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Support Me

Hey, How have you been ?? Please support my submission at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Copy_Edit_of_the_Month/August_2012 Thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SajjadF (talk • contribs) 17:29, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Nephrotoma quadrifaria

Sorry but the Nephrotoma quadrifaria is very common in Cantabria; and less common but present, in the rest of all Cantabrian Sea coast and the nord of Castilla y León all in Iberian peninsula. I have many quality photographs (of many different times) of this tipulidae here.

In consecuence, your date about the distribution of the Nephrotoma quadrifaria, is not exact.

Tanks for your time.

Fernando Peón Hernando. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernando Peón (talk • contribs) 21:11, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Fernando, and welcome. I'm not sure why you're telling me. I never edited the article, although I did post at the talk page. (Please feel free to comment on that talk page post.) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia

Thanks for the welcome! I've been here since 2003, but it feels great to be welcomed anyway :) WhisperToMe (talk) 23:27, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Oopsy. The old whisperback-welcome page switcheroo thing. Please remove it if you like. Of course, it does have the hypnotic spinny thing. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

List of soups

From our past communications, since you're interested in food list articles, I've been working on the List of soups article periodically to improve it. Feel free to contribute if you have the time. This article is in pretty good shape, but could use more specific descriptions of the soups, and likely some expansion to include entries that are not currently in the article. At any rate, if you're interested, please feel free to be bold to help improve the article! Northamerica1000(talk) 06:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello, my friend. I may, but I sort of bit off more than I can chew with List of Russian dishes, List of Irish dishes, List of African dishes, List of English dishes‎, and those need the attention more. So, if you have the time, please feel free to expand those. Welcome to Boomerangsville. Population: you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
This is perhaps the quickest reply I've experienced yet on Wikipedia. Thanks for the links, which I will denote and very likely work on in the near future. Peace, Northamerica1000(talk) 06:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. I'm delighted. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:38, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Two Barnstars for you!

The Food and Drink Barnstar   
A barnstar for your significant contributions and initiative in creating the new List of Russian dishes, List of Irish dishes and List of African dishes articles. Thanks for your efforts to improve the encyclopedia for the public! Northamerica1000(talk) 06:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
...Combined with the tireless contributor barnstar, because I'm well aware of the significant effort it takes to create and expand these types of lengthy articles! Northamerica1000(talk) 06:37, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Wow, a star within a star. That's a first. You are very kind. Thank you. By the way, I like your userpage. It's very non-republican. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, you earned them! Hey now, here's another article I just recently created, maybe you can add to it, if you wish: List of sauces. Northamerica1000(talk) 00:13, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Removal of content

The content that I had put and you removed is not copyrighted. So I am free to use it. So, please revert the deletion you made.Shashank Sharma 15:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShashankSharma2511 (talk • contribs)

Oh dear. I'm sorry. It seems to be a report published by RITES. Although the report has no copyright notice on it, their website says © Copyright 2004 RITES Ltd., so I just assumed. Please tell me where it says that the content is public domain. Sorry for the trouble. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:28, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
I think you are right. I will restore the content. ...Although Government (India) works are copyrighted, the reproduction or publication of following works not copy protected...Report of a committee, commission, council, board or other like body appointed by the Government...
Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:38, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
I am a sincere editor so it will never happen that i'll be posting content which doesn't get along with the rules. Btw, thanks for reverting the changes. Nice work with the observation. Happy editing. Cheers.Shashank Sharma 16:20, 3 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShashankSharma2511 (talk • contribs)

Thanks

Hello Anna. I just wanted to thank you for your welcome and good wishes on my next-to-be-made usurpation :') I'd really appreciate all the help as possible :P. Thanks again, and until the next time. Zedd Milestone (talk) 02:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

It's my pleasure. If you ever need anything, just ask. Happy editing. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:23, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Brevipalpus phoenicis

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

...For the barnstar. I'm disappointed that the image garnered "only" 3000 (or so) hits for the article, but I'm so glad it finally ran! --Orlady (talk) 02:52, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm also very pleased it ran. I was disappointed too, but not surprised. It's 2012, so only such species as "Uttertrypus ladygagis" get any attention these days. But, 3k people saw the thing, and that's good, because it's more than the article will get in the next 100 years. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:53, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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Your absence is noticed

Hello Anna Frodesiak, Viriditas has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
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Thanks. I'm making the odd edit to see if it saves. My connection seems better now, and I hope it remains that way. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:10, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Glad to see you have returned. Viriditas (talk) 01:45, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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A cup of coffee for you!

Long time no see! Is your ISP cooperating now? Pine✉ 20:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Pine! Long time indeed. How's things? And yes, it seems much better. Others on the island have been experiencing the same, so maybe it's not ISP money-making shenanigans this time. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:15, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


Suggesting a Commons deletion?

Hello Anna, this image distribution is extremely poor, more or less useless really, so my feeling is that it should probably be deleted altogether. I am not sure even the photo lab could convert it into something useful. The distribution of this marine species as shown extends at least 100 miles inland! What do you think should be done with it? Invertzoo (talk) 19:41, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Susan. I'll see what I can do. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:10, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Okay. I think the best plan is to simply upload a newer version. I can grab a slice of this, and probably get one of the wiz kids to do it.
This is the old version of the red fuzz map. The red line seems not to hug the coast. Could you describe how you would like it to appear? Also, Snek is pretty good with Gimp and may be someone to ask. I'll point out this thread to him. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello again Anna and thanks for taking my question so seriously! I don't know whether we want to create a proper version of this map from scratch properly right now, as it could be a lot of work. It's not as if we are currently trying to get GA or FA status for this article Semicassis granulata. I came across it during routine clean up.

And if we did make a map, this would be the first marine map we have created, so we would want if possible to set it up in such a way that we could use the same system for future marine distribution maps.

This snail has been recorded live from low tide level to 94 m in depth, so it lives in coastal areas and not in the deep sea. But it does not live on land, as is apparently shown in the red fuzzy map!

If we tried to make a map, it would need to include Bermuda as a sort of out-runner. I would not try to show the individual countries from which the species has been recorded, but it might be good to try to indicate the general areas correctly. Invertzoo (talk) 13:31, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The species has been recorded in the literature from:

All good wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 13:31, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Jus wanted to say once again, this does not at all have to get made. :) Invertzoo (talk) 22:50, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

SVG distribution map of Semicassis granulata showing incorrectly deep sea also.
Hello, I was asked for comment so here it is: Maps should be in SVG because such files are easily to modify. For marine species it is very easy to create distribution map, because you will partially hide the blue rectangle behind the grey continent. (For creating SVG distribution maps of terrestrial species it would be useful and necessary (at least for me) to get a blank SVG file with an "ocean layer".) I do not know how to create the distribution map in coastal areas relatively easily. I suppose that it should be possible to make it quite easily; we should ask someone who is very familiar with Inkscape. Moreover I am not sure if there exist any way how to show distribution area to 94 m in depth precisely. --Snek01 (talk) 00:49, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. This map seems fine to me. I think that it is OK that it is not very precise and that it includes deeper water areas. Thank you Michal. Invertzoo (talk) 13:15, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Anna, I think we should now request deletion of the old map? Invertzoo (talk) 13:31, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Speedy template added. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:21, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
I am so glad we got that all sorted out! Maybe at some point we can make more distribution maps for the Western Atlantic marine species. Invertzoo (talk) 00:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm glad too, thanks to Michal. I like the idea of more maps. Maybe it would be a good post at gastropod wikiproject things to do list. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:57, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Good idea. Yes, absolutely, you could go ahead and put it on that list with a link to this map so people had an example to follow. Thanks Anna and thanks Michal. Invertzoo (talk) 12:57, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, that confused the heck out of me. I tried to add "|distribution maps (create species distribution maps like [[:File:Semicassis_granulata_map.svg|this one]])" to Wikipedia:WikiProject Gastropods/to do and it wouldn't appear. Also, there is the word "no" after each item, which is sort of like a confusing deterrent. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:26, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Message from Flugalarm

Hello, Many thanks for your inspiration.Please help me,how I can thank Fut.Pef.Sunshine for his brilliant actions to save an article from wrong edits.I wanted to thank him going directly to his page but failed due to not having the edit possibilities. Please thank him on my behalf.I thank you too.--Flugalarm (talk) 00:05, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise is semi-protected. You can try again, or post your message here, and I will drop a note at his talk page so he sees it. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:29, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Anna Thank you very much

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User:Cptcha

User:Cptcha looks like s/he's up to no good. After reverting a few edits, I noticed the pattern in this user's behaviour. I left a request on said user's talk, but I do not expect a response. How exactly does one go about reporting things like this? Thanks, Aryaman (talk) 10:54, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

It appears to be a vandalism-only account. I gave him a level 4 warning. Next time he vandalizes, he will likely be blocked. Thanks for the notification. You're a good bunny. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:36, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

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By the way, I didn't claim anything like "you have a grudge or vendetta" I simply tried to assure you that "if you have a grudge or vendetta that's alright". Please understand my problem. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 16:18, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Anna what is it that you want? what crusade?? What debate? I am thoroughly confused by your comments here. I told you I hear you. I have apologized to you TWICE on my talk but now you're starting to confuse me and, if you don't me saying, scare me too. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 07:05, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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For helping other editors get through a difficult "Wikipatch" Irondome (talk) 01:39, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. You are very kind. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:07, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


China photo requests

Hi, Anna! Do you go to areas in China other than Hainan? If so, there are other China-related photo requests I have WhisperToMe (talk) 16:53, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello Whisper. I'm afraid I don't travel much around China. Is it location images you seek? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, there are images there I am looking for? What geographic area are you around right now? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:27, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Haikou. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:31, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Ok. Do you sometimes go to other regions of China, like Guangzhou, Shanghai, etc? WhisperToMe (talk) 01:39, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Actually, no. I avoid such huge places. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:08, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Have you been to smaller cities like Xian or Chongqing? I have a few photo requests for those too. If you want, I can look up places in Haikou and see if there are any you would be interested in photographing WhisperToMe (talk) 02:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't been to Xian or Chongqing. I'm not a lazy bones, really. Most of my life has been spent travelling from one country to another, and I've woken up in thousands of different places over the years. I just think I need to rest for a decade or so. Any Haikou photos you like, however, I would be happy to take and upload. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Sure! Have you photographed city and district halls of Haikou and schools in Haikou? I could see if I can find street addresses, in case you haven't photographed those yet. Another idea is a shot of the old Hainan building shown at File:Hainan Airlines headquarters.jpg but of the whole building, instead of focusing on a particular area. Also google maps said there is Haikou Chengxi Middle School, Haizheng School, and Qiongshan Overseas Chinese Middle School (海口市琼山华侨中学) at Fengxiang East Road, Qiongshan, Haikou, Hainan, China WhisperToMe (talk) 12:48, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
If you give me google map coordinates for any location and I will go there and take the photo. If you know the school name but not the coords, I will do my best to find it or have an assistant do so.
The photo at File:Hainan_Airlines_headquarters.jpg was taken by me. They are about to demolish that whole building. It is gutted. Would you still like the photo?
I can get various court building photos, and have already uploaded some other provincial court buildings. I don't know where the city hall is, but I can find that. Again, any coords of locations you want would be great.
I'm keen on any photos of Haikou. This city is changing so fast that today's photos are tomorrow's history. I even started articles for marinas that only have 2 boats. I know that in 5 years they will be packed and look totally different. One day, these pics will look great in the history section of the articles. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I would still like the gutted photo, thanks! When I find a place, I try to get a street address, so I'll see if I can find addresses for those places. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:08, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Are these right?
Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:07, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm checking on the locations of the sat photos, but the addresses are:
http://www.hainan.gov.cn/data/bmxx/2006/02/353/ says that Qiongshan Overseas Chinese Middle School (琼山华侨中学) is now called 海口市教育局直属中学 - But still having trouble finding address
Haikou Chengxi Middle School : 海口市城西中学 - Still trying to find address
A new one: Haikou No. 4 Middle School: 海南省海口市第四中学 - 海南省海口市白龙南路18号 - http://www.hnhksz.com/index.html
WhisperToMe (talk) 20:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Status: Waiting for someone in Haikou to dig up coords for me. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:55, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Anna, check out this information that will help you improve your images of buildings. Viriditas (talk) 07:43, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Old Hainan Airlines building on Hai Xiu Road shortly before demolition

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:54, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Prison food

That would be a good idea - One could see if a U.S. government agency has free images of prison food... or ask for permission for a photo of prison food from a US state correctional agendy. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:46, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I heard a complaint about prison food in the course of taking those pictures . . . not sure if I can get a photo but I suppose there's no harm in asking. groupuscule (talk) 04:38, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks folks. I'll work on it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:11, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
I couldn't find a .gov image. I won't write to a Fed Gov for a photo, but perhaps others could. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:29, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:China Disabled Persons' Federation

Hello Anna. I've removed the speedy tag and left a message in the edit summary. Am I right? I can delete the other page if you want. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 07:36, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Oopy daisy. Nice catch. You are right. Thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I caught the other one too: [1]. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Okay.. both deleted. I remember you username. Actually I mention you at User_talk:Vejvančický#User:Thewolfchild. Hope you don't mind :) Best regards. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 07:48, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
What lovely words. I remember now. Thank you so much, and thank you for catching my mistake. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:51, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Anna :) --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 08:04, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I thank you. :) Oh, and this is the third one I tagged: Wikipedia:Honorable C note It looks like he got his AfD article after all, because it Googles to page one. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:07, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I moved it back to the creator's userspace, the sourcing is not sufficient. Thanks for the link to the AfD ... The subject is better known as Da Honorable CNOTE, Da Honorable C.N.O.T.E. or Honorable C.N.O.T.E., but I still think notability is really thin. I'll notify the creator and will ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Hip hop, they should be better informed :) --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 08:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Cheers. We can let those folks take it from here. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:33, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Bristol Pound images

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Manipal

  • I made those edits as there is no need to list individual colleges of a specific university, see Philadelphia for example, Temple University and University of Pennsylvania have many colleges but their individual colleges are not listed. I forgot to use the comment summary but there was no need to revert the entire edit, a notice on my page would've been enough for that. Gsingh (talk) 03:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
My apologies. I didn't realize that they were colleges of a university. I thought they were individual institutions. Sorry for reverting instead of bringing it up at your user page. I was working quickly and saw no edit summary, and that is sort of my normal practice when I see a chunk that size vanish with no comment. Thanks for your understanding. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:52, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
I understand, sorry for not using an edit summary, I should've used it. :-) Gsingh (talk) 03:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
No worries at all. Sometimes I don't either. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:10, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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Uploaded it for a user. His article got deleted. So, sure. Blow the image out the airlock. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:12, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Editor's Barnstar
Thanks for creating the new Pi in the Sky article, and for your efforts to improve the encyclopedia for the public. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:36, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much. You're a sweetie. Now, on to expanding it. :) :) :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:45, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
And thank you for the banners. I couldn't think of the right ones. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:01, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

From Svdkotikalapudi

The page is still under construction.I need three more days to hear from for any comments and I am happy to listen from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Svdkotikalapudi (talk • contribs) 17:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I replied at your talk. Please tell us if/where the content is copied from. Thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:02, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


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Nice sources. Good find, cheers Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 07:23, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

List of microbreweries

It looks wonderful! A great new asset. Would you consider some sort of table thingy? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:16, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
A table in this particular instance may not be as functional or visually appealing, because most of the articles either don't have images or have small trademarked/copyrighted images of their company logos that wouldn't be usable on the list article due to copyright matters. In this case, unless I'm mistaken, the article would have most entries with blank boxes in the image areas of a table. Of course, it would be possible to omit the image fields and just have a shorter table with images on the right-hand side of the article. Another matter is the time it takes to fill-in short descriptions for each entry...very time consuming! Northamerica1000(talk) 03:53, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and by the way, it looks like your hard work is being appreciated: [2] Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:40, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the stats again! I'm impressed with the number of page hits to the List of pastries article. Quite unexpected. Northamerica1000(talk) 03:53, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Very tasty. I've only had beer from maybe a dozen of them since I prefer Belgian, but cheers to you. For you, Anna, I have a very special lambic in the closet--une biere d'amour. Drmies (talk) 04:01, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Ahhh, beer, the beverage of romance, (except for all the belching). :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for your messaage

Many thanks indeed for the message you left on the talk page of my userpage about the article List of pastries - good to see that it has attracted interest! Best wishes, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 14:43, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Changing a file name on Commons?

Hello Anna banana. I was going through some sea slug articles and I see that This image is incorrectly titled. As I just now noted in the "Description" section, this species was incorrectly identified on Flickr. This is not Tambja sagamiana, but Tambja gabrielae. Do you think you could re-name the file? Thanks! Hugs, Invertzoo (talk) 17:22, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done ... and added to a new cat. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:47, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Random question

Hi,
Why do you have User:Anna Frodesiak/ANI? Keeping a transclusion of the world's greatest source of drama onto a userpage is a little... eccentric. Not that eccentricity is always bad, of course. bobrayner (talk) 22:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Excellent question. I forgot it was there. As I recall, somebody pasted a chunk of content from an the link to an ANI discussion there ages ago. Sometimes I am blocked from viewing ANI, likely because the word "noticeboard" gets detected by the Great Firewall of China. I think it was about some woman promoting her husband's stuntman business, and she was mad at me for AfDing it or something. I will speedy the page now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:27, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
No worries. Have fun! bobrayner (talk) 07:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

QCT

Hi Anna,

Thanks for your message and suggestion to expand Peripheral quantitative computed tomography. However, PQCT is in fact a subheading of QCT technology itself and that's why I want to create the page. How can I proceed? Thanks TSP Evol (talk) 12:45, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'll take your word for that. :) Okay then, sure, continue to prepare Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/QCT, and when it's ready we can name it Peripheral computed tomography. Is that right?
Next issue is Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/QCT appears to contain copy pasted content from other websites. Is this so? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:50, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

QCT

Hi Anna, thanks for your note. No, I think this page should be entitled Quantitative Computed Tomography or preferrrably, QCT as its commonly known in the medical industry. Can you indicate what looks like it's been copied and pasted? That shouldn't be the case. TSP Evol (talk) 13:12, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Oops, of course. I just read what I wrote. Okay, let's avoid the abbreviation and use Quantitative computed tomography.
I copy pasted several sentences into google and it came up verbatim at other sites. Considering you wrote it, you are best able to answer whether or not any is copy pasted. What do you think? Do you remember copy pasting some? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:16, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Comment from a random passerby: I think Quantitative computed tomography is better because "QCT" is a three letter acronym which might easily be used for other things. (A quick google turns up lots of other things called "QCT" and I think at least two of them pass WP:N). So, it's probably best for QCT to be a redirect to the full name, and some day somebody will build it into a disambiguation page instead. bobrayner (talk) 13:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, acronym. That's what I meant. Thanks Bob. I'm a little foggy today. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:55, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

QCT

Hi Anna, I pasted some sentences into Google and see what you mean. I will make changes to the language in the sections that mirror what comes up in search but the information itself won't change that much, that is general information that can be cited. Thanks for your help. I'll edit the troublesome bits. TSP Evol (talk) 13:45, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Splendid. It's important that it's all written from the source into your own words. See: WP:COPYVIO.
About references, at the end of a statement in the article (mid-sentence or at the end after punctuation), add the reference like this:
<ref>{{cite book | last = Quinn | first = Patricia | title = ADD and the College Student: A Guide for High School and College Students with Attention Deficit Disorder | publisher = Magination Press | year = 1994 | location = New York, NY | pages = 2–3 | url = http://www.maginationpress.com/4416630.html | isbn = 1-55798-663-0}}</ref>
Here are a couple of blanks:
<ref>{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= |accessdate=}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= |year= |title= |journal= |volume= |issue= |pages= |publisher= |doi= |url= |accessdate= }}</ref>
Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much, that's helpful! Have a good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TSP Evol (talk • contribs) 14:17, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Anna, people like you are those which make us believe in some hope for Wikipedia. Wholeheartedly all the best, Lignovitae (talk) 23:03, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what I've done to deserve such kind words, but thank you very much. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Re

No problem! I've watchlisted the article, and have already added it to the infobox and linked it in the main article. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 06:29, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. It's much appreciated. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Ping! A possible class project that may need your expertise

Hi Anna.
There appears to be a class project going on, under the subject code "Lib100", which appears to be at tertiary level: see User:Nmisgot/sandbox/Lib100 Students. I remember how you lead the work on:

I'm going to welcome all the students and their professor, but I think your expertise is needed here.
--Shirt58 (talk) 10:39, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Shirt58. I introduced myself. Thanks for the link. I would be happy to help if asked. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:23, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

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Take a look at this copy-paste work

Kindly take a look the article about Gurjant Singh Budhsinghwala. Which I tagged with copy-paste here. Check the current duplication report. And if you could please take the necessary steps that would be great. Also check the talk. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 08:22, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

It seems to be cleaned up. I removed a paragraph taken from another site. I don't think there was any mirror mistake as it's all too recent. I think all the copy paste was just cleaned up. It's probably safe to remove the copyvio tag now, so I removed it. Also, I can't visit the site in the report to check it out.
As you probably now see, there are tons and tons and tons of copyvios. The editor approach of simply deleting offending text is really the only practical way, and what we are supposed to do. See "in a nutshell" at Wikipedia:Copyright violations and Wikipedia:Text Copyright Violations 101#If only part of the article is a problem. If we were to stop and rewrite and resource everything, we wouldn't stand a chance. Drop the folks at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations a line and they will tell you the same thing. Ask Moonriddengirl, she's nice. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:44, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

For being the first person I've ever seen to use the general comments section to well...leave comments. LegoKontribsTalkM 04:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! Someone needed to say it. Actually, I just went back to fix it and somehow wiped out half the RfA. :) I may have a malfunctioning mouse or keyboard because something else strange just happened off-wiki. But it was probably just me. I just can't figure out how. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Oh, yes, that was you. I completely disagreed with you, but rather appreciated that you, well, just commented on the situation, without attacking the players. A couple of late supports did well, too, not post-degeneration late, but still after the bust. There should be a "thanks for being the adult barnstar." But it might be too infrequently given out. Eau(W)oo (talk) 03:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Names mammoths at the BBC

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Request for GPS data assistance

Hi Anna, Noticed you have put some coordinates on the Pigeon Island (New Zealand) article. I am not sure how to collect this data and load it into a page. Looking to do this for mountains etc. Any help appreciated.

thanks andre --Grapeman4 (talk) 09:23, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Andre.
  1. Go to http://maps.google.ca/
  2. Find the location
  3. Right click it and select "What's here?"
  4. Copy the coords it produces in the search box which looks like this: 50.625073,-105.482813
  5. Paste it into one of these to produce such examples:
For articles:
Western hemisphere:{{coord|45.494796|N|73.57619|W|type:landmark|display=title}}
Eastern hemisphere: {{coord|45.494796|N|73.57619|E|type:landmark|display=title}}
For Commons images:
Western hemisphere: {{Location dec|20.062364|-110.334889|}}
Eastern hemisphere: {{Location dec|20.062364|110.334889|}}
Notes: I'm getting the whole western/eastern and -/+ thing wrong probably. I usually do China and N. America, so those seem to work. You may have to try different things. Also, if the commons image is an on-the-ground shot, say of a bridge or something, then the coords are where the cameraperson is standing, not where the bridge is.
Good luck,
Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:39, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Solaster paxillatus

Thanks for finding and uploading the image of Solaster paxillatus and for adding it to the article I was working on. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 15:41, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

You're very welcome. I hope I didn't edit conflict you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

The Last Weekend plot

Is there any way to prove that I work for Carnival? Anything we can do to allow the use of the proposed synopsis? We would prefer to have the official synopsis than a lesser version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SarahLinton (talk • contribs) 14:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think there's a way we can handle that. Besides, the version from the site is certainly not encyclopedic. Please remember this is a site that provides objective facts, not a place to promote products and services. The best plan is to rewrite it objectively. And please read: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:20, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

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About the "User:Nmisgot" class project

Seems rather quiet. Possibly an abandoned class project? --Shirt58 (talk) 13:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Maybe so. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:23, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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Help needed!

Could you please take a look at this copy-vio case for me? Total match candidates found: 374. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 16:29, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I see someone else has already removed it. Please see my reply to your post at: User talk:Anna Frodesiak#Take a look at this copy-paste work. Are you requesting advice? Do you want me to handle them for you? Please tell me why you are bringing these to my attention.
A number of times I've said that it's fine to delete and walk. The first time you attacked me for saying it. Subsequent times you never responded. Please tell me your position on delete-and-walk. But first, if you want to see another ocean of blatant copyvios, check out movie article plot sections. Then say if you still think they should be rewritten instead of simply removed. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:56, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I got your point, won't be bothering you again. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 06:02, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

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My pleasure. And thank you for finding such a good image. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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Attiéké

Attiéké is a new article I created that would benefit from an image of the actual foodstuff. Images on Flickr that I've checked-out are all tagged as "All rights reserved", and hence aren't usable on Wikimedia. If you can find a fair use or public domain image to add to the infobox, it would be great! Thanks for your assistance regarding everything food-related on Wikipedia! Northamerica1000(talk) 12:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. No luck. :( Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Rapping

Rapping is distinct from spoken word poetry in that it is performed in time to a beat

Unfortunately, I think that eliminates Xiangsheng from inclusion. Viriditas (talk) 23:21, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, it sort of has a rhythm. Does that count? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
Hmmm. I looked at the YouTube videos. I just don't see how this could be viewed as a form or variation of rap. Am I missing something? Viriditas (talk) 05:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
No. I'm probably missing something, including a few brain cells, and at least two pairs of scissors. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:41, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
I could be wrong, but I think Xiangsheng is properly categorized as a form of sketch comedy. Viriditas (talk) 05:59, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
BTW, this has potential to be big in the states if we can get some proper translations. It's very interesting to watch. The people involved look like they are really enjoying themselves. There is an incredible amount of freedom and individuality coming through this art. Viriditas (talk) 06:07, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks :)

Thanks for the nice welcome on my (previously non-existent) talk page. Appreciate the links. Gmporr (talk) 05:08, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

You're very welcome. If there's anything you ever need, just ask. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Reply for the suggestions

Thank you for the suggestions, the copy paste edits will be removed and the article will be reedited by me. It was pasted to get some relevant info from the sources, but nothing intentional Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adityamadhav83 (talk • contribs) 10:09, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I understand. Please check the items listed at your talk page. Please go through all your edits and remove or rewrite all copy paste. Copy pasting content from other sites is strictly forbidden. I have watchlisted the pages you've edited. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:13, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

For a great Userpage

The Userpage Barnstar
An article you created was featured as a DYK, and from there I found myself on your amazing user page! I felt compelled to tell you how great it is and reward you for your efforts. You've inspired me to attempt my own portrait gallery. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 21:25, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much. That's very kind of you. It's always nice if I've inspired someone to create a bit of art. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
I'd love to do a gallery like that, too, linking to articles I am most proud of. I don't know how I could produce it, though. Amazing work! I've been to Abitibi Canyon Generating Station, by the way, one of the articles linked in that, as I was starting off on a downriver canoeing trip to James Bay. Thanks also to MasterOfHisOwnDomain for highlighting this. Again, nice work! --doncram 21:45, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you too. :) Say, do you have a photo of Abitibi Canyon Generating Station? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:49, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Applaud your start on Amanda Todd and your user page is brilliant! 142.91.77.139 (talk) 15:37, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much also. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:49, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Questions about Revision Control, Minor Edits

Anna - Does Wikipedia's revision control system have any conflict avoidance or resolution facilities? I.e., what happens if multiple people are editing an article at the same time? Didn't see anything about this in Editing info or FAQs. I know editing a section is better than editing the whole article, but don't know if more than one person could edit the same section without the 2nd person being notified that it was already being edited, or if saving will warn you if a save has been done since you started your edit.

Also, would you consider my changes to Malala_Yousafzai (see revision diffs here) to be minor, as they're only verb tense changes? Not specificially mentioned at Help:Minor_Edit so I didn't mark it minor. Thanks... Greg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmporr (talk • contribs) 03:55, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Your last guess is correct--if someone saved an edit while you were making changes and the software couldn't automatically combine the two sets of changes, you'll be presented with a screen on which you're asked to manually merge the changes. See Help:Edit conflict for details. And those changes can indeed be marked as minor edits--you did not change the substance or meaning of the article, but rather corrected minor errors in grammar. Don't worry too much about whether you're correctly marking something as minor--so long as your classification isn't ridiculous and you're not deliberately passing off a potentially contentious change as a minor edit, it's fine. :) wctaiwan (talk) 05:35, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for stalking by. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:46, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Photos

Thanks for photographing the old Haihang building! WhisperToMe (talk) 15:30, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. I have a couple more showing other angles that I will also upload. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I look forward to seeing them! WhisperToMe (talk) 01:26, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Bagel head

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Washington Bee

The masthead still doesn't seem to be showing. Please revisit. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Never mind. It's there now. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
No problem. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
The problem in part is that the infobox in the Washington Bee had a missing parameter. It is missing "logo". Compare New York Times. I was about to try to fix it myself when you got to it. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I see. I often encounter boxes with missing parameters or that are just twitchy, and that's a pretty solid fix. Now, if someone could help with infoboxes for ports and stadiums, that would be great. Those can be really buggy when it comes to adding images. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I know he is real busy as an Admin stamping out WP:socks, but Bereanhunter knows how to do that stuff. Great editor and helps when he can. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Bereanhunter. Yes. I may bug him. I always get him mixed up with User:Wehwalt, probably because they're both great. Check out Wehwalt. Calling him "good" is like calling the Hercules Superclusters "pretty big". Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:03, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of mammoths

The article List of mammoths has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

not enough items per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Palaeontology#The_table

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In your opinion...

Like I said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milwaukeewobbly (talk • contribs) 00:01, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Nope. You're breaching policy and making disruptive edits. Persist and you may be blocked from editing. Best plan: edit constructively. Please, be a force for good, okay? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:03, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Resilient Barnstar
For forever encouraging people to be a force for good, even despite all you see. A thousand years from now, I might learn to have your patience. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much indeed. It is my hope that some can be turned away from the dark side.
Anna Frodesiak (talk) (Oby-Anna Kenoby) 02:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

File Upload

Hi,

I am trying to upload an image file, but I getting an error displayed on the top of the file upload page, saying 'Sorry, in order to upload files on the English Wikipedia, you need to have a confirmed account. Normally, your account will become confirmed automatically once you have made 10 edits and four days have passed since you created it.'.

I just wanted to confirm that the 10 edits required for this could be of the same page or different pages. Also, is there frequency limit for this (that is, the edits should not be made within one single day).

Please reply me asap.

Thanks, Karan Garg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karan.netsol (talk • contribs) 11:46, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Karan,
From what I know, it is as you quote. Same page is okay, and no other conditions.
May I ask, do you own the image? Would you like it to become public domain? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:20, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


Hi,
Yes, I have the image with me. Also it is available online. Actually I am trying to add the logo and some images on my company's wiki page. It is available under copyright, so I have no intentions to make it publicly available for any use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karan.netsol (talk • contribs) 12:28, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay. As for the logo, it must be added to an article that already exists in the mainspace, and it must be small, and you need to use the right license. If the article exists, tell me the website source and I can do it for you.
If you want to upload other images, like photographs, for use in the article, then I think they will need to become public domain, sort of. Others can download them and reuse them, but they have to credit you. Okay? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:53, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Another school project, perhaps?

Hi again, Anna. See: User talk:Nmisgot. Peter, aka, --Shirt58 (talk) 12:58, 25 October 2012 (UTC) Oops, already mentioned. My mistake. --Shirt58 (talk) 13:02, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Fuzhou Airlines

Hello, Anna Frodesiak,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Fuzhou Airlines should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fuzhou Airlines .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks, — ṞṈ™ 16:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow. That was fast. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:13, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
OMG Sorry Anna. I have withdrawn the nomination so you can work on it. I apologize :( — ṞṈ™ 16:35, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I have closed the AFD with my other account. — ṞṈ™ 16:36, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
That's okay. No apology necessary. Maybe it should be deleted. I don't know. There seems to be quite a few others at Category:Proposed airlines. I figured that if that cat exists, it could be okay. Also, I read WP:TOOSOON and that seemed okay. Sometimes I don't mind barebones articles because then others come along and add info as it comes in. Anyway, thanks for being so nice about it. And really, zap it if you think that's best. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:41, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, I think that you can move it to your sandbox or expand it. Actually, taking a look at it, it has enough sources to be kept until more information is available (it seems to meet GNG). I guess you are right about TOOSOON but sometimes that guideline is not enough in cases like this (in my opinion, it has received too much coverage). If you need any help into expanding it, you may receive help from the WikiProject Airlines. I can help you formatting the sources if you need. Regards. — ṞṈ™ 16:50, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I saved a copy at a sandbox upon seeing the AfD. I figured it would be deleted for sure.
Did you mean: "...in my opinion, it has not received too much coverage..."?
I may indeed bug the airlines project. They could have some inside scoop from industry sites I don't know about.
I notice that some of the other proposed airlines really bombed and now we have a few articles that could be AfD fodder. Fuzhou Airlines will almost certainly be realized though. When George Soros puts up cash, it usually flies. Also, the airlines will get 300+ million USD, so that sort of helps merit a stub right away.
As for refs, I will run reflinks eventually. I usually hold off on it during expansion to reduce clutter. Also, the urls are pretty stable. But thanks for the offer.
Again, many thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:02, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Hehe I meant that for being a still-to-be-properly-established airline, it received a reasonable quantity of coverage. You're welcome :). If you ever need help, send me a message at my main account, User:Hahc21. Regards. — ṞṈ™ 17:12, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, not bad coverage. It's pretty big cash, and a venture by one of the big airlines in China. I expect quite a bit more media coverage soon. Thanks for the offer of help. I will bug you as soon as anything goes pear-shaped. Best wishes. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) ATWonline is a very solid source of aviation news - arguably on a par with flightglobal. In fact, most of the sources look pretty substantial. Whether or not the airline actually takes off, I think it's reached the GNG threshold. bobrayner (talk) 22:08, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi Bob! ATWonline = two items, Flightglobal = donuts. Thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:14, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

From Yashu327

Hi anna,I took this pic from an open source in order to improve the Hyderabad Page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yashu327 (talk • contribs) 12:35, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Great. :) What's the source? Please tell me the website. Many thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Nanjing Normal University - logo01.jpg

Thank you for uploading File:Nanjing Normal University - logo01.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright and licensing status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can verify that it has an acceptable license status and a verifiable source. Please add this information by editing the image description page. You may refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem.

Please also check any other files you may have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a list of your uploads.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Stefan2 (talk) 12:44, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

It seems okay to me. What's missing? I upload tons of these logos, and this seems the same. Hmmmm. Thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:49, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
There's no licence template. You need to add one, for example {{Non-free logo}}. See WP:NFCC#10b. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:18, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. Someone once told me to remove {{Non-free logo}}and replace it with {{Non-free reduced}} when uploading reduced version. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:25, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
{{Non-free logo}} should never be removed, and {{non-free reduced}} should contain a date. The easiest way to add a dated {{non-free reduced}} tag is to use {{subst:furd}}. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:54, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Oh really? Well, there's a particular editor at IRC who told me rubbish, and that editor is going to get a jolly good hiding. :) Thank you very much for the info and taking the time to explain. I will remember and apply it next time. Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

From Adityamadhav83

The content on Bavikonda is not a copy paste, however if it resemble's as a copy paste will rewrite the page, the other two pages are also re written. I am sorry if any copyright violation is done, it was not intentional, i am just gathering the info and want to develop the page, will check all my edits and clear any sort of violation's. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adityamadhav83 (talk • contribs) 06:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, The following are the mobile's and Digital Camera's used by me. So, it's my own photography. Thank you. Nokia C6-00 SAMSUNG GT-S3310i SAMSUNG SGH-E250 SONY DSC-S930 SONY DSC-W510 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adityamadhav83 (talk • contribs) 06:57, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for the reply. I felt it important to check because you make lots of good edits and I wouldn't want you to get in trouble. Thanks, and happy editing. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:53, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Psyborg Corp

Hi, this article is being discussed for deletion. Since you have contributed to it you may be interested in taking part to the discussion. ZipoBibrok5x10^8 (talk) 19:11, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I just moved a ref and ran reflinks, that's it. Thanks though. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello again

Hi Anna,
May I humbly ask for your suggestions on Guo jin min tui? I've made a start, but I don't have your awesome language skills. bobrayner (talk) 22:08, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

1. You must be thinking of one of the Gods of Prose, like Viriditas or Wehwalt.
2. It's economics stuff, which confuses me to no end.
3. It already looks great. You did a great job. :)
Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

zmiana nazwy

Bardzo proszę o poprawę nazwy pliku File:Kościół parafialny Stygmatów św. Franciszka z Asyżu w Osiecznicy 01.jpg - winno być "Tomisławiu" zamiast Osiecznicy. Z góry dziękuję.--Antosh (talk) 08:51, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Baking powder? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Anna, Antosh is saying that you are welcome to improve the file name of "Franciszka z Asyżu w Osiecznicy 01.jpg" replacing "Osiecznicy" with "Tomisławiu". Only problem is that I cannot find the image. Antosh, czy mógłbyś podać link do obrazu? Przepraszam za mój biedny język. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 13:38, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Riley. You're supercool. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 17:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Antosh, please use English here, this is English Wikipedia; or ask Polish speakers at WT:POLAND / Antosh, tu sie pisze po angielsku, to angielska Wikipedia, lub napisz do nas po polsku na WT:POLAND. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:21, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Mattheus Marinus Schepman

To be fair, the deletion did not happen until some 48 minutes after the creation of the article, and it does IMHO qualify as a CSD A7 article. Nevertheless, I have restored it, at your request, in the hope that the author may improve it. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 20:57, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

I always respond quickly to orange bars on my talk page. I did not remove the {{speedy}} tag, but have commented on the article talk page. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 21:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
You were absolutely right to have deleted it. Snek01 should have done more to stabilize it before walking. The only reason I contested it was because of the creator. He knows the malacology field well, so likely knows something about Schepman that's notable. Either he'll expand it and show his notability, or, maybe it'll turn out that Schepman was just a huge windbag, and I will A7 or PROD the stub myself. Many thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
He was a well-published windbag. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:43, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Indeed he was. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
And thank you for finding all those books. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:12, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
And there's a ton more "See also"s that could be added. I have done the first 40 listings under "Schepman". He is a seminal figure and should be worth a WP:DYK assuming we get this over the 1500 characters. However, I need a scientist, taxonomist to look at this. A snail person would be good, too. This is beyond my ken. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
No, this is beyond my ken! bobrayner (talk) 19:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Nevertheless, I've taken a whack at it. It could use some more editing and polishing (not Polish-ing), I think. And I make the pun with the nicest of noncontroversial intentions, being half descended from that ethnic group. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


I see the windbag is expanding nicely. Well done. I posted here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gastropods#Mattheus Marinus Schepman. Oh, and sorry again Bob about not helping with the Chinese article. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I also posted on some other pertinent places around Wikipedia. It would be good to get someone who really knew the subject. My seashell knowledge and collection is rather limited. As to the windbag, I think he is filled with Helium, or I am full of hot air, and expansion has worked out well. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:31, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I think the creator User:Snek01 is the best person for the job. As for the expansion, you did a fine job. Schepman, known to those he bored the hell out of as "Gassy Marinus", would have been proud. You know, there's actually an article about him. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Somewhere I ran across a statement that he had done hundreds of illustrated monographs. Unfortunately, I've been unable to find that. Sigh. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:06, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
It's possible that someone from Project Gastropod will dig something up. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:12, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Do you know someone who has a bot that can substitute his name in the scores of articles where it appears? Here are a few:

That is just the beginning, and there are lots more species. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:23, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Is this the same thing? Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gastropods#Schepman
If not, maybe Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks is the right place to ask. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I posted it at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks per your suggestion. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Bangalore Medical College

I have tried to write the text in my own words in most of the places. In case of the facts and figures i cant help but quote. I have reverted it back and made a few more changes wherever required. Please have a look and let me know if anything else is required. BMCRI is my Alma Mater btw :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nishantgopal (talk • contribs) 11:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

It's better for sure. These paragraphs are still copy paste:
  • "The Alumni Association has..."
  • "M/s. Infosys Foundation has constructed ..."
  • "Cobalt Skies includes ...
  • "The annual Intra college Fest called “CHRYSALIS” ..."
The whole Notable alumni' section of people is copy paste.
Also, in case you didn't know, spaces are normally used with punctuation marks.
Instead of this:
  • I like bunnies(rabbits).They are not only cute,but friendly too.
Try this:
  • I like bunnies (rabbits). They are not only cute, but friendly too.
Thanks, and sorry for the bother. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:23, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I have made the specified changes. Thanks a lot for the contributions! Nishantgopal (talk) 12:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC)Nishantgopal
Sorry. Maybe I wasn't clear. Paragraphs beginning with the following are still copy pasted:
It's better for sure. These paragraphs are still copy paste:
  • "The Alumni Association has..."
  • "M/s. Infosys Foundation has constructed ..."
  • "Cobalt Skies includes ...
  • "The annual Intra college Fest called “CHRYSALIS” ..."
The whole Notable alumni' section of people is still almost all copy paste. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:03, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

BMCRI

Im not really sure what you mean by that Anna. Ive changed the language as much as i can and its considerably different from the source and some of those paragraphs have been written entirely by me. Please make the changes as u feel right. Nishantgopal (talk) 13:25, 31 October 2012 (UTC)Nishantgopal

Again, huge bits are still copy paste from [3] and [4]. Also instead of "dog ,cat" try "dog, cat". See the difference? Also please see other articles so you know where not to use all capital letters and all boldface, and no double spaces between lines. I really don't want to spend 20 min fixing it. Pls fix it or I will remove the lot. Thanks, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:36, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Please see: National University of Singapore for a guide on punctuation and formatting. Also, you uploaded File:Bangalore Medical College & Research Institute Academic Block.png as your own property while it seems that you just took it from the bmcri.org website. Do you own that picture, or is it a copyright violation? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:45, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
And do you own these that you uploaded: File:BMC Gents Hostel.jpg and File:Cobalt Skies.jpg? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:06, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

BMCRI

I have made the required changes in the text.It still requires some formatting which i will subsequently do. The files File:BMC Gents Hostel.jpg is my propert and File:Cobalt Skies.jpg was taken by a friend of mine and has been uploaded with his permission and his contribution has been acknowledged. The file File:Bangalore Medical College & Research Institute Academic Block.png is freely available on the net but is not my property. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nishantgopal (talk • contribs) 14:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay. I will ignore the first two, but have requested deletion of the college image, as that is a copyright violation. Please only upload images that you own. All images on the net are "freely available", but that is very different from "free". Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
ok..i will click one and upload soon. Thanks for bearing with me.First ever edit. Hope u will understand. Nishantgopal (talk) 03:25, 1 November 2012 (UTC)Nishantgopal
Thank you very much. Sorry to make a fuss. There are really only two big, serious things at Wikipedia: copyright matters and making claims about living people. Both can cause legal problems.
Anyway, I hope you continue to edit. Please don't be put off by this first experience. The best way to write content is to copy paste the source to editing software on your computer, and then write a new paragraph below it, using facts from it. Trying to just take a paragraph and change a few words is really risky, and ends up in more work in the end.
Best wishes, and happy future editing. If there's anything you ever need, just ask. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I will keep that in mind.Thanks for helping me out. One more doubt..If i want to upload a photo of a place or a person i dont actually own or have a copyright to, then how should i go about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nishantgopal (talk • contribs) 05:18, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
You must get permission. See User:Anna Frodesiak/OTRS. That's pretty much self-explanatory. If the person sends in that email, then it's fine, otherwise the image isn't allowed. Sometimes, rarely, an image is from a site that says something like "All images at this website are public domain. Go ahead. Use them!" But, that is very, very rare. Usually, the bottom of the website will have "Copyright." Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!

 Northamerica1000 has given you some caramel and a candy apple! Caramel and candy-coated apples are fun Halloween treats, and promote WikiLove on Halloween. Hopefully these have made your Halloween (and the proceeding days) much sweeter. Happy Halloween!


If Trick-or-treaters come your way, add {{subst:Halloween apples}} to their talkpage with a spoooooky message!

Have a happy Halloween! Northamerica1000(talk) 00:46, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I miss halloween. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Mattheus Marinus Schepman as a possible DYK?

Anna, would you perhaps be interested in submitting the DYK for this? It's been so long since I did one that I am very rusty, and also I am a bit too busy IRL. Invertzoo (talk) 18:08, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done User: Doug Coldwell did it, and I made sure that all the contributors are listed. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:06, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Splendid. Thanks. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
link to DYK template for Mattheus Marinus Schepman I think that there may be a better hook than the one that is listed. But the article is still under development, and there are so many possible hooks that it is like being in a fun house or house of mirrors. If anyone has constructive suggestions, they would be appreciated. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:21, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm a fan of punchy, short hooks. Can we squeesze the word "windbag" in? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:25, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Good alternate hook. The other possibility would be to talk about his collection and its sale. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:53, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

A good User page

What is a good user page that isn't an article?

Kelly Swanson (talk) 20:52, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Pardon me for interloping. Depends. See User: Blofeld. Or User: Doug Coldwell Or User: Berean Hunter If you troll the WP:User pages that are done by the editors who do the WP:DYKs on the WP:main page, you will find a host of examples. There is more than one way to skin a cat. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Indeed. The world's your oyster. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:30, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Kelly, I also made a suggestion on your user page. Apparently somebody didn't like your prior content (whatever that was). But If you put on the header that it is your userpage and not an encyclopedia article, I would think that objection would go away. But I am no WP:administrator, so my opinion will not buy you immunity. It's like dealing with a representative of the IRS, which reserves the right to tell you that you have no right to rely upon their advice. User pages are ordinarily deemed to be the 'property' of the user, and it is ordinarily left to them to edit and figure it out. Without interference from anybody. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:37, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
If you want to recover the content of your prior deleted user page, you should be able to get that sent to you by a WP:Administrator. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:41, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


Or, just a blurb about yourself is fine. As long as it's not trying appear as an article, it should be fine. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:42, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Amanda Todd date of birth

I'm unclear exactly what you are challenging regarding Amanda Todd's date of birth. The date November 27, 1996, would not normally require a citation because it is multiply sourced and in particular by her family remembrance page.

However a contributor on the Talk Page has pointed out there is a conflict inherent in a Huffington Post blog he quotes and it is therefore incumbent on us to provide a citation. I provided her family remembrance page but you reverted that claiming it was not an RS. Well, essentially it's a self-publicised source ("blog"), actually a little more than that but let it pass, but not all blogs are autonatically not RS. For example James Blunt's date of birth is cited from a blog.

But if we accept this challenge then we can't accept November as the month of her birth.

On the other hand if we brush aside the challenge with a "whack" of references to November as you do, then the challenge to the multiply sourced November 27 is also brushed away and we do not need a citation.

I intend to make a RfC and would appreciate your remarks as a start editor first. Prhaps you could confirm at the same time whether you are fundamentally opposed to giving her full date of birth. Why is adding the day of the month such a big deal? Are you seriously challenging the date November 27, 1996?

Thank you. FrontBottomFracas (talk) 04:04, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I see you have posted further on the Talk Page. I have also opened a thread at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard here. FrontBottomFracas (talk) 04:51, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi there. It's pretty simple as I see it.
  • If the community wants to leave birth day and date altogether, I'm fine with that.
  • We have no reliable source for day. Blogs don't count, nor do memorial sites. Find a good source, and I will support inclusion.
  • We have reliable sources for month, and I support inclusion because it makes the difference of about a year in estimating her age.
Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:01, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Cheers Anna. Tahnaks. I've now been sent an impecccable RS from Find a Grave as I note on the Talk page and I do hope this stelles all this. I much admired your start, and indeed ErrantX's input. Best. FrontBottomFracas (talk) 06:23, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
I hope Find-A-Grave has photos. Without that, I suspect it will be challenged. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for your Hep at wikipedia chat.

RB-ASHISH Talk to me 06:28, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank's for the kitten. You're welcome. I don't know if I was much help. I still don't understand the organization. It's a very unclear website. Best of luck, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Diplomacy

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
For this. Regardless of anyone's view of the matter in question, regardless of the outcome of the MfD, regardless of whether or not you were successful in your request for Sally Season to remove the names from her userpage, no one can deny that your message to her was the friendliest, most diplomatic thing anyone could have said. I am thoroughly impressed with just how well you worded your message and how friendly you came across. I think if the US had had you on hand at the time, we could have probably avoided the Cuban Missile Crisis. If only every Wikipedian had the attitude that you have when it comes to talking with others (and, I admit, I couldn't hope to be as diplomatic as you). – Richard BB 08:41, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks you so much. Of course, you didn't mention that I mixed up her name, twice. (I'm an idiot.) I must have been thinking of User:Invertzoo. Now, had I accidentally referred to Castro as "Susan", we'd all be skeletons right now. :)
Oh, that reminds me of a skeleton joke: Skeleton goes into a bar and says: "Give me a beer, and a mop." Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
I think misreading "Season" as "Susan" is an easy mistake to make. I should have also added "charming and amusing tangents" to that barnstar: that little skeleton joke had me chuckling at my desk -- as did your tangent about voodoo dolls on Sally's talk page. – Richard BB 09:52, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, I guess Sally Season --> Susan is sort of an understandable brain hiccup. As for the voodoo dolls, I really think they could make a comeback. Could be the next pet rock. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:02, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

User:Michaelt54

Hi, Anna, just a heads up that I have indeffed Michael for violating the conditions of his unblock.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:17, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Bizarre. Like I said "this fellow is a bit unpredictable". Oh well, I guess we can stop keeping an eye on him. :) Thanks for letting me know. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:28, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
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