Talk:iOS 11/Archive 1

Logo

Can anyone add the logo into the article?? Georgia guy (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi there! I'm also hoping someone can do that. I'd do it myself, but I'm afraid I don't have enough experience uploading photos yet. LocalNet (talk) 19:27, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

@Georgia guy and LocalNet: I think I saw the actual logo, not the wordmark on the website, during the keynote. I'll try to extract it from the stream and hopefully, be able to upscale and denoise it, and get it uploaded. Hayman30 (talk) 10:17, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hayman30: Thanks for uploading the photos you've already added! Photos are always a big improvement and those photos are great! :) I sadly do not have enough experience in photo uploading to be able to contribute there, but I'm happy you're working on it! :D LocalNet (talk) 10:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Images

I think we need more images here in order to motivate readers to continue reading the article. We need one for the redesigned Siri interface slash type to Siri, one for Files app and another one for the Camera app maybe? The Calculator app also got a deisgn overhaul, buttons are rounded now, I'll add that once more sources covers that. Hayman30 (talk) 10:12, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

List of Small Features in iOS 11 - incorporate into article?

Features - as seen here: Video walkthrough shows off the most important new iOS 11 features and tricks

• Notes now include tables
• AirPods icon now appear on Phone when using AirPods (previously showed the default Bluetooth logo)
• Autofill passwords in third-party apps
• Can now move multiple apps
• Removed 3D Touch shortcut to App switcher
• Labels removed from icons in doc
• New effect in iMessage
• Block tracking scripts in Safari

| MK17b | (talk) 04:33, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm... Some of these are actually relatively significant updates that should be added to the article, in my opinion, particularly tables in Notes and autofill passwords. However, I would personally like to wait until we have written sources covering the information, rather than relying on a YouTube video where the uploader can remove the content at any time and there is no Internet Archive for it. LocalNet (talk) 04:43, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@LocalNet: Agreed. There will definitely be articles on hidden features in near future, people are digging into the OS. There's even a dark mode, not system-wide though, only applies to a certain UI elements, they'll probably cover that as well. Hayman30 (talk) 08:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hayman30: Exactly. The so-called "dark mode", officially called "Smart Invert", was actually already added in this edit, with some rewordings in the following edit. There will be lots of information coverage, both big and small, in the next few days and months. LocalNet (talk) 08:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@LocalNet: Oh haha I didn't notice that, there'll surely be more coverage on this. And as they didn't announce it at WWDC, they might introduce it in later updates (11.0.x or 11.x), we'll see. Hayman30 (talk) 09:17, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Please note the Wikipedia notability guidelines. Frankly, I am against mentioning or listing every tiny detail. iOS 10 is already going too far in several places.–Totie (talk) 16:27, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Consider also WP:PROSE. Ultimately, we should have something worth reading. People can find overly detailed information elsewhere.–Totie (talk) 16:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

@Totie: Well, yes, you might be right, iOS 10 perhaps does go a little too far in some places. Some features can be added directly to the relevant app's Wikipedia page, if one exists. But I would also argue that it's sometimes really difficult to tell exactly how detailed we should go. Contrary to other operating systems, where new features are part of app updates, iOS updates the entire OS for app features as well. That means a minor feature added in one release can potentially be expanded in another. But we should try to avoid too many details. LocalNet (talk) 05:07, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Files not an iPad exclusive feature

Several sources such , and show that Files is not a iPad exclusive feature and should get its own section. -KAP03(^{Talk • Contributions • Email}) 19:10, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@KAP03: Oh no! :( This is exactly what I was hoping to avoid :( I only read announcements about iPad, so I had to stick to sources, despite rumors of iPhone support. The MacRumors video does prove iPhone support :/ I'm happy about that, but sad that this article has now been untrue. The "Verifiability, not truth" sentiment can hurt sometimes... That said, we should preferably not rely on a video for proof. If written sources can confirm iPhone support, then it should be changed. I am so tired right now, and have to take a break. I will get back to this another time. Thanks for doing research! LocalNet (talk) 19:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@LocalNet: The article has other text besides the video that proves that Files is also available on iPhone. -KAP03(^{Talk • Contributions • Email}) 19:57, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@KAP03: Thank you for fixing the article! I was exhausted yesterday. Teamwork, yay! LocalNet (talk) 06:06, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

@KAP03 and LocalNet: Remember when the app was leaked on App Store a few hours before the keynote? There's a screenshot of the Files app placeholder on an iPhone, and one from the Mac App Store or iTunes Preview, I forgot. But it was announced alongside the iPad announcements, and the demo was also done on an iPad. Hayman30 (talk) 14:40, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

@Hayman30: This Apple Insider source says that Files is available on the iPhone (in the Update section at the bottom) as well as this The Verge source -KAP03(^{Talk • Contributions • Email}) 15:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

@KAP03: I know, I was just expressing how confusing it is in the first place, we all believed that it was an iPad-exclusive app, Apple apparently says so, the sources say so initially as well. That proves "sources are not always right". Hayman30 (talk) 15:24, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Do they say it's iPad-exclusive, or do they just mention it (on the iOS 11 page) only in the context of the iPad? Guy Harris (talk) 19:42, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Initially, on the day of WWDC, all reliable sources I could find stated that Files was iPad-exclusive. However, just like many minor features have been found that weren't mentioned at the keynote, once the media actually got a hold of the developer preview, they discovered that Files would be available for iPhone as well. LocalNet (talk) 19:47, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, by "they" in "Do they say it's iPad-exclusive" I meant "Apple", not the sources; what were the sources using as the basis of their claims? The Apple page in question + assuming that, because Apple only talked about it in the context of the iPad, it was iPad-only? Guy Harris (talk) 20:14, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Hmmm. Well, before WWDC, the Files app appeared in App Store, with support for both iPhone and iPad according to sources. A few hours later, the app's information reportedly did not specify iPhone support. I was admittedly heavily multitasking, but as far as I was able to tell, Apple only announced the Files app for iPad during WWDC and its then-official press releases. However, currently, the iOS 11 page above even states "Not just the ones on your iPad, but also those in apps, on your other iOS devices...", so for some reason, they wanted to put an emphasis on iPad in the first few hours, before acknowledging iPhone availability. That's as far as I understood, at least. But I am, admittedly, a little confused. I'm not even fully sure I properly answered your question :P LocalNet (talk) 21:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)