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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 24 June 2023 [1].

My Man (Tamar Braxton song)[edit]

Nominator(s): Aoba47 (talk) 18:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a 2017 R&B and soul song, in which Tamar Braxton calls her man's mistress a "heifer". The lyrics focus on infidelity and are partially inspired by Braxton's parents and their divorce after her father's affair. Along with Laurieann Gibson-directed music video, the song was promoted with a very dramatic performance at the BET Awards 2017, which led to lip syncing accusations.

I have received a very helpful GAN review in 2017 from Cartoon network freak (who has since retired) and some very helpful comments in the peer review from @Dank:, @Pseud 14:, and @MaranoFan:. @Ippantekina: expressed interest in participating in the FAC on their talk page. Thank you in advance for any comments! Aoba47 (talk) 18:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NØ[edit]

  • Image review
  • No licensing issues and there are succint captions and alt texts.
  • A clean version of the single cover without the PA sticker is available from Apple Music, which it could be replaced with. I would also suggest replacing ThatGrapeJuice as the source link since it is not the best source.
  • Support on prose on the strength of my extensive comments at the peer review.--NØ 18:05, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @MaranoFan: Thank you for the very quick reviews. I greatly appreciate your comments (and links) about the infobox image. To be honest, I did not even think about the PA sticker, and it is seemingly showing up still on my end even though I uploaded a new image. It might just take a moment for it to change over to the new version. I hope you are having a great week so far! Aoba47 (talk) 18:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Unlimitedlead[edit]

  • "...produced by Bob Robinson It was released..." Punctuation error here.
  • Very good catch. I have added the period (or full stop) there. Aoba47 (talk) 02:02, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unlinked. One of these two instances was a later addition, and I must have forgotten to unlink one of them at that point. Aoba47 (talk) 02:02, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The 3:47 (Radio Edit) version of the song is not mentioned in the article.
  • I have added it to the prose. It was originally sourced through a track listing section, which was removed as only two versions of the song were released (i.e. the album version and the radio edit) so a separate section seemed unnecessary. Thank you for catching this as I forgot to source this after that part was removed. Aoba47 (talk) 02:02, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Overall not a lot to say. Although quite short, this is an article well-done. Unlimitedlead (talk) 01:20, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Unlimitedlead: Thank you for the kind words and helpful comments. I appreciate that you took the time to do this. If there is anything else I can do to improve the article, feel free to let me know. I hope you have a great rest of your day or night. Aoba47 (talk) 02:02, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are just one of the sweetest people I have ever met here! I will be happy to support this wonderfully-researched and written article. Your work is quite impressive, and I hope to see more soon! Cheers, Unlimitedlead (talk) 02:05, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the very kind words and for the support. I try my best, but I have certainly had moments that I very much regret and I try to learn and grow from those experiences. Looking forward to working with you more in the future as well! Aoba47 (talk) 02:42, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - looks like the editors above already picked up any potential issues, I couldn't find anything at all. Great work! BTW I have an open FAC which is struggling a bit for traction if you fancied taking a look. If you don't fancy it, or don't have time, no problem :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:22, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the support and kind words! I would be more than happy to review your FAC and will post comments sometime today about it. Aoba47 (talk) 11:17, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pseud 14[edit]

  • Thank you for the support! I hope you have a wonderful rest of your week. Aoba47 (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review[edit]

  • article titles should have a consistent capitalization style, currently varies from sentence to title case
  • Apologies for the brain fart on my part, but could you explain this to me further? I primarily just copied-and-pasted how the original citations formatted their titles, except for removing all caps and putting in italics and single quotations for albums and songs, respectively. Aoba47 (talk) 00:04, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I believe it is a reference to WP:FACR 2c "consistently formatted". WP:CS1 "Use title case unless the cited source covers a scientific, legal or other technical topic and sentence case is the predominant style in journals on that topic. Use either title case or sentence case consistently throughout the article." MOS:CT "WP:Citing sources § Citation style permits the use of pre-defined, off-Wikipedia citation styles within Wikipedia, and some of these expect sentence case for certain titles (usually article and chapter titles). Title case should not be imposed on such titles under such a citation style when that style is the one consistently used in an article." Is a particular citation style requiring certain titles to be in sentence case being used here?
  • Thank you for the explanation. That is interesting. I was not aware of this, but it is always good to learn new things. I believe that I have addressed this all with the citation titles. Aoba47 (talk) 02:05, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Billboard R&B Songs Chart August 26, 2017" → Billboard (also check charts section)
  • Very nice catch! I am not sure how I missed those instances, but I believe they now should all be appropriately done. Aoba47 (talk) 00:04, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would change "Worldwide" release to "Various", "worldwide" implies that something occurred in like North Korea, but "various" allows for exceptions. Another ref should be added to support other than US Apple Music. Also supports streaming release, not just digital download
  • Changed to "worldwide" per your suggestion. I changed things to use the US Apple Music citations to support the streaming and digital download portions. I have added a citation from The Source to confirm the single's original release date. Thank you for catching these parts as they are very silly mistakes on my part. Aoba47 (talk) 00:04, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, I meant that only citing US Apple Music simply supports a "US" release not "Various". There needs to be another country's Apple Music cited. Additionally, I would add "streaming" to the table as it is already in the prose.
  • No need to apologize. Thank you for clarifying this point. I have added an Apple Music citation from the Japanese store. Aoba47 (talk) 02:25, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Best, Heartfox (talk) 23:25, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Heartfox: Thank you for your review! You have helped improve the article immensely by pinpointing a lot of the things that I just read over so I appreciate that. I addressed everything, but the point on the article titles as I would like further clarification on that matter. I hope you are having a great end to your week! Aoba47 (talk) 00:04, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This passes the source review :) Heartfox (talk) 04:41, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help and for the source review. Have a wonderful weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 16:58, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Ippantekina[edit]

  • A short introduction of the Braxton Family Values show would be helpful i.e. it's about the Braxton sisters etc.
  • That is a great point. I have added something to the sentence as you have suggested. Not to be overly-dramatic, but felt a little sad typing up Traci Braxton because of her death last year. It was also a shame that Braxton Family Values kind of faded away near the end and got caught in a lot of negativity. Aoba47 (talk) 19:45, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the Los Angeles Times' Libby Hill viewed this moment as a highlight, writing:"
  • Fair enough. I do need to be better at being concise. Revised. Aoba47 (talk) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Rap-Up's Andre" the writer is credited as Andres though
  • Thank you for pointing this out to me, because while this is a very silly mistake, it made me notice that I did all of the Rap-Up citations incorrectly as I did not put the authors in the sources and did not format the footnotes correctly because of that. I have since fixed all of that, but holy cow, I think that might be up there as one of my worst mistakes/oversights in a while so apologies for that. Aoba47 (talk) 19:55, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pretty sure we can just use last names i.e. Smith, Kantor, Leight in the "Critical reception" section
  • I prefer to use the full name again for the first time in a new section as I just personally find it rather jarring to just use the last name. Aoba47 (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I personally deem "while" not the best wording... unless it means "occurring at the same time as another thing happens" I would use an alternative or not use it at all. Examples below
    • "and while writing for Rolling Stone, he said it" → and in Rolling Stone, he said it...
    • "While [D]iscussing the first verse, "Stood right by your side through everything that you went through…Why is she around", SoulTracks' Justin Kantor compared..."
    • "However, Elias Leight said while although songs"
    • "Braxton performed "My Man" on the BET Awards 2017 while accompanied by back-up dancers"
      • That is a fair and valid point. I could see and agree with the rationale that outside of the context you brought up above, that "while" is not a great word choice for potential FAs or strong writing in general so I have made the adjustments per your suggestions above. Aoba47 (talk) 19:59, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some comma issues
    • "She identified "My Man" as her most personal song,[6] and said the single" no need for comma
    • "Dan Rys praised Braxton's vocals, and highlighted her mic drop..." ditto
    • "Michael Arceneaux also thought this, and jokingly asked..." ditto
    • "Braxton said she is close friends with Davis, and added that Lil Mama" ditto for the comma
      • Thank you for the suggestions and for catching these instances. I fully admit that I am not the greatest with commas, and I will be much more mindful of them in the future. I believe that I have revised all the instances you have pointed out above. Aoba47 (talk) 20:00, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have. Short, sweet, and well-written article. Great work as always! :) Ippantekina (talk) 15:09, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Ippantekina: Thank you for the review! I appreciate that you took the time to do this, and as I have said already above, you have helped me catch a very dumb mistake on my part. I believe that I have addressed everything, but please let me know if there is anything further that could be done. Thank you for the kind words, and I hope you have a great weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 20:02, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for addressing my comments. No need to be hard on yourself for a minor mistake - we all get caught up in that sometimes. I read the article again and I am happy to support this FAC for promotion. Great work as always :) Ippantekina (talk) 02:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for the support and for the kind words! Aoba47 (talk) 02:53, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Status update[edit]

@FAC coordinators: Apologies for the ping. I just wanted to check in on the status of this nomination. There has been a solid amount of feedback and support, and it's been a while since this has received any further reviews, which would seem more and more unlikely as it goes further down the FAC list. Aoba47 (talk) 01:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support from PanagiotisZois[edit]

Honestly, I don't have much to say. Very good job. The only (very minor) thing is that I believe the word "heifer" should be wikilinked; probably to the wiktionary entry. It's a word that many people have never heard of, and one even fewer people realize can refer to a woman. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your support. I have linked "heifer" as you have recommended. I agree with your rationale for that. I rarely hear people use this word when talking about a woman (probably because it is a rather rude thing to do) so I agree that a link is necessary and helpful. Aoba47 (talk) 22:18, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Funnily enough, I always pronounce the word in my head the German way, so it's weird to hear its proper English form. Anyway, now that that's done, I really can't find anything else in the article that would need improvement. So, I support this candidacy and apologize for not having looked at it sooner. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 14:30, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No need to apologize. Thank you for your help. I am sure that I also have words that I hear in a different pronunciation than its original one. I always find that kind of stuff interesting. Aoba47 (talk) 15:19, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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