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May 31

I am confused on locking a page?

Hi,

This page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlton_Floate has been routinely attacked and harassed.. I have read the page on requesting a page to be locked (I think it should be locked after this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Floate&oldid=776175266 )

I did not request this page be made, one of your editor's made it about me!

If you cannot lock this page, then please delete it. I do not consent for the page to be routinely vandalized like it has been.

One of your editor's even said I was convicted of INDECENT images of children, which is untrue.. I was convicted of restricted images of an ex girlfriend when I was just 18 years old! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharlesFloate (talk • contribs) 00:15, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

CharlesFloate Noting that a discussion has been opened on whether to delete this article. The discussion will run for 7 days. The page has also been "protected" so that only registered editors with an account at least 4 days old can now edit it: Noyster (talk), 09:02, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Marie Cosindas. Tried to correct the year of birth for my deceased aunt. Got ref content error.

Tried to correct the year of birth for my deceased aunt, Marie Cosindas. Got ref content error. Since you won't accept her own family's word on this, I included additional proof with a ref to the LDS FamilySearch site, entered as No idea what I did incorrectly.

108.20.208.169 (talk) 01:06, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Did you deliberately intend to include each line of the text of your question inside comment markers to stop us reading it? --David Biddulph (talk) 01:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

No. As you can see, I tried to format my text the same as others have. Could you possibly answer my question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.20.208.169 (talk) 01:22, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

The text <ref>https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KLLB-P74</ref> you included only in your edit summary, not as a citation in the article. In the article you added an empty reference string <ref></ref>, which is why it was flagged as an error. Advice on references is available at Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

References

Potential hate speech / vandalism on a talk page

I'm not sure what the protocol is for addressing the kind of comments made here. I wish, simply, that there was a way for me to request other editors not to engage in this person's rant. I'm afraid of what it might become. In my opinion, the best-case scenario would be for it to be ignored or removed. Again, however, I'm not sure what the norm is for such a situation. Suggestions? Thanks. Wolfdog (talk) 01:32, 31 May 2017 (UTC) (P.S. I see that Oshwah may have been involved with a similar situation with this same user in the past.)

You can delete it if you want to. It's sufficiently annoying and nonsensical that it'd be justified. Talk page comments are supposed to be to help improve the article, and this isn't that helpful as a practical fact, it's just a rant. I didn't delete it because it does bear on the subject of the article and I don't like to erase other people's opinions into the memory hole, if I can avoid it. Some stuff goes over the line of nonsense or incendiary insults. Another editor might delete. It's OK if you want to.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. It's the encyclopedia anyone can edit, not the encyclopedia anyone can edit who's not an annoying jerk. Just ignoring him might be best. Herostratus (talk) 01:49, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I think Herostratus's response to the rant is appropriate. Whereas deleting the rant would only encourage the ranter. Maproom (talk) 08:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, both of you. Wolfdog (talk) 20:26, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Wrong Picture on Michael Webb's Archigram Page

I am getting upset in that my own pictures of Michael Webb, my husband, aren't accepted by Wikipedia. Instead, there is a picture of him that is not him!!! It's another Michael Webb. I want his page deleted!!! Also, how does one cite a biography by the subject that isn't published. Do we have to publish his own biography scripted by himself??? I am very upset with Wikipedia. What a scam!! Please take his information off of Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Webb_(architect) Take down this page!!!

Nancy Wozniak Webb <redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nancywozniakwebb (talk • contribs) 04:26, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Neither of our articles (Michael_Webb_(architect), Archigram) has an image. I suspect you may have been looking at the information box on Google ([1]). We have no control over Google's content. Rmhermen (talk) 05:31, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Nancywozniakwebb: See also Template:HD/GKG. The Wikipedia policy Wikipedia:Verifiability only allows published sources so editors and readers can find them somewhere and check what they say. A selfpublished source, for example on the subject's own website, can be used in limited cases. See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published or questionable sources as sources on themselves. If you took a photo of him and own the copyright then it should be possible to upload it at commons:Special:UploadWizard if you will release it with a free license. What goes wrong? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

refs

Is there a way to add references to an article that might be too many, but might contain information that I might want to go back and add later, but in a way that wouldn't clutter up the article with too many refs? Benjamin (talk) 05:01, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

What's wrong with putting them on the talk page until you need them? --Jayron32 05:09, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Benjaminikuta: there's the template {{Refideas}} for that.  Seagull123  Φ  22:02, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

How to show archive entries on talk page

I am trying to insert a list of numerical entries and index in the archive section on the Talk:African-American Civil Rights Movement (1954–1968). For example, see Talk:Michael Jackson. Mitchumch (talk) 07:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

You need to get the archives moved first. The page title is Talk:African-American Civil Rights Movement (1954–1968) but the the talk page is being archived under Talk:African-American Civil Rights Movement (1954–68) - note the difference between 68 and 1968. I'd get that fixed first and move the archives, then get the indexing done. - X201 (talk) 09:06, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

There were 11 subpages at the old name. Administrators can include subpages in a move. I have moved them. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Mitchumch (talk) 13:51, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Talk about personal contacts, issues tht been created at home by the presence of the same Name like still hearing in the talk.

Can I talk with Prince Zean Orléands for face by face contact like suffering is too much because of the reason of the talk like only from the tongue is working and Talk is going with the effect to the personallife like nothing is for survive.Reason for talk is only need a verification is like reason of the talk ..How or for who is working when giving the negativity to me like living alone need to leave the rent house because of the talk sometimes is saying going through the military reason then coming personal and coming next is the religious believes is like life is going with talk and only talk. Help for say to anothers is no one is there for me.

Have a nice day :)

Regards Manjeet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.160.187.20 (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Manjeet. I'm afraid I have no idea what you are talking about. This is the help page for people who are editing Wikipedia. Unless your question relates to editing Wikipedia (and I don't think it does), then nobody here can help you. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 14:51, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Adding references from a hardcopy journal

I need to reference a page from a journal released by the Nigerian Government in 1956. 1.Is this journal considered as public domain material? 2.Can I upload a scanned image of the page or I have to write in and quote the actual statements referred to? 3.Do I still need permission from the Nigerian Government or Authority involved? Funkeleye (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Funkeleye: you neither can nor need to upload it. Sources don't need to be online. Simply cite it by identifying the name of the magazine, its publisher, the number/issue/year, the page number(s) you cite, and name of the author and article if applicable. That way others can find the same magazine for sale or in a library to verify your citation. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:35, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Funkeleye: use {{Cite journal}} to cite from journals. Mjroots (talk) 18:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

deleted page/banned editor

hi there. i've noticed that a wiki page has been deleted. i asked and got a response from the person who deleted it saying that it was due to a ban or blocked editor. i've learned that the ban or block needs to be addressed and i was wondering how to go about addressing the problem. i'm not sure what the exact reason is for the ban/block, but i'd love to know and settle any confusion and move forward with getting the page back up the correct way. what would be the next step? any advice would be greatly appreciated.

thanks!

Skatten69 (talk) 19:02, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

You received an answer when you asked at User talk:Sphilbrick#deleted page. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:25, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Wrong Information

Hello,

On the page: Olympiacos_F.C.

about Olympiacos FC, there is an error.

Under the section: "Statistics" / "Greek Championship records" / "Undefeated Champions" it is stated:

"6 (1936–37, 1937–38, 1947–48, 1950–51, 1953–54, 1954–55, 2015-16)"

This is wrong. It should read: "4 (1936–37, 1937–38, 1947–48, 1950–51, 1953–54)" since Olympiacos had only 4 undefeated seasons. They had 1 loss in the season 1954–55 and also 1 loss in the season 2015-16 as per pages:

1954–55 Panhellenic Championship

and

2015-16 Superleague Greece

Thank you very much for your consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.137.245.206 (talk) 19:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Well observed. You may want to make the change yourself. If you don't want to, you may want to make a note that effect on the talk page for the article at Talk:Olympiacos_F.C.Naraht (talk) 19:29, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Don't you mean "3 (1936–37, 1937–38, 1950–51)" or is there a season I missed?--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:53, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

RE: Wrong Information

Thank you very much for your reply,

First, I cannot make any change myself since the page: Olympiacos_F.C.

is locked and there is no "Edit" option.

It should be:

"4 (1936–37, 1937–38, 1947–48, 1950–51, 1953–54)"

and not:

"6 (1936–37, 1937–38, 1947–48, 1950–51, 1953–54, 1954–55, 2015-16)"

as it is stated now

or as you stated:

"3 (1936–37, 1937–38, 1950–51)".

So please make the correction to have it displayed as:

"4 (1936–37, 1937–38, 1947–48, 1950–51, 1953–54)"

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.137.245.206 (talk) 15:26, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

This is about Olympiacos F.C.#Greek Championship records. As the OP has provided no source, and I cannot easily check the facts, I shan't be making the edit myself. Maproom (talk) 17:09, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Re: Wrong Information

My request has still not been resolved.

Here are the references that you asked:

1954–55 Panhellenic Championship

and

2015-16 Superleague Greece

It should read: "4 (1936–37, 1937–38, 1947–48, 1950–51, 1953–54)" since Olympiacos had only 4 undefeated seasons. They had 1 loss in the season 1954–55 and also 1 loss in the season 2015-16 as per pages:

Please make the corrections. I cannot make the corrections since the page is locked.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.137.245.206 (talk) 13:40, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Please post your suggested change with citations to a published reliable source on the article's talk page. You can add {{edit request}} (with the double curly brackets) to get your request put on a list of pending requests. The "references" you have given above are not citations: they give me no hint of what publications to look in for the information, or where in that publication. Please see Referencing for beginners. --ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

The following page was possibly vandalized. How can it be fixed?

This page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Best_Animated_Feature_Academy_Award_winners

contains an entry for:

Home Alone (short film)

which links to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Alone_(short_film)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Alone_%28short_film%29

But this film -- despite my lengthy google-search -- appears not to exist.

Ergo, this may be a hoax / vandalization.

Clicking the edit tab did not give me the option to edit that part of the page.

What can be done?

Thanks.

PUE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peace Upon Earth (talk • contribs) 21:06, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Peace Upon Earth: The page Home Alone (short film) has been nominated for speedy deletion as a hoax or invention. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 21:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

PS for future reference, Wiki articles are included in category pages by adding the category to the article page. See the list of cats. at the bottom of Wiki pages (even this talk page). These are added or removed by clicking edit or by use of several available 'tools' E.g. WP:HOTCAT. Eagleash (talk) 21:27, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

The odd fact here is that the hoax article was created only a couple of days ago, but the entry which links to it has been there for more than ten years. Is there a genuine Home Alone short film? Dbfirs 21:25, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

It's copied from http://parody.wikia.com/wiki/Home_Alone, a wiki that encourages contributors to make up spoofs. Which entry linking to it are you referring to? If you mean Category:Best Animated Feature Academy Award winners then pages are placed in categories by editing the page and not the category, but an experienced editor should know that. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:42, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I also found it odd that, if you view the page history for Category:Best Animated Feature Academy Award winners the entry appears in versions from 2006. Is there something different about 'past versions' when it come to categories?Eagleash (talk) 22:51, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

It's not the version of the category page which governs which articles are displayed within the category. That is governed by which articles include the category. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:32, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

So that's a 'yes' then? Item will appear in 'old' versions, even though the page was only recently placed in the category. Eagleash (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, all revisions of category pages show the current members, like all revisions of wiki pages show the current templates and styling. The Internet Archive at https://archive.org/ sometimes have snapshots of how pages really looked at the time. Their snapshots of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Best_Animated_Feature_Academy_Award_winners does not show the recent addition Home Alone (short film). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Makes sense; never had occasion to think about it before. Eagleash (talk) 00:46, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Search engines adding a "www" to wikipage

Does anyone know why search engines are adding a www in front of a wiki page? Michele Ragusa - Wikipedia https://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Ragusa

I contacted Google and they said it is a Wiki issue. Pages just begin with the "en" so when you click the link it says: This site can’t be reached

www.en.wikipedia.org’s server DNS address could not be found. DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN

Any thoughts would be so appreciated. Thank you! Parplaywright (talk) 21:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Parplaywright: I cannot reproduce your problem. The search https://www.google.com/search?q=Michele+Ragusa+-+Wikipedia works fine for me with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Ragusa as the first result. Exactly where does it happen? Are you searching at a website or from a browser feature? What is your browser? Please post a link to the site where it happens and the specific search where it happens. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:06, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm searching simply "Michele Ragusa" from my laptop (PC) and using either Chrome or Microsoft Edge i go to search bar and the result comes up with a www added to the wiki page. Is it possible it's a cookies issue or something else strictly on my computer? I tried to clear the cache but maybe I need to do something else. Thanks for checking from where you are. Appreciate it PrimeHunter Parplaywright (talk) 23:20, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

@Parplaywright: You said you contacted Google so I assumed it was a Google search but Microsoft Edge uses Microsoft's own Bing (search engine) by default. You didn't link the search but I guess it was a Bing search because I can reproduce the result in Bing: https://www.bing.com/search?q=Michele+Ragusa+-+Wikipedia gives me https://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Ragusa. I don't know why they have www in the address. The little green triangle shows their cache from allegedly visiting the page. Their cache lacks the styling found in working Wikipedia pages including their cache of pages at https://en.wikipedia.org. This might indicate it is a Wikipedia server problem, sometimes serving bad pages on bad url's. The Bing search site:www.en.wikipedia.org says 12.200 results. We have five million articles and millions of other pages. site:en.wikipedia.org says 46.600.000 results so the problem sounds relatively small by our standards but of course annoying for the affected users. Google gives 0 results for site:www.en.wikipedia.org and says about 12.800.000 for site:en.wikipedia.org. Bing powers Yahoo search which also shows the problem. I will soon post it to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Bing gives broken www.en.wikipedia.org results. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:58, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Vc fuller

Hi vc fuller never had a adopted son , his wife took in a home boy called John but she never adopted him and it was also a couple of years after vc fuller died so your facts are totally wrong . This is coming from the great grand child of vc fuller please can you acknowlege this fact your Lisa shirvell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:8AE:8300:7D84:90ED:1145:A88 (talk) 21:23, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Could you please let us know which article contains the error? Dbfirs 21:28, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

This appears to be about Wilfred Dolby Fuller, which mentions "...later adopted a son".--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:34, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. The claim was unsourced, had faulty grammar, and a trivial link, so I've removed it. Dbfirs 11:32, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

How do I create a bot?

Hello, I am wondering how to create a bot. --Skim

Hi Skim. See Wikipedia:Creating a bot.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:18, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Englefield House

The link at the end of this article to Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge, does not go to her i.e. -the former Kate Middleton. The link incorrectly goes to a page about Duchess of Cambridge. Is this OK? I think not. 23:23, 31 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.216.210.155 (talk)

 Fixed Link tweaked to point to 'Kate's' page. Eagleash (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2017 (UTC)