Talk:Nordic cross flag

Newfoundland, Greenland, and Sami

Where does the Newfoundland flag fit into all of this? Meaning the newer official flag, not the pink, white, and green. It looks quite a bit like the Nordic Cross, as its cross is a bit off-center.

Also there used to be a section called something like "Nordic flags without the Nordic Cross" but it's not there anymore. I could have sworn that, in some version not too long ago, it pointed out how the Greenland and Sami flags have an off-center circle instead of a cross. Squidfryerchef 04:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

More Norwegian flags

I have added several Norwegian flags for which I could not find images in Commons.

• Flag of the Chief of Defence.[1]
• Flag of the Norwegian Postal Service.[2][3] (should be capital letters only)
• Flag of the Norwegian Customs Service.[4]
• Flag of the Royal Norwegian Yacht Club.[5]
• Flag of Nasjonal Samling.[6]
• Flag of Hirdmarinen.[7]

If anyone feel up to it they could upload them. -- Nidator ^{T / C} 16:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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Is the Scanian flag unofficial?

Read Scania and you see that it states: '[The flag has been] used by Skåne Regional Council since 1999.' Wouldn't this mean that the flag actually is official? Or is the issue that the flag traditionally stands for the province of Scania, but is currently used officaly only by the county of Scania? Yenx (talk) 12:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what it takes to make it official but according to the Swedish article it's also registered in something called "Skandinavisk vapenrulla". It also says that it was officially adopted by the Scanian Regional Council in 1999. But maybe official in this article means that it has to be approved by the Swedish government? I think clarification is needed here. /Jiiimbooh (talk) 19:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The flag is offically adopted by Skåne Regional Council - but as far as I can tell, formally only as a flag for the Regional Council and its sphere of activities: public healthcare system, public transport and co-ordination of development of commerce, communication and culture. As a flag for the whole of the province, it is still unofficiall. /B****n (talk) 10:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Region Skåne, which is one of the 21 County Councils of Sweden, has decided to use the flag on some occasions, always together withe the national flag and the region's own heraldic banner. But it is not on their web site —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vedum (talk • contribs) 20:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

(It was a mistake, the comment was not finished). In most cases they use a logotype. [8] --Vedum (talk) 20:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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Nordic cross or similar design?

Should Brazilian towns have there own section? Are they Nordic crosses or just offset crosses? Don't we want to limit these, or are we going to index all offset crosses in the world. For the non Nordic-related crosses, a few examples would suffice... Hrcolyer (talk) 14:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Such a section has been made at some point, the BR flags were left out in their own section. I've moved them under "random nordic cross-like flags" since that seems to be what they are. All of the other sections (German, British, Ethnic, Baltic) have some text and claim to actually being Nordic crosses rather than simply a visually identical design element. --Belg4mit (talk) 20:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any explanation, here or in the Míkmaq article, as to that flag's connection to the Nordic cross. It seems to me that the historical derivation and intent are key; the concept here is ethnic or historical connection, not coincidental similarity of graphic design. Unless there's some information of substance, let the "random nordic cross-like flags" be removed. Spark240 (talk) 15:18, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Reorganising

Shouldn't some reorganisation be done. In particular, the following should be moved, no? Flag of the Danish monarch, flown in his capacity as Duke of Holstein until 1863 and Schleswig until 1864.[2] => Should be note next to Danish flag Unofficial flag of Swedish-speaking Finns => under Finland Unofficial flag of the Scanian lands (southern Sweden) => under Sweden Unofficial flag of Småland (no actual use recorded) => under Sweden Unofficial flag of Götaland, or alternatively Östergötland => under Sweden Unofficial flag of West Sweden[3] => under Sweden

It would be more interesting to separate the actual Nordic flights from the 'coincidental' similarities. For example, among others, the Norman flag, and Wilmington one should be with the Nordic flags, rather than stuck between Brazilian cities and Tbilissi (which are curiosities, using the graphical effect of the Nordic cross, although this is not a Nordic cross). In particular Normandy and others such as Baltic, German and UK sections should be nearer the top as they are a direct heritage of Nordic/Viking pasts...

Am I the only one who feels that being able to easily tell which flags have a Nordic Cross should be quite important :p? Hrcolyer (talk) 14:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Flag of FC St. Pauli (football team)

As you can see for example here http://www.footballmatch.de/Stadien/stpauli1.jpg the football/soccer team of St. Pauli (Hamburg) has a flag in the style of the nordic cross. Don't know if this should or could be mentioned, but I think it's more often in use than some flags which rather seem made by single vexillologists promoting their flags.

The flag of St. Pauli is not official, though. I've also seen versions with the proportions of the Dannebrog (smaller white lines) as well as one in the style of Iceland's flag, but showing a brown ground with a red cross with white outlines.

Brown and white are the team's colours, but it's team logo features also red due the flag of Hamburg.

Controversy

Are there any notable complaints anywhere about these European nations using the Cross in their flags? I would think if some people get upset over a generic "In God We Trust," they would definitely get upset over an overtly Christian symbol on the national flags. Is that the case? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masternachos (talk • contribs) 21:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Not that I have heard. The Nordic countries too secular to be bothered by crosses or somebody saying something about trusting god, in general. All I managed to find was SIDA, the goverment organ responsible for organising Swedish aid to developing countries using the Three Crowns instead of the flag in Afghanistan. [9]. Not much, really... Dendlai (talk) 01:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

So, they are so secular they've moved beyond being upset over religious symbolism that doesn't affect them directly? Is that it? Sounds like they're more "mature(?)" about these things than some in this country (US).Masternachos (talk) 16:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Then again, the US was kind of founded on the ideas of Freedom and whatnot, while the Nordic countries were just... founded.Masternachos (talk) 17:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Didn't mean to imply atheists and what-not are immature, you know?4.225.111.92 (talk)

Speaking for myself, as an Atheist Swede, I wouldn't want the cross from the Swedish flag removed. I think the cross represents a large part of our history. After all we've been Christians since the 1100s and Christianity is still officially the largest religion. I actually have the Scanian cross flag on my wall.

Having said that, I did see an article about art students making proposals for a new Swedish flag to show that Sweden has become less religious and more multi-cultural, but I interpreted that more as an art project than a serious proposal for a new flag. Jiiimbooh (talk) 13:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

i would just like to say you forgot about the south island of NewZealands flag plese put it in here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.155.130.213 (talk) 12:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Unofficial flags

Can we remove these? Or at least, the non-notable ones? It seems the great majority are just original creations of editors and appear no where else, except on Wikipedia. Hayden120 (talk) 11:35, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I think some of them ought to be removed as well.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 07:07, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

"Cross flag" redirect

I don't think "cross flag" should redirect here; I came here looking for information on British Isles cross flags. 67.177.215.58 (talk) 21:02, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

royal but not that royal

Royal standard of Sweden with the lesser coat of arms (the royal house using the greater coat of arms)

What's a royal standard if it is not used by the royal house? —Tamfang (talk) 20:06, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Gonfalon

Great seal of Eric of Pomerania as king of the Kalmar Union.

The recently added information that a Scandinavian cross flag is basically a gonfalon is tagged as needing citation. A citation to confirm that statement would be hard to find. It is commonly assumed that the first documented use of Dannebrog, the oldest Scandinavian cross flag, is to be seen in the great union seal of king Eric of Pomerania. It is depicted as a regular flag flown from a vertical pole held by the three lions of the Danish arms. The gonfalon information seems to deserve deletion. Roede (talk) 15:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Scandinavian Flag?

Where does this flag come from? Who submitted it? Who proposed/drew it? Has it ever been used? --Tlauen (talk) 13:19, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Unofficial Flags (Scotland)

The flag of Barra has been removed. See image for actual use and supplier. Also FOTW.

The flag of South Uist has been removed. See image for actual use and supplier. Also FOTW.

On this basis I have reinstated them. Although unofficial, they certainly exist, are available to purchase and evidence of their actual use is well documented in photographs easily found online. Endrick Shellycoat 14:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Reread FOTW - it's a collection of emails. Read their entry for the Lewis flag, Wikipedia had a part to play in the advertisement of that flag. I could email the website with a fake-name and tell them of a flag (of my own creation), and I could fly it myself and upload a photo of it on Flickr. So what? It doesn't matter if the flags are sold on the net. Anything can be sold on the net. There's a whole internet industry in dubious coats of arms and other 'clan knick-knacks'. There are companies selling Wikipedia articles as books. It doesn't legitimise anything. We're suppose to follow reliable sources, you know that. They should be noted in a good book on flags, or mentioned in a good book on Barra and South Uist. Not flickr, or emails, or crappy online-stores that sell anything under the sun. Who wants to bet these types of online-stores use Wikipedia as a source? All they need to do is grab the svg. That's why editors should be on the lookout for this kind of thing, and should be suspicious of the "unofficial" flags on the list. The mrflag link you gave lists flags of micronations, and has a nice collection of 'novelty flags' too. Wikipedia is not a directory of everything that exists or has existed - but that's what this list is turning into.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 06:30, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I hear what you say, however the article clearly states that these are unofficial flags, as it does with numerous others whose inclusion is equally if not more questionable on the basis of your argument.

Personally, I'd prefer only official flags to appear on the article. However, previous editors have elected to include proposed and unofficial designs whose legitimacy could also be challenged. What I object to is a scattergun approach to determining what does and does not stay, which to be honest seemed to be the approach you took with regard to those flags which you elected to remove. I'm certain that according to your criteria numerous other examples of unofficial and proposed versions could likewise have been removed, but for whatever reason you selected just those three.

Consistency is what is required here, and if it were down to me only official versions, current and historic, would be shown. However, other versions are included and on that basis I think a degree of flexibility and common sense is required. Endrick Shellycoat 21:11, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

The flag of South Uist is in common use on the island, including on council buildings such as schools, so I think it's perfectly ok to include it on the page.--someone who is actually from the island — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.173.38 (talk) 12:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Svalbard Unnoficial Flags

How about adding some of them?

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080605002133/uncyclopedia/images/8/80/Flag_of_Svalbard.PNG - This one is actually VERY popular, at least on the internet. But I have no idea who created it, you can find some entries with it on google images.

http://www.penguinpride.com/i08/svalbard1.jpg - Recently I have found this one, reminds me of proposed Estonian flag... I prefer the first black flag (because is unique), but at least for this one you can find a source: http://www.penguinpride.com/2009/05/13/flag-of-svalbard/

There is also something like this: http://images.wikia.com/cybernations/images/1/1c/Flag_of_the_Union_of_Svalbard.svg , used by some cyber-nation/microstate (?) http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Union_of_Svalbard , but map flags are just absolutely disgusting and recognised as a blasphemous heresy in the vexicology (that's why I support Serbian rights to Kosovo province and North Cyprus right to secession).

Some another propositiom http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/s/sj-prop.gif (source: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/sj-arms.html ) but I don't like it to be honest, too Luxembourg-looking. You can find similar pattern used in the previous entry.

Oficially Svalbard uses flag and coat of arms of Norway (which is quite... strange), that's why all these flags are just proposed.

I hope my propositions will be considered, cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.79.183.108 (talk) 20:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Svalbard is a part of Norway. All Norwegian Subdivisions use the Norwegian flag. All flags claiming to be unofficial flags of Svalbard are pure internet fantasies and have no connection to the real life place of Svalbard. Fantasy flags should not be included here and wikipedia should not contribute to their proliferation as it only serves to confuse those who look to this web page for facts. Some flag proposals who are documentet to have been real contenders when a country adopted a new national flag could be concidered, but not the thousands of internet fantasies out there.Inge (talk) 12:46, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Church of Sweden

Just noting that the Church of Sweden uses this flag (also here). It appears to be a quite recent thing (Swedish text, pdf). 83.241.146.106 (talk) 08:01, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

this does not appear to be a Nordic cross design. --dab (𒁳) 12:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Historical origin

Obviously, the cross dates to the Crusades, but the Nordic cross is defined as the cross with its center shifted hoistward. The question of when this originated pretty much boils down to the question when the flags became rectangular. It appears to be quite clear that the Nordic cross is a "rectangularised" version of the triple-tailed flag, which itself seems to date to the 1660s or so. But a triple tailed flag, where the central tail prolongs the horizontal arm of the cross, doesn't really amount to a "Nordic cross": the "Nordic cross" emerges as soon as you turn a triple-tailed flag into a rectangular one.

A rectangular flag was introduced for as Danish civil ensign in 1748, and for the Sweden-Norway union in 1818. So I suppose we must conclude, pending further evidence, that the first Nordic cross is that of the Danish civil ensign introduced 1748, and that Sweden-Norway following suit in a complicated history of revisions in the 19th century, leading to the modern Scandinavian flags by the early 20th century. --dab (𒁳) 12:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

United Kingdom: Unofficial Flag of Northern England

Isn't that missing?

Here (from Google): http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/g/gb-e-neng.gif

I'm sure I saw this flag here on Wikipedia some years ago...

Word breaks

Some of the words in the table layout in Ethnic flags break strangely, leaving the last letter on the next line, couldn't fix them. Janke | Talk 08:13, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

just found a pretty obvious nordic cross in puerto rico

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayam%C3%B3n,_Puerto_Rico#/media/File:Flag_of_Bayamon.svg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:702:8000:F230:45C:6D6C:3D27:E93B (talk) 23:48, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Already listed at #United States. SiBr₄ (talk) 06:15, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Groningen (province)

Does the flag of the province of Groningen in the Netherlands qualify? The Seventh Taylor (talk) 17:52, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

No; that flag has a symmetric cross, not a Nordic one (which would have the vertical bar off-center). SiBr₄ (talk) 20:56, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

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Swallowtail

At the top of the article is an image captioned "Swallowtail Nordic/Scandinavian cross". This shows the special swallowtail used by Sweden, Norway and Finland, with an extra tongue in the middle. However, Denmark and Iceland use the more common two tongue format. --Klausok (talk) 10:21, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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