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Turkish cuisine

The "Turkish cuisine" page needs a complete overhaul, it's full of all kinds of errors. 151.68.11.81 (talk) 00:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry to learn of this, but not at all surprised. Many pages need complete overhauls. If you have reliable sources (which of course may be in Turkish) for Turkish cuisine, then fix the mistakes, or as many as your reliable sources and time and energy permit. Be sure to say which reliable source you're using for which correction. If this seems too complex, then instead make specific recommendations in Talk:Turkish cuisine. -- Hoary (talk) 00:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

There are 6.6 million English language Wikipedia articles and 8 billion humans on the planet. I think that it is safe to say that you are the human being on the planet most interested in improving this particular article at this time. So, go right ahead and get to work. Be sure to explain, with references to reliable sources, how Turkish cuisine differs from Levantine cuisine and Greek cuisine, and more broadly Mediterranean cuisine in general. Cullen328 (talk) 07:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary: and @Cullen328: I make the observation again: the page on Turkish cuisine is BADLY placed, not so much because of the text, but because of the USE OF ITALICS; italics are used badly (there are so many Turkish-only foods for which italics should be used; the problem is that I don't know which ones need italics and which do not). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.82.171.114 (talk) 13:44, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand how you are both (i) certain that "italics are used badly", and (ii) unsure of "which [foods] need italics and which do not". If the problem is that you don't know which criteria to use in order to determine whether italicizing is desirable, please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting#Foreign_terms and the other pages to which this points. If this is obscure, or if the problem is elsewhere, then feel free to ask here (within this thread). -- Hoary (talk) 22:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

How to bookmark pages within Wiki account (logged in user)?

Is there a way to bookmark pages within my wiki account and not just on my web browser? Similar to the way that logged in wiki users have a Watchlist, except that is maintains lists of changes and I just want a simple Bookmark feature. Skræling (talk) 02:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Skræling: As far as I know the only platform that has something similar to what you're asking for is the mobile app's reading lists. You can also use your watchlist to keep track of pages you manually watch. The entire watchlist can be viewed by clicking on the "View and edit watchlist" link at the top of the watchlist. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:56, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Skræling: you can also create a subpage of your user page (e.g., User:Skræling/bookmarks) and put links on it. -Arch dude (talk) 04:39, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I think I sometimes use watchlist as a bookmark. If you don't put many on for watching for changes, then you can just use it for bookmarks. You can go to the page that has all your watchlist items. Gah4 (talk) 05:58, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Cadillac CT5

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Information0007 (talk) 06:45, 7 May 2023 (UTC) hello, how do I add a citation

Information0007, are you asking about https://patentcenter.uspto.gov/applications/29621189. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)? If so, you need to add title= 29/621,189 | DES000041-US-DP_D[9]: Vehicle Front Fascia. -- Hoary (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Redlinks

I've noticed recently that some wikilinks, such as this one Zucchini (disambiguation), now appear to me in red, even though they're to pages that exist. I've tried changing browser, I've tried changing changing skin, they're still red. Is this a known bug? Maproom (talk) 07:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Actually, it's orange. Somewhere in your preferences (I've lost it ATM) there is a check box to show disambiguation links in orange. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets has "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange". Zucchini (disambiguation) is orange for me. Zucchini (no such page) is red. They look quite different to me. The gadget code is:

a.mw-disambig { color: #f17600; }

You can pick another color by disabling the gadget and adding similar code to your CSS. See Web colors for options. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Candi_CdeBaca article formatting error?

Hi, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candi_CdeBaca the infobox appears as text in the article, at least in my browser. Does not look right. T 84.208.65.62 (talk) 11:40, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 11:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

"Plot" of this article

Could someone look at how 2_Hearts_(film) complies with WP:PLOT, if it does at all. Thank you. doktorb _words^deeds 13:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

It's not particularly well-written (e.g. saying "the film" does this and that) and a bit too detailed for my taste, but otherwise seems okay. What issues are you having with it? (WP:Spoilers are fine.) Clarityfiend (talk) 10:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

ChatGPT

It's probably been asked already, but is it acceptable to add ChatGPT output to Wikipedia? Let's assume that the content is all stuff whose truth I would verify and that I would provide reliable sources for. Nevertheless, starting my edits with ChatGPT output could significantly accelerate the writing of material which in theory I could write myself, but would otherwise take a lot longer. Are there copyright issues with such output, or any other issues I can't think of? Ar2332 (talk) 13:44, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

See WP:LLM for the developing policy on usage of large language models such as ChatGPT. Art the cirrent stage of LLM's, I do not believe using ChatGPT will be significantly faster than writing encyclopedic material the old fashioned way, because a large amount of the time gained by not having to write the material yourself will be spent fixing up the AI output. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

To amplify what Victor Schmidt mobil says above: be aware that ChatGTP often synthesises untrue (and even impossible) statements in amongst the correct ones it draws from the internet, and sometimes invents spurious 'references' to corroborate them. Double-checking all of its seemingly plausible output would likely be quite challenging. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.213.18.208 (talk) 13:10, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Sometimes when I write a program, I start with one I wrote previously. Then I modify it, such that there might not be any lines from the original left. I suspect that isn't unusual. Maybe starting with ChatGPT output isn't a good way, but maybe it could work. Gah4 (talk) 05:55, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Naming a article

What should I do if I want to make an article but the naming is difficult. I am wanting to make a article about an event that led to 6 students being hospitalized. At this time it is known a unknown smell caused the event. How should I name the article? Another event would be a fight between a Russian and Ukraine deploy at. How should I name articles if I don’t know how to name them? LuxembourgLover (talk) 17:07, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Frankly, I doubt that either event would meet Wikipedia:Notability requirements for an article. As for naming articles that do, see Wikipedia:Article titles. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I think the school would meet it. It lead to 6 critically injured students being taken to the hospital and the school closes for two days. LuxembourgLover (talk) 18:19, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Remember, this is a global project. "There was a funny smell down at the high school; doctors looked at six kids and the school closed" is barely notable enough for local coverage, if your kid doesn't go there. There's no hint of an indication that this event is globally notable, unless the kids exposed start turning into lizard people or switching genders or develop superpowers or something. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

LuxembourgLover, the source you linked to does not say that the students were critically injured. Instead, it says that they are in stable condition. Accurately summarizing sources is an essential skill for Wikipedia editors. Cullen328 (talk) 18:47, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I have seen many sources for the event. I just grabbed that one for the question. LuxembourgLover (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

If there's no well-known name for an incident, it usually means it's not notable. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Netflix

can you search old movies? Pedia115 (talk) 17:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but I don't see how that is relevant here. Do you have a question about how to use or edit Wikipedia? Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

New Article Submitted

a journalists biography submitted Tarin7767 (talk) 18:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Why doesn't my page accept even after I submit the page with correct reference again and again? Tarin7767 (talk) 18:18, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

You need so provide independent sources demonstrating in-depth coverage, not citations to the individual's own website. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Now see if everything is ok.?  If correct please make public and if wrong please let me know Tarin7767 (talk) 18:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

There is literally NOTHING there that is not cited back to his own website. We don't care what he says about himself. We want to know what the world says about him. If there is no substantive coverage about him in the national and worldwide press, then we are forced to conclude that he's just another of the millions of journalists globally who are not notable enough to merit an article in a worldwide project. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:30, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

It is extremely unlikely although not impossible that a 20 year old journalist would be notable. Cullen328 (talk) 18:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

This person is not notable for Wikipedia's purpose. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Tarin7767 has been blocked indefiniyely. Maproom (talk) 07:35, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Partially expanded navbox?

Is there a way to force a navbox to display partially expanded?

My userpage includes {{Userspace linking templates}} navbox for quick reference. My preference is to partially expand the navbox to show the four subcategories headers, but not expand the subcategories.

Is there some trick to do this with WikiText? — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 19:15, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@BillHPike: I have added state parameters without changing the defaults.[1] You can now call with |state=expanded |state1=collapsed. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:48, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: This answer is so helpful that I felt the need to award a barnstar. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 20:07, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I created a translation of a Wikipedia article as a draft & the draft does not have a way to submit it. How do I submit it?

I created a translation of a Wikipedia article as a draft & the draft does not have a way to submit it. How do I submit it?

The Draft is Draft:Jose Mariano Calderon de San Martin and it has no option to submit the draft.

It is a Translation of The Spanish article José_Mariano_Calderón. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 22:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I have added a header that allows you to submit the draft for review when it is ready.

However, it is not ready: Unreliable sources such as Wikipedia are not acceptable. This means that you have just one source (La Prensa Grafica: one dead link and one to the archived version). I was going to say that you can use the sources from es:Jose Mariano Calderon, but you already have. One source is not normally enough to establish notability in English Wikiepdia. ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I am still working on the article & was just confused at why the header wasn't there. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 22:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

PaulGamerBoy360, why is this draft titled "Jose Mariano Calderon de San Martin", and not "José Mariano Calderón y San Martín"? -- Hoary (talk) 01:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

I Have fixed that. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 21:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Becoming "Notable"

I am creating a page for my deceased father who was a member of a popular singing group, as well as performing in several TV shows, movies and commercials. He's written two self-published books, but because they are self-published, I'm told they don't count. A lot of his work was done in the 70's -2000's. He has a IMDb. page with his later work, but the stuff from the 70's, I don't have proof of. I have several newspaper clippings but those newspapers are no longer in circulation. He is on Wikipedia with the other members of the band, but yet he's not "notable" and I don't know how to fix that. Alanastribling (talk) 22:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Alanastribling, IMDB is of no use. It doesn't matter at all that a newspaper no longer exists: the New York Herald Tribune, for example, can still be cited. Please choose the three best (most informative) among the newspaper articles, and for each of these three, here (in this thread), specify the author(s) (if named), the article title, the newspaper title, the date, and the page number(s). -- Hoary (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Alanastribling. First you need to read about editing with a conflict of interest: you are not forbidden to do so, but it makes it harder, because it is likely to be difficult for you to write neutrally, and you are also likely to put in information because you know it, rather than from the published sources.

Sources do not have to be online, or still in circulation: it is enough that a reader could obtain them, eg from a major library. As long as your clippings have the name and date of the paper, and preferably a page number and an author's name, and as long as they were published by a reputable newspaper, they will be acceptable: see WP:REFB for how to cite them.

You cannot make a subject notable: he either is or isn't, and that depends on whether those sources you have are adequate: that they were reliably published, they were independent of him (not based on interviews or press releases) and they contain significant coverage of him. ColinFine (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Alanastribling, as a general principle, an autobiography is of no value in establishing the notability of its author, because it is not independent of that author. Cullen328 (talk) 23:14, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Citing personal correspondence

Hello,

So I've been a long-time editor of the article Fredric Hobbs. You'll note that the lede of this article says "his works are part of the permanent collections of the Museum of Modern Art (New York), the Metropolitan Museum of Art, the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, and the Fine Arts Museum of San Francisco." This quote cites one of Hobbs' obituaries, but I have otherwise been largely unable to verify this claim, as many of these museums don't have complete collection catalogs publicly available. The quote of the obituary is surely sufficient for the claim at the moment, but out of curiosity I reached out to one of the museums (the MOMA in NY) to confirm that Hobbs' work is indeed in their collection. I received the following email from the Film Studies department:

Apr 27, 2023, 12:06 PM

Dear User:mathmitch7,

We do have a 16mm acetate print of Trojan Horse. Robert Blaisdell and Ronald Bostwick are listed as Directors, with Fredric Hobbs cited as Artist. A note cites the source of information as the film credits themselves. As far as I can see, the film has never been exhibited.

I hope this information is helpful to you in your research. Please let me know if I can assist in anything else.

Best,

The Film Study Center

The Celeste Bartos International Film Study Center

Department of Film

The Museum of Modern Art

11 West 53 Street

New York, NY 10019

This appears to at least partially confirm the obituary's claim, and strengthens the article's notability. However, I have no idea how to cite the information that Hobbs' film is in the MOMA, especially because the Film Study Center's collection catalogue is not available to the public, as per their website. The only text I can cite for this fact, at this time, is this email. Is there any way I can cite this? Is this information even worth adding? Does anybody have thoughts? - - mathmitch7 ^{(talk/contribs)} 23:42, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

mathmitch7, you say This quote cites one of Hobbs' obituaries, but I have otherwise been largely unable to verify this claim, as many of these museums don't have complete collection catalogs publicly available. The quote of the obituary is surely sufficient for the claim at the moment [...]. I disagree. If the obituary were printed in, say, the NYT, then I might agree; but the cited obituary is this, published via "everloved.com", unsigned, and in no way suggesting to me that it was written by an artist, filmmaker, art/film critic/historian, gallerist, curator, or whatever. (The other sources cited in the article also look more or less dubious.) And private communications can't be cited. -- Hoary (talk) 00:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

• See WP:RS. Personal correspondence has not been published in a reliable source. It should not be used as a reference. --Jayron32 14:35, 8 May 2023 (UTC)