User talk:WeatherWriter/Archive 1
A barnstar for you![edit]
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The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar |
| Thank you for protecting the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_university_and_college_schools_of_music from vandalism. EditingWeather (talk) 15:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC) |
- I appreciate the star. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:55, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
ITN recognition for 2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides[edit]
On 31 January 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article 2020 Brazilian floods and mudslides, which you created. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:10, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Tornado outbreak of March 2–3, 2020[edit]
On 4 March 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Tornado outbreak of March 2–3, 2020, which you created and nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Amakuru (talk) 00:13, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you[edit]
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The Current Events Barnstar | |
| Thanks for your efforts in reviving WikiProject Current events. Legend. – Hillelfrei talk 01:38, 5 May 2020 (UTC) |
Hello RedWarn tester! I hate to reitterate, but thank you so much for being willing to test RedWarn, I really appreciate it.
In the past few updates, I have added AIV (admin) reporting, a preferences panel, themes, customisation options and made many, many bug fixes and added many features based on your suggestions and feedback.
Unfortunately, recently feedback has run dry.
Even if you do not use RedWarn at the moment, or you do (tysm), I would greatly appreciate feedback of any kind. While I go round Twinkle users, sounding like that broadband salesperson in the mall that nobody ever wants to speak to, I'd like some updated feedback from recent and current users.
Any sort of feedback below would be greately appreciated!
- Your first impressions when you tried RedWarn?
- How have you used RedWarn as time has gone on?
- Would you value customisation features, such as macros or shortcuts, such as adding your own quick revert reasons so the tool can fit your exact editing practices?
- Any suggestions for how I could promote the tool to a wider audience?
- Would you appreciate a more developed and thorough user guide?
- Any theme suggestions?
- Anything you'd like changing?
- Something you've always wanted to see in an anti-vandal tool? (I might add it!)
- RedWarn app?
- A way to introduce Recent Changes patrol to new users to make using RedWarn or other tools less daunting?
- Any bugs, gripes, or things that just really annoy you about RedWarn?
Click the button below to begin a new section on the talk page
My goal is to create the most user friendly moderation tool, and that's why I need your feedback to help make this truely the most favorable anti-vandal tool. While we will never elliminate vandalism on this site, we can get closer to fighting it quickly and easily.
Many thanks for your continued support. Ed6767 (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
If you do not wish to get these feedback reminders, let me know on my talk page.
RfCs[edit]
Hey, just for the record, it's not actually a vote. We don't vote here except in a very few cases, like arbcom elections. We call an RfC discussion a !vote, which we render as 'not-vote'. It kind of looks like a vote, but numbers don't really matter much, even if it seems like consensus is strongly in one direction. What matters is the arguments being made and supported by policy. In the rare case you had 10 people saying, "Yes, I think we should keep that" and 3 saying "No, this is a BLP privacy violation per WP:BLP", an experienced, well-intentioned closer would quite likely close it as No because the Yes !votes hadn't supported their opinion with policy and the No !votes had. —valereee (talk) 16:58, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Ah. Thanks for that information. Didn't even know what Rfc's where. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:14, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
new items for contemporary history[edit]
hi! I created some new items to help with documenting contemporary history. open to any feedback. thanks!
here they are:
--Sm8900 (talk) 23:55, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
A barnstar for you![edit]
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The Original Barnstar |
| Thanks for inviting me to WikiProject Current Events! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC) |
Invite![edit]
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Please accept this invitation to join the Tropical cyclones WikiProject (WPTC), a WikiProject dedicated to improving all articles associated with tropical cyclones. WPTC hosts some of Wikipedia's highest-viewed articles, and needs your help for the upcoming cyclone season. Simply click here to accept! | 
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Consider accepting this invite, and welcome to the WikiProject Tropical cyclones! It looks like that you have some interests given with your involvement of some people within WikiProject Tropical cyclones (of course given you're an aspiring meteorologist - I'm not but I LOVE watching tropical cyclones for pretty long now) SMB99thx my edits 11:11, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Barnstar for you![edit]
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The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar |
| Thanks for your great, great work to revive WikiProject Current Events. SMB99thx my edits 11:13, 14 November 2020 (UTC) |
Welcome!![edit]
Hi, and welcome to the Tropical cyclone WikiProject! We are a group of Wikipedia editors who help to improve articles related to tropical cyclones on Wikipedia.
Looking for somewhere to start? Here are a few suggestions.
- You can check out topics on the main page.
- You can re-assess tropical cyclone-related articles to assure they are up to standards.
- See the to do list for the WikiProject, and opt to try and complete some of those tasks.
- Check out the guidelines to get an idea of the project's standards.
- If you want to work on an article, Category:Stub-Class Tropical cyclone articles is a great place to start.
- You can also check out the newsletter.
- For further information, you could join the WikiProject Tropical cyclones IRC channel or Discord server.
If you have any comments, suggestions, or would like to talk about the project in general, feel free to leave a message on the talk page.
I'm glad that you finally joined us. SMB99thx my edits 01:22, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
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44th edition of The Hurricane Herald![edit]
 The Hurricane Herald: Happy Thanksgiving Edition!
The Hurricane Herald is the semi-regular newsletter of WikiProject Tropical Cyclones. The newsletter aims to provide in summary the recent activities and developments of the WikiProject, in addition to global tropical cyclone activity. The Hurricane Herald has been running since its first edition ran on June 4, 2006. If you wish to receive or discontinue subscription to this newsletter, please visit the mailing list. This issue of The Hurricane Herald covers all project related events from October 5–November 30, 2020. This edition's editors and authors are SMB99thx, Weatherman27, Chicdat, Hurricanehink, Cyclone Toby, Typhoon2013, and ChessEric. Please visit this page and bookmark any suggestions of interest to you. This will help improve the newsletter and other cyclone-related articles. Past editions can be viewed here. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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WikiProject Tropical Cyclones: News & Developments New articles since the last newsletter include:
New GA's include:
From October 5 to November 30, two featured articles were promoted: From the Main Page documents WikiProject related materials that have appeared on the main page from October 5–November 30, 2020 in chronological order. There is currently one featured article candidate: WikiProject To-Do
Current assessment table Assessments valid as of this printing. Depending on when you may be viewing this newsletter, the table may be outdated. See here for the latest, most up to date statistics.
Project Goals & Progress The following is the current progress on the three milestone goals set by the WikiProject as of this publishing. They can be found, updated, at the main WikiProject page.
Storms of the month and other tropical activity for October and November  SotM for October: Typhoon Goni / Rolly  SotM for November: Hurricane Iota
The active Atlantic hurricane season continued. In early October, Tropical Storm Gamma dissipated over the northern Yucatan and was absorbed by powerful Hurricane Delta, which was the season's third major hurricane. Delta weakened before hitting Quintana Roo, but restrengthened in the Gulf of Mexico, later hitting Louisiana as a low-end Category 2 hurricane in nearly the same location as Hurricane Laura in August. Delta killed six people and left US$4 billion in damage. A few days later, Hurricane Epsilon developed southeast of Bermuda, becoming a major hurricane and brushing the island to the east. Hurricane Zeta followed a similar path as Delta, striking Quintana Roo and later striking southeastern Louisiana as a Category 2 hurricane; it killed 8 people and left U$3 billion in damage. At the end of the month, Hurricane Eta developed, becoming a strong Category 4 hurricane before striking Nicaragua. After killing hundreds of people in Central America, Eta reformed in the northwestern Caribbean. It made another landfall in Cuba, moved over the Florida Keys, and briefly became a hurricane again in the eastern Gulf of Mexico, before weakening and striking Cedar Key, Florida as a tropical storm. In early November, Tropical Storm Theta developed from a non-tropical low and moved across the eastern Atlantic.
Member of the month (edition) – Robloxsupersuperhappyface  Robloxsupersuperhappyface joined Wikipedia in July of this year, and has become the most prolific tropical cyclone editor relating to current events, as well as playing an enormous role in creation of newly formed tropical cyclones that eventually became destructive in many regions they are affected in (Hurricane Sally to Gulf Coast of the United States, Typhoon Goni to the Philippines, and Hurricane Iota to Central America respectively - Also, both Goni and Iota are Storms of the Month!). Because of that reason, Robloxsupersuperhappyface's articles are the one of the most viewed tropical cyclone articles in this year - as well as helped us on inviting prospective tropical cyclone editors to this project as they edited Robloxsupersuperhappyface's articles, leading into why we have more than 100 members in this WikiProject leading to this issue. As the result of brilliant Robloxsupersuperhappyface's contributions, we want to give many, many thanks to Super for helping this WikiProject grow so much recently. Happy Thanksgiving! New WikiProject Members since the last newsletter - project membership is over 100 now! More information can be found here. This list lists members who have joined/rejoined the WikiProject since the release of the last issue. Sorted chronologically in order of which they joined.
To our new members: welcome to the project, and happy editing! Feel free to check the to-do list at the bottom right of the newsletter for things that you might want to work on. To our veteran members: thank you for your edits and your tireless contributions! Let's talk about that - An opinion piece by Weatherman27 Before I start, I would like to link everyone to a new essay regarding Force Thirteen. Here it is: WP:F13. I recommend users (old and new) to read this to understand why we don't use Force Thirteen as a source, and why it isn't a reliable source. If you want to see what good reliable sources are, read this: WP:WPTC/AS Now, I will get to the main point of this opinion piece. Recently, I have gotten more involved in talk pages, and sharing my ideas and/or my opinions on different issues or ideas that have come up, primarily on 2020 Atlantic hurricane season's talk page. As I have discussed these thoughts and ideas with other editors, I have noticed and experienced some things such as being personally attacked, which has led me to want to reiterated some key points here. Despite the fact that they are mentioned commonly at the top of talk pages, I want to bring these up as it is important to have a good base where people can properly chat and discuss topics in peace. 1. Treat others with respect This one can't be stressed enough. Especially on talk pages, it is a place where you and your peers communicate issues, opinions, or ideas to each-other. This means discussing topics in a kind and adult manner. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing in what somebody may say, but that does not mean that you have the right to put them down for not having similar views. It is simply the Golden Rule. 2. Assume Good faith Along with my first point, I feel this one needs to be brought up. People have different opinions, and that is all right, but just because you may not agree with it or what they say, does not mean that it was not out of good faith. They were most likely voicing what they think on the subject, and that is alright. This also goes for edits. Unless it is pretty obvious that a user as vandalized something, it is always good to assume good faith, as other people might not know the rules as well as a more experienced editor. 3. Avoid Personal attacks This is a very important subject that needs to be remembered not just on talk pages, but on all other parts of Wikipedia as well. On talk pages, discussions can get pretty tense and heated, and I admit that I have gotten into a few of these arguments as well. Despite this, it is never okay to attack someone. As a user who has gotten personally attacked before, I can definitely say that it does not feel good, and usually the person who made the attacked will get warned or blocked, so please be kind and accept what other people have to say, because you will get nowhere by being rude. 4. Come to a consensus (preferably a clear one) On talk pages, whenever there is a discussion regarding something important like the merging of an article, people need to decide what the outcome of something important on a talk page. For example, if there is say, a merge discussion for an article on a tropical cyclone, many people will give their input. Usually, different people will have different views on whether to merge or keep the article. Sometimes, the editor will close the discussion early, but this is usually for unrelated reasons, though it sometimes may be because the editor had a change of mind. Now, if there is support for say a merge of the article, then that will be the consensus and the discussion will be closed and the article merged. This can also happen on the opposite side, if an article is to be kept, the discussion will be closed and article kept. Simply put, it is important to discuss and come to a clear decision if there is a consensus involved, to avoid difficulty with the article or page in the future. These are just a few examples of things that editors of the WPTC need to remember when using talk page discussions. There are plenty of other things not mentioned here that are just as important when it comes to using talk pages. I made this simply to help remind editors the key points when using the discussions, and I hope these were helpful to new users as well as veterans. We need to really get better at staying calm and keeping civil. I have noticed lots of hostility and arguing lately, as well as edit warring and disputes. We need to work this out. We are supposed to work together as WPTC editors, so please fix it. It is sad seeing so many editors getting reported or having to get blocked from this. Once again, keep discussions civil and have a good day. Signing off, My experiences as a WikiProject Tropical cyclones member by SMB99thx Hello again, people of the WikiProject Tropical cyclones! In here, I want to tell how my experiences with WikiProject Tropical Cyclones changed my views on WikiProjects, helped me out of trouble and to be able to regain the trust of many people in Wikipedia. When I joined WikiProject Tropical cyclones, it was the second WikiProject I have ever joined. The first WikiProject I have ever joined is WikiProject COVID-19, and the reason why I joined that project is to gain trust of people when I contributed to COVID-19 articles and as well as my fight against an IP editor which turned out to be the LTA named Bedriczwaleta (and has been active much more longer than I thought, since February of last year (!!!!)). I have the same thought process (and combined with my plans of editing old season articles, which is not done yet) when I first joined this WikiProject, but joining the WikiProject Tropical cyclones turned out to be something different. It led me to know what are the purposes of WikiProjects are and in turn led me to join many other WikiProjects since. As such, what made me change my views on WikiProjects during my time as a WikiProject Tropical Cyclones? First of all, I have seen that WikiProject Tropical cyclones members always actively work together to advance project goals, actively participating in discussions and give much-needed advice on new WikiProject Tropical cyclones members (including me). Second, WPTC really cares about our articles (and the assessments) as part of their project goals. 2018 FT project and Meteorological history of Hurricane Dorian (Four Award!) is a prime example of this. Third, we are actively welcoming the new members of this WikiProject and giving these members opportunity to succeed with us by i.e. giving out WikiLove (barnstars). Fourth, we, like WP COVID-19, actively fight against vandals and other LTAs e.g. Sidow........., UnderArmorKid, and Iphonehurricane95. These kinds of activity led me to change my belief on what WikiProjects truly are. You could see this kind of activity on other good WikiProjects like WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors, which I just joined recently on 26 October 2020 as of this newsletter and WikiProject Articles of Creation, which I have interest on joining but I might not be able to. Now, why WikiProject Tropical cyclones brought me out of trouble (and Chicdat, for that matter)? WikiProject Tropical cyclones is generally a content-creating WikiProject. We really care about improving tropical cyclone coverage on Wikipedia. Members of this WikiProject generally encouraged to communicate and discuss (in Wikipedia, in Discord, or in IRC channel), and this is what helped me and Chicdat out from trouble since our discussions from what I have seen is not always administrative. Before I joined WikiProject Tropical cyclones (and when I was still new to WikiProject Tropical cyclones), I have been putting myself on trouble numerous times. I was an ANI regular, and as an ANI regular I detailed about my struggle to deal with the LTA Bedriczwaleta and I'm was also putting up IBAN proposals of User:Jadebenn and User:Moamem as well as User:U1Quattro and User:1292simon. While I have managed to get my proposal succeeded and finally got Bedriczwaleta back on track for a while (what I thought), in August 20 (as I was about to finalize my decision to enter my college I'm currently in right now) I got myself into serious trouble against IP range 185.66.252.0/23 (which is apparently good at programming - I'm not). I tried to get them blocked for PA (calling me a thief who has a black soul), but this is where when I realized that I had to attribute things I copied within Wikipedia and I had to apologize to the user. Since then, I did my best to attribute everything I had copied articles from (Example) and I also realized that ANI is not for me (as I do not want to get into troubles by just being there), which led me to quitting ANI until November of this year when I decided to involve myself on Miggy72 dispute (now banned for sockpuppetry - Miggy72 could have been invited to WPTC if he stopped on insisting to create non-notable topics). After that incident with the IP range 185.66.252.0/23, I have stated that I do not want to get myself into trouble as a presence in ANI. As such, I decided to focus on what I want to do, which is to continue my project of splitting season articles of the yesteryear and began to increasingly involve myself within the project - to look for help and giving the best help that I can do for this WikiProject. The activity from that September led me to become Member of the Month in the previous edition of this newsletter. It was a comeback that I needed, and I want to thank WikiProject Tropical cyclones (especially Hurricanehink) for getting me on this situation. Without their help, I'm not sure if I could be here on this day. Now, for the final question – why this WikiProject helped me (and Chicdat) regain trust of many people in Wikipedia? As I stated before, this WikiProject encourages discussion within other members of this WikiProject, which in turn encourages close involvement in all sides of this WikiProject. Because of this, some people are actually helping us learning policies in Wikipedia as the time goes on, rather than falling in into blocks. As such, with time, I have seen that some admins are open for Chicdat to become a rollbacker, while I got hold on several automated gadgets that was more useful. It appears that these tools are the reason why these people are one of the more trusted people in Wikipedia, which in turn helped me a lot at gaining trust. Someday in the future, I'm looking to become an admin by myself. But that's for the another day. For now, what I'm currently doing now is to work at my craft to eventually prepare for the day when I will seek for adminship in the years ahead. In conclusion, you can see that this WikiProject helped me to regain my standing, alongside Chicdat, Nioni1234, Cristianpogi678, HurricaneTracker495 - and of course - CyclonicallyDeranged! If not for this WikiProject, I don't think they are will be here. Chicdat could have been CIR-blocked like Prahlad balaji and PythonSwarm, Nioni1234 and Cristianpogi678 ending up like Binbin0111 and Miggy72, HurricaneTracker495 would have a trouble establishing himself (or probably will never establish theirselves and stay as an IP) and CyclonicallyDeranged fully driven out from Wikipedia. By the way, to me, both Binbin0111 and Miggy72 are young, but unfortunately they took on the wrong path (Binbin0111 was one of the earliest Force Thirteen insinuators - Binbin0111 is probably the impetus of Force Thirteen policy in this project (as it was made back in 2017), while Miggy72... we know what happened). I feel bad for them, especially Binbin0111. Had Binbin0111 is willing to learn and took steps forward to become productive young editor like Yellow Evan and two other resilient young editors I have mentioned did, Binbin0111 could have been one of the most valuable editors in this project, especially in matters related to Western Pacific basin, and in extension, Vietnam. That's it. That's what I have to say. College is increasingly getting into my feelings right now, but I will do my best as I can coming into December. Sorry if I have a bad English. Thanks for reading this opinion piece! Greetings from Indonesia, |
useful script[edit]
Hey, E&S, there's a super-useful script at User:Headbomb/unreliable which will turn all the sources for an article different colors depending on their reliability per WP:RSNP. IMDb, twitter, wordpress, youtube get highlighted in a dull pink by it. It's very useful when you add something, then see it turn colors, it tells you to investigate. For instance not everything on youtube is a problem; many news organizations' official youtube accounts post clips, and those would be RS. Forbes turns yellow because some of their pieces are by "contributors" instead of staff. —valereee (talk) 18:33, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Impeachment resolutions.[edit]
I realise, you & the other fellow are passionate about the 'impeachment resolutions' topic. Would be helpful, if one of you began an RFC on the entire topic. Setting a precedent would be helpful, not only at the DeWine & Whitmer bio articles, but for other bios. GoodDay (talk) 13:14, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- GoodDay Thank you so much for the Rfc recommendation. I began one here. Elijahandskip (talk) 16:25, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory[edit]
Hello:
I've just begun the copy edit you requested at the GOCE of the article Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory.
I wonder if you could clarify what you had in mind with this phrase "Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory"? The article is divided into sections/subsections that appear logical to me.
Thanks,
Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:23, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Twofingered Typist, Thanks for the Copy Edit. IMO, I actually don't agree with that phrase, but per Rfc's and discussions on reliable sources that involved nearly a hundred editors and some of the admins, the majority of sources (That are considered reliable) call the allegations false, so the Rfc's determined that "conspiracy theory" would best suit the article. Not much else I can say other than that. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:57, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Elijahandskip: I'm an idiot! I meant "massive formatting session". Sorry! Your thoughts? Twofingered Typist (talk) 16:25, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Twofingered Typist: Ah no problem, lol. So in general, the article just seems to have a lot of paragraphs that are either really large or really small. Some of the smaller paragraphs are like 2-3 sentences. The sections/subsections are logical, but the formatting inside the subsections is weird due to the nature of the information itself. I read it a few times before submitting for a copy-edit, but I couldn't find a way to combine some of the smaller sections or split up the larger sections. Also, the "New York Post Reporting" section is 8 paragraphs before a sub section. Not sure if that should or could be broken into one or two subsections. Hopefully all that made sense and also feel free to ping me if you have any more questions. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Talk:Impeachment resolution against Gretchen Whitmer[edit]
That page should have been deleted along with the article. --Doug Weller talk 15:46, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller:, I didn't do the deletion. You would have to ask the admin who did. I don't know why it wasn't deleted. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- I was just explaining why I deleted it. --Doug Weller talk 20:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Ah ok. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:20, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory[edit]
Hello:
The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory has been completed.
Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
I have added section headings which I think break up the New York Post reporting section in a manner that makes it much easier to read. I only had to move one sentence to have it all make sense. I hope you agree with this. I mention this on the article's Talk Page in case it's an issue.
In the new Laptop and hard drive section, unless I'm blind, the citation used in the first sentence of the last paragraph did not cite the information. I found and added a NY Post article that does. Regards,
Twofingered Typist (talk) 22:07, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the copy edit Twofingered Typist. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Impeachment inquiry against Joe Biden[edit]
Thank you for checking in with me on my talk page about my flagging of Impeachment inquiry against Joe Biden for deletion. I very much understand all of your points. In that vein, I am trying to contribute as much as possible to the page, and revise it to bring it to the highest standards of quality. While we may, at least for the moment, disagree on certain aspects of its validity, we both absolutely want Wikipedia to carry the best articles. Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help with this or in the future. PickleG13 (talk) 23:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for GameStop short squeeze[edit]
On 28 January 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article GameStop short squeeze, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. starship.paint (exalt) 00:53, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Current Events Timing[edit]
Not specifically regarding the Coup in Myanmar, but under the about page on Current Events, it clearly states:
- Stories should be added under the date in which they occurred in local time. Most sources indicate the day of the week in which an event occurred.
I am unsure as to why you assume that news should be reported in UTC (because it is the default Wiki time?). (61.200.33.99 (talk) 01:25, 1 February 2021 (UTC))
- I was coming here to write the same. The guidance says stories should be added under the date on which they occurred in local time. The coup attempt began between 3 and 5 a.m. local time on February 1. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- I completely forgot. I had been editing the tornado articles lately and my brain was in that mode which is UTC time but local date. All fixed. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:39, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- I was coming here to write the same. The guidance says stories should be added under the date on which they occurred in local time. The coup attempt began between 3 and 5 a.m. local time on February 1. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
"Wikipedia minimum death of 4"[edit]
Hey! You mentioned on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muskogee home shooting that there is a "Wikipedia minimum death of 4". Would you mind directing me to where exactly Wikipedia dictates that? I don't recall seeing anything like that anywhere in Wikipedia's rules that I am aware of. Thank you! Love of Corey (talk) 01:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Love of Corey: Hello. I just spent the last 20 minutes looking through my contributions and I can't find the thing that specifically states that. If I remember correctly, in the early-mid part of 2020 I was involved in a lot of Afd discussions. I am thinking I saw someone (admin maybe? or non admin) use Wikipedia:Bare notability and use a comment like 4 deaths is normally the minimum for a semi-routine things like a shooting/weather event (not earthquake) to have some notability. It really is all "judge on an as needed" basis, but since I revived the Current Event WikiProject 10 months ago, I have been using that philosophy. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:44, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification. Love of Corey (talk) 06:06, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Concern regarding Draft:Osaka Nana Grave[edit]
Hello, Elijahandskip. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Osaka Nana Grave, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Draft space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for article space.
If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion under CSD G13. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it. You may request userfication of the content if it meets requirements.
If the deletion has already occured, instructions on how you may be able to retrieve it are available here.
Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. Bot0612 (talk) 02:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Mention of my username of your userpage[edit]
I wish to have my username be removed from your userpage as the comments made about me are unconstructive. As I explained on my talk page weeks ago, I was not referring to your vote in the Impeachment inquiry against Joe Biden AfD as a !Supervote and my comments were not constructed towards you. I knew you had closed the AfD by mistake as you quickly reverted it, I was merely wondering why the article had already been merged by BD2412. On my talk page I simply was giving friendly advice for closings of AfD discussions you are involved in so you can avoid such a mess in the future. Outside of the Impeachment inquiry AfD I have not have much of an interaction with you and I do not see how we will run into conflict with each other again. Regards, JayJayWhat did I do? 03:46, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- @JayJay:, I removed your name. I added it during the whole discussion of Afd and whatnot. Honestly, the list is more for Admins as 3 of those people have tried to get me banned from editing. We haven't had conflicts in a while, so I am perfectly fine and happy to remove you from the list. Hope we get to edit together some time in the future. Elijahandskip (talk) 04:08, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Elijahandskip. I've been concerned for a while about this list. Not just because my username is included, but also because your list accuses editors of having "show[n] a strong biased on a talk page or edit summary" and "hav[ing] a potential to have edit wars with Elijahandskip". I don't know the context in which you added the other editors, but I can assure you I have no particular ill-feelings towards you. I've voted against your articles at AfD based on my understanding of our policies, not my personal opinion of you as an editor. We haven't interacted much, but I've been critical of some of your actions in the spirit of constructive feedback when I've felt it's important.
- I'm not sure the list will help you in the way you hope it will (admins won't disregard your interactions with certain editors simply because you've stated that you think they're biased) and writing these unevidenced accusations on your userpage is not very conducive to a friendly, collaborative atmosphere. It's unpleasant for editors to see their names listed this way or associated with behaviour such as edit warring. Sometimes I too come across editors who I frequently disagree with, whose input I feel is unhelpful or whose personal views I think significantly affects their judgement. Occasionally I may express concern directly to them, but I wouldn't add their names to a list of editors I consider 'bad' on my userpage. I hope you'll consider removing that section. Jr8825 • Talk 04:52, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Elijahandskip, the following content on your user page is inappropriate:
Users who show a strong biased on a talk page or edit summary have a potential to have edit wars with Elijahandskip. Elijahandskip is known to have problems with the following users [William Allen Simpson], [Nirvanaoreilly], [Alsoriano97], [Jr8225], and [solbangla]. Please disregard any non-productive conversations between me and these users.
Especially in combination with the first sentence, the second sentence is a series of aspersions, which is a form of personal attack. Please remove this paragraph from your user page. — Newslinger talk 06:22, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Newslinger:, I see what you mean to a degree, but I do not see that at all. I will agree to remove Nirvanaoreilly, Alsoriano97 and Jr8225, but the others I will keep. They have personally attacked me with multiple attempts to get me banned from editing Wikipedia. I see nothing wrong with making a statement that says "Please disregard non-productive conversations between me and them" as it has and will continue to happen. Both have wanted me banned for the last 5 months and just about anytime I cross their path a new attempt to get me banned happens. The list, to me, helps anyone new to a conversation, if they check user pages to see who they are talking to, might know that me and these 2 users will most likely have a massive conflict. So no, I will not remove the sentences, but I will remove the names that are unnecessary. Elijahandskip (talk) 13:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Also, on your point about aspersions, here is one for you. I asked a question on a talk page. Just a question to start a discussion. 30 minutes later, I apparently crossed the path of one of those users and I had a message on my talk page about a adminboard notice, aka, an attempt to get me banned on Wikipedia. So the list, in my opinion, isn't aspersions, but instead a warning for other users if they see us fighting. Elijahandskip (talk) 13:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
Wait, I just discovered that Newslinger is an admin. Yes I will remove the sentences, but I won't be happy by it. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:01, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for removing the paragraph, Elijahandskip. The part that definitely needed to be removed was the list of usernames, and you can keep any portion of the remaining text that is not prohibited under WP:POLEMIC. However, if you ever find yourself in a user conduct dispute on a noticeboard, you will likely be treated more favorably by the community if you keep divisive material off of your user page altogether – regardless of whether it violates any policies or guidelines. What you choose to keep on your user page is your choice, of course, as long as it meets all of the policies and guidelines.
- The guideline that most directly applies to this situation is WP:POLEMIC, and if you search the administrators' noticeboard archives for "WP:POLEMIC", you can get a sense of how other editors react to this type of content. The reception is almost always negative. By removing the paragraph, you have done yourself a great favor by eliminating a source of controversy that may arise if you ever need to participate in an incidents discussion in the future. — Newslinger talk 15:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
I would like to note that in addition to naming me in his list, Elijahandskip has also attempted to smear me on his blog, and removed it only upon my request. This does not make it easy to AGF in his activity here.[1] soibangla (talk) 19:35, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Soibangla Wow. I said sorry for that now like 3 times. This is exactly why I had that on my user page. This conversation is disruptive to us editing Wikipedia. Let us move on and be friendly. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:26, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm[edit]
On 19 February 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article February 13–17, 2021 North American winter storm, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 17:41, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Removal request[edit]
Your profile page section "Outside Wikipedia Recognition" includes a link to what you acknowledge is a fake news site that makes significant misrepresentations about me. As with the link you were asked to exclude, I ask you exclude that one, too. In fact, it's just not good form to even mention this kind of external trashtalk about other editors. soibangla (talk) 01:53, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Soibangla: I actually sent a request into an admin a few hours ago to review the links and see if they truly (aka directly) break Wiki policy. Honestly, you still seem to have beef with me after I apologized (the message above slightly shows that "trashtalk about other editors" is a nice touch after you have tried multiple times to trash talk me in front of admins even after I said sorry multiple times). If the admin comes back and says it directly breaks a Wiki policy, I will remove it. But since it is you asking, I won't. Hopefully you understand. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:12, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, I don't understand, actually. It reinforces my doubts about your judgment. soibangla (talk) 02:24, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Soibangla:, I don't see how I can't have a link that shows that I was mentioned by other people outside of Wikipedia, but you are perfectly allowed to hash things that happened months ago back up and not get warned for it. To me, you sound more hypocritic that anything. I will remove the link if you can provide a direct wiki policy that it breaks. Unless it lists personal details (like the first did, which I was ok removing), my defense to keep them is that it is recognition about me that I was important enough to talk about outside of Wikipedia. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:28, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
- No, I don't understand, actually. It reinforces my doubts about your judgment. soibangla (talk) 02:24, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Luca Attanasio[edit]
On 23 February 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Luca Attanasio, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 03:48, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Nomination of Stop Biden Agenda for deletion[edit]
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stop Biden Agenda until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
Jr8825 • Talk 18:32, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Your draft article, Draft:Osaka Nana Grave[edit]
Hello, Elijahandskip. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Osaka Nana Grave".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 19:12, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Please stop creating slanted, Fox News based articles. I see above that another one, Stop Biden Agenda was deleted days ago, and now you try to create Draft:Cancellation of Dr. Seuss which is a NPOV amalgamation of Fox News anti-Biden propaganda and an opinion piece on the one hand, and articles which don't discuss the loaded "cancellation" or blame it on Biden, but discuss the decision from the publisher to no longer publish some potentially racist or problematic books. Fram (talk) 13:59, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Fram: do you hear yourself? The information is from AP News, NBC, ABC, WSJ. Those are not at all "right wing news" and they are considered RS. Please stop the vandalism or be reported. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:01, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- None of these discuss the "cancellation" of Seuss or claim that it started on March 1 with Biden. You are writing this in a WP:BLP violating manner, as a sensationalist tabloid piece targeted at a person instead of a neutral discussion of the facts, based on neutral sources. Fram (talk) 14:04, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- The WSJ one is an opinion piece, not a RS. Fram (talk) 14:04, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note how neither ABC nor NBC nor the School Library Journal even mention Biden? Or that the de-emphasizing started years ago, the decision to pull these books was taken late lst year, and the Loudoun County decision was from last year as well? But still Fox (and Wikipedia, as written by you) decides that the "cancellation" of Seuss was started yesterday by Joe Biden? Please explain how this is not a WP:NPOV and WP:BLP violation. Fram (talk) 14:09, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Admin Board Notice started. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:24, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Important message[edit]
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You have shown interest in articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
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—PaleoNeonate – 15:27, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Another thought for you[edit]
I don't know if you will receive any sanctions as a result of the thread at AN, but I just wanted to make a small observation, which you are free to ignore. You seem interested both in sharp-elbowed political editing (which is fine, when done within guidelines) and also as being part of Wikipedia's public-facing apparatus, through current events and whatnot. Those two things tend to stand in tension with one another. Where things are likely to be seen by many passersby is where we should necessarily be the most cautious and circumspect. It might be best if you focus your energies one way or the other, but again, just a thought. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 17:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction[edit]
The following sanction now applies to you:
You have been topic-banned from any pages or discussions relating to post-1992 American politics (WP:AP2) for 6 months, broadly construed
Sorry, but there's simply too many recent problematic lapses. Taking into account assurances and some related positive contributions, I went with 6 months instead of setting the duration of the sanction not to expire. Please take this time to absorb (truly) the multiple comments listed in the pertinent AN thread in question (permanent link).
This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2#Final_decision and, if applicable, the procedure described at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.
You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. El_C 17:57, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Request[edit]
@El C: would it be too much to ask if you could create a new perm link for the ban above that includes the 3000+ byte message I made? Over the next few months as people see that, I don't want people to think I was lying about it. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:33, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Done. El_C 19:07, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Elijahandskip[edit]
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- Withdrawn by filer. El_C 22:49, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Appealing user
- Elijahandskip (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Elijahandskip (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Sanction being appealed
- post-1992 American politics (WP:AP2) for 6 months
User talk:Elijahandskip#Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction (Notice) Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Problem with editor (Vandalism + Calling everything "right wing propaganda") (Discussion to cause it)
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- El C (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
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Statement by Elijahandskip[edit]
So the ban in my opinion was too quick. I had been asked by an admin Girth Summit to explain what my mistakes were. I was edit conflicted so I didn't get my 3,000+ byte message out. I might have misunderstood what Girth was telling me, but from what I got, I was creating a message to prevent the ban from happening. The arbitration sanction (ban) came 1 minute after my very long message. My appeal is just for the timing of it all as El C didn't get to read the message I had sent to Girth. Also, the perm link above does not have my long message, which can be seen in the discussion listed above. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Formally withdrawing the appeal. Can you close it @El C:? Elijahandskip (talk) 22:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Statement by El C[edit]
For my part, I am declining your appeal. There has to be some consequences for recent troubling editing in this fraught topic area. That said, as I noted in that AN discussion just now, if consensus is that the sanction should be adjusted, including lifting it outright, I will amend it accordingly. El_C 18:09, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Statement by Girth Summit[edit]
I truly think this TBan is in Elijahandskip's best interests, and those of the project. GirthSummit (blether) 18:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Statement by Cullen 328[edit]
I've now read the histories and deletion discussions of a variety of political articles created by this editor, including the shockingly incompetent Bidenism and agree that this editor should not be involved with American politics articles for at least six months and possibly much longer. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Statement by (involved editor 1)[edit]
Statement by (involved editor 2)[edit]
Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Elijahandskip[edit]
Result of the appeal by Elijahandskip[edit]
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
March 2021[edit]
I see you behaving aggressively at User talk:Beyond My Ken. That is a really bad idea. Your account name looks an awful lot like a violation of the username policy, and you should expect other editors to mention it unless you change it. I am not going to block you for it, but I will block you if you go around looking for a fight. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:42, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- I wasn't looking for a fight. I was asking a question. Also, it is 1 person and I can provide proof if I have too. It is a pen name I use. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Isos Acquisition Corp[edit]
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Isos Acquisition Corp[edit]
Hello Elijahandskip,
You asked me for some advice and on March 3, I gave you some. One thing I recommended is that you avoid creating crappy articles. You wrote Isos Acquisition Corp on March 4, which got speedy deleted. The relevant guideline is Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), and I see no significant coverage of this company in independent, reliable sources. All I see is press releases and directory listings. Why did you think that there ought to be an article about this company? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Cullen328:, Honestly, at first I thought that because it was a public traded company that it had automatic notability. JayJay (Sorry for the ping Jay) actually explained the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) to me and I now fully understand it. One of my first thoughts to help me start getting away from the US politics stuff was to create articles for business's, which I still can, and I now understand more of the notability requirements for businesses. But year, thanks for the original recommendations on the 3rd. I am trying to get away from "crappy articles", but it was a habit for me because of my work with current events. Not talking about politic articles that are "current events", but I mean like disaster stubs. I use to update and create a lot of those and then other editors helped me edit it since it was a brand new disaster that was or just happened. I still got some progress to make, so any recommendations you ever have for me, please drop them on my talk page. I really want to learn and grow on Wikipedia so I can possible gain a good reputation instead of the weird good/bad one I have now. Elijahandskip (talk) 23:31, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello![edit]
I saw your contribution at Talk:Voyager Station and yes it seems pretty strange and I think to draftify would be good. In this strange times it could be just type of scam or attention seeking. 109.93.20.87 (talk) 05:22, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Topic ban violation[edit]
Hi. You have a topic ban on "editing articles related to Post-1992 US politics". This means that your ProD of Nicholas A. Jones("...ran for election to the US House for the First Congressional District of Idaho. He lost in the primary on June 2, 2020.") was a violation of your topic ban.
Please be more careful and avoid editing such articles completely. Fram (talk) 08:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- God Damnit. There goes all my progress. Going to revert my edit on his article now. Thanks for the alert Fram and I hope you don't use that as an excuse to get me a longer T-Ban. I didn't even see that he was a politician. I was patrolling new articles that day. Elijahandskip (talk) 10:41, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Please stop giving poor advice to other editors[edit]
I noticed your attempts to advise User:TableSalt342, which completely missed the actual problems with their articles, and focused on stuff which wasn't a problem or only a minor issue instead. I see that you also presented yourself to User:Withmedarlene as "n editor with years of experience" [2] claiming that all that is needed is to tone down the promotionalism of the article, and to insert the refs from the bottom as inline refs. What you at least should have noticed is that the first ref is a wiki, the second ref is a link to Wikipedia, the third ref is a link to wikia, the fourth ref is a primary source, the fifth ref is again that first wiki, the 7th ref is a primary source, the 8th one is a press release, the 9th one doesn't work, and the 11th one is a passing mention. Which leaves us with at most 2 sources to actually work with, which may well be not enough to get this accepted; and with a lot of wiki or dubious sources which aren't acceptable in any case. Just saying that "once the formatting errors are completed, then I believe a reviewer will accept the draft. " is only giving the editor false hope and poor advice. Fram (talk) 08:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Ok I see the problems I missed on the advice to Withmedarlene. If you call all the advice "false hope" though, why did you not just delete the draft or start an Afd on the spot? I didn't agree with anything TableSalt342 was saying about you having a biased or anything, however, with the amount of "fuss" you are putting on me for missing a few things of advice, it would have been easier for you to just remove some of the bad links. Don't ya think so? Maybe let that sink in some. I at least tried to help (and I feel like I helped some). You seem to just be putting him and me down for no reason. I know you probably don't intend to come across like that, but you are. Elijahandskip (talk) 10:46, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Me correcting the draft doesn't solve the problem of you, with your "years of experience" (1 1/2 year and lots of problems), offering bad advice to people. I am not putting Withmedarlene down, I am trying to stop you from doing things you aren't any good in. Oh, and I can't delete articles, and AfD is not allowed for drafts. So, er, thanks for the advice I guess? Fram (talk) 11:00, 24 March 2021 (UTC)