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Burgundian comparisons[edit]

who are these nameless people comparing Yadkin to Burgundy? compare the weather in Dobson and Dijon:

Dobson
Dijon

as you can see, it's a bit of a stretch to say they are alike.--Biturica (talk) 18:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name Change[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move to Yadkin Valley AVA. — TKD::Talk 22:00, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most over American Viticultural Areas on WikiPedia use the style "[Name] AVA" in their title. To conform to the general practice, it might be appropriate to change the name of this article to "Yadkin Valley AVA" Comments? VirginiaProp 13:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per nom yet again. --Thε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 21:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose having an article at Napa Valley (wine) strongly suggests that this article should be renamed Yadkin Valley (wine). Ewlyahoocom 07:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Almost all articles in the category use this type of title, and the Napa Valley (wine) article discusses a region that contains more than one AVA. Anyway, there's no article called Yadkin Valley, so the parenthetical would be unnecessary. Dekimasu よ! 13:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
To many readers, it is clear what a "wine region" is, but "AVA" is merely more alphabet soup. Anthony Appleyard 09:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Over 80% of the American Viticultural Area articles on Wikipedia use the style of "(name) AVA." You can see this on Category:American Viticultural Areas. The Yadkin Valley AVA is the official title provided by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Further, most wine literature uses the style of "(name) AVA" when discussing these particular terroirs. A quick google of the name "Yadkin Valley AVA" or any other AVA will reveal a good number of hits. VirginiaProp 12:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to American Viticultural Area "there are 235 AVAs in 30 states". Are we going to have a new article on each and every one of them? Great! -- it'll be like a whole new List of Pokémon! Ewlyahoocom 04:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eventually, yes. That is a definitive goal of The Wine Project as well as eventually having an article on all 450 French AOC, 311 Italian DOC, etc. Why? Because there is a distinct cultural and encyclopedic value to having these articles-a bit more then Pokemon if I may interject personal opinion. Appellation articles are similar to city articles (of which we have tens of thousands) but with a very important and unique caveat-the terroir and wines of this particular area has demonstrated itself to be completely different and unreproducible in any other part of the world. It's that reason why, despite having over 3.7 million square miles of land in the US there is only 235 AVAs. Not every piece of ground can distinguish itself as something special but these areas have and that is certainly worthy of a Wikipedia article.Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 18:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support the (Name) AVA style has been the consistent choice of the Wine project, especially with the creation of new AVA articles. As for Napa Valley (wine), Dekimasu has correctly described the reasoning behind that though as the Wine Project develops more of the Californian AVA articles you will find some of the content from that page moved to the individual AVA articles with that page serving a similar function as the Bordeaux wine regions. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 19:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Agne. AVA style names are the standard naming convention throughout wikipedia, and is quite well known in the wine world. A "wine region" is a abstract concept, where as an AVA has very specific boundaries and is part of the proper name. --- The Bethling ^(Talk) 04:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Name Change Discussion[edit]

Many of the articles on the French AOCs use the style "(name) AOC." AOC is a similar official wine region designator for French wines. These can be seen by reviewing some of the subcategories for Category:French wine AOCs. VirginiaProp 02:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but AOC is used for "for wines, cheeses, butters, and other agricultural products", basically everything one might buy in a grocery store and every consumer in the EU probably understands what it means. AVA appears to be something thrown together by the "Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau" and whoever even heard of that! Ewlyahoocom 03:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AVA's are well understood by American wine consumers. Any sort of introductory wine book mentions them as the appellation system used in the United States - they've been around for over 25 years, they're well established and the terminology is very commonly used by winemakers. The TTB, until 2002 was part of the ATF, which is a pretty well known department in the government. They just split off the branches related to regulation and taxation from the enforcement. --- The Bethling ^(Talk) 04:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Again it's worth noting that this is the overwhelming naming convention used in the wine world to refer to American wine regions and has been actively used on Wikipedia even before the creation of the Wine Project but has obviously become even more established as Wine Project members work to improve Wikipedia's wine articles. As Bethling noted, it's elementary and introductory knowledge in every major wine book that deals with American wine. Virginia could have easily just boldly moved the page to get it consistent with the other entries in Category:American Viticultural Areas and common usage. This move is more or less procedural. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 18:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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