Talk:Pope Pius VIII

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you have a portrait of pius vii, not pius viii.

Oh, I see, I am not the only one to be under this impression. I already thaught I was wrong ;-). Could someone change the portrait, please? --Darev 11:07, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Life expectancy[edit]

I do not trust rumors. But if jtdirl have informations about the death of Pius VIII, I will be happy to mention it. It would be necessary to compare his 69 years old liver to différents livers of people suffuring différent type of natural sickness. If we consider the life expectancy of his time, Pius VIII was quite old.

Garibaldi (1807-1882) die at 75 and the old Bismarck (1815-1898) at 83 !

But Napoleon III was only 69.

Louis XVIII (1755-1824) rules 10 years but he also die when he turned 69

Friedrich III (1831-1888) rules only three month and was 57 when he die. AtiN 3 August 2005

I've left details of the info on your page. It comes from a contemporary diary of a papal aide. The problem with this pope was that he was, quite literally, in great health one day, and dead the next. The autopsy confirmed sudden liver and kidney damage (I think there may have been some evidence in the stomach too), sudden as is 24 hours! I've put the info on your page, anyway. FearÉIREANN

\^(caint) 05:42, 3 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That exactly how a rumor rise. A "comtempory diary of a papal aide"... Anonymous ? Your old ant ? The man who saw the man who saw the man who kill the bear... Sorry but you can not present rumors as facts. AtiN 14:59, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rumors and Facts[edit]

Prince Don Agostino Chigi was a contemporary of the Pope's and one of the papal nobility associated with the papal court. It's a fact.

Is there a diray ? Where is it today ?

I supose it's not this diary...

Because in this diary Agostino Chigi use once the term "autopsy", in june 2nd 1846 : "Questa mattina è seguìta la sezione del cadavere del Papa e l’imbalsamatura, e questa sera verso le 23 è stato trasportato alla Cappella Sistina. Dalla relazione dell’autopsia risulta che tutte le parti erano perfettamente sane, e solo si è rimarcato dell’umore nei polmoni, che sembra vi esistesse da qualche tempo."

In this diary Agostino (not agostini as Jtdril write) Chigi talk about what he heard about the death of Pius VIII. December 2nd 1830 he write that "the pope's viscere were found healthiest and some weakness in the lung has been recovered, others says there were some trouble in the heart; it would remain therefore to know the reason of the death" (my traduction).

In the 1980s who are theses "historians" that reveal the existance of Don Agostino Chigi diary ?

The Vatican's silence has been treated by historians as confirmation that suposed Prince Don Agostini Chigi's account of the events surrounding the Pope's sudden death is largely correct ?? By Jtdril and believers of conspiracy theory but not by historians.

Jtdril will have to give his sources. The names of theses "historians" are... AtiN 18:53, 10 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"An ancestor of his was Pope Celestine IV"[edit]

Assuming that "ancestor" denotes direct descent, there is no indication at Pope Celestine IV of his personal life, or having any children. The reference given here appears to be what might be Pius VIII's autobiography, unless author and title are confused in the broken link, with an entry name given as author. Milkunderwood (talk) 06:43, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Surname[edit]

Is it Castiglione or Castiglioni? There are many competing sources that use both but the majority seem to favor Castiglione. Lord Sidious 82 (talk) 06:24, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]