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List of Premier League winning players

In response to this edit summary: it does indeed say nationality, not national team, which makes it *even more* confusing that you're adding national team links. As the column is for nationalities, we should be linking to the country articles and not the national team articles. And see WP:BRD: you were bold, I reverted, now the change should be discussed instead of an edit war taking place. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:07, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Bold. Lol. The abbreviated countries look terrible, especially in a wide table, and as they're footballers I linked the football team of their nation however, in order not to confuse, the column is listed as Nationality not National Team. Felixsv7 (talk) 20:24, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Not sure what you find funny there? But you're actually *causing* confusion by listing the column heading as 'Nationality' when what's *actually* linked are national teams! Mattythewhite (talk) 20:56, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

July 2020

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"International goals" tables

Hi. I just saw this change at Maksim Shatskikh. Two things:

Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 15:06, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Ah v well, thanks for that Felixsv7 (talk) 15:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Regarding your changes at Maksim_Shatskikh: MOS:BOLD still applies. Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players the correct table style is "{| class="wikitable sortable"". Robby.is.on (talk) 19:24, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
@Robby.is.on: Yikes, apologies! I'd been good with the lack of bolding but clearly just copied it from my previous table rather than using the template - hasn't happened again! The rowspan'ing though, surely within consecutive games within a tournament it is useful? At least that's how I've been operating.... Felixsv7 (talk) 21:40, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
No problem. :-) To my eyes, it's useful but in the interest of accessibility I'd play it safe and only "rowspan" matches.
Then again, perhaps the best thing to do would be to reach out to blind editors or other experts on accessibility. I might look into that. Robby.is.on (talk) 21:57, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

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Referencing

Hi Felix. You updated international caps at Petit Sory and Morlaye Soumah (and probably at other articles I don't have on my watchlist) referencing RSSSF in your edit summaries. However, neither of the two articles have an RSSSF source… Please fix that. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 13:35, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

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List of top international men's football goal scorers by country

The 89 still stands in this article, could you please correct to 84? Not very savvy with codes and stuff myself personally. Splićanin (talk) 17:17, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Sure bud, shall do Felixsv7 (talk) 17:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

That's brilliant, would have done myself absolutely the same. Here too, please. Splićanin (talk) 17:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Done. Though I have no doubt that certain Malaysian football fans will not be happy! Felixsv7 (talk) 18:16, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
The match against Indonesia in 1977 is listed by FIFA so its 85. But they put the wrong date. The actual date is 29 July 1977. Source. Hussein Saeed and Cha Bum-kun also scored against Indonesia. DatabolaMY (talk) 12:37, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

84 is the upper limit. I'm in disbelief that FIFA counts these "cups". Rest of the world is unhappy with Puskas sharing third. Can't wait for CR7 to bag 110. Splićanin (talk) 23:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

FIFA counts these "cups" as 'Friendlies' because it is a friendly tournament. In the past East Asian countries regularly play in these friendlies tournament, Merdeka Tournament, Korea Cup, King's Cup and Jakarta Anniversary Tournament. DatabolaMY (talk) 12:37, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
@DatabolaMY: I read your comment on the leading scorers of Japan, South Korea, Iraq and Singapore and their inclusion of Olympic qualifiers in their record totals and remember reading that FIFA issued their rule that Olympic matches were not to be counted (in a meeting in 1999 I think) however many nations chose to grandfather-in previous records, therefore I have reverted Mokhtar's tally on List of top international men's football goal scorers by country to remain consistent. I'll also have to research the veracity of my statement and then add some text in the header to clarify this for future readers. Felixsv7 (talk) 12:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

National team template

Why do you feel like you own all the national team pages and are pushing a new template on it? This has no input from the majority of national team editors, it's only about 3 of you that are pushing these changes.Bihnt123 (talk) 22:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@Bihnt123: Hey mate, I don't feel I have ownership of any of the pages however I do think that pages should align with the recognised template. Obviously if you disagree, let's have a conversation about how the templates for every national team could be improved upon - as you can see from my conversation here, I have no qualms with being wrong. Why do you feel that the previous version of Bosnia and Herzegovina national football team was better? I'm glad you've made an account so that we can have a more constructive dialogue rather than just impulsively reverting each other's work. Felixsv7 (talk) 12:15, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
@Felixsv7: Yea no thanks, I'm over this. You reported me without replying to any of my points, immediately claiming WP:OWN since you and the 2 others from the template page outnumbered me. You didn't want a discussion, you wanted to create a standarized template without input from any of the national team editors. And I'm sure that you will never update that page again because all you cared about was pushing your own template, not actually updating statistics and history which I did after every match. You pushed out a legitimate wikipedia user who cares about archiving because you don't know how to engage with people. I'm over it, the page can decay like most other national teams nowadays.Bihnt123 (talk) 23:22, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
@Bihnt123: Which points did you feel weren't addressed? I didn't report you or claim WP:OWN, instead objected at being reverted without dialogue, raised it as an issue in the appropriate forum and gained consensus for the popular format. You then continued to revert, breaching 3RR. All national team editors are able to participate in the conversation, there is no elitist cabal, therefore I'm not sure what your complaint is. I'm glad you care about archiving and I'm not sure how the template format prevents you from doing so. Felixsv7 (talk) 14:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

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Records for Brunei

Thank you for your recent edit of Brunei national football team and creating the player records column, citing NFT as source. However most of the lineups of the first 50 games (from 1971 to 1998) of the national team are not known, so it might not be an accurate representation of fact, hence my reservations of creating such a column. As for goalscorers, there are still three goals that are unaccounted for (v Philippines on 20 Nov 1977, v Myanmar on 14 Mar 1998, v Laos on 16 Mar 1998) but the rest are known through my research, so I will be amending your list. かぴさん Kapisan (talk) 01:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Kapisan2016: Excellent! Though any research that you've collected you can forward on to NFT who have been swift in updating their records when I've presented them with mistakes or omissions in their data. I look forward to seeing your amendments! Have a good day, Felixsv7 (talk) 07:07, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

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Philippines national football team player records

National-football-teams.com isn't reliable for all countries. There is a lot missing as far as the Philippines is concerned. The fact there is a lot of historical data missing means that you cannot say player A is 7th in the all time list of caps records or player B is 5th in the all time list of goalscorers. You also didn't message me on my talk page as you claimed you did. On top of that, the onus isn't on me to provide reliable sources. You're the one hellbent adding a player records section therefore the onus is on YOU to provide a reliable source! Your usage of "further additions" or "further expansion" is wrong. You only use that type of tag is the given info is already backed up by reliable sources to begin with but the given info isn't comprehensive. You'd use that for something like a history section. Not for a list of players for all time caps and goals records. Bottom line, if you can't provide an actual reliable source, then the entire section needs to be removed. Gilaska Ace (talk) 16:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

@Gilaska Ace: Heya chap, yes, NFT.com is not a complete database but currently none exists on the web and this applies across all nations, from the Philippines through Asian, African and North American football. As for NFT not being a reliable source, could you reference where you've seen that as generally (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Archive 86#Queries) it has been considered a reliable source by editors. I added the "further expansion" tag as the stats for the time-period are correct though it misses information from before 1996 - and it removes possible reader confusion but I am not wedded to the idea. However overall, the information displayed is correct, according to a source that has been deemed as reliable therefore the data should be displayed until people can source more data Felixsv7 (talk) 20:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

June 2021

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@GiantSnowman: I think this is harsh as I added my change, then reverted twice, then deliberately stopped reverting as you can see from United Arab Emirates national football team's Revision History. I then took it to the Talk page and gained a consensus. Felixsv7 (talk) 20:18, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

You and BF and the IP have been engaged in an edit war for too long. You all need to stop it. GiantSnowman 20:19, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman: I'd agree but I haven't breached 3RR. Felixsv7 (talk) 20:24, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Please read the warning carefully. "You can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule". GiantSnowman 20:24, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
@GiantSnowman: And I'm agreeing that if I had not taken this to both the football Noticeboard as well as the Talk page in order to talk about the edits, or if I had indeed fallen foul of 3RR, then I'd be at fault - however I feel you are conflating my edits with the others' which is why I felt the warning was unwarranted. Either way I guess I'm not blocked so it's not a big deal but nevertheless I'd appreciate your opinion / input on the Talk page to help gain a consensus to put the issue to bed. Felixsv7 (talk) 21:43, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

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American Samoa national football team

Hello, I noticed you reverted one of my edits at American Samoa national football team. I just want to discuss it with you as I agree, it does impact a lot of other articles - all of which should follow MOS:FLAGS. It is only fair to readers that we follow policies like this as not everyone knows what the flag of Germany is or that New Caledonia is part of France and uses the French flag as one of its two national flags. I would also point out that other stuff exists, that doesn't mean we should blindly follow what another article does if there is a policy or consensus that is different to it. I do want to know what you think as you've put a lot of work into national team articles and I did want to try and promote the American Samoa article to a good article at some point but that won't happen until we can source the coaching history section so help with that would be appreciated. Thanks, Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:19, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey @Stevie fae Scotland:! Thanks for reaching out, I'll have a look for any coaching data and add it if my hunt is successful.

MOS:FLAGS does leave an exception for sports statistics which could apply here but the main reason that I feel that the flag and year can be solely used is that the host country isn't the primary focus of the table, it's more about the team in question's record and the flag does enough to differentiate between each competition - for me. If you're worried about getting American Samoa to good, Peru and Belgium are featured and contain a similar layout, though your point about other stuff exists still stands I guess. A similar layout is also suggested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams. In actuality, it's really an aesthetic thing for me, I just think it looks better but am happy to be overruled, though given my obsessive desire to have all national teams complying with a similar structure, it could involve a lot of editing for me! Felixsv7 (talk) 15:42, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, sorry it's taken so long to reply. I feel exactly the same way about them all having a similar structure (My focus right now is on national team results articles, I've got one confederation done, just the other five to go). When I updated the American Samoa article, I copied the format from Scotland national football team which doesn't have the flags in the competitive results section per MOS:FLAGS. I love a good flag as well but we need to be flexible as editors and follow these policies so that Wikipedia can be used and understood by everyone. It's a pain because it means editing a lot of articles but it'll be a step in the right direction. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 20:46, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@Stevie fae Scotland: - I'm fully onboard with the conformity though you may want to run it by Wikiproject:Football as the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/National teams manual of style does suggest the version of the table with the flag included - or, compromise, the flag and name! Felixsv7 (talk) 21:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey, listen, you don't understand

You need to help me. Thinks are not like you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.153.237.172 (talk) 14:42, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

You need to edit the page as like what I proposed because only so can UAE defeat Vietnam. You don't understand. Vietnam is a very arrogant team, if you read their fans comments you will be very angry and wants to destroy them. Please, you must trust me. 59.153.237.172 (talk) 14:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia edits have no bearing in the physical world. Felixsv7 (talk) 14:52, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
It does. I have edit long enough to know that it does affect the physical world. I have watched how the articles change and how things change after they are edited. This is scientific, not some magical make-up.59.153.237.172 (talk) 14:54, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” - Mark Twain. Felixsv7 (talk) 14:57, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
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