Talk:Bulgarian cuisine

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Help welcomed[edit]

Assistance with gyuvetch and mekitsas welcomed. I wanted to start tolumbichki, but I couldn't find enough information on it. It's a syrupy fried dough of some sort? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:37, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I rewrote your gyuvetch article based on info from the Bulgarian Wikipedia article and placed it at Gyuvech, which is the official transliteration of the name. I hope you like it. Preslav (talk) 09:36, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mekitsa already existed, so I redirected your article there. Preslav (talk) 09:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. This is totally wrong, people!! Half of the dishes are Turkish and not Bulgarian! Come on! Kyopolou, baklava, tulumbi, lokum, etc. these are NOT bulgarian. The cuisine became mixed in the years of the turkish reign, but these are not national specialties! 95.87.201.145 (talk) 02:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC) Many of these dishes are also considered national in Greece and in Cyprus. Besides, national cuisine is considered to be the dishes that are traditionally cooked by the people and considered local. All of the dishes you mentioned are. (Otherwise we can also remove the pizza and the pasta from the Italian cuisine, since the first was invented in the US and the second was first made and is still traditional for China and other Asian cuisines). That being said, I find this remark absolutely irrelevant. We can also speak about Lokum, also known as Turkish Delight as there is enough of proof that it was actually invented it what is nowadays Karlovo in Bulgaria and one can speculate that the Turkish took it from the Bulgarian cuisine much like the Rakia. However, you should check the definition of the words "national cuisine" as you seem to be misunderstanding them. You can also check on some history to see that the "Turkish reign" was actually occupation of Bulgarian territories and it's logical that the occupants actually learned how to make food with the products available locally from the local people and not the other way around. 78.86.82.106 (talk) 18:00, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Stuffed Pepppers The Picture showing stuffed peppers is not ideal since the peppers used are not typical Bulgarian. They are Bell Peppers and Bulgarians usually cook with longer thinner peppers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.214.241 (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2012 (UTC) The Bulgarian Kebab with rice picture is also wrong. That is not at ALL what Bulgarian Kebab looks like. The picture is just a homemade casserole or manja. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.214.241 (talk) 16:19, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No Bulgar ,Turkish Cuisine[edit]

Many foods and dishes of Turkish cuisine here is not mutfak bulunmaktadır.Bulgaria these foods. ---Actually, these foods are Bulgarian, Turks took many foods from Bulgaria and changed the names and got away with it because Bulgaria was under "Ottoman" rule for 500 years. Turks took many foods from the Balkans especially Bulgaria and from middle eastern countries as well. Ottoman does not= Turkish only, the Ottoman Empire was multicultural and people from those areas that were under Ottoman Rule still made their own foods. [1]

example: yogurt, buttermilk, Stew, Shkembe chorba,Sish kebab

Yogurt,Ayran,Yahni,Shkembe chorba,şiş kebab, even the origin of the name is Turkish food, Turkish cuisine, foods offered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.160.18.212 (talk) 20:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

turks,really?[edit]

Could you please explain how exactly you conclude the origin of the dishes, when turkey, Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia, etc. were part of one state called Ottoman Empire and these very dishes are present in all these regions? Do you claim that you have cook books from the 15, 16, 17th centuries that describe the specific dishes? And also these books or sources describe the origin of the food by ethnicity and not by a Regional origin? Or perhaps the lambs and veal meet is specific only for the turkish cuisine? You must think, before you speak or write. And what about the names of the dishes? Could you please count how many of these claimed by you "turkish" words actually are of Iranian/Persian origin? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.70.66.233 (talk) 12:51, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly Kpromx (talk) 02:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kavarma/Korma[edit]

These are clearly different dishes, but looking at the discussions on this page it's possible that both are present in Bulgaria. Kavarma is the more typically Bulgarian, though. I've put in an article for creation on kavarma, but it's pretty easy to find descriptions of it online (usually attached to recipes). 73.19.23.200 (talk) 05:36, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Found sentence with seemingly awkward wording[edit]

The first sentence of the fifth paragraph goes as thus:

Bulgarian cuisine shares a number of dishes with the Middle Eastern cuisine, as well as a limited number with the Indian, particularly Gujarat cuisine.

The definite articles (sorry to ~~come off as~~ be pretentious in writing that way) before "Middle Eastern" and "Indian" seem awkward or wrongly used to me. Also, the part of the sentence about Indian/Gujarat cuisine seems awkward to me as well, due to Gujarat being a state of India. It could be rephrased as "... as well a limited number with Indian cuisine, especially that of Gujarat." (Sorry to be rude in stating it that way.) Could anyone please tell me if I'm right about any of this? (Edit: Sorry to have originally written "come off as pretentious" instead of "be pretentious".) (Second edit: Fixed non-breaking space template.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 23:45, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing[edit]

@Kpromx: you have re-added that claim that "Turkish cuisine is also influenced by the Balkan cuisine INCLUDING by the Bulgarian cuisine" without a solid source; Using Wikipedia as a source is not allowed by WP policy. Balkan cuisine in general and Bulgarian cuisine in particular has no doubt contributed to Ottoman and Turkish cuisine. But we need sources for that. Adding claims like this without sources is not helpful.

At the same time, you have removed the well-sourced (and uncontroversial) statement that "some Bulgarian foods originate in Ottoman Turkish cuisine". Removing well-sourced content is not constructive.

Kindly stop edit warring and discuss here on the Talk page. --Macrakis (talk) 20:26, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask WHERE is your source? All the sources you used are from Wikipedia so explain to me how my source is not reliable? I did add a source but you seem to be ignorant and is trying to claim Bulgarian food as Turkish. Colonizers. Kpromx (talk) 20:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Macrakis where is your source???? Kpromx (talk) 20:31, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not "my" source. The footnote to Deutsch's article was added about five years ago by someone else.

We try to remain civil here and not insult other editors. --Macrakis (talk) 21:11, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hm your right, I should have been more respect when replying, but if you notice, the footnote has nothing to do with what is being said so I’m not sure if it’s a good idea to use it in there. Kpromx (talk) 22:39, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Respectful* Kpromx (talk) 22:40, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deutsch says clearly: "the Turkish influence is profound in many areas of the Balkans where the Ottomans were present for centuries. Bulgarian dishes such as ayran..., baklava..., guvech..., and moussaka... all bear the mark of Ottoman influence". --Macrakis (talk) 14:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]