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Year in country pages

Would appreciate input at this discussion, concerning when to use/not use 'start/end' dates in "Year in country" pages. Note - the same discussion occurred 12 months ago, with minimal input. It's a topic, that effects all Year in country pages. GoodDay (talk) 17:12, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm considering opening an RFC 'here' on this matter concerning all "Year in Great Britain" & "Year in the United Kingdom" pages. GoodDay (talk) 19:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

RfC: Year/Decade in England, Great Britain & United Kingdom pages, concerning the "Incumbents" section

The following discussion is an archived record of a request for comment. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus for C. Unanimous support for this option, and while some editors preferred other options those didn't receive enough support to get a consensus. BilledMammal (talk) 22:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

How should the parliament & members be shown in the "Year in" & "Decade in" pages for England, Great Britain & the United Kingdom's Incumbents' section? Let's use 2024 in the United Kingdom for an example. GoodDay (talk) 21:16, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

A) Parliament – 58th
B) Parliament – elected 2019
C) Exclude mention of legislature & members. As is done in the "Year in Scotland", "Year in Wales" & "Year in Northern Ireland" pages.

Survey II

A or C - either will do. GoodDay (talk) 21:18, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
C for me. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:16, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Either B or C for me. KaraLG84 (talk) 22:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
B or C for me. As DeFacto says, "the ordinal number is not generally known or used in the UK, so should not be used in the article". Number 5 7 15:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Discussion II

The A option is my first choice, as we've been using it for years on these pages. As for the C option? One need only look at Year/Decade pages like 1450s in England, where it's quite cumbersome. GoodDay (talk) 21:23, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Keep in mind that even if a consensus is reached here, the editors of any individual year and country can decide that an exception should be made for that particular article—WikiProjects serve as hubs for a certain topic, but they don't dictate content beyond an advisory role. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:49, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Opening up hundreds of RFCs for each page, would've been chaotic. GoodDay (talk) 21:54, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

The ordinal number is not generally known or used in the UK, so should not be used in the article. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Folks, we could use more input here. Don't leave it up to just two editors. GoodDay (talk) 16:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

The option to exclude them does not seam to be a good one as it could be something that you are seeking. I would suggest a combination of A & B. Keith D (talk) 01:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Regarding A: What's "58th" supposed to mean?? 58th what? I've no clue how that's counted but I've never seen Parliaments in the UK given ordinal numbers. It looks like someone has, using WP:OR, imported the US system of giving Congresses ordinal numbers. This is the article to which "58th" is pipelinked: List of MPs elected in the 2019 United Kingdom general election. There's no reference to 58th of anything in that article. It's pure WP:EGG. DeCausa (talk) 22:35, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

I've just googled 58th Parliament and from the results only Wikipedia calls the current UK Parliament the 58th. DeCausa (talk) 22:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

@DeCausa: Which option do you recommend? GoodDay (talk) 22:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Well B is recognisable. But to be honest, I'm not that bothered: a more important issue is getting rid of this weird OR numbering of parliaments generally. DeCausa (talk) 22:55, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

We have the C option - delete. The legislature isn't shown in the Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland Year pages. GoodDay (talk) 23:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

As I say, I don't really care between B and C. A much bigger concern is how this weird ordinal numbering is peppered around, as I now find, quite a few articles usually in Infoboxes eg Second May ministry which is just WP:EGG, as well as being WP:OR. DeCausa (talk) 23:05, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

It would help, if you chose an option within the scope of this RFC. GoodDay (talk) 21:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@DeFacto:, I requested closure. GoodDay (talk) 22:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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