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May 21

A user has removed many external links. Is this OK?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:8805:9200:19F0:611C:E34B:333C:F634

As you can see, this user has in the course of a couple hours wiped out some or all of the "External Links" section of about seven articles. The intent doesn't seem to be to remove inaccurate information, and in fact I can't discern any reason for these edits. What should be my next step? (I have restored the links in one case that I know a lot about.)

Larrydberg (talk) 00:32, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Larryberg: You can undo the edits, placing suitable warning templates on the IP's talk page or contact an administrator. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 01:11, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I Wouldn't Have Missed It For The World by Ronnie Milsap written by Charles Quillen, Kye Fleming and Dennis Morgan

My name is Reginald Boaler from Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

I will be competing in the Toastmasters, 2018 International Speech Championships in Chicago Ill. in August. There will be 102 semi-finalists with 10 winners moving forward to the World finals on August 25th, 2018.

My speech that I have written for the World finals is about my adopted daughter, Cassie-Lynn and the seven minute oratory explains how, despite incredible odds, how we were able to adopt her.

At the conclusion of the speech, I have :20 seconds of the song, "I Wouldn't Have Missed It For The World" that plays while a collage of photos of Cassie shows her growing up right before your eyes, from a two-pound infant, into a beautiful young woman.

I would like permission to use these :20 seconds of Ronnie's song so that I can have a clear conscience during this competition.

Can someone please help me contact the people who can grant me this permission?

You may also contact me < redacted >

Thank you for your help.

Kindest regards,

Reg Boaler — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reg Boaler (talk • contribs) 01:08, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

• Hi there. This is the help desk for using or editing Wikipedia, not the help desk for general info. You will need to find the copyright holder for the work and contact them, since Wikipedia does not hold that copyright and therefore cannot grant permission to you. Perhaps start with the "labels" links from our Ronnie Milsap article and go to the appropriate record company's site. -Arch dude (talk) 03:27, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

You may find some useful information at http://www.cmrra.ca/, Reg Boaler. --ColinFine (talk) 09:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Wellington Country Park - Berkshire

Hi,

Wellington Country Park's page keeps being edited by a Jonathan Rubble.

The Park is in Berkshire - phone lines, internet and county is Berkshire even though main area of Park is Hampshire and local council is Hart. We are split between all 3.

I would be grateful if the image can be removed and he can be blocked from writing incorrect information?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshwcp (talk • contribs) 10:09, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Joshwcp: You should discuss this matter in the talk page of the article. Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 10:20, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I've reverted the article due to the blatant copyvio. Have also tagged it for lack of references and notability. The address is the least of it's worries. - X201 (talk) 11:14, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Joshwcp, your user name and editing suggest that you have a conflict of interest that you must declare. COI editors shouldn't edit the article, but only suggest improvements on the talk page, with independent verifiable sources. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the park, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the park claims or interviewing its management. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:16, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

The map at Wellington Country Park is amusing, but probably not encyclopedic. The article itself cites no sources at all. Maproom (talk) 14:56, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

The map is a derivative work of a Google Maps image, so I have tagged it for deletion. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:57, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

How to upload the correct company logo to the page - Radical Sportscars

Hello, I'd like to update the company logo for Radical Sportscars and also add some images/remove an incorrect captioned image. Please advise?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_Sportscars

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carly4652 (talk • contribs) 13:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

What to do with foreign-language article

• Piața A-Z

I came across this article, and since August 2015 it has been written in Romanian. I pulled forward what little English there was from the history and while this is as much as I'm willing to do myself, this is obviously not sufficient fixing. How or where can properly I draw others' attention to this, so it does not go another three years as-is? 24.50.179.213 (talk) 17:08, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I added the appropriate Needs translation from Twinkle, this should get it brought to the right people. I was hoping the Romanian wikipedia had an article on it, but while that newspaper is list in the list of newspapers in Transylvania, it doesn't have an article itself.Naraht (talk) 17:14, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. 24.50.179.213 (talk) 17:14, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You can tag it with template {{not english}} and list it at WP:PNT. Mathglot (talk) 17:21, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

California's 34th congressional district

Hi,

In the elections section of California's 34th congressional district, there is a coding problem. Instead of showing the results, it shows "{{{votes}}}". Can someone solve that problem? Thanks.

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 17:29, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@WhatsUpWorld: It appears that no value is specified - it includes the following template:

{{Election box turnout no change| |percentage = }}

I'll look into it further, but if I can't find anything I may just end up removing the turnouts. LittlePuppers (talk) 19:24, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorted by adding | votes = into {{Election box turnout no change}} in each results table. There is no point filling that field, as it would be identical with the total votes in the line above: Noyster (talk), 19:36, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@WhatsUpWorld and Noyster: I've removed that, as it's not really used - if anyone has turnout information, feel free to revert and add that in. A summary of the history is that back in 2008 it was used as a total votes parameter. Later they added total votes and emptied but kept the turnout (however they did keep the parameters, so it didn't give any errors.) After some changes in the tables total votes had been replaced by turnout, but soon after total votes had been re-added and turnout was completely emptied, so it's been giving template errors since '08. LittlePuppers (talk) 19:52, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your involvement guys! WhatsUpWorld (talk) 20:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Anatoly Rubin

Anatoly Rubin didn't join the Partisans. He searched for them and when he met them and told them that he was a jew, they almost killed him, but in the end the let him go. Two weeks ago I edited the page of "Anatoly Rubin" and it was reverted. I got the following message:

"Hello, I'm LakesideMiners. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions —specifically this edit to Anatoly Rubin— because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help Desk. Thanks. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMinersClick Here To Talk To Me! 15:31, 14 May 2018 (UTC)".

in "Anti-Semitism in the Partisan Movement of Belorussia, 1941-1944 Translated by Judith Springer" Footnotes 21 tells about it:

"In March 1943, Anatoly Rubin from the Minsk ghetto was hiding under the name of Stepanov in the village of Drabovshchina, Kletsk district. In the fall of 1943, he came across a partisan marching column in the area of the village of Chasha. Anatoly told the partisans that his parents had died in the ghetto and he wanted to take revenge. Ironic smiles appeared on the partisans' faces and chuckles and retorts with a deliberately affected Jewish accent were heard: “What will you do as a partisan -- shoot? But we don't have curved rifles”[20]. Then they asked him whether his parents worked in a store and whether Anatoly was not a spy sent by the Germans. They urged him to confess on his own, or else they promised to perform a second circumcision on him. Suddenly it seemed to the young man that he was among disguised polizei. In the end, he was ordered to lie with his face on the ground and count to 100 until the column moved away[21]".

Please help me to correct it. Karny.rubin (talk) 18:06, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Karny.rubin The statement in the lead (which was added by someone else) disagrees with the referenced statement in the main body, and you have given us an extra reference here, which may be cited as

• Smilovitsky, Leonid (2000). "Anti-Semitism in the Partisan Movement of Belorussia, 1941-1944". Katastrofia Evreev v Belorusii 1941-1944 [Holocaust in Belorussia, 1941-1944]. Translated by Judith Springer. Tel Aviv: Biblioteka Motveya Chernogo. pp. 147–.

It seems to me that your version was correct on this matter, and also contained minor improvements. However, you have also taken up the matter with LakesideMiners on his talk page, who may give his own view. Failing that, the article talk page is the normal place to discuss article content. There is more work to be done in the article, in terms of referencing remaining parts of the biography, and modifying language such as "Deep inside him there burned the fire of determination", which (unless quoting a published statement) is not suitable for an encyclopedia: Noyster (talk), 21:55, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I have partially restored the reverted edits: Noyster (talk), 15:20, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

User:Noyster Hello Noyster, Thank you for explaining to me that changes that I want to put in the page of 'Anatoly Rubin' should be written in his talk page, I simply was ignorant to it. In addition to the partisan, I want to point out that he was in the Gulags twice. The first time during Stalin's days because of an antisemitic false charge, he was sentenced to 5 years and he was pardoned and released after a year. The second time was during the days of Khrushchev because of his Zionist activity, this time he was sentenced for 6 years and served the full term in the gulags. He was almost arrested the third time because of his Zionist activities, but after intensive interrogations he was sent to Israel to "poison the mind of the Israeli youth". Leonard Schroeter wrote about this in his book "the last exodus"and it is written as well in Barbara Epstein's book "The Minsk Ghetto 1941–1943: Jewish Resistance and Soviet Internationalism" I can't understand also why the original documents of his incarceration and of the rehabilitation he got, why i was not permitted to included this original documents. Memorial's documentation of the second incarceration was permitted but the original documents were not permitted, how can I change it? memorial has also a document of the rehabilitation but only to the blame of the intent to assassinate Khrushchev and not a total rehabilitation as the document showes. Is there someone who can help me advance this page? Karny.rubin (talk) 18:23, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Karny.rubin. I have scanned through the page history of Anatoly Rubin but cannot identify an instance where you were "not permitted" to include references to original documents. In any case, though, the type of sources we prefer in Wikipedia articles are "secondary sources" such as published books, rather than "primary sources" – original documents. This is because as editors we do not undertake "original research", which is often necessary to interpret original documents and put them in their context. Now I do urge you to carry on any further discussion on Talk:Anatoly Rubin, as this Help desk section will soon be archived and out of sight. This is quite a substantial article you have made here, and I very much hope you and others will continue to improve it: Noyster (talk), 13:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Where to start

There's so much information on every page! How do I know where to start?

My opinions seem 'valid' to I but I'm not sure if they will be taken seriously; do I have to provide citations for all comments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wettil (talk • contribs) 18:27, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, you have to provide citations for any addition to an article, or at least for anything likely to be challenged, see the key policy on verifiability. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:52, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

• Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a forum. We have no interest in your opinions about article content, we only want to include information you find in reliable sources. If you are trying to improve an article, then in comments on the article's talk page, feel free to express opinions about article layout, wording, emphasis, etc., but even there, you may wish to cite varioius Wikipedia policy pages. When you make a comment on a talk page about content, then yes, you will be taken more seriously if you cite reliable sources. -Arch dude (talk) 19:13, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gia na xereis alaniari

Aman Doktor is deleted with this change Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gia na xereis alaniari. However, this page is an album by Candan Ercetin and not created by the person listed. Can an admin revert this change? --Joseph (talk) 18:58, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Joseph: The page has already been restored per your request at User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus#Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gia na xereis alaniari. Deor (talk) 20:54, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Deor: --Joseph (talk) 17:38, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

How to unrevert

I am what you might call a new user and spent all afternoon correcting the list of junctions for the A4 autoroute page in English. Just as i was finishing the last couple of corrections a user called lakesideminers reverted all my edits saying they didn't appear to be constructive. I assume this user thinks I have vandalised the page. If anyone actually takes the time to refer to a map they will see that my edits are in fact correct and the previous list of junctions was out dated and wrongly numbered. I have written to lakesideminers but I would simply like to be able to continue correcting the page without fear of someone who clearly doesn't know the road reverting all my corrections. How can I revert the reversion and continue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.98.21.192 (talk • contribs)

• First, go to the article's talk page and start a discussion with the other user there, explaining what you are doing. This is part of the normal "bold, revert, discuss" cycle (see WP:BRD). It helps to assume that the user is trying, like yourself, to improve the article (see WP:AGF). And thanks for helping! if you need further help, come back here, but please include the article name in a link here, and sign your edits (here and at the talk page) using four tildes (~~~~). After you complete your discussion, we or the other user can help you with the unrevert. -Arch dude (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

(A4 autoroute, LakesideMiners) -Arch dude (talk) 20:08, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

The post by LakesideMiners at User talk:81.98.21.192 said "specifically this edit". The edit inserted "LILLE BOBIGNY" in all caps with no explanation. Such edits are usually unconstructive. LakesideMiners used a revert method which automatically reverts all your consecutive edits to the page. I suspect the other edits were not examined. We get a lot of unconstructive edits by unregistered users and there isn't always time to examine everything. See Help:Reverting. But I see you use the mobile app. I don't know how that works. It's possible the instructions only work in a browser. Here is a link to your latest version. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

I've restored the version just before your edit in BLOCK CAPITALS that looked like vandalism, on the assumption that all of your previous edits were genuine. If there is any further disagreement, then the place to discuss it is the talk page of the article. Edit summaries help to avoid misunderstandings, though I appreciate that this might be more difficult from a mobile app. Dbfirs 21:13, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Dbfirs and 81.98.21.192: I go by the most recent edit and I have WP:Huggle set up to show me the most recent edit by a user and to revert all edits by that user to that page if they have no other edits by other users in a row. This is the best I am able to describe it so it might be hard to understand. So sorry if that is the case. But thank you Dbfirs (talk · contribs) for handling this for me! Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 14:53, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Edit box appearance

I have done something weird to the settings for my editing - the page no longer looks right and I can't remember how to fix it - for example I used to have the ability to find a word and replace it when I clicked on edit - now I get the basic options and nothing more. I tried resetting to default in case some option I had turned on had done this but I can't see where to get this back. If someone knows what I mean, help!! PS - yes I think it was WikiEd but that's selected and it isn't appearing. I don't know what I may have done...Antiqueight (talk) 19:35, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@Antiqueight: There are several editor interfaces, several find-and-replace features, and "the basic options" could refer to different things. Can you be more specific? Does it make a difference to click edit when you are logged out? In the default source editor, click "Advanced" above the edit box and there should be a search and replace icon with a magnifying glass to the right. When wikEd is selected at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and working, it can be enabled and disabled on a pencil icon at top of the page after "Log out". wikEd requires JavaScript and such scripts sometimes fail when there are problems with other scripts. What is your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:08, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: - you are a genius. It was the pencil icon. It's all back perfectly (I was seeing the same logged out as logged in. I then clicked the pencil and voila, it's all back to normal. I both didn't know that and must have clicked it unintentionally at some point. You rock. Thank you.Antiqueight (talk) 17:03, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Editable editsummaries

I've seen editsummaries that do not accurately describe the edit (for example [1][2][3]). I am unable to edit these editsummaries. Why aren't editsummaries editable? Ideally we would have meta-editsummaries, and history pages that show how the editsummary has changed over time. Edward Mordake (talk) 22:45, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

And meta-editsummaries, which by the same logic should be editable, and then meta-meta-editsummaries, which by the same logic should be editable ... ad infinitum. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:59, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. Editsummaries should be like matryoshka dolls! Edward Mordake (talk) 23:05, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

This has been rejected several times as not worth the complications. See for example phab:T12105 and phab:T15937. I agree. Edit summaries are not seen by readers and we don't need more to spend time on and fight over. You can make a dummy edit in serious cases. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll take a look. Edward Mordake (talk) 23:05, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Resolved

If I ever get evaluated for typographical errors in edit summaries, I will be in big trouble. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:28, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Searching or disputing a deleted article

I am looking for the page of Patrick Little (American California Senate Candidate) which looks like it's been deleted. I am inquiring as to why it has been deleted and on which platform can I appeal the decision? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:4B1A:2800:1974:7921:9965:34B0 (talk) 23:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Note for those who don't know who this Patrick Little is, he is a nazi. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/patrick-little-neo-nazi-california/ http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-patrick-kicked-out-gop-convention-san-diego-20180507-htmlstory.html Edward Mordake (talk) 23:51, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Patrick Little (engineer) was deleted after discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Little (engineer) and redirected to United States Senate election in California, 2018. See Wikipedia:Deletion policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:00, 22 May 2018 (UTC)