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Tembin

er...it's not a Cat 4 yet, Meow. -- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 13:44, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Uh... 110 knots. Sorry. -- Meow 13:48, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

lol no worries! Just watch out, as shown here! -- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 13:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

But you are still right. It is cat3 instead of cat4. -- Meow 13:53, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Almost cat 3, but keep an eye! not now! don't change to Cat 3 right now!-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 13:55, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

I have read the warning from the JTWC. 110 knots— category 3. -- Meow 14:14, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, okay, you can do it now-the cat 3 thing-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 14:18, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

You two can not say that the JTWC upgraded a typhoon to a cat 3 as they didnt because the JTWC does not use the SSHS.Jason Rees (talk) 17:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

So I use strengthened instead of upgraded now. -- Meow 23:53, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Same problem - you can not directly say that the JTWC uses the SSHS in article space because its original research since they stupidly dont use it (we usually use equivalent too).Jason Rees (talk) 00:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

It does not say The JTWC reported that the system strengthened to a category 4 typhoon. -- Meow 00:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

No it said that it rapidly developed into a cat 1 2 3 4, which is even worse since the SSHS isnt the only 1-5 scale.Jason Rees (talk) 01:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Weird... ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 13:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Earth100 it is not weird to say that the JTWC did not report that a system has strengthened to a category 4 typhoon because that is Original Research since they do not say that in their advisories. That is the JTWC advisories and not Weather Underground.Jason Rees (talk) 21:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

What i know is that, weather underground uses JTWC data to make it's form of data, but in which results underground to be less real-time.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 01:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Weater Underground is not a valid source for saying that the JTWC reported that a tropical cyclone strengthened into a Cat 4 tropical cyclone.Jason Rees (talk) 12:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Tembin

Better get ready as majority of forecast models suggest that Typhoon Tembin (2012) will hit your country. Be safe there okay ?It is getting stronger. Our prayers go with you co - editor. Stay safe and God bless! Jpuligan 12 (talk) 09:20, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Don’t worry, as I live close to Taipei 101. :P -- Meow 10:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

HAHA ((: Taipei 101 is a strong and high building :D Anyway stay safe (: Jpuligan 12 (talk) 17:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey co - editor what is the situation there?stay safe Jpuligan 12 (talk) 09:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I am afraid that Tembin will move really slowly and even loop. -- Meow 09:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

It definitely looped, and is one of the few typhoons with weird tracks. It will be a few years before we may see such a Fujiwhara effect, causing a weird path!-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 13:08, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

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Red?

Hey, if you want the "User:meow" title to red, just copy this: {{DISPLAYTITLE:User:Meow}}

and place it at the top of your user home page.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 05:10, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Thanks for adding back the Tropical Depressions! It's wonderful! I now have time, and i'm going to help you. :) Thank you for adding very very true info on the new TD! ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 10:53, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Many editors...**?

What's wrong, you don't seem to be the usual meow?-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 05:10, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Listen Meow Wang, if you are just bored and gave that message to me it was kinda weird. But thank, you. If you want to say something, just say it. I don't think that you should quit-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 05:16, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

I cannot tolerate that the tropical depression is merged into another section. -- Meow 06:02, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Wait...so you are saying you ALSO want the Tropical Depression to be moved out of the "other storms systems"?? If you do, the fact is i also can't stand it-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 06:06, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:2012 Pacific typhoon season#Some tropical depressions should not be merged -- Meow 06:31, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay, meow, i will help you later in the afternoon! I'm busy now. I will support your view, and what you said earlier at my talk page was very reasonable.Yep, i agree.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 07:35, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Well, I have added two tropical depressions back, but I will not recover another minimal tropical depressions. -- Meow 07:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay i think that is good enough.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 10:54, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Meow, dont be an idiot and quit just because i have moved several tropical depressions to an "other storms" section as i have several reasons behind this move including removing the Original Research that is in the article.Jason Rees (talk) 14:11, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh, i think she just throwing a temper. But really nice... -- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 23:58, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

I quit for those two significant tropical depressions. You all suck at wrong information and treat the JMA so badly. Why should Wikipedia be ruined by many members who do not understand tropical cyclones at all? -- Meow 04:55, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Meow - wikipedia is not being ruined by members who do not understand tropical cyclones. I merged the tropical depressions with the other storms section after cleaning them up and removing all of the ORGINIAL RESEARCH added by you and others and finding out that there is not enough to be said about them after the details have sourced with sources that can be understood by all and not just satellite imagery. I also note that i am trying to clean the sections up so that we can avoid yet another crappy typhoon season article. As for your allegation that we treat the JMA badly - i would argue that we dont and that there are VALID REASONS for any examples that you may provide.Jason Rees (talk) 22:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey

What should we do now, as the TDs are all dumped to the bin? Leave it alone? please reply (not you Jason)-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 12:23, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Two tropical depressions should be recovered, for the JMA actually issued warnings on them. -- Meow 13:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Oy. If a tropical depression is to be moved out of the other storms section we need something more than "the JMA actually issued warnings on them" as thats not that notable since they are not the full warnings. I also want to take this opportunity to remind you both, that wikipedia needs data to be backed up by a reliable source and not made up or derived from a satellite and that we can not rate storms on the SSHS since the JTWC does not rate them on the SSHS.Jason Rees (talk) 18:51, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah yeah yeah, Jason. -- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 00:06, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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Tours in your country

Hello Meow.

Since you are a Taiwanese, do you know any routes, to hiking up an area in Taiwan, which can view an ocean of clouds? I even notice that the ocean of clouds can form over Taipei, and much of what inspired me to go to Taiwan, is the video, and this video. As a Hongkongner, i've explored every square kilometer of my city, from the tallest hills, beaches, to the most remote crystal clear streams. After seeing that video, i thought, wow, in Taiwan, you can see an ocean of clouds, and the Milky Way..etc! -- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 12:47, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I think Yangmingshan is a good place for this. Maybe the top of Taipei 101 can be, too. -- Meow 14:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but i want somewhere remote...farther away from the cities. I may be in my favorite island by the next few years. And man, Taiwan's Sweet Potatoes are STUNNING! They're wonderfully sweet! -- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 14:39, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, that is easier. How about Alishan and Hehuanshan? -- Meow 15:09, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, Hehuanshan looks good place. How about some crystal clear beaches like Tai Long Wan in your country?

There are lots of beautiful beaches in New Taipei and Hengchun, but New Taipei beaches are closed in winter. -- Meow 13:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Oy

Meow, may you please explain this?-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 14:49, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Discussion on JMA TDs with 35kts

Hey meow, do you think a discussion should be made on the talk page of the 2012 PTS, on whether or not if the TDs should be putted to their place? If you think so, i think i would like to use the same template as the one here.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 12:54, 16 October 2012 (UTC) They don’t have the same situation, but some of them should not be merged into one section at all. Why 35 knots? TDs with 35 knots winds are already tropical storms. -- Meow 13:24, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Whoops, it's just that i'm not used to the knots thing. So.. do you think a discussion is needed? I think every tropical cyclone member should discuss. -- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 05:13, 17 October 2012 (UTC) I think those two TDs are emergent. -- Meow 12:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Is a dissuasion needed to restore the strong JMA TD's-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 13:06, 17 October 2012 (UTC) PLease reply.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 03:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Absolutely. -- Meow 10:34, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, i'm going to create the template for discussion in 24hours.

We really do not need yet another discussion on the tropical depressions when while they may be significant according to the JMA there is nothing to note that can be sourced, bar it formed it moved and it dissipated.Jason Rees (talk) 14:55, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Meow, the Discussion has been made on the 2012PTS Talk page-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 11:24, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

your Grammars.

Hey Meeeoow,....~ can you explain the quote on your User page? The part that says "Also, I am like wearing nothing when swimming." Should be said:"Also, i like wearing nothing when swimming."

-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 06:24, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

They are totally different. One is an adjective and the other is a verb. -- Meow 10:52, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

It does not make sense.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 12:23, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I am like is similar to I look like. -- Meow 13:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

One word:Weird.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 03:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Why weird? -- Meow 03:50, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Sometimes i just don't understand the weird world.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉^Talk_Contribs 12:09, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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December 2012

Hello Meow, i noticed you have reverted Vandalism from Anonymous201, and you typed in along with your reverted edit "Fucking stupid dumbs" That's extremely rude, and it is better to say, "reverted vandalism". Thank You for reading.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉ ^Talk _Contribs 02:19, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

To rude people, I have to be ruder that makes them want to kill themselves. -- Meow 02:24, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

However, the ruder you are, the more people will do bad things, as it just stirs up hatred. However, if you leave a kind message on advice, they could have a chance to improve, and contribute.

That's why the pen is stronger than the sword. Fight bad with kind, loving feedback. -- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉ ^Talk _Contribs 05:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello Meow, You have messages at my talk page.-- ✯Earth100✯ ☉‿☉ ^Talk _Contribs 03:23, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on Typhoon Bopha (2012). Thank you. Edit summaries like "You should leave Wikipedia" are extremely unhelpful. Please assume good faith and stick to civil discussions. Inks.LWC (talk) 04:21, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Great, now i hope you and i got a GOOD lesson.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:14, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Yep. I should not have wasted time on you at all. That is what I learnt. -- Meow 05:50, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

And Meow, your 'Congratulations' message on my talk page, was a extremely childish behavior message. You gave me the message like a gift, but i did not accepted it. If you are wise enough, you will understand what i said. Please stop your childish behavior, as it is highly unacceptable.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 08:52, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Why can’t I give the child a gift? He never learnt well, so I have to. -- Meow 09:07, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Rudeness is the gift you gave me. I did not accept it. I accepted your message but not your rudeness. --✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 13:19, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I suggest both of you stop talking to each other and avoid articles that the other has edited. If you two keep this up, I'll take it to WP:AN/I. Inks.LWC (talk) 02:21, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Enjoy Wikipedia as your playground, Earth100. You are just forcing people who improve Wikipedia to quit. -- Meow 00:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Playground?! winning?! How dare you say this. I didn't even thought of me winning anything. The real crappy information is you, and you are just making a ton of nonsense info and replies. This will be my last message.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 03:37, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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I don’t care. I won’t edit any article related to typhoons in 2012 for at least a half of year. I quit. -- Meow 17:01, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Regardless of what you decide to edit, you can't leave summaries and comments like that Meow. I'm pretty easy to get along with, but you can't act in a way that runs off people. It isn't an option. I have no opinion on your edits, but you have been here long enough to know some of your actions crossed the line by a large margin. There is plenty of room for blame with others, but that doesn't excuse stuff like "I have to be ruder that makes them want to kill themselves.". Come on, you know that is just going to cause unnecessary drama. I don't care what you edit, just tone it back and keep the comments on the merits. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 17:26, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I just don’t know how to stop people who are always destroying Wikipedia. -- Meow 15:46, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

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2013 JMA TD

Actually it first appeared on December 30, 2012 as shown here: http://agora.ex.nii.ac.jp/digital-typhoon/globe/color/2012/2048x2048/MTS212123000.globe.1.jpg However that is Original Research, and it was still below Tropical Depression Intensity at that time, so it should be in the 2013 article.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 15:39, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, just take RSMC - Tokyo’s tropical depression status as the standard. -- Meow 16:40, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Why do you have 8 toes?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 06:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

That is just my own character’s. Well, where did you get information? -- Meow 08:59, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I see. Well, there is only one place that said that information-your site. Funny, 8 toes kinda weird.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 12:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

All cats have eight toes. That’s why. -- Meow 12:15, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I know that cats have eight toes, and i have thought of the meaning, i was just checking for alternative answers. In real live, i love cats. If you cite follows a catchphrase of cheetahs, cats, in real live do you really like cats?--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 12:51, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

‘If you site follows a catchphrase of cheetahs, cats’— what does it mean? -- Meow 12:54, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I meant site.--✯Earth100✯ (talk✉) 05:12, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I like them. -- Meow 06:14, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Gafilo

If you are planning on expanding Gafilo out some more, then may i suggest that you use the Reunion ATCR for 03-04 located here as it contains a full blown report on the system from Reunions prospective. Kind Regards.Jason Rees (talk) 16:30, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much. This may really help a lot, although the Flash interface is so annoying. -- Meow 16:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Id suggest that you use it in conjunction with other sources like the JTWC BT, Reunion BT, JTWC Advisories, Reunion ads (if they are in the MT Archive) and Gary Padgetts monthly summary.Jason Rees (talk) 17:01, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the MT Archive contains both PGTW (JTWC) and FMEE (MFR) reasonings. FMEE ones even contain reasonings for Gafilo’s subtropical period. May I know where is Gary Padgetts’ summary? -- Meow 17:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Gary Padgetts Summary.Jason Rees (talk) 17:41, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Would Wikipedia accept this? It is from neither governments nor schools. -- Meow 17:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

We accept it since it is a well respected source of information as proven by the fact that various forecasters of the RSMC's/TCWC sent him various tidbits on a regular basis (eg: in that issue you can find out how to pronounce Gafilo correctly) and the fact that he is cited in several of the seasonal summuaries. I believe they were designed to be a source of information that complimented the operational information but were generally released before the BT or TCR.Jason Rees (talk) 17:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I decided to rewrite the article in my sandbox first for preventing mistakes.-- Meow 05:25, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok :) Just make sure you are saying equivalent to a category X cyclone since the JTWC doesnt acctully uses the SSHS.Jason Rees (talk) 12:59, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I use ‘reaching category x strength on the SSHS instead. -- Meow 15:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

[1] Do you know how to open this kind of files? -- Meow 14:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey, I saw you started Gafilo, but then stopped. I'm willing to tackle the article, as I'm currently doing a few SWIO season GT's in a row, and 03-04 SWIO is next. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:31, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I am rewriting it in my sandbox. It is almost done, as what I need are only more pictures and impact information. -- Meow 17:38, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah cool, my bad. Good luck then! :) --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Some issue still bothers me. That is why the progress slows down. -- Meow 17:43, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I wish I were more knowledgeable about HDF files in that case. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:01, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I have finished the article. You could take a look at it, but I think it will be neither good nor featured. -- Meow 05:44, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very kindly for your important contributions to the article, it is good work! One thing I would recommend is using inline citations to support your claims, using ref tags and a {{Reflist}} template at the end of the article (see here for examples). While your way of citing sources is acceptable, it is conventional for tropical cyclone articles to make use of a reference list with inline citations. Thanks again, and please, do continue editing! Auree ^★★ 09:36, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

That is not possible, as most of contents are from the Annual Report, Best Track Data and MT Archives. It is the reason why I can only put them into the References section instead of citing all warnings. You can also take a look at cyclones in 2004— their citations are already broken, but mine all work. -- Meow 10:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

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Agencies

Hi Meow, I realize that English may not be your preferred language but when writing about agencies we do put "the JMA reported and the JTWC reported" and not just "JTWC or JMA" reported to make it grammatically accurate as the JTWC do on at least page 3, 4, 15, 43 of their 2011 ATCR, however it is not the PAGASA as that doesnt make sense.Jason Rees (talk) 03:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

We should use what agencies use. This document also proves that JMA is official instead of the JMA. English is your preferred language, but it cannot prove that your ‘the JMA’ is accurate. -- Meow 05:32, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

We should use what's grammatically correct and not what you think the agencies use since they can use both.Jason Rees (talk) 16:31, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

re:reviewing

Hey there! Mostly, you can re-assess on your own, if you believe that something you edited is truly of a better category than what it's currently listed as. If you improve an article enough and think it's worthy of being a good article, you can put this-

on the talk page of the article. But to get there, you have to be sure the article is in great shape, with good referencing and no missing details. As far as upgrading something from stub to start, or start to C, it's pretty subjective, but generally a stub has a ton of missing info, start has some missing info and some formatting issues, and C-class means that it's in decent shape but something is lacking. Hope that helps! Which articles did you work on, btw? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:20, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I have almost rewritten Gafilo and Jangmi. I also have rewritten over a half of contents of Megi, Damrey and Jelawat. They should not be just Start or C. Besides, I also wonder why Megi is not related to WikiProject Taiwan, as it killed 38 people in Taiwan. -- Meow 18:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, as I said before, if you want a GA review, you can post what I put above on the talk page of one of those articles, and if you want to raise them from Start to C, you can do it yourself :) --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

This also applies to other Wikiprojects unless your otherwise informed.Jason Rees (talk) 17:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

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Nitpick

I know PAGASA ussually name systems as they move into the PAR, but Utor was named while it was outside the Philippine Area of Responsibility - so i feel that approached is the better word to use. Sorry for the nitpick - Kind Regards.Jason Rees (talk) 14:52, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting the detail. -- Meow 01:27, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Phailin a Cat1?

JTWC still rates it at 55 knots. Any other reference? Rishabh Tatiraju (talk) 07:38, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

[2] I do not have time to wait for the warning later so I have to put it earlier. -- Meow 07:40, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Lekima

Apologies if you feel that I went too far, with the bits that had too come out of Lekima because of verification issues.Jason Rees (talk) 05:17, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Haiyan

I am not going to have this discussion again. DO NOT remove "the" from in front of acronyms that cannot be pronounced, it's proper grammar to have them their. Additionally, please do not use knots in prose. We keep it simple by using km/h and mph as knots is only used as a means of uniformity between agencies. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:17, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

zh:熱帶低氣壓威爾瑪 (2013年)

Hey. I'm not sure whether you'll visit zhwiki regularly or not, as you said earlier that you're mostly active on enwiki. So I thought it's better to inform you here, that User:74.76.61.135 deleted a lot of contents in zh:熱帶低氣壓威爾瑪 (2013年) for the second time (I reverted it again). Would yo like to discuss this issue with him or her first (starting from AGF)? If negotiation doesn't work, you may directly submit this case to zh:WP:VIP. Regards, Kou Do u 03:56, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I cannot negotiate with a guest. They just need to block that IP. -- Meow 04:34, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Negotiation is always required even if an editor doesn't use an account, but IP address instead, otherwise the admins won't accept a block request. I would recommend you to leave a message on User:74.76.61.135's talk page asking is there any solution for this - if you don't, then solve this in your own way, if possible. Kou Do u 04:54, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Tropical Storm 60W for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Tropical Storm 60W is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tropical Storm 60W until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:45, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Recent article

Hey there! I just wanna say, you did a good job with your new article on TS 60W. It's well-written, and the citations are great. The only problem is that the thing wasn't really a TS, but that's besides the point. You also did a good job with TS Wilma in 2013. My point is that you're a good article writer. I was wondering, have you considered improving some of the existing articles on Wikipedia? I also work on Pacific articles (recently finished Typhoon Nabi), and there are a lot of pretty lousy articles in the basin. Your writing talents would do wonders! :) It's pretty rare we have someone capable of writing and sourcing. We only have like 10 main writers now, and there are still a bunch of articles out there that could use work. I'd love to collaborate with you on some typhoon article, if you're interested. Don't be discouraged that a recent article of yours might be merged :) That just means you have to work on something slightly more notable. Keep it up, and I'll be seeing you around. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:23, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I reveal a secret that many people did not know before, but Wikipedia editors tend to keep the 2006 Central Pacific cyclone instead of 60W. It is not notable just because NRL tries to hide, but I can make more people know there are still some storms worthy to know. If 60W is merged, information will be incomplete, and then people will delete it from history. I cannot let 60W be gone, or I will stop writing anything in Wikipedia. This is Wikipedia, for knowledge and truths.-- Meow 17:06, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I forgot about the 2006 CPAC cyclone. I'd be fine merging that one too. It's a tricky situation. Even though they're tracked by NRL, it doesn't mean they're official cyclones. And for what it's worth, I don't even see where they track 60W on NRL. The link [3] doesn't include the storm. In general, we don't have detailed coverage for systems that aren't official tropical or subtropical cyclones. I gotta say, you did great research on it, and I would hate for the info to be deleted. You could always have it in user space, for what it's worth. That way, it would show up in searches for this specific storm, such as on Google, but it wouldn't be an official article (due to the storm having questionable status for it being a tropical cyclone). I'd hate to lose you as an author. You do good work and have great potential! We all have to work together :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

It is not included in the website, but 60W still exists in the NRL database which is always accessible. Why can’t a system designated by NRL be considered as official? Even JTWC collects information from NRL, I don’t see why 60W should be merged. If NRL cannot be relied on, those TDs recognized only by JTWC should be also deleted in Wikipedia, as JTWC is not an RSMC. Becoming a user subpage is also not a good result, as people would not trust it at all. -- Meow 18:29, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, a few points. Could you link me to prove it was called 60W? And regardless of that, NRL uses JTWC data, not the other way around. NRL isn't an independent warning agency. Just because might get T numbers of tropical storm status from SAB doesn't mean it's a tropical storm. The same scenario happened in the Mediterranean in 2011 with 01M. It didn't get an article because it wasn't official. And I'm emphasizing the word official for a reason. All JTWC and JMa storms get reanalyzed after the season and become part of the best track. 60W is not one of those storms. Which is why if it were in user space, it might be a bad thing that people don't think it's 100% official. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 19:54, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

60W is always in NRL’s database. TDs like Winnie in 2004 are not included in the best track data, but none of them is worthy to have an article? 60W still has importance to be a single article. By the way, I am also writing a similar system but recognised by agencies. I hope nobody will question on this. -- Meow 20:04, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Winnie killed over a thousand people. This was a short-lived extratropical storm. There is a difference. What makes this storm special, in your opinion? If it were a named tropical storm, would this still have gotten an article? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:37, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

This article of that unnamed storm but with a special designation has the right to exist. I spent much time on making a baby, but people said it should be killed. Do you know that feeling? I am fighting with murderers. -- Meow 02:16, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

It hasnt been given a special designation though - it is an INTERNAL designation on a system that has somehow made it on to the public servers. It is not a cover up, attempt to hide the truth etc and we are not murderers.Jason Rees (talk) 02:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

It becomes more important now as an internal system like 50L is public as of today. I started to doubt the reason why you guys want to merge it: The author of the 60W article. You won’t do anything if it were written by someone else. -- Meow 02:33, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

The fact that an internal designation has become a public, does not change the fact that the system does not need an article. Also please stop with the mudslinging and assume good faith, it is very annoying to see you making false accusations about us being murderers and that we wouldnt "do anything if it were written by someone else because we would." I will also note that several of the main editors would know better than to make an article on a system, that was located in the open ocean like this.Jason Rees (talk) 02:42, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I proposed a new solution for solving all arguments, but it makes 60W clearly no longer tropical.-- Meow 05:01, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm interested, what's the new article you're working on? :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:45, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

I will try to finish it tomorrow. In fact, I have already done or updated articles like Jangmi in 2008, Megi in 2010, Damrey and Jelawat in 2012, and Lekima in 2013. However, although I am from Taiwan, I spent more time on rewriting Cyclone Gafilo. -- Meow 19:22, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Youve also helped me try and keep the Pacific typhoon season articles in order, which i thank you for. :)Jason Rees (talk) 19:51, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, but I never had any good or featured article before. My ability is not enough. -- Meow 20:11, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

You have the ability to do one but a Pacific Typhoon is a hard subject to get up to snuff, which is one of the reasons i prefer the SPAC/Aus region.Jason Rees (talk) 20:17, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

People think my articles are weaselly, non-neutral, and synthesized. So failure of 60W is not caused by itself, that is actually caused by myself. As people think my articles are that terrible, I should think of stopping writing in Wikipedia. -- Meow 04:19, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

I have done Haiyan. Everybody knows its name.-- Meow 14:42, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

The main problem with your articles is that they are very non-notable. Your writing isn't terrible, you just write a lot about storms that don't affect land, and aren't important. Your work on Cyclone Gafilo was good! If you did storms like that, I guarantee you wouldn't have issues with people questioning the existence of articles you write. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Do you think I did anything wrong on Haiyan in 2007? Not affecting land does not mean non-importance at all, as agencies were confused about this system. My research on “Haiyan” is the fourth greatest during CMA’s contest this year, and JTWC actually spent much time on this little storm. After Typhoon Haiyan last year, I suddenly lost interest on strong systems which affect land. I don’t want to write something which makes me think about many people were drowned. I even donated 50 USD to Haiyan-victims to help them and eased my pain. I really feel depressed that you don’t like my articles and want me to contact with dead people. -- Meow 14:58, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, no impact does mean less importance, in fact. Our most viewed articles are the ones of storms affecting land. I was pained by Typhoon Haiyan last year too, and also donated to victims. I don't want you to contact dead people, but if you're only writing on storms that didn't affect land, then you're writing only for yourself, as those articles are not going to get viewed much. Myself, I prefer to write about deadly storms, as they're more likely to be viewed. That way, people affected by the storm will have a good article to view on it. I'd rather that then they see a very poorly written article on the storm that affected them. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Despite that failed 60W, my only article which does not feature an intense storm is actually only this “Haiyan”. I have reasons why I focus on the storm. First, I interest in subtropical cyclones, so I can do something for that “Haiyan”. Second, there are many wrong contests about “Haiyan”, so making this article is the way to reduce those mistakes. Moreover, I want to use this “Haiyan” to ease my pain caused by another Haiyan in 2013, so I can finally concentrate on other important storms in the future. I am thinking about improving the article of a typhoon in 2008 or create an article for a typhoon in 2007, and they are very important for people in the Philippines and Taiwan. -- Meow 15:16, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Yea, but Haiyan 07 simply doesn't have enough content to justify its own article. Why does your pain "have to be erased"? It's only a name. Had it being named something else, it would be just as non-article worthy. What typhoons from 2007 and 2008 are you planning on doing? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 15:45, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Maybe Haiyan in 2007 is not important for ordinary. It is a remarkable weather event for meteorology, and it is possibly the only case that JTWC declared that a tropical cyclone developed from an extratropical low and later a subtropical depression. It has seven solid paragraphs that is already very enough for a single article. I am thinking about Krosa in 2007 and Fengshen in 2008. -- Meow 15:52, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

But that happens regularly throughout the world, what Haiyan did. I think you put too much emphasis into what the JTWC says. It's not an official warning agency. It's just a bunch of meteorologists working for the US military. Krosa 07 seems pretty cool, though. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:10, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Maybe regularly in Atlantic, but it is quite a rare case in the Pacific Ocean, as the overall conditions always stop this. I just select useful information to make articles better. In fact, I refer to more information from JMA than other people in Wikipedia. -- Meow 16:26, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

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Track maps with low quality

Oh, hi. Sorry I haven't replied since yesterday because I was sick. For the track maps, I used paint, I know it is not OK. But I have a plan that I can only use it if there is below 10-12 storm tracks in the season tracks. If it is OK? Typhoon2013 (talk) 20:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I suggest that you should really follow the steps of creating track maps, or the images would be so blur and incorrect. If you are not able to do that, you will need to wait for other people to update. -- Meow 04:38, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The Neoguri picture

Oh, sorry about the edit I did about the picture of Neoguri, whether its at its peak intensity or not. I just thought that you are right, it is actually the peak intensity of Neoguri. Sorry, that was my mistake, I thought it made its peak in the other picture. Typhoon2013 (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your understanding. I will also find time to finish the rest part of Neoguri’s article, especially the meteorological history. -- Meow 11:11, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

2014 Pacific typhoon season summary

Hi, there. You are one of the members who make/edit tracks of storms, right? Can you update the 2014 Pacific typhoon season summary map, since Keith Edkins hasn't fixed it. Because Mitag's track there is old, there is another version of it now. The other one is that Hagibis' track is not really complete. I just left this message, because I am also crazy about storm tracks. Thanks Typhoon2013 (talk) 08:52, 12 July 2014 (UTC) It would take me much time because I don’t have their track files, but I may try. -- Meow 08:58, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Storm Locations

Just wanted to toss a note about all of those IP edits on the PTS page. I think what they're trying to convey is that the coordinates do not match the distances from locations since they're from different agencies, which is a valid point. Might be worth taking a minute or two to plug in the location in Google Earth and find the distance from the same spot. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:13, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

They even use wrong time— They should use analysis time instead of release time. I requested semi-protection, but the administrator refused to do. -- Meow 16:09, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Did you leave any sort of comment on that user's talk page? You were not particularly clear in your summary, in my opinion. I do think it makes more sense to use JTWC coordinates and relative location (and 1-min sustained winds), but JMA for the rest. Dustin (talk) 16:15, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I have said too many and that is not a user at all. I gave up. What I should do are stopping updating current information and focusing on writing for previous tropical cyclones. -- Meow 16:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

You can still leave a message on an IP's talk page, by the way. Whether or not you update tropical cyclone information is your choice, though. Dustin (talk) 16:55, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I just don't want to waste time on updating information which will be reverted soon. They just know JTWC. -- Meow 17:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I am not saying we shouldn't use information from the JMA for most of the infobox, I am just saying that a small portion of the table should incorporate information from the JTWC. Dustin (talk) 17:22, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that JTWC only updates once per 6 hours, but JMA updates once per 3 hours. Anyway, I don’t want to judge anymore. -- Meow 17:27, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Hmm... I know this isn't entirely relevant, but in UTC, at what times do the JMA/JTWC do their updates? Dustin (talk) 17:31, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

JMA: 00, 03, 06, 09, 12, 18, 21Z. JTWC: 00, 06, 12, 18Z. JMA sometimes updates hourly, yet JTWC sometimes updates once per 3 hours. -- Meow 17:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I am pretty new to current typhoon articles, so those times will help. Thank you!

Dustin (talk) 17:57, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Neoguri name in Japan

Hi, May I know why you removed only the name used in Japan for Neoguri from the intro? If you do not speak Japanese, please google 台風８号, which means "typhoon no. 8" in Japanese, and you will get over 1.2 million hits. Please reintroduce the name used in Japan. Have a nice day!--Mycomp (talk) 00:50, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

You should check what an international designation is first. Neoguri is 1408, so it is 台風 8 号; Haiyan is 1330, so it is 台風 30 号. Japan only uses the international designation and seldom uses the international name, and there is no Japanese name for most of tropical cyclones because all of them since 2000 are designated and named by the Japan Meteorological Agency. In fact, 台風 8 号 is not only used in Japan but also China, Hong Kong, Macau, South Korea, Taiwan, etc.. Those countries or regions just follow the international designation, including Japan itself. -- Meow 02:48, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

You seem to have misunderstood my question. I have no problem with international designations and all that. I was simply asking why you left the name used in the Philippines, but removed the name used in Japan. OK, maybe it does not have to be mentioned in the intro, but somewhere further down in the article. If you look at the ja.wiki article, you will see that it is the only the article that does not use "racoon dog" (in translation, of course) in the title, it is called 平成26年台風第8号, and there is a reason for that: people simply call it "Typhoon No. 8" (NHK [4], Asahi Shinbun [5], Yomiuri Shimbun [6] etc., etc.). Even the Japan Meteorological Agency uses on its official website only "Typhoon No. 8 of the 26th Year of the Heisei Era" [7]. So why not mention it in the English-language article somewhere? I think we should let the reader know the name by which ordinary people in Japan call this particular typhoon. There can be no harm to that, can there?--Mycomp (talk) 08:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

You seem to misunderstand my answer first. Typhoon No. 8 is not even a name at all, and it is just directly exported from the international designation. 1408, the 14 is for Heisei 26 and the 08 is for No. 8. Anyway, I suggest that you should let more people judge on this issue at the WikiProject, as there is not only Neorugi called as “Typhoon No. xx”. I just gave you my opinion and what the English Wikipedia usually uses. -- Meow 10:24, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, let's see what other people mean. I'll post this thread on the article discussion page.--Mycomp (talk) 10:52, 13 July 2014 (UTC)