Talk:Scuppernong

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Is the skin edible or not?[edit]

"The skin is very thick and inedible.... the scuppernong can be eaten entirely.... the skin offers a tart flavor. Together, they go nicely and can both [skin and pulp] be eaten."

So which is it?

Cottingham 14:12, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The skin is edible, but tougher than the skins of most other grapes. I generally toss the skins away but that's a matter of personal preference. 107.15.21.136 (talk) 19:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've eaten the skins all my life. I think the claim that they're inedible is ridiculous. Blackcat26

"There is a proper and time-honored method for eating a scuppernong, the object of which is to combine its various components into a single burst of flavor. Hold the grape gently yet firmly within your thumb, index and middle fingers, with the stem scar oriented towards you. Pucker your lips around the stem scar and squeeze the grape gently while sucking the pulp and juice into your mouth, straining out the seeds through a narrow slit between your top and bottom teeth. Use a finger to flatten the grape skin against your front teeth to extract the subcutaneous flavor concentrate, while guiding the seeds away from the opening to the bottom of the grape skin. The seeds should be left inside the empty skin, to be neatly discarded. The whole process takes about a second and quickly becomes second nature."

^^Doesn't seem to be in the right tone. 222.152.103.9 03:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I posted this when I became aware of widespread ignorance surrounding North Carolina’s State

Fruit. My contribution was removed almost immediately due to lack of citation. To which I ask “How does one attribute folklore?

My father propagated cuttings from a well-known arbor of vines taken directly from the Mother Vine growing at the old Episcopal Church grounds in Edenton, NC. The minister there (Mr. Drane) and his wife brought cuttings of that vine to Monroe, NC when they were transferred there sometime in the twentieth century. My father obtained cuttings from them right after WW2 and those scuppernongs fed me as a child. All witnesses to this provenance are deceased. We learned to eat them properly as toddlers; I still remember struggling the season I lost my front teeth.

I don’t know what the criticism “right tone” means. I merely aimed for the precision required for accurate instruction of the (simple) process of eating scuppernongs. I’ve related the story of my only Wiki contribution to many fellow Tarheels over the past fifteen years. My post was applauded by both those who were taught scuppernong technique and by those who were ignorant. All agree that insisting on ethereal “proof” erases tradition and stifles useful knowledge, 2600:1700:6B1:8560:A16F:549:A9F9:EDEE (talk) 19:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

no citing![edit]

nothing on this article is cited at all! Also that whole anecdote about how to eat them seems out of place in an encyclopedia. maybe saying "scuppernogs traditionally are eaten by...." but still, NOT WITHOUT citing!!!

New person speaking now, please identify yourself.Cozzycovers 04:19, 13 March 2012 (UTC) It looks like somebody is not citing this page correctly,

Parts of this:

"The fruit grows where temperatures seldom fall below 10° Fahrenheit.[5] Injury can occur where winter temperatures drop below 0° Fahrenheit. Some cultivars such as Magnolia, Carlos, and Sterling survive north to Virginia and west to the Blue Ridge Mountain foothills. Muscadines have a high tolerance to diseases and pests."

Looks like it came from:

http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/hil/hil-8203.html

The link is now dead anyhow. Looks like the whole thing needs some attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.150.44 (talk) 21:12, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not the number 5 source. I have not checked whether the above url is already a source, but number 5 source never says anything about 0 Fahrenheit anywhere. This should be fixed. Cozzycovers 04:15, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Also noted in "The Goophered Grapevine" story in the collection "The Conjure Woman" by Charles W. Chesnutt, which can still be found in archive.org and gutenburg.org, a local library, and for sale at Amazon etc.

Scuffydine[edit]

the term scuffydine should redirect here, and also somewhere it should be noted that they are called scuffydines by some folks.

pronunciation of "scuppernong"[edit]

Just a regional note: All six of my dictionaries show the "g" as being pronounced, yet in this part of the Mississippi Delta, it's almost universally pronounced "scup er non", with a silent 'g' and no accent on any syllable. (I ran a lab for a small local winery, using French-American hybrid grapes. A very large part of the wine-consuming community in American takes a condescending attitude towards wines made from vitis rotundifolia) I have several hundred wild muscadine vines on my land, and I can vouch personally for the edibility of all of the fruit.69.19.14.21 13:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've never heard the g pronounced either. ReaperRob (talk) 04:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the "g" is silent in my area, too. we pronounce it "scup-uh-nons" or "scup-uh-nines". 98.94.53.11 (talk) 06:16, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

but i dont know nuthin bout birthin no babies[edit]

"In addition, seed-spitting contests are an excellent form of entertainment for both men and boys on fall afternoons in the South when all the work is done; and football rivalries play out on the radio." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.147.204 (talk) 23:32, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sugar content?[edit]

What is the sugar content of scuppernong? Komitsuki (talk) 06:25, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

17th Century?[edit]

If the grape was 'discovered' in 1755, then it could not have been cultivated in the 17th century (unless of course it was cultivated by Native Americans). 1755 is in the 18th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.189.76.43 (talk) 19:53, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was reading this article and noted the date of 1524, then for a cross check I looked at the article "Province of Carolina" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Carolina that indicates the Provonce was incorporated in 1629. The first date seems a little early to me. User: BruceV8814. 1-May-2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BruceV8814 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest in the world?[edit]

How can this possibly be the oldest in the world at 400 years old cultivar when the ancient Greeks and Romans were growing grapes for wine centuries before? Please weigh in before I edit this factual error. Tnx, Netherzone (talk) 01:37, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Member of the Wedding[edit]

In Member of the Wedding by Carson McCullers, Frankie at the beginning of the novel goes out to the scuppernong arbor but is too tall to go under it, illustrating how she has grown and is heading towards adulthood. 94.174.55.30 (talk) 23:23, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]