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Semi-protected edit request on August 25, 2019

Please change the two sentences beginning 'Her aunt, Anna "Bamie" Roosevelt, publicly broke with her...', and followed by a [citation needed], to 'Her aunt Anna, now known as "Bye" Cowley, publicly broke with her after the election. She wrote of her niece, "I just hate to have Eleanor let herself look as she does. Though never handsome, she always had to me a charming effect, but Alas and lackaday! Since politics have become her choicest interest, all her charm has disappeared...".'

1. The book refers to her as "Bye Cowley", not "Bamie Roosevelt".
2. The book says she was writing to her niece, not her son.
3. The wording of the quote in the book is different in several places, and the sentence does not end with "all her charm has disappeared", hence the ellipsis. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:BE:351:3124:F9DB (talk) 12:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

References

 Partly done: During her life Anna Roosevelt Cowles was referred to as both "Bamie" and "Bye" - for simplicity I've replaced the name with her real name and linked to her Wikipedia article. All other requests completed. --Goldsztajn (talk) 23:47, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Statue/memorial

Eleanor Roosevelt's statue in Riverside Park, NYC, may be the first dedicated solely to a first lady but here in Racine, WI, we have one of Abe and Mary Todd Lincoln dedicated in 1943. <https://suite.io/cyndy-irvine/54012cw>

Allenswood Academy

There's still one typo in the name of her school in this article. It should be "Allenswood", not "Allenwood". The mistake is in the second paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.96.109.174 (talk) 11:37, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

May have taken a little while, but its  Done. PrecociousPeach (talk) 23:48, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

often confusing - 'eleanor' vs 'roosevelt'

The mixture of 'eleanor' and 'roosevelt' in the article is often confusing. There is no doubt who 'eleanor' is. But 'roosevelt' could be referring to eleanor or franklin, or to other Roosevelts, and is thus often confusing, even in context. A few examples of many with different degrees of ambiguity are "In 1992, Roosevelt biographer Blanche Wiesen Cook", "Roosevelt promoted Val-Kill through interviews and public appearances.", "Roosevelt's relationship with the AYC ". There are many more. For clarity, and because of the potential for confusion with multiple other Roosevelts, I would suggest consistently referring to her as 'eleanor' or 'eleanor roosevelt', and especially 'eleanor' when related to family or to her relationship with Franklin. I see no disrespect in using a first name, although perhaps some others might disagree. I would note that FDR is frequently referred to as 'franklin', and that does not sound wrong. AAABBB222 (talk) 20:13, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

@AAABBB222: No, per WP:SURNAME, the subject of the article should be referred to by last name. Other people with the same surname, such as FDR, can be mentioned by given name instead. —howcheng {chat} 22:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

WP:SAMESURNAME states "To distinguish between people with the same surname in the same article or page, use given names or complete names to refer to each of the people upon first mention. For subsequent uses, refer to them by their given names for clarity and brevity. When referring to the person who is the subject of the article, use just the surname unless the reference is part of a list of family members or if use of the surname alone will be confusing." Something to keep in mind. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:47, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I didn't do a blind search-and-replace, but I did replace most uses of "Eleanor" with "Roosevelt" or other things (pronouns, "his wife", etc) where there might be confusion. —howcheng {chat} 00:07, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree, it is rather confusing, especially sentences such as "The townhouse that Sara gave to Roosevelt and Franklin". Why should everyone else in the family be called by their first name but not Eleanor? This instance, at least, it would be reasonable to replace with 'Eleanor'. Kanjuzi (talk) 13:29, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree as well, you would NEVER say a sentence such as the:"The townhouse that Sara gave to Roosevelt and Franklin". It would be improper and confusing. Just because there is a guideline doesn't mean its written law, WP:COMMONSENSE always supersedes. PrecociousPeach (talk) 23:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Hollywood TV miniseries 2020

In the episode "(Screen) Tests" in the Netflix television series Hollywood (2020), Roosevelt is played by Harriet Sansom Harris. The dialogue carries a tantalising reference to "Hick", Lorena Hickok, Roosevelt's close friend and alleged lover.

86.13.192.12 (talk) 20:24, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Sexuality

Eleanor Roosevelt told her daughter that sex was "something a woman must learn to put up with" or "a burden to be borne." She used very amorous language with her dear Hick. Is it possible that she was a lesbian, just very late in realizing it, even more so than a recent celebrity athlete? J S Ayer (talk) 20:12, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

What do reliable sources say? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 18:43, 3 March 2021 (UTC)