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November 24

People flagging new page

I have tried to create a page twice for Joseph E Prince. It has been flagged twice! The last time the comment was that we were creating a "non existant" film. Liberation Saturday was premiered at the 2008 nSan Diego Black Film Festival. Photos at liberationsaturday.com and cam be verified at imdb.com, the most widely used data base of fims on the internet.

This is ridiculous!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deedee485 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Liberation Saturday may not meet our guidelines on notability (importance or significance) for inclusion, and therefore actor Joseph E. Prince is not notable per guidelines on actors. You may ask the deleting administrator (User:PMDrive1061, according to the page logs) to userfy the page into one of your user subpages so that you might work on it undisturbed, until you can make it to an acceptable quality for inclusion. Please also read Notability, YFA, and WP:NOT. Intelligentsium 03:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: IMDb is not considered a reliable source. All articles must be verifiable with properly cited sources, to prove any claims of notability. This is especially important if the subject of your article is a living person. Intelligentsium 03:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Wiki main page bias towards an individuals home country?

Hello All, I have the Wikipedia main page as my home page as I like to start my day with 'Today's feature article', 'Did you know...', and 'On this day...' but what I have been noticing is a large quantity of content and articles with Australian subject matter. I do live in Australia, but I'm more interested in a world focus, not just Australian history and news. I was wondering if the Wiki software recognises that I am living in Australia and gives me more Australian content for this reason, and is there a way that I can switch that bais off? Thanks in advance. MST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.24.203.240 (talk) 03:49, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

What exactly are you seeing that is Australian? Grsz¹¹ 04:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Nothing out of the ordinary. But there are 20 million Aussies, and a world population of 6 bn+. So seeing Aussie content regularly made me wonder if there was a bias towards giving people more content from their country of origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MST762 (talk • contribs) 06:06, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I can't speak for any bias (real or perceived), but everyone who looks at the main page sees the same main page. There is no change in appearance based on the viewer's location. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

The closest thing on Wikipedia to a Main Page for Australia is Portal:Australia. Just now the (real) Main Page doesn't appear to have much if any content about Australia. If it had a lot of Australia content recently, that was probably just a fluke. For more information about the process Wikipedia uses to create the Main Page, see WP:EIW#Main. There are some Main Page alternatives but none listed there are specific to Australia. --Teratornis (talk) 19:05, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for responses, just a fluke period I guess. MST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.24.203.240 (talk) 05:27, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Uploading an image

A link to an article is no longer in existence. It is an electronic version of a newspaper. Luckily i have the image on my PC. How do i include this in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lag3rman (talk • contribs) 05:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

It probably can't be included, as unless the newspaper edition is very very old it is most likely copyrighted. Uploaded it to Wikipedia (or to another website, and having Wikipedia link to it) would constitute a copyright violation. It's not necessary that sources used on Wikipedia be available online, however, so a citation to an out of print and offline newspaper article is fine. But it's good that you have an electronic copy; if anyone questions the source, you can email it to them. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I've already done quite a few edits, and have an account 4 days old. I'm still NOT an autoconfirmed user. I need to upload special pictures for the articles I'm editing since they're under the risk of being deleted. but I can't, since im' not an autoconfirmed user... How can I be one?492star (talk) 16:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

You won't be autoconfirmed until 19:11 (UTC)! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:35, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Using the Wayback Machine and Wikipedia:Citing sources#Dead links. See also WP:AUTOCONFIRM for details about your user status. --Teratornis (talk) 19:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Editing

A few months ago, I returned from a long block, and I haven't really made that many edits since then. What's a good way to find edits to make? And what's a good way to make a lot of edits? jc iindyysgvxc (my contributions) 09:42, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

• Well, Wikipedia isn't about making a lot of edits! It's about developing an encyclopedia. If you want suggestions about what you could usefully do, here is a list of tasks which need doing - articles which need to be wikified, updated, rewritten using the Manual of Style, cleaned-up, have information verified, be written in neutral language, be expanded or created. There's always a lot that needs doing! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

More things to consider:

• Read Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia.
• Check the backlog.
• Join a WikiProject and see its to-do list.
• Search for freely-licensed images with {{Flickr free}} that have encyclopedic value and upload them to Commons. See Commons:COM:EIC#Flickr.
• If you have a camera, take some photos of notable objects in your area and upload them to Wikipedia.
• Answer questions on the Help desk, the Reference desk, the New contributors' help page, and so on. Answering questions will teach you about Wikipedia and give you ideas about other things that need work. See Wikipedia:Help desk/How to answer.

--Teratornis (talk) 21:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

No more pictures

My Wikipedia no longer displays pictures, I may pressed the wrong button while setting a picture as a background. How do I unblock pictures. Cpilot (talk) 12:17, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

There are a few possibilities why no images are displaying on Wikipedia for you. One is that you are accidentally blocking all images or images from Wikipedia in your browser settings, or from an add-on like Adblock. Another possibility is that your ISP is filtering images, either because you are viewing Wikipedia from a work computer, or you are in a country whose ISPs filter content.

It would be helpful to have some more information on the problem. What web browser are you using and what version? Are you using any adblocking extensions like Adblock? Can you try other websites to see if you can load images there? Can you try a different web browser to see if images on Wikipedia using it? Thanks! --Mysdaao ^talk 13:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

My guess is you have Firefox and may need (possibly some details depend on the version): Tools - Options - Content - Load images automatically - Click the "exceptions" button and delete http://upload.wikimedia.org from the list - Highlight - "Remove site" button. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Question about Actor/Actress articles.

I am trying to create an article on Brooke Anne Smith, but I do not know what exactly I'm supposed to put in besides Filmography in regards to making the Article and keeping it from being deleted? Namely, what are the contexts that would make the subject identifiable, and what is "enough"? I'm asking because a previous article for her was deleted due to it not having enough context to identify the subject. As for why I am thinking of creating one, I just felt that it didn't seem right that she wouldn't get an article when other actors/actresses have. I mean, I can understand if absolutely nothing about her is known (like Suzetta Minet, for example), but there is a few stuff that is known about her. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Your first article gives you a pretty good overview on what to take care for and you can use the article wizard as well which takes you through creation step by step. Regards SoWhy 12:36, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Further to SoWhy's response, I should point out that the key thing to consider in deciding whether Smith should have an article is: how notable is she? Google News Search reveals 14 hits, but only half of those mention this one, and even though are one-sentence mentions. IMDB has an entry for her here which mentions 7 things she's been in, mostly one-episode appearances. Unless you can find information about her in reliable, independent sources, she may not yet be notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 12:43, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

If you ask me, the deletion you refer to (no context) was incorrect, as there was sufficient context to identify the subject. However, as PhantomSteve points out, Smith may not be notable enough for an article. She seems to be mostly known for her role in Max Keeble's Big Move. If this was a major role, and she also had other significant roles, then an article may be warranted. Regards, decltype (talk) 14:06, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't quite know if any of these other roles are "notable or not", as the only roles I've ever seen her in is in Max Keeble's Big Move as Jenna, as well as Marsha Chalker in the Seventh Heaven episode Busted (Her role in Max Keeble's Big Move at least was that of an antagonist who served as a source of conflict between Max and his friends, as well as a love triangle. As for Marsha Chalker, unless I am mistaken, I think she was the spelling bee ace who Simon Camden dated and served as a bit of a subplot of that episode [whole "chick pick-up" issue].). However, I do know that she played a role in Cold Case as Claire Tate, as well as Stacy Green in Judging Amy, Jessica in My Wife and Kids, Tracey in Malcolm in the Middle, and Taylor in the failed Pilot House Blend. From what I could gather, she seemed to have major roles in Cold Case, Judging Amy, My Wife and Kids, and Max Keeble's Big Move (the last one I have actually seen). Other than that, I think she also auditioned for the role of Danielle in Taking Five, although she was ultimately beaten out by Christy Carlson Romano. I think her Brother mentioned somewhere that she did audition for a horror film in 2005 (going by what Leevee said on the message board, although he also admitted that he doesn't quite remember the name or plot, so that might not be enough.). That's all I can offer in terms of what I can research in terms of Acting roles, and I hope it's enough. It's one less than Richard White's acting roles, I can tell you that much. Speaking of roles, that reminds me, why isn't there a filmography/discography of him on Richard White's article? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:55, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Should I add article about PADsynth or not?

Hi to all. I would like to add a short article about PADsynth [1], an synthesis algorithm invented by me. I am aware about "No original research" policy and this is the reason why I ask you here.

Despite of this policy, I believe that are some reasons for the PADsynth Wikipedia article.

Here are the reasons:

• The algorithm was implemented in many software synthesizers, like "WhySynth", "PADpal", etc. If you want links to these software as evidence for this, I can provide it.
• I found many positive comments on forums and blogs about this algorithm.
• I believe that this algorithm is very simple to understand and very useful to be learnt.
• I don't have the intention put on wikipedia the full description with examples, because I already did this on Wikibooks[2].

Please tell me if a short article about PADsynth is suitable for Wikipedia. Thank you.

Paulnasca (talk) 13:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

If you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you plan to write about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred from the tone of the edit and the proximity of the editor to the subject, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:

1. editing or creating articles related to you, your organization, or its competitors, as well as projects and products they are involved with;
2. participating in deletion discussions about articles related to your organization or its competitors; and
3. linking to the Wikipedia article or website of your organization in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view and verifiability of information.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. For more details about what, exactly, constitutes a conflict of interest, please see our conflict of interest guidelines.

Finally, please remember that the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed. Please study our verifiability policy on this.

Kind regards, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 13:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Has the algorithm received coverage in reliable, independent sources, such as an article in a reputable journal or a website? (blogs and forum posts are not normally considered reliable). If so, it is quite possibly suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. decltype (talk) 14:00, 24 November 2009 (UTC) On a tangential note, may I suggest making REALTYPE a template argument instead of a macro in the C++ implementation?

Answer regarding the verifiability:

Hi.

Yes. I found at least two independent sources about PADsynth. There are two companies which implements audio software. Please note that I am not affiliated to them. They independently read the PADsynth documentation and implemented into their softsynths (or plugins).

The first one which I found is Image Line (known for fl studio [3]). I found two plugins on their webpage which implements PADsynth. One is Ogun Pad Harmonics[4] (see on the end of the page) and the other is Autogun [5] (see on the end of the page, too).

The other verifiable source is KarmaFX. On KarmaFX version 0.99 they included a PADsynth module. See on the News page [6] and click on the "KarmaFX Synth Modular 0.99 BETA changes." to see the reference.

Paulnasca (talk) 16:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

That is not what is meant with verifiable sources. We are talking about New York Times newspaper articles, references in scientific papers or mentions in independent industry magazines for instance. Please see the links mentioned by user spitfire two paragraphs up. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 19:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

There is also a Csound extension implementing PADsynth. I don't know any scientific paper or magazine or any other books that mention such thing, although it seems like some should. --Zzo38 (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

customized searches?

Does the searchbox support regexp of some sort? If so, what format does it use, and what features does it support?

If not, does it support [*?] with "?" being a wildcard but required character (that * will return null strings according to current Wikipedia instructions, so... not quite what you want if you know some thing requires something there but not what it would be)

76.66.197.2 (talk) 13:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

The search box does not support regular expressions, but it support some other features like wildcard queries with * and fuzzy queries with ~, which are listed at Wikipedia:Searching#Additional features. --Mysdaao ^talk 14:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

How do you create a new heading?

How do you create a new heading in an article for example and article on a musician usually has different headings for each album, how do you insert a new heading? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian610 (talk • contribs) 14:57, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

By placing the titles between equal signs. For example, click on the "edit" link for this section and you'll see your header (How do you create a new heading?) between two sets of two equal signs. Adding more equal signs to each side creates smaller headers. TNXMan 15:04, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Help:Wikitext_examples#Organizing_your_writing shows you what headings levels 2-4 look like. (Incidently, level 1 headings - using only one = on either side - are only used by the page title automatically - you would never use them yourself) -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:28, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Wrong name

Dairyland cycle insurance needs to be changed to Dairyland Insurance Company in the title and the URL.

There is a link on Sentry Insurance's page that I can change once this gets corrected.

Can someone help me with this??

Thanks so much! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blancour (talk • contribs) 16:18, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

• The article Dairyland cycle insurance was deleted about 4 minutes after you posted your message here. Dairyland Insurance redirects to Sentry Insurance. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Table of Contents isn't working right

I'm working on the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture article and ran into a problem. The Table of Contents is acting weird. Up to section 5.2 Livestock, it works fine, but then starting with section 5.3 Hunting all through the rest of the article's sections, the hyperlink doesn't work. It appears to be fine in the TOC display box - as if there was nothing wrong with the sections - but when you click on the section in the TOC box to go down to that part of the article, it doesn't work. Does anyone know what is going on here? Thanks for the help. Saukkomies 18:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

• It is working fine for me. Have you made sure that the entire article has loaded before doing it - if it's not all been loaded, it can't jump to a section that isn't there yet! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 18:52, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Seems to work for me, clicking on various links in the TOC. Also, on an unrelated note, your signature doesn't appear to have a link to your user/talk page. That may be something you want to look at, as it makes it easier for people to respond to your posts. TNXMan 18:53, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies, Phantomsteve and Tnxman307. It's very strange, because I just checked it again, and it isn't working for me. But as long as it works for others, that's okay. At any rate, thanks also for pointing out my signature problem. I believe it's fixed now. --Saukkomies ^talk 23:47, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Which browser and version do you have? It works for me in all four tested browsers. I notice that Cucuteni-Trypillian culture#Livestock displays two [edit] links when I view it, and you say the problem starts after that section. See WP:BUNCH. Maybe it causes other problems for your browser. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:06, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I am using Windows Internet Explorer Version 7.0.5730.11. When you say that there are two edit links in that section, I can't see that - I only just see the one at that right of the screen on the same line as the section header. Where is the second edit link appearing? That might be the key to this problem, but I can't see it. Wow - Wiki html sure can be a bear sometimes... --Saukkomies ^talk 00:54, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

One of my browsers is Internet Explorer 8. When it runs in Internet Explorer 7 compatibility mode, I see a normal edit link (and the table of contents still works normally). The double [edit] [edit] in many browsers is caused by the two consecutive images in Cucuteni-Trypillian culture#Diet running down past the following section headings. If this is also causing your problems then maybe it can be fixed with a method at WP:BUNCH. The images were placed there in [7]. Do you see a difference in how the table of contents works in the before and after version: [8][9]. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

(resetting margin)

PrimeHunter - thanks for that very useful information about the anti-bunching fix! I applied it to the images you mentioned, but since I wasn't myself seeing the problem with the bunched up [edit] commands, I can't tell whether it made any difference or not. Hopefully, though, for those who were seeing that, it is now fixed. However, I still can't get the Table of Contents to work for me. sigh... --Saukkomies ^talk 02:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I no longer see the double [edit] [edit] and the table of contents still works normally for me. Did it work for you in the linked before version [10]? If you click on "5.3 Hunting" in the table of contents of that version then does your browser address bar say http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture&oldid=327705137#Hunting without moving you to the Hunting section? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:45, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Title maximal length

How long can be a title of an article on Wikipedia? --Gikü (talk) 19:59, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Title length says: "Titles must be less than 256 bytes long when encoded in UTF-8; a title this long would probably violate other style guidelines, though." PrimeHunter (talk) 20:13, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

RfA

What's a "Dereks1x/Archtransit situation"? ~~ Dr Dec (Talk) ~~ 20:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Archtransit was a sockpuppet who became an administrator. He went on to abuse the position, then the whole farm was uncovered. Le drame ensued. Franamax (talk) 20:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

And how. (see Dereks1x) TNXMan 20:52, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

False Information About our Publication on your Website

We would appreciate prompt attention to this matter. There are two false statements on your site:

1. Our Publication, Northern Indiana Lakes Magazine, is published by Starboard Publishing, LLC. 2. Our Publication is not Bankrupt.

I can provide you information if you need us to. My contact information is Jennifer Wilson, Controller. My phone number is <blanked>. My email address is <blanked>

Thank you for your prompt attention.

Jennifer Wilson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.134.57 (talk) 20:58, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

To what articles are you referring? I didn't see an article on either Northern Indiana Lakes Magazine or Starboard Publishing. If you do note an obvious factual error, you can just correct it, although due to our conflict of interest policies we would prefer people not make extensive edits to their own pages. --Bfigura ^(talk) 21:05, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

It's here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_in_Fort_Wayne,_Indiana Teapotgeorge^Talk 21:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Well it was! It has been removed as an un-sourced non notable. Teapotgeorge^Talk 21:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Style Question - is/was?

Could not find this in the style guide after a somewhat quick look.....

Example... (referring to a person's parent) "his father is John Smith". If John Smith is deceased, does it become "his father was John Smith"? Isn't John Smith always his father, dead or alive? Yunchie (talk) 21:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Conventionally, if you're going to word it that way, you would say "is" if alive and "was" if dead. Just like "he is the son of..." vs. "he was the son of..." The is/was refers to their alive/dead status rather than their parental status. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:32, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Is there a style reference that someone can point me to, regarding this? It would seem to me that if the article was stating the relationship of father and son, then it would refer to the parental status regardless of the alive/dead status. From a practical point of view for an encyclopedic article, the facts could initially be 'alive', but then change to 'dead' at some future time, which would require an additional editing of all of those 'is' entries. Yunchie (talk) 02:04, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

We actually have a Manual of Style, which deals with everything (style) in Wikipedia from correct use of emdashes (—) to correct titling of articles. You might find what you are looking for there. Intelligentsium 02:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Have you seen Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Tense? PrimeHunter (talk) 02:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. That is exactly what I was looking for (and probably looked right past it). Yunchie (talk) 12:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Deletion question from a very occasional Wikipedian

Resolved

 – Mysdaao ^talk 23:49, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I've always found the whole deletion thing to be rather, well, nontransparent - from the point of view of a user. When, on occasions I look for an article only to discover there used to be one, but it's been deleted, there is no obvious way to find out why, in any detail, it's been deleted.

Presumably there would have been a deletion discussion somewhere, but it's not linked from the deletion message, at least in the small number of pages I've encountered. How does one locate the deletion discussion? Why is there no way to view the previous contents of a deleted page, like there is with normal modifications?

The particular article I encountered recently was Soman_(band). I have no vested interest in this article - I was attempting to consult it for reference, not to edit it. But the deletion reason - WP:MUSIC - is not, prima facie, satisfied according to my reading. More out of curiosity than because I care deeply: how do I find out if this was discussed, and where do I read the discussion?

(FWIW, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the article was little more than a stub, but stubs aren't a bad thing (are they)? Google tells me that they've had two albums on Metropolis, which is certainly an important independent label.)

(Subsidiary question: is this the right place to ask this?)

TIA

Roy Badami (talk) 22:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this is an ok place to ask. Basically, with CSD and PROD deletions, there is no discussion. Someone tags the article as a candidate for deletion, and if no one disagrees within a short time (for CSD) or one week (for PROD), the article is deleted at administrator discretion. If the article goes through Articles for Deletion, there is a discussion about deletion, although I'm not sure whether these are linked or not in the delete summary. Also, administrators can view deleted pages, but others cannot, so there is a way to view deleted content unless it has been oversighted. Hope this helps, Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 23:10, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Yes, this is the right place to ask your question. A page can be deleted through three different ways. One is speedy deletion, which are for obviously inappropriate pages like nonsense, attack pages, and copyright violations. The second is proposed deletion, which is for nominating uncontroversial deletions, and the page is automatically deleted after 7 days, unless anybody objects. The third is a deletion discussion, like Articles for deletion, where there is a discussion that is kept and can be viewed by anyone.

Only the first two have to have a discussion for a deletion to take place. The page you're looking at, Soman (band), was a proposed deletion, and you can tell this because it says PROD in the deletion log, so there isn't a discussion to be viewed for that deleted page. You can read more at Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? --Mysdaao ^talk 23:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

So, there's no way to view the deleted page, to see if it contained useful information? I mean, it would be silly to start a delation review for a stub, but how do I tell? I probably last looked at that page two years ago -- not all of us look at every page on Wikipedia every seven days :-)

Maybe the right thing to do in this case is to contact the editor responsible and ask them.

Roy Badami (talk) 23:24, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and you can ask for a userspace copy if you want to expand the article. See WP:Userification#Userfication of deleted content Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 23:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

In such a case you should contact either the admin who actually deleted or one of the admins in Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles. Hans Adler 23:31, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks all - I've contacted the admin via his Talk page. Roy Badami (talk) 23:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

As to why regular users cannot see deleted pages, see Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Deleted pages should be visible. If a page was deleted via Wikipedia:Articles for deletion then the deletion log should normally contain a link to the discussion or at least a text containing "AfD". If this had been the case then the discussion would have been at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soman (band). PrimeHunter (talk) 23:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Deletionpedia. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 01:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

• The "What links here" link at the left of the screen can be a useful way to locate discussions about a deleted article. 86.133.247.170 (talk) 03:12, 25 November 2009 (UTC).

Within sections, should events be placed in chronological order?

Thanks MarinaKSF (talk) 23:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)MarinaK

In most cases it would be natural to use chronological order but it is not required and would depend on editorial judgment in a given context. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:54, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Amongst contributors though, whose editorial judgement would prevail?MarinaKSF (talk) 02:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)MarinaK

No one person's editorial judgment is considered "more" correct than others; everyone's judgment is valued equally. However, we operate on consensus; therefore, what the community has decided would be the "editorial judgement [that] would prevail". Intelligentsium 02:44, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

... everyone's judgement is valued equally, unless they are obviously wrong. 86.133.247.170 (talk) 03:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC)