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12 December 2005[edit]

The Blackforest Cherry Cake is not orginally from Black Forest. A baker from Bonn-Bad Godesberg claims to be the inventor, but has no real proof. Look on the German wikipedia information which is correct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.158.6.192 (talk • contribs) 07:05, 12 December, 2005 (UTC).

Black Forest[edit]

I removed the reference to the Black Forest, because the German Wikipedia claims that it is commonly accepted that the Black Forest Gateau does not come from the Black Forest. The possible reasons for the name, that are mentioned on the German Wiki are:

  • The black chocolate topping reminds of the black forest
  • The ingrediant Kirschwasser was mainly produced in the Black Forrest
  • A predecessor cake called "Black Forest Cake" (which shouldn't come from the Black Forest either)

13th best known German cake?[edit]

I'd like to see a reference for this, not because I'm a "only sourced material" N<rest of N-word elided ;)>, but because I'm curious what the other cakes are/were (I'm german) --jae 20:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move from Black Forest gateau to Black Forest cake[edit]

I thought the most common name should be used for article titles. I can't say I've ever heard the latter name used. If there's a policy stating that non-English words shouldn't appear in titles, then I haven't seen it. Please link accordingly. - Dudesleeper / Talk 13:40, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've never known it to be called Black Forest Cake, always Black Forest Gateau. I'm assuming the former title is down to American English. --Factorylad (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As an American, I've only ever heard it referred to as "Black Forest Cherry Cake". Black Forest Cake sounds to me like the same thing without the cherries. 69.95.239.170 (talk) 19:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Another American who knows it only as Black Forest cake. --Clubjuggle T/C 01:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is another article that shows wikipedia's American bias. I am not British and I know it as Black Forest gateaux. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Realtóg (talk • contribs) 13:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We use the most common name for an article's subject for the title. Googling demonstrates that for every instance of "black forest gateau", there are 9.8 instances of "black forest cake". Carl.bunderson (talk) 06:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see that as valid reasoning. If anything, bearing in mind its origin, the torte from the original German name should be used in its English name. - Dudesleeper / Talk 08:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How isn't it valid reasoning? Naming policy is pretty clear that we use the most common name, ceteris paribus. Nowhere near as many persons say black forest gateau or torte as do cake, so the policy would dictate it stays where it is. Carl.bunderson (talk) 09:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nowhere near as many persons... So, because North America is more populous than Europe, the former gets its way? - Dudesleeper / Talk 09:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Effectively, yes. "use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things". As "black forest cake" is most common, we use that one. Carl.bunderson (talk) 21:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, that is NOT the policy for dialectical variation. The policy for articles like this, where any dialect could be used, is to maintain whatever version the article uses. The original change was against policy, but unfortunately we'll have to stay with this as it is now the change has been made. --81.158.148.32 (talk) 16:22, 5 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"The English Wikipedia does not prefer any major national variety of the language. Within the English Wikipedia no variety is considered more correct than another."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Retaining_the_existing_variety
It's absolutely ridiculous that someone changed it from its original style to an Americanised one, and now you say "we'll have to stay with this as it is now the change has been made."
Well what if I were to change it back? Then a change would've been made again. You can't just pick and choose which changes are significant; the original article said Gateau, so it should stay that way, irrelevant of what percentage of the world speak English or American English. Wikipedia has no preference for the masses when it comes to variety in English. 94.14.126.93 (talk) 01:30, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bloody Yanks are experts at revisionism and destroying other people's culture! I have nothing against Americans per se, I'm just sick of the rampant Americanisation that is taking place. It's called Black Forest Gateau! I think the prevailing American attitude is: Let them eat cake... just as long as we can choose what it's called. Why not have done with it and call it Black Forest Ghetto? I mean, come on, let's be inclusive! : -) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.238.223.43 (talk) 00:17, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As an American, I've only seen Black Forest Cake until I looked it up online. Wikipedia policy is to use the most common name. To your displeasure, American-English has quite a large amount of speaker and influences the world more than British-English. Please don't dish it out on us "bloody Yanks"; That is just the way the cookie crumbles. In instances where the subject matter is more popular with Britain, then the British English name is used (can't think of any exmaples at the moment, but they exist). I personally think it should be referred to as Black Forest gâteau in this article because the of the endearing history it has in Britain. It seems to be on the same level as Americans regard pecan pie. To me, it's just another chocolate supermarket cake with cherries on top. --KaffirLemon (talk) 19:31, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't that be how the biscuit cracks or whatever the British say (as obviously no one understands "American English" or as we say over here "English")? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 01:07, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A lie?[edit]

To the person calling Black Forest cake ... why do you think this is a lie? Explain. WadeSimMiser (talk) 02:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He's referencing the video game Portal.
Hi, this is the person who edited the article referencing to Portal. The above person is correct. In portal, a cake is constantly mentioned through out the game, but is never identified until after the credits upon completion of the game. The cake is shown on a table in a storage room and is indeed a Black Forest Cake, so this would really mean it wasn't a lie. The lie is the protagonist ever having the cake, since the Antagonist tries to kill the protagonist. Sorry for any mistakes in spelling or grammar in my statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.233.5 (talk) 19:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is actually possible to gain access to the cake, but the one that you are promised throughout the game is a lie. That "cake" consists of death by incineration. There is indeed a Black Forest cake hidden under the Aperture Science test facility. 77.66.99.28 (talk) 06:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


~Because of the cake's significance in portal I am adding a small sentence about it to the history section, I dont edit wikipedia very actively, therefore I am not versed in the regulations, so if you have a reason why recent history of the cake is irrelevant please put it beyond this squiggly line.--50.135.112.85 (talk) 22:48, 8 April 2012 (UTC) ~[reply]

I think an obscure reference in a video game doesn't quite qualify as "noteable", except perhaps in a Cultural References section (and even then probably not). Tidle Tidlee Tidley Tildie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.6.56 (talk) 01:09, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Obscure? Just type "the cake" into Google, my friend, and you will see that you are sorely mistaken. 67.176.198.143 (talk) 22:17, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, Portal itself has received more notable attention than the cake, I think. I feel as though the sentence should be readded. TophatGuy14 (talk) 01:58, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Who originally created the Black Forest Cake?[edit]

Just curious if anyone knows this. --Mcvittal (talk) 21:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IPA[edit]

I'd love to see the IPA information for Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte -- Gohnarch░░░░ 20:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Torte, Gateau, Cake[edit]

Have to agree with recent reverts, the confection is not prevalently known in the English language as a torte or gateau. Dr. Dan (talk) 02:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. It's only called a gateau in England, and that's where English comes from.Gymnophoria (talk) 15:52, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Black Forest[edit]

Whether it originated there, I did have the opportunity to eat some of this prepared by a German family in the Black Forest region. One tip for those making this, the chocolate cake had considerably less sugar than American cakes, and the whipped cream was sweet (and was real whipped cream, not a white colored chemical foam). The constrast with the semisweetness of the cake was amazing. DonPMitchell (talk) 02:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Black Forest link[edit]

I've removed the first of two links to the Black Forest wiki page. I know that normally the first mention of a word or phrase is linked but in this instance, since the history section states that the cake (torte) isn't actually named for the region, I felt that it made more sense to leave the link that is already in the history section. Wolfhound668 (talk) 13:37, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Dubious[edit]

It is highly unlikely that the first written mention in German was in 1934 (as the article currently claims), since the OED lists the following English example from 1930:

  • 1930 Manch. Guardian 6 June 8/3, I tasted a wonderful piece of confectionery most poetically called Black Forest cherry tree tart!

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The Reference " "A "Day Trip" to Stuttgart, Germany for Tanjong Pagar Residents". S-One Expo. 2012-12-06. Retrieved 2013-09-16." is no longer accessible and should be removed --2A02:8070:E84:5E00:819C:6A93:5A:209B (talk) 15:13, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm German and the recipe in the link made me cringe because it's nowhere near the original. Here's a recipe that's much closer to the way it's made here: https://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/german-black-forest-cake One more thing, I don't know if it's relevant but here in Germany cakes aren't eaten for dessert. They are eaten in the afternoon with a cup of coffee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.83.146.189 (talk) 14:05, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Gateau/gâteau[edit]

Article title has "gateau" where body has "gâteau". Should the article be moved? --Anthrcer (click to talk to me) 11:10, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki inconsistencies[edit]

This article should simply bear the German name of this cake, Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte.

the cake is a lie[edit]

THE CAKE FROM PORTAL NO FAKE!!!11!!1 (sorry I find this funny) 2A02:C7C:BCF8:3500:6538:7F4C:587D:845A (talk) 17:44, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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