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Çayı or çay?[edit]

Is it ihlamur çayı or ihlamur çay? Badagnani 23:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ıhlamur çayı --deniz 08:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why does the article (and some other websites) say çay? Badagnani 08:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

çay is the nominative case of the tea, çayı is the accusative case. That means wenn used alone, it is çay only, wenn it is used in ıhlamur çayı, the word gets an ending in the Turkish language. CeeGee 09:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, to be pedantic, it isn't the accusative case but an indefinite compound noun. They construct using a similar ending but the grammar is different.--Billyshakes (talk) 02:56, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

wenn: german :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Denizz (talk • contribs) 12:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Turkish Coffee[edit]

In what way is Turkish tea related to Turkish coffee? The plants are not related so you must describe the relationship. Is the custom of drinking them similar? What is the article trying to say? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.127.233.162 (talk) 08:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

total consumption[edit]

With a total tea volume of about 180,000 tonnes in 2004 according to Euromonitor International, Turkey has the second largest tea market in the world after India

it is not production but consumption

divide 180,000 tonnes by 72 million (population of Turkey), you get 2.5 kg/person

it might be production as well (if Turkey does not export tea) deniz 12:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why the figures you added are so different than the worldwide ones that were there before (which I admit I don't know the source for). Doing a Web search, I cannot find anything about tea consumption in China, only production and export. But I find it hard to believe that China, with its enormous population (most of whom drink tea regularly) is not one of the top countries in gross tea consumption. Badagnani 19:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the rest might be just exported/wasted or stats may be about black tea

source 1 (the one I used): [1]

I have another reference which seems more reliable

According to this one, tea production of Turkey is 205 500 tonnes which is 6.4% of the world total (3.2 million tonnes) in 2004.

source 2: [2]

Turkeys tea exports were $6894 thousands and imports were $6633 thousands (compare to China's $451mi export, $6877 thou import, so a net $444million export).

source 3: [3]

So, basically Turkish people consumed (or wasted) as much as tea as it produced. That first source seems more reliable to me now for Turkey's statistics.

The reference of the text that you are reinserting is

source 4: [[4]]

Kenya is the biggest exporter by weight and Sri Lanka by price

Those stats are more reliable as production rather than consumption levels

Then source 4 kinda agrees with source 2

Did you check the prices on the reports by Euromonitor International [5]. I hope GBP is not Great Britain pound.

deniz 22:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Denizz, you seem to be more knowledgeable about me on this subject, so I will leave it from now to you to sort out these facts. You seem to have found some good sources but I still would like the gross production/consumption figures to be stated as well as the per capita ones. Badagnani 23:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ada çay[edit]

In Southern Turkey around Alanya I used to drink a herbal tea called "ada çay" which I believe translates as "island tea". It was bright yellow and aromatic with a flower head in it, and commonly served in tea houses as a quite popular item. Is this still drunk? --MichaelGG 06:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think so.. In fact, I am pretty sure that it is still commonly drunk in the Aegean and Mediterranean provinces.. Baristarim 06:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks as if adaçayı is Sage, specifically the genus Salvia--and that it's drunk primarily on the Mediterranean coast of Turkey (hence the name). Interesting that the flower is used--I've never heard of a culinary use of sage flowers. Or might it have been a flower from a different plant put in the sage tea? Adaçayı may be similar to Sideritis, another herbal tea from the eastern Mediterranean. See these searches for more websites about adaçayı: [6][7][8][9][10][11][12] Badagnani 06:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

citation problem[edit]

"Turkish tea is more popular than Turkish coffee among younger people in Turkey."How do we know this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.156.212.40 (talk) 14:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can approve that. We don't drink coffee as much as we drink tea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.27.111 (talk) 02:18, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nation's founder???=[edit]

" The nation's founder, Atatürk, encouraged tea as an alternative to Turkish coffee, "... What does the nation's founder mean? Who is the founder of the english nation? Who is the founder of the german nation? Do the nations have founders? If so, how can we assess the title founder to somebody? If Atatürk is the founder of Turkish nation, then does not this refute the theory that Turkish people has a history longer than 2000 years? (probably a short circuit in a typical kemalist brain).... It should be "the founder of the republic", more objective and befitting the standarts of the encyclopedia. alpsinan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpsinan (talk • contribs) 00:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is some validity to the "nation's founder" statement. Before the Turkish nationalist movement, there was no such thing as the Turkish nation. Instead, Turkish speakers were considered to be a part of the Muslim millet. You can look up some Turkish history on other Wikipedia articles for references. 76.10.141.243 (talk) 18:47, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OR and WP:SYNTH[edit]

There is no such thing as Turkish tea, neither in history nor in reality. The concept of Turkish tea is unsourced, for a good reason. Don't add fillers to the article that are unrelated. --92slim (talk) 05:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then, here are some sources that i found by briefly googling the concept:

"Classic Turkish Cookery", by Ghillie Bassan, pg. 211
"The Art and Craft of Tea", by Joseph Wesly Uhl, pg. 110
"Tea and Tourism", by Lee Joliffe, pg. 36.
"Global Tea Breeding", pg. 313.

So evidently reliable sources do believe that there is such a thing as Turkish tea. Do you have sources saying otherwise? If not, please stop asserting it doesn't exist. Rwenonah (talk) 14:49, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Although we could do better to support the article with comprehensive inline citations, it's well documented that "Turkish tea" generally refers to black tea, especially domestic tea such as Rize tea, prepared as a diluted concentrate and drunk with sugar from glassware. This method of preparation and serving is apparently common throughout the areas formerly under the direct influence of Ottoman culture, so there's a political and historical element that should be covered in the article. In addition, there are longstanding cultural norms and values surrounding the consumption of tea in Turkey, which also need to be covered in the article. Ibadibam (talk) 23:51, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Please can someone move the title to Turkish tea. Turkish tea has more search results than Tea in Turkey.~~Struck edit/move request from sockpuppet of indefinitely blocked editor. --IamNotU (talk) 02:41, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Any change like would need multiple editors to agree to it and form a WP:CONSENSUS, you can follow the instructions in this guide if you would like to proceed or request assistance again. RhinosF1^(chat)_{(status)(contribs)} 22:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the notices at the top of the page, it was recently moved from the title your requesting. RhinosF1^(chat)_{(status)(contribs)} 22:44, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New Edit[edit]

I am planning on making some changes to the article in the coming weeks. I am hoping to expand the domestic production section and rewrite and write material regarding the economics of tea. I will add subsections such as trade and impacts of covid-19. I hope to add a politics of tea section and zoom in on the current and past governments' relations with tea. I hope to add more to the tea-drinking ritual section and talk about tea gardens and kiraathane's more and how they are evolving with the shifting demographics of Turkey. Finally, I want to touch on the consumption of tea in this section. All the aforementioned suggestions will be from up-to-date sources which I believe will hone this article to be more relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yc7718 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC) Yc7718 (talk) 13:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)Ycc718[reply]