clans, and as you can see on the map I just linked to, the NYC area and the southern NJ area were dominated by two different clans, with the third clan in between them. And beyond that, the clans were subdivided into smaller groups -- such as the Kechemeche. So this reason for relating the article to NYC would boil down to something like:

  • The Kechemeche lived at the very southern tip of New Jersey, in an area of maybe a few hundred square miles.
  • The Kechemeche were a small band of the Turkey Clan.
  • The Turkey Clan lived throughout an area of ten thousand square miles or so.
  • The Turkey Clan was one of the three large clans of the Lenape people.
  • One of the other two clans was the Wolf Clan.
  • The Wolf Clan lived throughout a different area also of ten thousand square miles or so, separated from the lands of the Turkey Clan by the several-thousand-square-miles lands of the third (Turtle) clan.
  • The Canarsee were a small band of the Wolf Clan.
  • The Canarsee lived around Brooklyn, a hundred-some miles from the Kechemeche, in an area of maybe a hundred square miles or so.
  • Brooklyn is part of New York City.
  • Therefore, the Kechemeche are within the scope of WikiProject NYC.

This seems like a pretty flimsy justification to me, but again, I don't know enough about your WikiProject to say whether it is a sufficient justification or not, so I'm asking here rather than just deleting the page's mention of the WikiProject. -Rwv37 (talk) 08:08, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

You're right, @Rwv37: so I have now reflagged it. Jim.henderson (talk) 23:06, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:One dollar pizza

I think this is a promising draft: Draft:One dollar pizza. A New York staple that is slowly disappearing. Thriley (talk) 16:19, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Little Spain

Should Spanish Americans in New York City be moved back to Little Spain? —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 23:46, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

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Good article reassessment for Red Auerbach

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Leonard Abrams, founder of the East Village Eye, has died

I just created an article for Leonard Abrams. Any help would be appreciated. Best, Thriley (talk) 18:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Housing Rights in NYC taskforce

Hello everyone, typing live from NYC's WikiWednesday Salon. An idea we've discussed here the past two times that a few people were interested in was creating a taskforce to cover housing/tenants rights in NYC. NYC has quite a lot of housing rights articles, more than most states, but many are in disrepair and many don't exist. I'll create a more formal taskforce page when I have time (currently in my last week of finals), but I'm posting this to gauge interest. If anyone would like to contribute, please subscribe to this and/or reply and I'll notify everyone here when the task force page is created! TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 22:36, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Pale Male has died

Pale Male, a resident of Central Park and the most famous hawk in the world, has died. Thriley (talk) 16:45, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Essential Workers Monument at AfD

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Requested move at Pennsylvania Station (New York City)

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New Housing and Tenant Rights Task Force

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Prime Produce

An importance assessment would be appreciated as the article is recommended for deletion. Jacobin 357 (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

New York City Columbus Day Parade

New York City Columbus Day Parade probably needs to be a real article, comparable to New York City St. Patrick's Day Parade, but it is presently just a categorized redirect to Columbus Citizens Foundation#Columbus Day Parade, the only place I can find an appropriate section, but it is just a section-stub (the whole page is basically a stub, and badly needs linking and other wikification). There's a small amount of related information in Columbus Day#United States observance, but not much. I gather that, with over a million spectators and 40K direct partciipants, that this is the second-largest parade event of NYC, after the St. Patrick's one, so it is surely article-worthy.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:20, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft:New York Marine Rescue Center

I created a draft for the New York Marine Rescue Center. Any help with sourcing would be appreciated! Thriley (talk) 23:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we could start with more general articles on Wildlife rehabilitation in New York or Turtles of New York. Pharos (talk) 00:32, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
I added a little on the rebrand. Definitely not secondary, but pointer for 20 years of news on the old name. Star Mississippi 02:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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Draft:MetroPlusHealth

Does it pass notability? I'm a draft reviewer who is not specializing in the area. Gryllida (talk, e-mail) 16:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York#Requested move 1 August 2023

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Lizzy Goodman, New York music journalist

I created a draft for Lizzy Goodman. She is the author of Meet Me in the Bathroom (book) about the New York indie rock scene of the 2000s. Thriley (talk) 16:57, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

FA review for Fleetwood Park Racetrack?

I've submitted Fleetwood Park Racetrack as a FA candidate. This was a horse racing track from the late 1800s / early 1900s located in what is now the Morrisania section of the Bronx. The name shares some history with Metro North's Fleetwood station. It could use some additional reviews as part of the FAC process. As a side benefit to reviewing the article, you'll get to find out why East 167th Street follows such a strange path. RoySmith (talk) 17:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Neighborhood boundaries and original research

It's obvious to people in the city that neighborhood boundaries are nebulously defined, which surprises me that we have lots of articles that pretty declaratively state at least a consensus view for boundaries. The sources for these boundaries are either not given (just using maps with boundaries drawn arbitrarily) or not great (Ditmas Park, Brooklyn uses an old community board page with a map, but community boards don't equate directly with neighborhoods and likely aren't written by authorities regardless.) Before I try tackling this, I wanted to see if I was missing anything. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 20:25, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

While there are some historic districts with official boundaries, neighborhoods are all unofficial AFAIK. Even the sorta kinda official map says it's not exhaustive and unofficial. I recall a dispute somewhere that because a source listed a few neighborhoods as part of an unofficial region, the article on that region should only list those neighborhoods. The fact that there happens to be a neighborhood smack dab in the middle of all the ones it listed was considered irrelevant because some broad-scoped source listed these neighborhoods and the existence of something between them is just OR).
I'd say for most purposes, articles about neighborhoods should be clear that they're unofficial and change over time. For the sake of providing boundaries, though, IMO we should defer to the Population FactFinder, and add to that if there are several RS that give an alternative. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
What part of the pop fact-finder are you referring to? The neighborhood tabulation units? They're supposed to be roughly analogous to neighborhoods, but given that they're built of census tract districts not neighborhood boundaries it seems a little weird to use them. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 02:03, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

When, over a decade ago, I was trying to organize and rationalize The Bronx#Neighborhoods I added (or modified) a lead paragraph that reads.

=== Neighborhoods ===

See also: List of Bronx neighborhoods, Bronx Community Board, and Timeline of town creation in Downstate New York

The number, locations, and boundaries of the Bronx's neighborhoods (many of them sitting on the sites of 19th-century villages) have become unclear with time and successive waves of newcomers. Even city officials do not necessarily agree. In a 2006 article for The New York Times, Manny Fernandez described the disagreement:

According to a Department of City Planning map of the city's neighborhoods, the Bronx has 49. The map publisher Hagstrom identifies 69. The borough president, Adolfo Carrión Jr., says 61. The Mayor's Community Assistance Unit, in a listing of the borough's community boards, names 68.[1]

Major neighborhoods of the Bronx include the following....

And that's just one boroough. —— Shakescene (talk) 03:01, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Ed Fancher, one of the founders of the Village Voice

I just created a stub for Ed Fancher. Any help with sourcing would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 20:57, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

New source on neighborhood boundaries

This should be required reading for anyone who's gotten into a debate over boundaries: An Extremely Detailed Map of New York City Neighborhoods (and the accompanying Extremely Detailed Guide). The guide certainly has a lot of details that should go into neighborhood articles. Debatable how much OR would be required to use the map -- probably too much. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:55, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, the OR issues are what make me think it's not all that useful a source for most of our articles (besides pointing out that a neighborhood's boundaries are ill-defined.) The "vast majority agree" consensus areas are way more narrow than any workable definition of neighborhoods we're using. I do think the biggest germane point it makes that might affect our coverage is that Google Maps is absolutely garbage and should never be used as a source, otherwise we're doing our part to help make up boundaries and encourage circular sourcing. I think the best uses for it are when talking about neighborhood boundaries in general, or specific examples it gives in text—for example, the Prospect Heights/Crown Heights text that's called out makes it clear the western border is pretty fixed but the eastern border has migrated with gentrification and changing demographics. Likewise there's some very good information on the formation of Cobble Hill/Boerum Hill from "South Brooklyn" into more specific neighborhoods (and there's apparently a book that covers that in more detail that will be worth picking up I imagine.)
I do think we're overdue to look at all our neighborhood coverage and rationalize it as best we can, and this will be marginally helpful. But of course, given how much people disagree, we can't really use it as a silver bullet since the reality is just as messy as the sourcing. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 15:11, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
It is true that neighborhood borders can be really fuzzy and that the actual NY Times map probably shouldn't be used as a source, since basically anyone could leave feedback there. This would make it akin to a user-generated map. However, I do still think the guide article could be used as a source for a few articles. The borders can get really blurry when you're talking about a neighborhood like Murray Hill, Manhattan.
On the whole, though, I do think the map could be useful to show the approximate borders of neighborhoods (even if we don't use it as a source). It could also probably be used to determine whether neighborhoods should merit their own articles, or whether their pages should be combined with those of other neighborhoods. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:51, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
What precisely in the guide do you think is useful for sourcing? I don't think we're in disagreement that it discusses some boundaries that can be useful, but I didn't on reading find that it really gave anything that could be used at least singularly for any specific neighborhood's boundaries versus certain edges. It's also got the 1919 map of Brooklyn, which at least gives some concrete historical areas to work from. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 19:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
I was thinking that we could add a brief sentence to some NYC neighborhood articles, like "Neighborhood borders in New York City are not well defined", and use the NYT guide as a source. The main takeaway from this article is that neither the city nor secondary sources (even generally reliable ones like the NYT itself) can describe the boundaries of most neighborhoods with 100% accuracy. There's probably a few exceptions like Roosevelt Island and Morningside Heights, but for the most part, the fact that neighborhood borders can be fuzzy is itself a useful detail to add to articles.
I was also intrigued by how some readers said that certain neighborhoods, like NoHo and Nolita, don't exist. There might be a case for adding something like that to articles, though we can't exactly say "According to a NYT poll, some readers don't think NoHo exists". Rather, the guide would be a good jumping-off point for finding sources about neighborhoods whose very existence is disputed. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:06, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

7 World Trade Center featured article review

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Ingrid Lewis-Martin, top advisor of Eric Adams

I recently created a draft for Ingrid Lewis-Martin. Any help with sourcing would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 14:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Peer review request for American Bank Note Company Printing Plant

This is a fascinating building in the South Bronx, designated a New York City landmark. Built in 1909, this was an industrial printing plant on the cutting edge of modern (for the day) technology. The neighborhood suffered from urban decay in the latter part of the 20th century, during which period this building also outlived its original use. This building has been renovated and repurposed as commercial space, taking advantage of the high ceilings and abundant natural lighting inherent in its original design as a printing plant, and has served as an anchor point for the revitalization of the area. I'm trying to get it into shape for WP:FAC and would appreciate input from Wikiproject NYC. Review page is Wikipedia:Peer review/American Bank Note Company Printing Plant/archive2. RoySmith (talk) 01:03, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Bob Contant

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Draft:Association for a Better New York

I have started a draft at Draft:Association for a Better New York, but haven't had time to dig into it. If someone wants to take it over, that would be great. BD2412 T 14:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@BD2412, just wanted to give a heads up to you and others considering it I'm taking it over since it seems very relevant to WP:NYHOUSING. Help on it is still welcome ofc. Best regards, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 21:19, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks! BD2412 T 21:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Neighborhoods and demographic/crime/health data

I'm working on Flatbush with an eye to expansion, but it also currently contains a lot of crime, health, and demographic information, clearly modeled on the structure of town/city articles, which makes a certain level of sense. The problem as I see it (and which the article presently sort of points out) is that this information doesn't align 1:1 with Flatbush as a neighborhood, even given how nebulous NYC neighborhoods generally are (as discussed above and in the archives.) I know there was some disagreement on these stats inclusions elsewhere and it was suggested an RfC happen here or at WikiProject Cities, but to my knowledge that never occurred (Epicgenius or Horse Eye's Back can you check me on that?) My gut instinct here is that it's a bit off to apply citywide-style data to neighborhoods, especially given the overlap in areas; if we're going to include it, wouldn't the more accurate and reasonable target be the Community Boards themselves, which do properly map to the statistics? (e.g. the Flatbush stuff should get moved to Brooklyn Community Board 14.) And if we do use content that has a weak fit with what we're discussing (e.g. the neighborhood tabulation units) then those caveats need to be more explicitly addressed in prose to avoid giving the wrong ideas. Thoughts? Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 22:19, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe we ever had an RfC... My memory is that we came to an understanding that the range of contexts is rather large especially when you go beyond the United States so the applicability of that sort of data to neighborhood articles needs to be determined on a case by case basis. I am not knowledgable enough about NYC to comment with any certainty on whether or not those statistics map onto the underlying neighborhoods well enough to be used. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 23:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
@David Fuchs, thanks for the ping. Horse Eye's Back seems to be correct—we never had an RFC about this, at least to my knowledge, and the inclusion of this data depends on several factors that should preferably be discussed individually.
As to the crime, health, and demographic information, I do think the first two could probably be copied over to the community board articles. The majority of NYC neighborhoods fall within one community district, though (and for neighborhoods that fall within more than one community district, you can just use data from multiple districts, as was done with the Crown Heights, Brooklyn article).
Demographic data is a lot more granular, however, and census tracts often don't align perfectly with community district boundaries like the crime and health data are. I would keep demographic data in the neighborhood articles, even if we're only using estimates, since I assume many readers will be looking for demographic data when they search for neighborhoods. On the other hand, it would be good to clarify that (if we include demographic data in neighborhood articles) the data is only an estimate. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:56, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Okay. When I get to it I'll migrate most of the content over to the community board and give a more executive summary with explicit callouts on the limitations. In conjunction with the text acknowledging the squishiness of the borders that might be clear enough. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 16:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Anthora cup

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Requested move at Talk:Nathan Hale (statue)#Requested move 6 January 2024

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Proper WP:VA listing

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  1. ^ As Maps and Memories Fade, So Do Some Bronx Boundary Lines by Manny Fernandez, The New York Times, September 16, 2006, retrieved on August 3, 2008
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