Talk:Hammerschlagen

Disputed information

There is a lawsuit going on in regards to the century old family of Hammer-Schlagen trademarks. It seems this page was renamed to wrongfully bolster the unfounded claims of the defendants in this lawsuit regarding the (not so true) "generic" nature of this famous, and world-renowned brand name.

If I may suggest a conflict of interest. There is a great deal of local, national, and multinational consumer understanding demonstrating the public's acknowledgement of the Hammer-Schlagen trademark as reflective of originating from a single source, including (but not limited to) public admissions by counterfeitters, a national survey conducted by a reputable firm, media coverage, and several federal court orders and injunctions (in just one example, see a federal court filing tinyurl.com / 3x2ydjrk) explicitly noting the brand. The "hammerschlagen" page was already removed for a similar attempt to spread false and misleading information: this seems to be a similar attempt to so the same. 2600:1014:B08B:6679:8C2A:543B:A8E5:AB48 (talk) 04:22, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

I concur, and dispute this article. The information presented is false and misleading. This article seems to just be a reiteration of claims made by the defendants in the lawsuit of WRB, Inc. v. DAMM, LLC et al. (district of Minnesota, case number 0:21-cv-01899) as well as the sister proceeding before the Trademark Board. The newspaper articles cited do not suggest this brand name is generic, or that Hammerschlagen is not a brand name. Quite the opposite: the newspaper articles give a detailed history of the brand and the fact that this word is a brand name that identifies a particular brand of a nail driving game. Also, there exists a great deal of evidence (the documents attached to this public filing in one example) that Hammerschlagen is a brand name for a nail driving game and not a generic word.

Also, I'd like to give notice to @Jim at WRB. Northmop (talk) 19:32, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything in this article that calls Hammerschlagen a generic word. The article cites the trademark.

You both appear to be very close to the subject matter that it appears to be a COI. I would recommend that you state any relationship you have with the brand or the company and if one exists, you refrain from making edits on the page to comply with wikipedia policy. Ew3234 (talk) 03:35, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Article Falsely Claims Genericsm

Thank you for the notice regarding this dispute. My name is Jim and I am the CEO of WRB, Inc., the source and origin of the Hammer-Schlagen® brand. As such, I believe that I have a WP:CIO and am refraining from making material edits to this page. I would like to chime in to advise that the above users who dispute the information are correct.

This article creates the false perception that the word "Hammerschlagen" is the genus of every single species of thing that has to do with nails and hammers. Here are a handful of examples of this article's false claim that Hammerschlagen is the generic word for all such nail/hammer activities and why: all competitive nailing is known as Hammerschlagen despite the fact that the only competitive nailing known by Hammer-Schlagen® is when our trademarks are in use; Florian Dering's nail beam game is known as Hammerschlagen despite Florian Dering never using our Hammer-Schlagen® brand name or anything remotely similar to any of our trademarks to describe his nail beam game; an uncited claim that the use of our trademarks is "customary" at weddings; Expo 2000's display of a hammering activity in which Hammerschlagen (let alone any of our trademarks) were never used; the misrepresentation that the "Living And Working World" art display is known as Hammerschlagen, despite Hammerschlagen (or any other related trademark) never appearing in any related literature; and citations to an art piece containing nails that was used as fund-raising tool during the First World War being known as Hammerschlagen despite the fact that none of our trademarks were ever used to describe the effort.

It is also quite important to point out that the sources of this article are being used to misrepresent the claims created via the edits made by Ew3234. In one example, the statement that "Commonly, a tree trunk is used in place of the wooden beam" is supported by a source that says absolutely nothing about a wooden beam. Additionally, sources are being used to suggest that WRB is taking predatory legal action against the public, which (as a plain reading of the sources used will reveal) is false.

This Wikipedia article, in its current state, is WP:GAMING by making false claims that Hammer-Schlagen® is the genus of all species of anything having to do with nails and hammers. This is an extraordinary claim and no source exists that could possibly present any facts or evidence in support of such genericism. In fact quite the opposite is true: there is a great deal of evidence supporting the fact that Hammer-Schlagen® is a brand name and WRB is the source and origin of this specific species of nail games genus. Ew3234's edits have unfortunately lead to the circumstance where this page is falsely misrepresenting exactly the opposite. I therefore respectfully request, on behalf of WRB, Inc., that either truthful information be presented in a WP:NOP and with WP:TRUTH consistent with Wikipedia policy, or this page be removed.

Jim at WRB (talk) 18:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)