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The name Movses provides is Gregory, not Gregoris. And the fact that Amaras was and is an Armenian monastery in every sense of the word is heavily substantiated by third party sources. See, e.g., here and see the National Geographic article on Amaras in volume 205: no.1-3 (2004). I hate coming to sift through the BS from all the articles you edit so keep it out.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 22:24, 11 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Amaras became an Armenian monastery after the subordination of the Church of Caucasian Albania to the Armenian Apostolic Church in 705. According to Moses of K., it was founded by Gregory the Illuminator in Albania, not Armenia:
"Приняв затем сан первосвященника [страны], пошел он просвещать страны Иверию и Алуанк. Прибыв в гавар hАбанд, он поучал и наставлял не преступать заповеди Сына Божьего. Здесь начал он постройку церкви в Амарасе и назначил работников и мастеров, чтобы закончить ее. Вернувшись в Армению, он освятил и возвел вместо себя на свой трон первосвященника сына своего Вртанэса..." (I.XIV)
Throughout the book, the monastery is mentioned exclusively as being supervised by an Albanian bishop:
"Вам, слушающим и рассказывающим в наши дни среди жителей Северного края, особенно [среди] всех колеблющихся насчет твердости таинства, владыке Мхитару – епископу Амараса, Симеону – епископу Мец Иранка и другим епископам святой церкви – единомышленникам вашим, азатам и другим [представителям] народа Алуанка". (From the letter of the Armenian patriach Abraham to the people of Albania, II.XLIX)
"Потому все мы, Симэон – католикос Алуанка, Иовhаннэс – епископ Капалака, Симэон – епископ hОша, Саhак – епископ Амараса, святолюб Кшик – танутэр монастыря Нерсмиhра со всей братией своей, оставшейся непричастной к ереси, танутэр монастыря Гюта, танутэр монастыря Катарованк, танутэр монастыря Иовсепа, Давид – монах из монастыря Каланкатуйка, Петрос – монах из монастыря Ткракерта, Павлос – монах из монастыря Алацоба." (From the dzernark issued by the Albanian church council in 705, III.VIII).
"Владыка Иоhан – лет двадцать пять, был призван на престол из епископии Амараса." (From the list of Albanian hairapets, III.XXIV) Parishan (talk) 04:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If there is an Albanian Church connection at that early period, then that should be mentioned, as long as it is not done with the intention of denying the Armenian origin of the monastery. BTW, anyone know who is "King Aranshaghik Vachagan" who constructed the tomb? Is there an alternative spelling for it? Meowy 22:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It must be Vachagan III the Pious, the last king of Caucasian Albania, see Arsacid Dynasty of Caucasian Albania, whoes seat was in the fortress of Guetakan in Artsakh. He is seen as an importan figure in the history of NK. There are many traditions about him left --Vacio (talk) 08:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aghvank and Albania[edit]

Let's not confuse two entities. One is Caucasian Albania of Strabo, an obscure land located on the eastern bank of Kura River and populated by some 26 obscure tribes. An almost completely different thing is the Kingdom of Aghvank, an Armenian-ruled entity based on Armenia's provinces of Artsakh and Utik where language, culture and majority of population were Armenian. Kingdom of Aghvank was an Armenian kingdom in its own right. I am amazed how Azerbaijanis are using the terms dzernark, танутэр, hairapets without asking themselves about the origin of these Armenian words. Maybe they believe those are "Albanian" words? Amaras was an Armenian monastery based on Armenian land but outside of the united Kingdom of Armenia - in one of the many Armenian kingdoms/principalities. .. և ձեր բոլորի մասնակցությունը անհրաժեշտ է լեռնային ղարաբաղի էջի վրա, ոչ թե այստեղ. Capasitor (talk) 00:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Capasitor,I don't think some of the recent edits you made are improving the article. For example. there is no need to reproduce in a photo-caption material that is already in the article, nor add names written using Armenian script. The details that I wrote about the tomb are taken from the booklet "Amaras" by M. Hasranyan. The tomb does have a barrel-vault (it is depicted in a drawing in the book). Meowy 22:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but English is not good here and it is M. Hasratyan not Hasranyan! by the way who saud that Grgoris was "the first patriarch of the Church of Caucasian Albania?" He was an patriarch of Armenia's Church, no? That is what I read in M.Kaghankatvatsy. Capasitor (talk) 23:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's "Hasranyan" on my copy, the text of which is in English. Meowy 03:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is so funny :). Prof. Murad Hasratyan/Hasratian is a well-known specialist on early medieval Armenian architecture. Tip: type "Murad Hasratyan" in Google, then type "Murad Hasratyan" and you will see the difference. There is also his CV in French there in PDF format. Trust me. Here is a another good work of his [1] Capasitor (talk) 03:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed the spelling to "Hasratyan" since it seems to be an obvious printers (or translators) error. Meowy 16:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Albanian monastery in Azerbaijan[edit]

Amaras monastery is an old albanian monastery situated in Khojaend rayon of Azerbaijan, which was occupied by armenian troops.--Interfase (talk) 10:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry buddy, this church has nothing to do with Albania. Serouj (talk) 16:54, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I talk about Caucasian Albania, buddy.--Interfase (talk) 03:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss your changes first in the talk section here before adding such controversial statements. First of all, the monastery is located in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Second, it is an Armenian church. Serouj (talk) 06:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The territory of Nagorno-Karabakh is a part of Azerbaijan. There is no another republic in Azerbaijan, this territory was occupied bu armenian troops. And monastery was an albanian monastery (read in sourse).--Interfase (talk) 08:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the purposes of monasteries in the NKR, we will be using the map of NKR as: (1) NKR is a de facto republics, and (2) showing the monastery in the map of NKR is the practical thing to do, as that is how you would get to the monastery -- using the map of the NKR. In addition, the NKR map is more detailed than showing the whole of AZ. As to this monastery being "Albanian" -- even though it may have been founded by an Albanian king, the monastery was de facto Armenian after the 7th century when the Caucasian Albanian state and people ceased to exist. Serouj (talk) 09:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't say that we cannot use a map of NKR (unless we have not more detailed map with church in Khojavend rayon), But territory where situated monastery is in Azerbaijan, in Khojavend rayon. And this church was founded as albanian church.--Interfase (talk) 12:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. So I restored the NKR map but added that the Category "Church of Caucasian Albania." If you have a reliable source, please add that it was founded by an Albanian king (I believe Vakhtang). Serouj (talk) 16:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, looks like the article says it was founded by Saint Gregory the Illuminator (an Armenian) and then it was renovated by the Albanian king Vakhtang. Either way, the template named "Armenian Churches" stays. Serouj (talk) 16:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Location is Azerbaijan.--Interfase (talk) 04:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am trying to reach compromise and you are simply reverting my edits. Let me warn you of the 3 Revert Rule in Wikipedia as well as the provisions of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Amended Remedies and Enforcement. Please consider yourself warned of these provisions.
Coming to the point, this monastery is de facto in the NK Republic. Your removal of this fact is considered vandalism. Furthermore, you are removing the "Armenian Churches" template, which is another act of vandalism. If you continue this behavior, you will be reported to an administrator. Serouj (talk) 05:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The monastery is de facto in the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. As such, as a compromise, we can mention that it is in NKR de facto. Upon clicking the NKR Republic article, they can then see that it is de jure a part of Azerbaijan. Serouj (talk) 08:27, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Another act of vandalism by you is the unjustified replacement of "Azerbaijani" with "Armenian" in the following sentence: "In 1992 Azerbaijani troops briefly occupied the site during the Nagorno-Karabakh War." I suggest you make the correction yourself. Serouj (talk) 08:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because armenian troops occupied Khojavend.

1. The Parliamentary Assembly regrets that, more than a decade after the armed hostilities started, the conflict over the Nagorno-Karabakh region remains unsolved. Hundreds of thousands of people are still displaced and live in miserable conditions. Considerable parts of the territory of Azerbaijan are still occupied by Armenian forces, and separatist forces are still in control of the Nagorno-Karabakh region[2]

How can azerbaijanians occupied there own territory? Can you show me a sourse where you found it?--Interfase (talk) 09:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To say that "In 1992 Armenian troops briefly occupied the site during the Nagorno-Karabakh War" is a blatant non-sense, even according to your PoV (according to your PoV, Armenian troops are still occupying it). Sardur (talk) 10:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
On top, the source does not support the sentence: Amaras is even not mentioned. Sardur (talk) 11:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The mountainous region of Karabakh, mostly occupied by Armenians, is formally under Azerbaijani jurisdiction, so I wrote that location is Azerbaijan.

There is not a sourse that In 1992 Azerbaijanian troops briefly occupied the site during the Nagorno-Karabakh War. So I remove it.--Interfase (talk) 04:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interfase, be careful not to delete text as you did in your last edit. Furthermore, Amaras is de facto located in the NKR and therefore that is the location we will use. The status of NKR is a side-issue and does not affect this article. Serouj (talk) 04:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, there is not a sourse that In 1992 Azerbaijanian troops briefly occupied the site during the Nagorno-Karabakh War. Location of monastery is under Azerbaijan juresdiction.--Interfase (talk) 07:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you continue to vandalize this page, you will be reported to an administrator and your account may be blocked from Wikipedia. You are deleting text and claiming that this monastery is in a country which it is not. You will be reported if you continue this behavior. Serouj (talk) 07:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your action here looks like a vandalizm. You delete a sourses, added information without any sourses, and show NKR as a location. There is no another countrey in Azerbaijan.--Interfase (talk) 07:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um... NKR is a de facto independent republic. It's not part of Azerbaijan. Get your facts right. Serouj (talk) 07:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no any country that recognize NKR. This area is under occupation.--Interfase (talk) 07:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What occupation? That area is historically Armenia. Go study history. Northern Artsakh (historically Armenia) is what is under occupation by Azerbaijan. A man with no idea of history is like a man with no eyes or ears. Serouj (talk) 08:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You must study history. Armenians live in Karabakh sinse XVIII century.

In 1828-1830, shortly after their conquest of the southwestern Caucasus, the Russians resettled 57000 Armenians from Turkey and Iran in Armenia and Nakhichevan. Smaller numbers also settled in Karabakh, where the villages of Melikjanlu, Tsakuri and Maragha were founded by Persian Armenians. The historians do not seem to have clarified what proportion of the 19000 Armenians who lived in Karabakh in the 1830s were settlers (a half, a quarter, a tenth?), but many clearly were. [3]

This limited population may be ascribed to the frequent wars which have long desolated the province, and to the emigration to Persia of many Mohammedan families since its subjection to Russia, although many Armenians were induced by the Russian government, after the peace of Toorkmanchay, to emigrate from Persia to Karabagh. [4]

The Russian campaigns against the Persians and the Turks in the 18th and 19th centuries resulted in large emigrations of Armenians under Muslim rule to the Transcaucasian provinces of the Russian Empire and to Russia itself. Armenians settled in Yerevan, Tʿbilisi, Karabakh, Shemakha (now Şamaxı), Astrakhan, and Bessarabia. At the time of the massacres in Turkish Armenia in 1915, some Armenians found asylum in Russia. A number settled in the enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh within the neighbouring Muslim country of Azerbaijan. Armenians now constitute about three-fourths of the population of Nagorno-Karabakh; since 1988 there have been violent interethnic disputes and sporadic warfare between Armenians and Azerbaijanis in and around the enclave. [5]

Now show me a sourse saying that Azerbaijani troops occupied the territory. No sourse, I remove this. --Interfase (talk) 08:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LOL you have no idea of history. The very monastery was founded in the 4th century by the ARMENIAN Saint Gregory the Illuminator. Your kind were still roaming the steppes of Central Asia at that time. Serouj (talk) 09:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where you get this information about St Gregory? Who says you that he was armenian?--Interfase (talk) 09:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Gregory the Illuminator is the Patron Saint of Armenia. Don't you know? Serouj (talk) 09:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Azerbaijan is not executing judicial authority over NKR, therefore the term "de jure" does not apply to Martuni or any other part of NKR. And it is a disputed territory. Per Wiki's policy of neutrality (NPOV), we should make no judgment as to the present or future status or NKR and territories it controls. Present language just states the facts, with no bias. Also, no source of this biased info was included. Aptak (talk) 00:53, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalizm by de facto Republic supporters[edit]

Please, respect to the unity of sovereign countries that accepted by United Nations. No ethnic separatism and jingoism in Wikipedia!--Quzeyli 07:56, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Please sea Talk:Yeghishe_Arakyal_Monastery#Vandalizm by de facto Republic supporters. --Vacio (talk) 06:47, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted: there is no legal entity called "Martuni district" or "NK region" in Azerbaijan. Stop introducing false information in the article. Sardur (talk) 21:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, on location map, a solution could be a double location map, like on the WP:fr article. Sardur (talk) 00:23, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And yet you carry on! there's no "Martuni rayon", it has been abolished by Azerbaijan itself. Sardur (talk) 13:10, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I noted below, yes, it is not distinct, it is rayon. Look at: Administrative divisions of Azerbaijan.--Quzeyli 13:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
And I repeat it, there's no "NK region" in Azerbaijan. Sardur (talk) 13:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nagorno-Karbakh doesn't have any status on Administrative divisions of Azerbaijan. --Quzeyli 13:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
This is what I said from the beginning. Both this article and Yeghishe Arakyal Monastery contain inaccuracies due to your actions. Sardur (talk) 13:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For me, use of that region's unofficial Armenian names is not big problem. However, the official status is important for territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. The best thing that we can do is adding more information about that beautiful monasteries!--144.122.135.88 (talk) 14:37, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The "territorial integrity of Azerbaijan" is of no importance here: the article should represent the current state of knowledge about this monastery. Sardur (talk) 20:53, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Khojavend Rayon[edit]

This monastery is located in Khojavend Rayon of Azerbaijan. --Quzeyli 13:25, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


"Khojavend" "rayon" does not exist in reality. Mcnabs (talk) 17:14, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • According to your logic Wikipedia also does not exist. --Quzeyli 16:06, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Quzeyli, get your head checked, or get a girlfriend. Pick one. Serouj (talk) 04:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed[edit]

This territory is now a part of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. The land was never under the control of the Republic of Azerbaijan after the fall of the Soviet Union, and it therefore makes sense that the map and location shown be that of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. To go to the subject of this article, you need a Visa for the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, not Azerbaijan. You can't even GET to the location through Azerbaijan. Serouj (talk) 04:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Map and location shown should be that of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. Mcnabs (talk) 17:06, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The dispute has been resolved. Thank you everyone for participating. Mcnabs (talk) 23:02, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This was not resolving anything. Just supporting Armenian racism! Respect to the unity of sovereign states. -- --Quzeyli 16:02, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
The "unity of sovereign states" is of no importance here: the article should represent the current state of knowledge about this monastery. Sardur (talk) 20:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is an occupied region and according UN it will solve without breaking unity of Azerbaijan. Now, this article should be acceptable for the future too. --Quzeyli 19:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quzeyli (talk • contribs)
The UN has not accorded anything over how is going to be resolved since the UN has no power over the process of peace of NK, which is under control of the OSCE Minsk Group, and according to the OSCE Minks Group, and the Republics of Armenia and Azerbaijan, the conflict is going to be resolved over the principles of peoples right to self-determination, territorial integrity, and non-use of force. So you should take that also in consideration, that territorial integrity is not the only stance on the conflict resolution, but also the right to self-determination. Now if you refer to the March 2008 non-binding resolution of the UN which supports Azerbaijan territorial integrity, I should remind you that it is a non-binding resolution, which means it has not legal weight or power, but only serves for moral support.Khio Khane (talk) 20:08, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Semi protection[edit]

For one week, excessive edit warring. Solve your dispute before you edit the article, and use the {{edit protected}} templates. SGGH ping! 11:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propaganda and revert[edit]

The external link which has again been added to the article has absolutely no place here, as it is completely of a propagandistic and unreliable nature.
On top of this, we have a new revert here by Quzeyli, who just didn't care about the preceding section. A new proof, if needed, of a disruptive behaviour from that user. Sardur (talk) 20:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, I would like to underline another result of that revert: ref 1 in the intro is now presented as supporting the exact opposite of what it says. Sardur (talk) 20:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Everybody should know that place is in borders of Azerbaijan. `NKR` is unofficial separatist administration which has not legal value. Stop wrong national propaganda on Wikipedia! First, respect to the areal integrity of Azerbaijan. Otherwise, I can also call some part of Armenia as "West Azerbaijan"... Lets, respect each other on Wikipedia regulations... --Quzeyli 16:03, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
  • The region of NK may be consider under de-jure administration of Azerbaijan, however, the reality is greatly different. NKR declared its independence from Azerbaijan and is a fully independent nation which has an own government, economy, and constitution, the fact that it is unrecognized has nothing do to with the fact that NKR has no connection to the Republic of Azerbaijan or is under its practical jurisdiction, while at the same time the Republic of Azerbaijan has no control, power, or influence on the territory of the NKR. The NKR is an independent entity from Azerbaijan which has permanent missions and representatives in countries like the USA and France, besides NKR is exercising its independence, which was achieved under the principle of self-determination by its people. However, if we start considering and "respecting" the concept of territorial integrity on nations that have build their own destiny on the pages of history, independently from what any international community, any government or organization believes, condemns, etc. then we should also start revising articles which mention Abkhazia, South Ossetia and put them as part of Georgia, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and put it as part of Cyprus, and at a larger extend, we could name a lot of other examples going from the USSR to Yugoslavia, and many more. All the countries in the world were formed under the principle human right of self-determination, if we start talking about how inviolable the territorial integrity of a nation is, then we would have to erase a lot of countries from the map and locating many territories under the jurisdiction of A or B states, and independently from whether those territories are recognized or not, because as we have seen self-determination and territorial integrity are put in practice using double standards, which is totally a hypocrite stance. Don't you think?

At the same time, Quzeyli, you have no right to label Armenia as "West Azerbaijan" because that would indeed be spreading national propaganda on Wikipedia. That doesn't even comes to the case since we are not discussing the territory that may or may not have been part of early 20th century South Caucasus states, considering also the fact that the concept of "West Azerbaijan" is indeed a nationalistic propaganda spread by the Republic of Azerbaijan, and has no international historical support, other than that spread by Azerbaijani sources or sources related to Azerbaijan.

When we are appointing something, we should do it with accuracy. That's why locating the Amaras monastery under the NKR is NOT spreading nationalistic propaganda, since we are just giving the accurate location of a place under the territory it actually is. NKR is not part of Azerbaijan because the people from NK decided it that way, it doesn't matter what Azerbaijan or the UN thinks, NKR is independent from Azerbaijan, not only in theory but in practice, and that is enough for it to be considered independent. Then again, if we don't want to start fighting over who's right or who's wrong, why don't we edit the page on the Amaras monastery locating it de-facto on the Martuni region of NKR, and de-jure on the Khojavend rayon of Azerbaijan? The same practice is done over a lot of other articles concerning villages, towns, etc. relating to NKR in Wikipedia.

Also, I will delete the link on External Links which present the War Against Azerbaijan Targeting Cultural Heritage. Because as Quzeyli said, Wikipedia is no place to spread nationalistic propaganda. Khio Khane (talk) 19:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would only add that having a dispute on such an article about NKR/Az is stupid: the issue should be raised on the main articles (Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and Azerbaijan), and not on every articles about Armenian monasteries in the area. Sardur (talk) 21:29, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unofficial Country[edit]

Acoording to the map created by United Nations, Nagorno Karabakh region is a part of Azerbaijan. Please, stop unhealthy nationalism and letting misinformation! --144.122.248.206 (talk) 13:51, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious: could you just tell me how to access the site once you're in Azerbaijan? Sardur (talk) 20:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Considerable parts of the territory of Azerbaijan are still occupied by Armenian forces, and separatist forces are still in control of the Nagorno-Karabakh region [1]. or here
  • They recalled that following the 1991-1994 armed conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, a substantial part of the region's population was forced to flee their homes and are still living as displaced persons in those countries or as refugees abroad[2]. or here
  • Despite a ten-year ceasefire between Armenia and Azerbaijan, about 528,000 of the 800,000 ethnic Azeris from the Nagorno-Karabakh region remained internally displaced[3]. or here
Please, check references.--144.122.135.88 (talk) 13:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No link with the monastery. The article should represent the current knowledge and the current situation, and give the most useful informations. It should not be transformed into an irredentist article. Sardur (talk) 21:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are about location of monasteries which have been occupied.

"Current knowledge": Nagorno-Karabakh still is a part of Azerbaijan and near 1 million Azerbaijani Turks and Kurds are refugee from there. "Current situation": Considerable parts of the territory of Azerbaijan are still occupied by Armenian forces, and separatist forces are still in control of the Nagorno-Karabakh region. see ref --144.122.135.88 (talk) 05:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They are about monasteries. Keep your point to the NKR article and stop your disruptive behaviour. Sardur (talk) 05:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I proved and edited just formal location of monasteries, not historical and architectural info of these monasteries. Stop separatist propaganda! --144.122.135.88 (talk) 14:25, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Amaras is not mentionned in any of your links. Sardur (talk) 18:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted the last revert as it was done by a sock/meat account. Should I be reverted (which I do not hope), there's no need to fix the map size at 400: 275 is far more regular, and 300 is the default map size. Sardur (talk) 20:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are about the location of monasteries which has been occupied. The monasteries are in the borders of Azerbaijan. --Hay-siken (talk) 06:25, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Whether it is or isn't, your comment doesn't show a relevant map for it's location and how to access it de facto from Azerbaijan. Aregakn (talk) 10:24, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/AdoptedText/TA05/ERES1416.htm
  2. ^ http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/Press/StopPressView.asp?ID=1247
  3. ^ http://www.refugees.org/countryreports.aspx?cid=1301

Open Yur Blind Eyes[edit]

That monastery is located in AZERBAIJAN! Stop propaganda in WIKIPEDIA! --144.122.250.211 (talk) 12:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stop your meat/sock puppetry. If you don't, nobody will listen to you. Sardur (talk) 12:51, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Considerable parts of the territory of Azerbaijan are still occupied by Armenian forces, and separatist forces are still in control of the Nagorno-Karabakh region. or here
  • They recalled that following the 1991-1994 armed conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan, a substantial part of the region's population was forced to flee their homes and are still living as displaced persons in those countries or as refugees abroad. or here
  • Despite a ten-year ceasefire between Armenia and Azerbaijan, about 528,000 of the 800,000 ethnic Azeris from the Nagorno-Karabakh region remained internally displaced. or here
Are`t they enough for you to believe that Nagorno-Karabakh is a part of Azerbaijan Republic? You just abuse confidence of Wikipedia for your separatist propaganda.Dişi-BOZQURD (talk) 23:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Stop your meat/sock puppetry. If you don't, nobody will listen to you. Sardur (talk) 23:55, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Welldone Dişi-BOZQURD! --144.122.124.34 (talk) 07:26, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Stop your meat/sock puppetry. If you don't, nobody will listen to you. Sardur (talk) 09:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These references are enough to prove. Actually, I can't see any counter view. Kardashians (talk) 17:12, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The legal status of the region is disputed so what you (in plural) do is not more than propaganda. Aregakn (talk) 20:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Referances above show that legal status of the region is not disputed. Please, check them. Kardashians (talk) 11:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Stop your meat/sock puppetry. If you don't, nobody will listen to you. Sardur (talk) 14:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit War[edit]

An edit war is began in here by the user Chipmunkdavis. We have plenty sources claiming that this is Caucasian Albanian Church by architecture (please, compare with Church of Kish), it was built in Caucasian Albania, by the Caucasian Albanian people. How many more proofs do we need to show that this is pure Caucasian Albanian church? --46.18.68.214 (talk) 17:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Where are your proofs that it was built by Caucasian Albanians, in Caucasian Albania? If the church was in founded in the early 4th century that the region, was still part of Armenia. But even after its attachment to CA in 387 it is believed that the region remained culturally Armenian. --vacio 17:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any proof that after annexation of Karabakh to Caucasian Albania, the region remained Armenian? --46.18.68.214 (talk) 18:49, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There are many sources quoted in the articles Artsakh, Caucasian Albania and other articles related to the history of the region. --vacio 20:09, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit War 2[edit]

The attribution of Movses and Pavstos relates them to the Armenian literary tradition, not only to their ethnic origin. Keep this in mind. Sprutt (talk) 02:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:INFOBOXFLAG[edit]

@Addictedtohistory: Hi, you added back the flags with reason WP:INFOBOXFLAG states "Examples of acceptable exceptions include infobox templates for military conflicts.... "Infobox templates for military conflicts" here refers to {{Infobox military conflict}}, aka battles/wars, not everything related to a conflict. Therefore, I have reverted your edit. Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 16:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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