Talk:James Van Der Beek

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Dutch[edit]

OK, before this revert war goes any further, both sides please consider this: can you cite to any published evidence that James Van Der Beek is Dutch? And don't say "look at his name"; that's not enough on Wikipedia. --Mareino 19:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I reverted it. His name has been mentioned as being Dutch, but there are no actual reliable sources (like an interview, etc.) that mention that he has even recent Dutch ancestry. I.e. nothing like a grandparent or parent, even (and the IMDB is not a particularly trustworthy source in any of these matters). I'll take it out again until someone shows me something. In my personal opinion I find it highly unlikely that he's even "half Dutch" or something, but I could be wrong. JackO'Lantern 19:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Response[edit]

Normally I dont add people to lists unless I have 100 percent evidence that they are something. But Van Der Beek is obviously a dutch name which is the name of his father. I am sure he is atleast half dutch. This case is an exception. If his name was something like Walker (Which is shared my multiple European countries I wouldnt dare add it but his name only belongs to the dutch people. JJstroker 06:51, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, unquestionably it is 100% a Dutch name, and has been described as such. The problem is, it may well be his great-great-great-great-great grandfather who was Dutch, and everyone since could be Irish-British-Greek-German-Jewish-etc. I personally doubt his Dutch ancestry is recent. I went over all the interviews on the linked site, and it wasn't mentioned. But maybe someone else knows for sure? JackO'Lantern 10:24, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If I am not mistaken his parents where immigrants so his name is fairly recent. I dont think there is any question that he has some dutch blood in him. You are right he could have a ton of other stuff in him but the what we are concentrating on is whether or not he is of specifically dutch descent. I believe that he is from the dutch name (Not sure but I think atleast his father is full dutch not sure about it though) JJstroker 21:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
His parents were immigrants? Are you sure? But in any case, we need some kind of reliable source (like an interview where he says "my father's Dutch" or "I'm Dutch" or whatever"). I went over the interviews on the linked site and checked out the two searchable bios [1] on Amazon, but I couldn't find anything at all on his ancestry. It may not be out there. And I really don't think his parents were immigrants, because it certainly wasn't mentioned anywhere. Obviously, if they're immigrants, they are most likely from Holland, but again, I'm 99% sure that most of his recent ancestors were US-born. JackO'Lantern 21:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
JackO'Lantern - Your "contributions" to this site are irritating and not required. I have come across no less than a dozen pages where you remove obviously accurate information pertaining to the ethnic origin of notable people. You continue doing this even when it is considered unanimously correct by other users. -- 207.210.19.189
I have to agree that the category should stay. It doesn't matter if he's an immigrant or not. He's still of that ethnicity no matter what the status. And if he's of other ethnicities, then we'll add those as we get more info. -- LGagnon 01:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you have a reliable source that describes him as Dutch-American (and no, not the IMDB), it can stay. We don't list people in ethnicity categories based on last names. See Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No Original Research. I don't know or care what the anonymous user, whose edits mostly consist of putting people in ethnicity categories, is talking about. You oughta try going to an article and actually improving it, rather than flagging these ethnicity categories around based on dubious sources or distant connections. Mad Jack 08:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I believe it is an attempt at improving it. Many disagree with your policy and find the ethnicity category violation that you cite to not actually be a violation due to certain conditions surrounding the situation in question. You may be trying to improve it, but many disagree with you. Like you, they, too, are trying to improve it. Michael 19:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nonono. In this case, we don't have any reputable sources that say he has any Dutch ancestry at all. This isn't even a case of "half Dutch" or whatever. The only reliable details are something like "last name means By the Creek in Dutch". Mad Jack 23:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

May I add, that "van" is also common in the dutch speaking parts of Belgium and probably also in parts of Africa, where afrikaans is spoken. So he might very well be of Belgian ancestry.

Wrong, he is Dutch! More then reliable source is provided, his own Twitter page, where he claims his Dutch ancestry by writing; That's it! I must have been channeling my Dutch ancestry!--Eversman (talk) 01:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Though I don't doubt Van Der Beek's Dutch ancestry, Twitter is not a reliable source for biographical content (or any content for that matter). I have reverted the content using Twitter as a source. It can be added back when a proper source is found. Further, links to social networking sites should be avoided. Since the subject has an official website which is cited in the infobox and in the external links section, linking to his Twitter account is unnecessary. Pinkadelica♣ 02:38, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why the official twitter account is not reliable source for biographical content, especially when his official web site has the link to that same twitter account? Isn't something that subject has wroted on his official twitter account, the most reliable source that you can get? Sometimes I really don't get it! With regards, Eversman (talk) 12:36, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Update; Why is it OK to use Twitter accounts as a reliable source on the Twitter's Wiki page, and it is not a reliable source to be used on the James Van Der Beek's Wiki page? I really don't get it, so if some journalist(let's say from New York Post) reads the James Van Der Beek's Twitter account where he claims his Dutch ancestry with the words I cited, and he uses that in the article that he is writing about him, and that article is being published, then that would be a reliable source by Wiki standards? Sorry, but I think that is BS. Can I get some comments on that? Thank you! -- Eversman (talk) 18:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to take up your question about Twitter as a reliable source at the WP:RS talk page, or the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. A quick search of the archives at WP:RSN gives a bunch of hits/discussions on twitter as a source, maybe you will get your answers there. --Logical Fuzz (talk) 16:41, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Response 2[edit]

This why I hate Wikipedia:keyboard warriors who know nothing of academic research. I am a PhD student and while Twitter is not normally considered a viable academic source, we do use original sources in academia. This would include a diary that has been proven to be authentic. A verified Twitter account is an original source and one that I would allow my students to cite, if they were quoting an original source. Put it back in the article, the actor himself says he's Dutch, that's good enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.70.176 (talk) 05:57, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Recent news, etc.[edit]

This page should not be a repository for things that are going to happen. It also should avoid current events, and especially wording things in such a way that they will become out of date (such as "JVDB is currently working on..." Charles (Kznf) 01:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ey boys can anybody tellme how can i put apictures in this page, i´m registered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyonrihime (talk • contribs) 03:07, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Memes[edit]

I'm surprised there's no mention of Van Der Memes, either the phenomenon or his blog devoted to such. It's fairly noteworthy, given it's about all he's had going for him lately. Worthy of inclusion? Esprix (talk) 17:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Awards and career sections[edit]

On Logo's New Now Next Awards show, 2011, van der Beek was the host, and won the #zomg award. Neither is mentioned, and specifics should be available on Logo's website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.25.24.32 (talk) 17:36, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Homosexuality[edit]

We should include in this article multiple rumors about his homosexuality. I have found several links, despite massive forum and discusions.

What do you think? Maybe just one sentence... --WhiteWriter speaks 14:31, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Editing girlfriend into boyfriend[edit]

This is what I read now in the Personal Life section: "On April 9, 2010, Van Der Beek announced via Twitter that he and his Boyfriend, business consultant Josoph Gordon Levitt, were expecting their first child together, a girl.[15] Van Der Beek and Levitt married on August 1, 2010, in a small ceremony at the Kabbalah Center near Dizengoff Plaza in Tel Aviv, Israel.[16] he took his last name"

come on guys, really? This is not even funny. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.48.114.43 (talk) 22:46, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It made me lol tho 2603:8081:8700:687D:C03A:CA51:C91D:F5B1 (talk) 18:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Article does not follow proper language convention[edit]

Van der Beek's height is given in metric first, with the conversion to U. S. customary given in parentheses. This is not in conformity with Wikipedia's policy, which states:

Quantities are typically expressed using an appropriate "primary unit", displayed first, followed, when appropriate, by a conversion in parentheses e.g. 200 kilometres (120 mi). . . . The choice of primary units . . . should respect the principle of "strong national ties", where applicable:

In non-scientific articles with strong ties to the United States, the primary units are US customary Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Units_of_measurement

I would request that a change be made, placing the U. S. customary measurement first with the metric measurement being given in parentheses. Thanks.Mwidunn (talk) 21:09, 22 November 2019 (UTC)mwidunn[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

A pronunciation is needed because the surname is obscure and the pronunciation is not obvious. There are many ways to render foreign surnames like this in English, and pronunciations are sometimes idiosyncratic (compare Ed Koch, Jim Koch, Charles Koch). I could see it being pronounced, for example, /væn dər biːk/, /vɒn dər bɛk/, /beɪk/ and various other combinations. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've never heard anything other than /ˌvændərˈbiːk/. The only way one could be uncertain about how to pronounce it is to be familiar with Dutch phonology and orthography—but I doubt most English speakers even know it's a Dutch name in the first place. They just go by the spelling, and in English ee most often represents /iː/. Nardog (talk) 04:27, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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