User talk:BodegasAmbite

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Help Me

Have just joined WikiProject:Wine on 25 April 2007.

I live in Spain (Madrid) and make organic wine. I have a small vineyard in the village of Carabaña (in the Tajuña Valley, abour 50 km from Madrid) with both white (Airén) and red (Tempranillo).

I'm keen to contribute to the Wiki Wine Project but not really sure how to go about it. If anyone reads this, perhaps you could take a little time to set me on the right path :)

My mother tongue is English and I also speak Spanish and Italian, so I could help by translating articles. I could also contribute original content based on my experience of organic viticulture, organic winemaking, and perhaps other general wine info on Spanish wines etc.

I'll continue browsing for a while (before daring to contribute) to learn how everything works, etc. Any help from experienced hands out there would be appreciated though :)

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You may want to look at es:Wikipedia as well. Again, welcome! Real96 10:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject wine. Real96 10:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Sure, see the five pillars in your introduction. But, in my own opinion, the most important rules are: notability, attribution, no original research, cite your sources, don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a point, along with the occasional tone of civilty that users need to have. Real96 11:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I posted information about the wine project on your page. Just follow the links and they should give you instructions on how to sign up for the project. Also, if you have any technical needs, go here. Also, have you ever thought of being adopted? Real96 11:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

adoptoffer

Hi - I've just posted an offer of adoption on your user page and replied to your message on my xitxat page. See you there! mikaul^talk 16:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:Wine Welcome

Thanks for joining the The Wine Project. Please see the project page for general instructions and announcements, including details of our latest projects. Also, be sure to visit the Wine Portal. Again, welcome.--Charleenmerced ^Talk 17:32, 26 April 2007

Wine articles

Hello and welcome to the wine project. There is so much to do in the wine project. I recommend that you start with an article that interests you. We also have a WID (Wine Improvement Drive) every 2 weeks or so. Our current WID article is Bordeaux wine and related Bordeaux region articles. Also, there is the Operation Stub-Killer. Look for any stub articles that are very important and should be a bigger article or one that you consider important and improve it. Wehn you do you can change the Class form Stub to Start or better depending on the state of the article. You can also check the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wine/Tasks to see what needs to be done. If you find an article in Spanish Wikipedia that you think is very good. Translate it into English. We need a bit of help in Rioja (wine) (for the Hisotry section). Check the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wine to see who needs help with what. You should also check the archives for more info: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wine/Archive 1, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wine/Archive 2, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wine/Archive 3, and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wine/Archive 4. I take care of the Portal:Wine and would love suggestions for articles or photos, DYK and quotes. Finally, check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Wine/Newsletter, it is great, fun and very informative! Please let me know if you have any questions. Also, I changed you Userpage for some grammar things (my mother's tongue...). Sorry, I am a grammar nut!--Charleenmerced ^Talk 17:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

By the way, we need pictures for many wine articles. So, if you have the ability to take pictures, please do so! Also, I have been looking for a picture of White Tempranillo that does not have copyright restrictions.--Charleenmerced ^Talk 18:01, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi Fabio, just a note for fufture ref: I'm pretty sure Charleeen's edit on your user page wasn't WP:Vandalism; it's a term reserved for malicious editing and outright destruction of wiki articles (see the link). Charleen has really good English but it's not her first language and idioms like "mother tongue" aren't immediately obvious as such. Never mind, no harm done :o) mikaul^talk 11:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

reply

hi - I've dropped you a line or two ;o) mikaul^talk 18:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Good stuff!

Good to see you getting stuck in! A few constructive comments on your efforts today:

1. Wiki links (the ones in square brackets) need to be in English or they won't work, and external links should be to English-version webpages (with a few exceptions, like your main source of info or something you've translated) There are usually English equivalents of Spanish wikilinks, like the Vinos de España one at the bottom of the Condado page (change it to Spanish wine).
2. Don't just create lists and headings; adding text first and headings only when the text gets unwieldy without them, is a tried and trusted method. It lets other editors add their own angles on a subject, so that the article evolves more organically than the constraints of your predetermined settings. Lists are ok, but if that's all you've got, save it until you have an article! FYI, here are special pages for subjects which just need listing.
3. In general, don't mention/list the añadas, they're just too POV (subjective) sounding for Wikipedia.
4. Condado de Huelva: within the wine project, the jury is still out on whether to mention just some (key) bodegas, all of them, or none at all. For now, keep it to main ones, ideally famous ones, would be my advice.

In general, a little valuable info is better than a load of extraneous detail. But don't worry, it can all be edited later. I can see that you're definitely getting the hang of it, that's the main thing :o) mikaul^talk 19:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Condado de Huelva

Great article! I've just copyedited it, noticed some basic pointers you're missing:

1. Bold the first mention of the article subject
2. Italicise non-English terms
3. Use English namestyles wherever possible (eg Andalusia)
4. Only wikilink the first instance of a word
5. The history sections are fascinating but you desperately need inline references for them
6. Categories (at the end) should be for the en: (English) wiki, or they won't link
7. If you have any photos

I've also added the {{wine}} template on the talk page, but other than that, there wasn't a lot wrong with it at all. Well done!

re Condado de Huelva

Thanks for that encouragement :)

• However, I didn't write it, I just translated it from the Spanish wiki!
• Have taken note of your first 4 recommendations, but I'm afraid I don't how to do the inline references yet. As for the Categories, I don't know what these are at all!!! (yet!)
• I was thinking of copying the phots from the Spanish wiki, but I'm not sure if this is a Good Thing to do or not!

--BodegasAmbite 09:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Airén

Hey, I re-wrote the General info on the Airén grape and I found it a little confusing. Maybe you could take a look at it and make it more plain English?--Charleenmerced ^Talk 16:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• I fixed the references section so they are actually links, I removed the stub assessment and tag. This could easily be made into a B article. Good work getting all the info. just needs are re-write. I am currently in finals, so if you can do the first re-write (please remove the bold from the dates) and I can do a final copy edit. Also, can you point me out to where you found the general description? I wanna take a look at it to maybe change a few things and make it more readable to the lay man.--Charleenmerced ^Talk 16:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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--SorenDT 01:34, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi BodegasAmbite! I'm looking very much forward to your wikientry on Organic Wine. I would be very grateful if you could contact me on email regarding the subject. I'm a uni student doing a project on the organic wine industry in Spain and thus not allowed to quote from wikipedia (due to the fact that it can be edited).

I would be very happy if you could contact me on soda04ae@student.cbs.dk or weblimit2004-wikipedia@yahoo.com to answer a few important questions that would be of great value to us.

Best regards,

SorenDT.

Calatayud

I just read a bit on this. It is one and the same. You should jsut add the DO info into the town page otherwise we would create 2 articles about the same place. I write this assuming that you are writing an article about the DO region and that Calatayud is not a grape or something.--Charleenmerced ^Talk 16:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

WP and Wikipedia basic info

A stub is a very small article. A Start article, is an article that is underway, longer than a stub but still neds work. A B article is one better than a Start, but references, sections and a good deal of info. A GA article is a Good Article. For this, an article needs to be nominated for GA status and editors that belong to a project that assess articles for GA status determine whether it is GA. Same for A and FA (Featured articles, which is the best status there is). db - meeans that an article has, should be, will be nominated for speedy deletion. wikify means that you have provided internal links through these [[]] and that the article has been divided into sections and that it has an intro paragraph. Tags are codes that can denominate a project, that there are spoilers, that article should have references, should be deleted, etc, etc. Ok, if you have any questions at all, please feel free to ask them on the WP or my talk page. I'll love to help in whatever you need. Also, I am done with finals tomorrow Friday (wohoo!) and I had a look at the Calatayud article in Spanish and it is soooo much better. I will translate it and we can easily change the class of the article to maybe even GA! You work on the DO part and I'll work on the town. I'll check other articles and see whether there should be 2 different ones. You should still ask the question as to whether there should be 2 different articles in the WP talk page. Gather some consensus and we'll go from there. BTW, thanks for all of your edits and additions to Wine related pages!--Charleenmerced ^Talk 18:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Userpages

Hi, how goes it? Busy, I see! Me too, just with other things. I noticed you were trying out a new article on your user page and thought I would point out a way of avoiding cluttering it up. You can create yourself another userpage to practice on. Just go to your normal user page (user:BodegasAmbite) and in your browser URL window (what do you call that?) add a forward slash ( / ) followed by the name of your new page (call it what you like; the convention is to name it "sandbox", but the choice is yours) When you hit return, the "no page exists" page will come up, so create your page and that's it, you have a "spare" user page to mess about with, which no-one sees unless you point them there.
Hope that's of some use to you. Cheers for now!
mikaul^talk 08:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
ps I'm glad you didn't change your name in the end, it's grown on me :o)

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Airén

It's such a good wine, I can't help snooping and checkin how the article is coming along.. the version at your sandbox looks really good, apart from the reliance (almost total) on direct inline quotation from your sources. Here and there it's a good idea, especially from historical sources, but mostly you ought to be summarising and interpreting your sources in your own words, perhaps using a footnote system like {{reflist}} to cite each entry. You have an excellent writing style and don't need to let mere published authors have the final word! Hope you don't mind me butting in ;o) if you're unsure what the hell I'm on about, let me know. Oh, and a keep an eye out for the correos these next few days! Cheers ~ mikaul^talk 15:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Hola amigo. Note categories are in english also not espanol. Saludos y gracias por tu contribuciones ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 15:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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For you

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		For all your work in improving Wikipedia's coverage of Spanish wines and wine regions. In a relatively short frame of time the quality of our coverage has risen dramatically and you are the driving force behind that. You are a considerable asset to the Wine Project and I just wanted to let you know that your efforts are greatly appreciated. AgneCheese/Wine 14:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Is this true?

In my research on the Rioja (wine) article I came across this tidbit which seems a bit odd. It's from a good source but...wow.

“ A unique DO regulation stipulates that the cost of the grapes used to make Rioja must exceed by at least 200% the national average of wine grapes used in all Spanish wines.<ref> K. MacNeil ''The Wine Bible'' pg 417 Workman Publishing 2001 ISBN 1563054345 </ref> ”

I figure our resident Spanish winemaker would be the best to ask about this. :) Agne^Cheese/^Wine 04:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Agne,

I've never heard of that fact before, but I'll investigate and see what I can come up with. The only thing I know about the Rioja DO regulations (and this is hearsay only, not from any specific reliable source) is that they are a bit stricter than other DO's regulations. I think this is because Rioja is actively trying to negate the widespread public perception that it imports grapes from other regions (esp. La Mancha) to blend and to market under the Rioja DO label. This is based on the "fact" that Rioja is a very small region yet manages to export billions of bottles all over the world! But again this is just "common knowledge", not based on any source that I know of.

Interesting. Since it has a reliable source, I added it to the article but if you find something conflicting it, we can remove it. If you get a chance, take a look at the Rioja (wine) and History of Rioja wine article and let me know if you see any areas of improvement. An expert eye is always a plus. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 09:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

sure, I'll take a look. However, I ought to say that I am in no way an 'expert', as I have no formal qualifications in winemaking or vineyard management. I think the main contribution I have is 'hands-on' or 'streetwise' knowledge from the School of Hard Knocks :) --BodegasAmbite 11:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

I just noticed that that barnstar above is for me!!!! Well, thank you very much! I'm touched, and dont know waht so say or do! --BodegasAmbite 11:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

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When you get an opportunity, would you check this out?

An anon has made some subtle changes to temperature and rainfall numbers on the Almansa (DO) and I'm not sure how completely legit they are. Since you originally created the article, I figured you were the best person to ask. :) Agne^Cheese/^Wine 20:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Agne,

I've started investigating a bit; it seems that Almansa DO doesn't have its own official web-site - but I'll keep looking. Give me a few days, and I'll check out those temperatures too. --BodegasAmbite (talk) 16:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Spanish wine regions

Hi! You have removed Gran Canaria and La Gomera DOs from the table, but these two Denominaciones de Origen do exist, althouth the Spanish Ministry of Agriculture web page is not up to date and may not list them. Also, the Alicante DO takes part of the Region of Murcia, which you have also removed. Regards--Té y kriptonita (talk) 21:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Txacolí de Álava‎

Hi. You wrote me to point out that the article on Txacolí de Álava‎ is about the DO and not about the wine, so you reverted my changes. That's fine, except now you are back to having a lead sentence that asserts where the topic is rather than what it is. I'm going to reword it slightly. —Largo Plazo (talk) 14:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi LargoPlazo. Thanks for your help and comments. I've been creating articles for all the Spanish DO's over the last year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_wine_regions) and I'm almost finished. Ideally I would like them all to have the same format (ie, similar introduction, same subsections, etc) but unfortunately I didn't think of that when I started! (I just started wiki last year I am still not to hot on formatting, etc). Have a quick look at the other DO's and tell me what you think! --BodegasAmbite (talk) 14:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I looked at a couple of them already, the other two that you created in the last hour or so, and they looked fine, stating up front that each one *is* a DO (see WP:Lead section, by the way), though I took the liberty of hyperlinking the DO phrase in each of them. Also, after consistently applying the Txacolí spelling throughout that article, I created a redirection page for Chacolí de Álava‎ for people who look under that spelling. —Largo Plazo (talk) 14:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

thanks. BTW, why do you prefer 'Txacoli' to 'Chacoli'? I know that this is sensitive issue (for some people) and have seen some quasi-flame wars happen over similar spelling issues. I'm sure there are some wiki-guidelines for this, but I dont know where! --BodegasAmbite (talk) 14:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a preference; I've never heard of them before. It's the spelling you chose for the article's title, so it makes sense for it to be the spelling used in the article, with the other spelling noted as an alternative. I can imagine some Basque/Castillian conflict over the version used, but in the end it's gotta be one or the other! —Largo Plazo (talk) 15:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Newly created wine region articles

Hello Bodegas, nice to see that you're at work to complete our coverage of DOs and so on. As a small tip, it would be practical if you added categories and interwiki links as soon as you create an article, even if you start it as just a stub. While some of us access through the WP:WINE assessment log, the categories are probably a more important tool for most seekers of information. Regards, Tomas e (talk) 11:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, could you check if Valles de Benavente (DO) is really a DO? I don't speak Spanish, but my understanding of the list in es:Anexo:Vinos de España is that it is listed as a Vino de la Tierra, although such things can of course change over time. Tomas e (talk) 11:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I've been searching all day on the internet it it seems that Valles de Benavente is in fact NOT a D.O. I cant find any official reliable source affirming its DO status, although there are several 'unreliable' pages (eg blogs, internet wine sales, etc) that list it as a DO. What to do? It should be removed from the list of DO's but I'm afraid I'm not very skilful at redirecting/deliting/fixing this kind of thing. Could someone please advise? Mea culpa! I was a bit too hasty there. --BodegasAmbite (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I renamed the article to "plain" Valles de Benavente and removed DO references, while keeping it in Category:Wine regions of Spain and so on. Tomas e (talk) 13:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

re User:58.107.179.146

Thanks for your message at my talkpage; yes, being called a Nazi (enabler) can often be regarded by a lot of people as a big insult - so I removed the message. It is still in your history, I presume you have read it, but perhaps ignoring such comments and deleting them is the best approach (such posters are rarely inconvenienced by such things as truth and logic). Enjoy your editing. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Your Italian expertise needed!

Hey Bodega! We're having some communication issues with an Italian editor regarding "spumante" and other things. We could use someone who maybe able to converse with him in Italian to try and solve things amicably. Would you be willing to lend a hand? Agne^Cheese/^Wine 04:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Agne, sorry I've taken so long to reply - this is my first day back on-line after the holidays!

Of course I'll try to help out! Tell me what I have to do. --BodegasAmbite (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Well the editor hasn't been causing any more trouble lately so maybe the issue is resolved. You can take a look at the link I posted above to the wine project discussion just so that you are caught up on the situation in case he starts up again. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 02:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

April 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to Sistema Ibérico, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 21:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I translated bits from the Spanish wiki, which also doesn't cite any sources! What to do? --BodegasAmbite (talk) 07:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Are familiar enough with the topic to know of some sources that can be used? Don't worry if you can't find any right away; while it's important for all articles to have sources, generally I find that articles about places are given more time before people challenge them (i.e. nominate them for deletion). Generally it's topics that are potentially controversial (especially biography articles) that are more heavily scrutinized. There's plenty of time to "get it right" here. I'm not sure how familiar you are with adding sources, but here's a couple guidelines that can help determine what types of sources to use and how to add them:

• WP:CITE
• WP:RS

I hope this helps. Feel free to leave me a message if you need any further help improving this article. Regards, --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 11:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

to move it, move it

Hola

I moved the txakoli DO articles to the names used in the headlines of the councils' webpages. I understand from your message that you might not know how to change the name of an article ? It can be done just by clicking on the "move" link above, or by keeping [alt] and [shift] pressed while pressing [m]. Besides, I see you uploaded detailed photos of vines to this English language Wikipedia. In case you have more quality pictures that could be useful for other Wikimedia projects, please upload them to Commons. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/ Agur. --Javierme (talk) 22:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The Priorat classification mess

Hello Bodegas. Are you sure it's correct to call Priorat (DOQ) a DOCa? I decided to go for the Catalan term in the lead since, as far as my sources tell, its status has so far never been confirmed by "Madrid". Thus, its classification would seem to rest on Catalan and presumably Catalan-language official documents only. It is a mess, but I tried on purpose to be correct. Tomas e (talk) 18:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi Tomas, Good question! No, I'm not at all sure about that! I'm afraid I just jumped to conclusions, assuming that if it's classified as a DOQ, then it would automatically be a DOCa too. I don't know if that is really the case. It's certainly a legal and linguistic mess - i'll investigate and do some research. In the meantime, revert the intro to what it was before, if you think it better (I'm not sure if I know how to do it myself!). In fact, the only reason i changed it was that I'm working my way through all the DOs, making the first sentence the same, ie "XYZ is a Spanish Denominación de Origen (DO) for wines located in ...". And for the Catalan DOs I put "Denominació d'Origen in Catalan" in brackets. I'm wondering now whether it should be the other way around. --BodegasAmbite (talk) 23:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

On Valencia

Hi,
You are editing and creting some Valencia (DO) articles. Great. A detail: would'n't it be OK to reduce the intoductioary links to only one Valencia-province or region mentinoning? -DePiep (talk) 22:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I suppose it would be. I'll see what I can do! --BodegasAmbite (talk) 08:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Stone Cliff Winery

Hi there. Please remember that the fact that a subject does not meet WP:N is in itself not a reason for speedy deletion. The only criterion that would have covered this article is A7 but it has much lower standards that the article does fulfill. If you think it's about a non-notable company, please use WP:AFD instead. Regards SoWhy 15:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. This is my first time proposing an article for deletion and was unsure which way to go. --BodegasAmbite (talk) 16:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, we live and learn. I declined a bunch of those now. Please make yourself familiar with A7's wording. This essay tries to clarify this criterion's common mistakes. WP:FIELD and WP:WIHSD explain speedy deletion further in case you have further questions regarding this way of deletion. If you have further questions, feel free to ask me. Regards SoWhy 16:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Notability tags

Hi BodegasAmbite

You have placed {{notability}} and/or {{prod}} tags on several obviously notable wineries. It is customary to do news and web searches before tagging articles in this manner.

Regards, Bongomatic 15:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC) Should you wish to reply, please do so here. I will watch this page for a few days, so no {{talkback}} or other comment on my talk page is required.

Bongomatic, on the one hand if these wineries ae 'obviously notable' why are there not numerous reliable references given? I assume the {{notability}} tag will encourage the interested authors to provide such references. On the other hand, I confess that I didn't do a web search, I just based myself on the (lack of) references and possible self-promotion in some cases. Point taken though, I'll do more research in future before adding tags. --BodegasAmbite (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. If you believe that a topic is notable but is not sufficiently referenced, the {{refimprove}} or {{unreferenced}} tag is quite useful. If you think an article is promotional, try the {{advert}} tag. Regards, Bongomatic 16:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Greetings. You also questioned the notability of my article. As I'm new to Wikipedia, I'm still learning the ropes and wondering how many references one needs to be considered notable. I have listed four publications as sources, but could easily add more. Please feel free to discuss. Regards, Jesteban78 (talk) 03:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Jesteban78,

First, thanks for contributing to the WikiWineProject. I was new too once and am still learning the ropes! I'll try and give you a few pointers (though I'm by no means an expert in these issues):

In answer to your question above: it's not the number of references that is important for conferring notability, It's their quality! As it says in WP:N:

"If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." I would recommend you to read that article - just click on this link: WP:N. It's a good article and amongst other things it defines what is meant by 'significant', 'reliable', 'sources', 'independent', etc.

It would also be really helpful to you to read the other current deletion discussions that are going on for other wineries. For example here at the TalkPage of the WikiWineProject [[1]]. And on the MainPage, scrolling down a bit you can see the list of Wineries that have been proposed for deletion [[2]]. Feel free ask me questions, etc and I'll do my best to answer. --BodegasAmbite (talk) 09:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

DO de Pago location maps

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Location of Dominio de Valdepusa

Hi Ambite, I found this template of Spain to locate de DOs de Pago. It's not great, but I having problems to create specific maps for these DOs to show only a dot on them. I think this one may do the job meanwhile. Saludos --Té y kriptonita (talk) 17:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Té,

Excellente! I think it's a great map. A dot would be far too small anyway, if it were to scale, as those Pagos are just estates, not big regions. Saludos, --BodegasAmbite (talk) 21:20, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Dehesa del Carrizal

Hi Ambite, the link and the content of this article does not actually correspond to the vino de pago Dehesa del Carrizal. I was going to translate it when I realised that it is located in the province of Toledo instead of Albacete. The link you provided is for Dehesa el Carrascal, a different finca and wine. This is the right link http://www.dehesadelcarrizal.com/index.html Saludos --Té y kriptonita (talk) 21:08, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Following up on some de-prodding

Hey Bodegas! I've been following up with some of editors that have de-prodded articles without making any efforts to solve the original problem and help the article establish notability. The editor who de-prodded Domain Day responded on my talk page that he doesn't have objections to an AfD on the article. Looking at the reliable sources, they all seem to be brief, trivial "Pizzeria" type mentions. Do you think it should go to AfD? Agne^Cheese/^Wine 04:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello BodegasAmbite, you put a prod on Folie à Deux (winery) and it was removed. Do you intend to take the article to AfD? Xxanthippe (talk) 04:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC).

Hi both! I'm afraid I'm going to to be really busy for the next month or so and wont be able to participate at all in Wikipedia. (grape harvesting and processing!!). I'll be back as soon as I can! --BodegasAmbite (talk) 10:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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Sistema Ibérico

I got the info box to show on Sistema Ibérico. Sections on vegetation and animal life would improve the article. Saludos! Xufanc (talk) 13:56, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks Xufranc,

I've been very inactive on wikipedia recently I'm afraid. After the holidays I'll try to start contributing again. Feliz navidad! :)--BodegasAmbite (talk) 12:21, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Important Wine Project discussion needs input!

Hello, the Wine Project is currently in the process of hammering out a proposed policy relating to Wikipedia:Notability (wine topics). As Wikipedia and its wine coverage continues to grow, the need for a clear, concise guideline on how Wikipedia's notability policies such as WP:CORP, WP:SIGCOV and WP:NOTE relate to wine articles has emerged. Please review the proposed policy and take part in the talk page discussion Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(wine_topics)#Ready_to_go_live.3F. All input and view points are welcomed. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 21:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Markham

Hi BodegasAmbite. I noticed you reinserted a {{notability}} tag at Markham Vineyards. As the result of the most recent deletion discussion was "keep", reflecting a consensus that the subject meets inclusion guidelines, such a tag is not appropriate. If you continue to have concerns about the notability of the subject, please re-nominate the article for deletion. Regards, ^Bongo_matic 09:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe a notability tag is appropriate whenever there is no evidence of notability, either in the article itself or after a search in Google. Is the burden of proof not on you to provide something notable? Surely that's the whole point of notability tags - to alert users to provide some!!!--BodegasAmbite (talk) 15:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The community consensus was that notability has been demonstrated. You disagree, which is fine. But your opinion is not sufficient to override the consensus. ^Bongo_matic 15:55, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

So what should I do if I want to have this article deleted? Assuming that I don't find anything notable after doing a thorough search, that is.--BodegasAmbite (talk) 15:59, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Nominate it for deletion again. ^Bongo_matic 16:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

OK. Will search for notability first. --BodegasAmbite (talk) 16:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Airén

Hello Bodegas, haven't seen you editing in a while, I suppose vineyard activities keep you busy? When I went through some grape variety articles, I realised that Airén isn't illustrated. Do I remember right if I think that you actually grow Airén? Is there any possibility of you taking some photos of some vines, and later in the season perhaps some closeups of some ripe grapes and clusters? Regards, Tomas e (talk) 16:21, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Tomas e, Yes, this is the first time in months that I've logged in. I'm sure i've got photos of Airén bunches. I'll post as soon as poss (I I can remember how to do it!!!) --BodegasAmbite (talk) 23:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

hi again Tomas e, I've found a great picture of an Airén vine in my files, but I really have forgotten how to upload it! Can I email it to you or something? --BodegasAmbite (talk) 22:14, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I could upload it with your permission. Go to my user page User:Tomas e and click on "E-mail this user" to get into touch via email. Tomas e (talk) 17:42, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Moldvan Wine info

Hi, BodegasAmbit

About wines. Moldovan. I didn't enter very often last time in Wikipedia, so sorry to write just now. You asked about Moldovan Wine collections and cellars of Milestii Mici lnklnk, Cricova lnk[3], and Branesti lnk1[4], link2[5], other info en English Moldovan wine tours lnk[6]. Sorry actually have no time to edit that articles by myself.

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OK, I've checked the metadata and it's OK to move the file to Commons. --BodegasAmbite (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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