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WP:RLR

I am a member of this wikiproject. I would like to use the tool Red Link Recovery Live to check the red links and get alternatives of them in articles. But when I opened the tool, I saw only this message-This combination of project and language is not configured, sorry. What should I do for work this tool?--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 05:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

If you click on the "Discuss" link on the tool page, it will take you to WP:WikiProject_Red_Link_Recovery/RLRL, where you will see that it was recognised last year that the tool (with others in the same directory) isn't working. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:41, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

@David Biddulph:Thank you.--PATH SLOPU^(Talk) 13:30, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Mark Wright Edmundson Professional Bio

My first draft was rejected for several reasons which were all corrected and the draft was then resubmitted. A second reviewer rejected the new draft for a different, simple reason but, and this is my question, the draft was also moved to avoid breaking links and now I can't edit it because it is in code instead of the visual editor. Please advise, and thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Clemens (talk • contribs) 18:06, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

A file doesn't exist in 2 different formats, but it will be displayed differently within the editor depending on which of the editors you choose to use. Draft:Mark Edmundson can be edited in whichever of the editors you prefer. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

@David Clemens: to switch between visual editor and source code editor (and vice versa) just look for the little black pencil icon on the upper right hand side of the editing tools window. Click that, and you can switch back and forth between visual editor and wiki source code editor. You can also choose, as DavidB says, how your editing preferences are remembered in future between sessions. Just go to Preferences and select the option that best suits your needs. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:13, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

What do you mean by "the editing tools window", Nick? I don't see "the little black pencil icon", but I'm sticking to the traditional editor and I don't use the visual editor. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:18, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

David Biddulph - if you're already in the visual editor, the black pencil button will show up in the top right corner of the page right next to the "publish changes" button. If you're already in the source editor, it will show up on the top right of the whole editing interface, on the right side of the toolbar. I hope this helps clarify things.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 19:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

No, I can't see the black pencil. Perhaps it depends on some preference setting? --David Biddulph (talk) 19:31, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I just fixed it. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:30, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Shorter. David notMD (talk) 19:37, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Please I need help on how to make my article suitable for publishing.

Hello guys, trust you had or having a great day.

Please i need help on how to make my article suitable for publishing. IT had received a decline once and i don't want that the second time. Please help, i think the problem is as a result of no referencing.

I use this as a format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_Baddo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dj_Micky#External_links thats the link to the draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamdjmicky (talk • contribs) 15:05, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Iamdjmicky Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Note the bit that says "strongly discouraged". That means, you should not write about yourself. If you do, expect to find your article nominated for deletion unless you can provide serveral reliable sources that write about you in-depth. Hint: Facebook is not a reliable source. Vexations (talk) 15:28, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Vexations Please can i find a freelance wikipedia Editor who can help write this? I am confused. I don't know the next step. Maybe I should just delete the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamdjmicky (talk • contribs) 16:40, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Iamdjmicky. I fear you are making the common mistake of supposing that Wikipedia has anything at all to do with your online presence or telling the world about yourself. It doesn't. If Wikipedia ever has an article about you it should be based almost 100% on what people who have no connection with you have chosen to publish about you - and if such sources do not exist, there cannot be an article about you, whoever writes it and however they do so. If there is an article about you, it will not belong to you, you willl have no control over it, and it should contain almost no information that comes from you or your associates. Please see WP:NOTABILITY and WP:PRIDE, apart form the links you have already been given. --ColinFine (talk) 16:56, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay! ColinFine, Vexations thanks, I really appreciate you guys on this, having gone through various links and guides I now have a clear understanding of what qualifies a wikipedia article. The most important, I cant write about MYSELF. Please can i get a Wikipedia Editor who can do this for me freelance or for a fee? Thanks. Warm regards, Mike. Iamdjmicky (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:52, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Not reliably, Iamdjmicky, and not at all unless you can be shown to be notable (in Wikipedia's special sense). If you do the legwork of finding suitable sources (see IRS) that might make it more attractive to somebody, but in the end everybody who edits here is a volunteer, and we all work on what we choose. Somebody will pick up your request only if something about it catches their interest; if they do so, it will not be for you: it will be for Wikipedia. The place to make the request, if you can find some sources, is requested articles. --ColinFine (talk) 19:59, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Expertscape article submission

I've submitted an article(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Expertscape) for review but would appreciate any advice or edits that would help the article. As one of the founders of the website, I have a conflict of interest and so am hopeful that others can adopt the article. We get frequent requests from hospitals, medical schools, and medical experts to have a Wikipedia entry that they can reference. Any guidance or edits would be appreciated. B4chex11 (talk) 14:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

You need to read the advice at WP:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. Thanks for declaring your conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:27, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

The submission has been declined. The references appear to be casual or in-passing mentions of Expertscape. Not adequate for Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 16:55, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I've tried to correct the problems with the submission and have re-submitted. Admittedly, I don't begin to understand the methods and details involved with the submission process, so any advice would be appreciated.(We just had another example from Ochsner this week - https://news.ochsner.org/news-releases/ochsner-cardiologist-recognized-as-world-expert-on-health-topics). Thanks. B4chex11 (talk) 21:49, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I checked various articles and there are a dozen Wikipedia pages that mention Expertscape, and some of those have dead links. If it's helpful, we'll fix those links. Also, it must be worth something that the PubMed wikipedia page has referenced Expertscape for quite a long while. B4chex11 (talk) 21:55, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Creating an article for a business Porter Press International

Hello,

I tried to publish this article but it had been moved to drafts by Deb because apparently, it was promotional however we have advice from your team and read all of the guidelines and in our eyes have stuck by your rules. Please advise what we need to change and help me in getting this published.

Kind regards Albert — Preceding unsigned comment added by AWall1998 (talk • contribs) 16:04, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse AWall1998 Draft:Porter Press International is largely unreferenced marketing and advertising, with parts sourced to your own website. We only summarise what reliable, independent published sources have to say about a subject. Theroadislong (talk) 16:52, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Albert: please read my reply to djmicky in the previous section above. That was about an article about himself, but almost everything I said applies equally to an article about a company. --ColinFine (talk) 16:59, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Not even close. What Porter Press International says about itself is not relevant nor referenceable. David notMD (talk) 19:30, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree with the other editors commenting above. Not a single one of your references is to an independent reliable source devoting significant coverage to Porter Press as a business entity. If there is no such coverage, then it is not possible to write an acceptable Wikipedia article. Your draft resembles a product catalog much more than an encyclopedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:28, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Draft Article: Deanna Kamiel

In response to the question by McLennan re third parties commenting on her work, I believe the awards section satisfies that criteria, in particular, the Guggenheim Fellowship award that she won for "Maggie and the Men of Minnesota" in 1984. Katsheron (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

The only reference in that section of Draft:Deanna Kamiel is a single line that mentions that she was a recipient of the award, Katsheron. This is not capable of establishing notability, which requires extensive material from independent sources. She may well be notable, but that section is, at present, irrelevant to it. --ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Sometimes accuracy is also important, and misspelling the name of a reviewer annoys the reviewer. However, I will recuse myself from any further reviews of your draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Userspace

I've finally decided to create a userspace page for myself, but can only find this template https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_info

Are there any other templates I can choose from anywhere? Danstarr69 (talk) 21:55, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Danstarr69. Take a look at the Wikipedia:User page design center, and check out the various links there. By the way, there is no need to use a template to create a userpage. You can just use standard wikicode. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:35, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Most editors don't use templates to make their own pages. You might want to look at some editors you've encountered and copy elements of theirs, or just write a short paragraph introducing yourself for now. One common feature is Wikipedia:Userboxes, which you can explore at e.g. Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries. › Mortee _talk 22:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

I prefer templates for now. I have no idea what type of stuff I should put on my user page so it's easier just copying a template to give me an idea. I already had the userboxes page bookmarked as I'm going to be adding userboxes for my interests and the type of stuff I edit the most, once I've got my userpage looking decent. I haven't created any normal Wikipedia pages yet, so when I do eventually create one, I'll be copying a template for that too until I can remember how to do it myself. All I know how to do so far on Wikipedia is how to copy and edit stuff that's already there. Things like adding new nav boxes, adding colours, changing text size etc I don't have a clue about. Danstarr69 (talk) 22:55, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Squirtle is a good Wikipedia Page

Squirtle has detailed information on everyone favourite Tiny Turtle — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceMars8 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

@SpaceMars8: welcome to the Teahouse! "Good Article" means something specific on Wikipedia, not just that it's an article we like or an article about a subject we like. A Good Article is an article that has gone through a very thorough review process and meets a number of specific quality criteria. You can read more about it here. That's why your addition of Squirtle to a list of Good Articles was reverted - it has not been through that process. --bonadea contributions talk 06:23, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Want to reinstate changes for accuracy that someone else has removed

Hello, I'm registered as an editor, but am not great at it. I made some changes to the page for "Gary Stretch" (boxer) as I believe - because multiple sources say so - that the year of his birth is wrong - should be 1968 not 1965, and (possibly) the month and day might be wrong (11th April, rather than 4th November). However, another user (Jessicapierce) has removed my changes, citing that they were not properly sourced. I'd be very grateful if someone who is a skilled editor could look into this and - in the interests of accuracy - make the required changes. Thanks! Timinuk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timinuk (talk • contribs) 10:09, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

There were two problems with your edit. Firstly the information added was unsourced, and secondly tou were including commentary in the article text. If you want to raise the question (with supporting sources), the place to do it is on the article talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:02, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Gardner, Kansas

I would like more information about a civil war battle at Gardner, Kansas. Wikipedia is the only place I have found mention of any such occurrence. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.213.222.158 (talk) 05:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi! The best place to ask this might be Wikipedia:Reference_desk - the Teahouse is intended for questions about how to edit Wikipedia. Still, I'd be happy to help if I can. Could you link to the article where you read about this civil war battle? I don't see any mention of it in the Gardner, Kansas article and Googling is only taking me to unrelated articles like Alexander Gardner (photographer) and Battle of Black Jack. › Mortee _talk 07:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Here is the relevant content from the Gardner, Kansas article: "Four years after its establishment, it became the first community in Johnson County — and perhaps the first in the state — to experience an attack by Confederate forces." There is a reference for that sentence, but the ref has no content. David notMD (talk) 09:54, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Ahhh, thank you. I entirely missed that. I'm finding it difficult to locate a reliable source for it, but there are unreliable sources that discuss it further, e.g. this, if those are of interest to the original IP editor, and I imagine someone putting in some more time with Google could do better than that. › Mortee _talk 12:21, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

The article source http://www.gardnerhistorymuseum.org/page3.html is archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20090217170708/http://www.gardnerhistorymuseum.org/page3.html. It refers to "A written history, Gardner - Where The Trails Divide". Google finds [1]. I haven't read the book but have updated the article to use https://gardnerhistoricalmuseum.com/gardner-history/.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 12:52, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

the rollback tool

Hello folks! I wanna use the rollback tool on this Wikipedia just like I use on the Simple English Wikipedia. Can someone please grant me with rollback? Angela Maureen (talk) 12:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello September 1988, requests for rollback are handled at WP:PERM/R, where an administrator will choose to either grant or reject your request. Not sure if we can just move this there or not, but god luck with your application. (though I guess if an admin sees this here they'll probably do whatever evaluating required anyway)— Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Tutorial

I need a step by step tutorial to help me set up a biography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pollycle (talk • contribs) 11:27, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Your first article and at WP:Biography. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:31, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Pollycle. I'm a little concerned at your use of the phrase "set up". I may be misinterpreting, but that phrase suggests to me that you think that Wikipedia is like LinkedIn, or social media. What we do is not "set up" pages, but write articles. They are not for the subject (or against them): they are about the subject, and should be based almost entirely on material published by people unconnected with the subject. My apologies if I'm jumping to a wrong conclusion about your intention. --ColinFine (talk) 12:59, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

If your question is about the draft in your sandbox about Thomas Henry Haines, then neither the whole nor parts thereof are suitable for a Wikipedia biography. The draft has no references. Be aware that the subject's autobiography cannot serve as a reference. Strongly suggest you look at several biographies of living people who are academics, to get the drift. David notMD (talk) 13:35, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Userbox Creation

I'm trying to create my 1st ever userbox, and it's ok so far but there's a few things I need to know. 1 - How do I get the text to be centralised? 2 - How do I get the text to be bold? 3 - Can I change the text colour of the page I linked from Blue to Yellow? 4 - How do I make the City of Bradford text slightly bigger, and is there a guide to show what size it will be?

Eg. This user was born in the

  City of Bradford

This user was born in the City of Bradford

Danstarr69 (talk) 11:34, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

This user was born in the
City of Bradford

Hi Danstarr69. Click edit to see code for your wishes. I used info-a from Template:Userbox#Usage for centering. The rest is general wikitext/html formatting code and not specific to userboxes so it isn't documented there. See Help:Wikitext. I added a line break with  before "City of Bradford". Yellow text on orange background is hard to read so don't use it in the final version. Note that [[City of Bradford]] would not change link color. It produces City of Bradford. Changing link color requires a piped link with color inside the link code. [[City of Bradford|City of Bradford]] produces City of Bradford. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:31, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: I've replied on Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Ideas#City of Bradford. —⁠andrybak (talk) 12:39, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

I waited around an hour for a reply, now I've got around 4 at once, while I was busy messing up my template even further trying to figure out how to get 'City of Bradford' on the next line. I wasn't going to be using Yellow on that Orange background, that was just temporary. It's going to be a Blue background (probably the 069 colour), with the FC0 colour writing. I haven't read all the messages yet, so it could have been answered already, but is there a way to get the FCO colour as the writing colour? Danstarr69 (talk) 13:10, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

With new colors:

This user is from
City of Bradford

You can use to break lines inside the text. —⁠andrybak (talk) 13:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

This user was born in the
City of Bradford

@Danstarr69: An hour is far too little to wait, and asking in three places is two too many. Other users waste time answering the same question. If you do want to try another venue then wait for days and include a link to the original question so people can see whether it has already been answered when they want to answer. (edit conflict) There are two text colors. I don't know which (or both?) you want to be #FC0 but whatever you want, simply write it instead of the existing color in that location. I gave an example with color:#FC0 instead of color:yellow in the link text, and #069 as background. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

I'd just created this

This user was born in the
City of Bradford

Then noticed yours above, which is what I was going for but realised that Red was a bit too dark. I've finally got what I wanted and can use it to create more useboxes in a similar style with just the odd colour change occasionally. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Arabic sources

Header added by ColinFine (talk) 17:08, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Can I write an article about person in English but the References and source written in Arabic.. But they have the same meaning — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coshinda (talk • contribs) 16:57, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Coshinda, you may, provided the sources are reliable. It is often a good idea to include a translation of the relevant part of the source, but that is a convenience for the reader, not an essential part of the citation. See WP:NONENG for more. --ColinFine (talk) 17:08, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

K'iche' Lemmas

Wusup. I notice there's not much k'iche' words on Wiktionary, so if none of you mind, Ima get on the grind. Makuta Makaveli (talk) 17:11, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Makuta Makaveli, a k'iche' Wiktionary would be a separate project from the English Wikipedia, so that's really up to you. I think this page is the right place to request a new language for Wiktionary. Best of luck! › Mortee _talk 17:23, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

New Editor looking to get feet wet.

First off, thanks to HostBot for inviting me here. I appreciate the sense of community already. I've perused the guidelines and principles pages, explored some of the best practices and essays, and generally been enjoying myself. I'm finding a bit more confidence after my first couple edits the other bot recommended.

Which bring me to my question, which is: for newer editors, is there a link depository or some such of easier, less critical tasks that we can proverbially 'get our feet wet' with?

I've seen references to mentoring, and different styles of editorial focus (AfD, anti-vandalism, etc.) so maybe if there was another internal page that explained getting involved with some of those?

Cheers, --Elfabet (talk) 18:11, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
[mid-post Edit:] And just as I'm about to post this, I find WP:Community Portal. Welp. Hello anyways. Elfabet (talk)

@Elfabet: There's also WP:The Wikipedia Adventure if you want a pretty much risk-free tutorial. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:15, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, @Ian.thomson:, I'll be sure to check that out Elfabet (talk) 18:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

use of images

Hello, very new editor here, thanking you in advance for assistance. The use of images other than those found on Wikicommons was not covered in the tutorial. Are other images permitted if they have, for example, Creative Commons license, or ?Ninazurier (talk) 23:35, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ninazurier. Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, they are allowed if they have a suitable licence (not all Creative Commons licences will do: the non-commercial ones are not acceptable) but they still have to be uploaded to Commons. The software will not pull in images except from Wikipedia itself or from Commons. --ColinFine (talk) 00:19, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

List of Search Engines - addition requested

Hi - The list of search engines is missing "Elasticsearch" (https://www.elastic.co is the homepage & this is the wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elasticsearch)in the Open Source section. I can't quite figure out how to contact the last editor User:power~enwiki to request this update. Thanks in advance for your help! Ranch2k (talk) 18:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi and welcome Ranch2k. Assuming that the reason you don't want to update this yourself is because of a COI, I ~~can handle~~ have handled [3] that for you. In the future, you can also post such requests directly to the article talk page using these procedures: WP:COIREQ. Chetsford (talk) 19:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

HiChetsford. I tried to edit but it was restricted. Thanks so much !!!Ranch2k (talk) 20:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi User:Ranch2k. The reason you weren't able to edit it was because it is semi-protected due to spam (though it's been 10 years, we may should try lifting the protection level again), so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. In the future, if you need to make an edit to a page but it's protected, you can click "view source" and then "Submit an edit request," which will allow you to make an edit request on the talk page. Any user who has permission to edit the page can review the edit request and either decline it or accept it. Also, once you've had an account for 4 days and made 10 edits, you should be able to edit almost all mainspace pages on Wikipedia. I hope this helps, and don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 00:23, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi SkyGazer 512 Thank you so much for the info and the tips too! The learning curve is a bit steeper than I anticipated, but will dig in and hope to make my 10 edits soon. It's great to be part of a team that's so helpful. Hopefully I can return the favor to someone once my training wheels are off. Ranch2k (talk) 00:38, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

/* Manual of Style and editing */

I have been working on editing, updating and sourcing the sons of champlin wiki article here but try as I might I am not able to edit or get rid of the first 2 references which are dead or corrupted links. Tried just deleting codes but wouldn't work. Suggestions? Can someone fix or get rid of them? thank you as always for your help here! Paulhus15 (talk) 23:30, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

If references are dead links we don't just delete them. We either tag them as dead links or include live or archive links. See WP:DEADREF. In Sons of Champlin you were apparently having problems with list-defined references. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:32, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Why speedy deletion?

I created the page Sonyaa and it was deleted because of some sculpture india user? I want to contest it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewikicreator01 (talk • contribs) 07:04, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Thewikicreator01. Sonyaa was deleted by an administrator named SoWhy per speedy deletion criterion A7. You can post a message at User talk:SoWhy and ask for further clarification if you like. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:12, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Redirect issue

I am a wikipedian who edits in malayalam wikipedia. There were 2 existing templates namely ml:ഫലകം:Requested move and ml:ഫലകം:പേരുമാറ്റുക. I recently deleted all the contents of the template ഫലകം:പേരുമാറ്റുക and I redirected that template to ഫലകം:Requested move. But currently, in the pages that were linked to ഫലകം:പേരുമാറ്റുക is showing the message REDIRECT ഫലകം:Requested move and not the contents of the template ഫലകം:Requested move. (Example page: ml:നഗരം.) I tried to clear the cache of both the templates but in vain. Please note that the word ഫലകം means template in english. Adithyak1997 (talk) 06:54, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Adithyak1997. If you question is related to a problem you're having on Malayalam Wikipedia, then you'd probably be better off asking about it there. The Teahouse deals pretty much only with questions related to editing on English Wikipedia, so I'm not sure how much help you'll find here. Your question also seems a bit technical in nature. A Teahouse host might be able to help, but you might also try WP:VP/T or maybe even Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates. Once again though, the editors working off those pages might not be of much help when it comes to Malayalam Wikipedia templates. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:18, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Adithyak1997: Possibly you can just revert your changes and restore the working version of the redirected template...? --CiaPan (talk) 07:38, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I am sorry to inform you that it was a mistake from my part. The problem was that it was a case of double redirect which caused the problem. Adithyak1997 (talk) 08:31, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Jenny Koller/Jenny Thomann-Koller

I am trying to place an article under the above mentioned title but can't find where and how. The article is finished but will need to be formatted according to Wikipedia rules. --Htewarso (talk) 13:33, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Htewarso Welcome to Teahouse. I believe you are referring to THIS article in your sandbox. Please read WP:Your First Article and Referencing for Beginners to familiar yourself on how to write an article and citing in Wikipedia. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 13:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

You asked at WP:Help desk#Jenny Thomann-Koller. Please read the answer there, together with the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:44, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Writing article based on a book by recognized authors

I am attempting to publish wiki articles about the Indian revolutionaries.

Following are the challenges that I am facing:

Except the well-known(who received at least some limelight) revolutionaries, it is almost impossible to find online sources, Google book search etc. about the countless other revolutionaries.
Due to privacy laws e.g: in Europe, the already scanty source links do not show up in the web search.
I have read several books by renowned/recognized authors or the lesser-known revolutionaries themselves, these books provide, at least, some information about the now-unknown revolutionaries. The challenge is that such a book is the singular source and no other web references can be 'cited'.

While in the 'References' section, I quoted the ISBN of the book, the author and publication name and the page numbers which provide info. about the revolutionary, my recent article got rejected due to 'lack of citations'. How do I proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scribblingdeeds (talk • contribs) 11:42, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Vishwanath Vaishampayan had just one book as a reference, but WP:GNG generally expects multiple sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Agreed but that's the only source I have. As I mentioned, there are/were already less no. of books on this subject and now most of them are out of print. The author of the book(Srikrishan Saral) was an Indian who dedicated his life to write about the Indian revolutionaries.

@Scribblingdeeds: Sources need not be online, or even easily available, what matters (here) is that they support notability of the subject. You can cite multiple books, even if they are obscure/out-of-print/etc., as long as they went through a reputable editorial process (in particular not a vanity press).

On the other hand, if you cannot find sources due to various issues (search results not popping up etc.), you might have some luck asking at the Resource Exchange (the more precise your request, the best chance you stand). However we do need something, else the article will not be accepted. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:45, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

uploading a figure after obtaining permission from publisher

I have a problem uploading the figure to my article. I do not own the figure, but I requested permission with the publishing journal, which I received. I tried uploading the figure to the wikimedia commons page, however I have no idea which copyright template I would need to use. Can anyone help me on how to proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjochum87 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

It depends on what permissions have been given. If you have been given permission to use it on a Wikipedia article, then it can not be uploaded to Commons at all. If they have put a free license on it then you would use the free license they have placed on the figure and expect to be asked to prove they have done it. Depending on the figure it might be eligible for fair use but then it would need to be uploaded here rather than at Commons. ~ GB fan 12:20, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Jjochum87: If I might clarify, if their permission statement is limited to use on Wikipedia then it cannot be uploaded to Commons. I'll go further, I don't see any value in a permission statement that permits use on Wikipedia only. That's not a fair use statement, so I don't see how the image could be used in Wikipedia.--S Philbrick (Talk) 16:05, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Sister Who

I am Sister Who a/k/a Rev. Denver NeVaar, MTS and am wondering about the creation of an article within Wikipedia containing objective factual information about myself, my accomplishments, and my work, with only the intention to inform those unfamiliar with me, who might otherwise find my perhaps original approach to creativity and spirituality confusing. I have been a public access television personality since November of 1992 (446 individual productions have been recorded thus far), climbed to the summits of sixteen mountains reaching above fourteen thousand feet elevation within the state of Colorado within the United States, recorded four albums of original songs, and maintained a monthly newsletter of substantive intellectual thought on issues of life and/or spirituality since the beginning of 1998. In order to inform the general public about what Sister Who is and what Sister Who is not, a Wikipedia article seems recommendable, in order to make any personal encounter within perhaps unexpected public spaces, a non-threatening experience--especially because Sister Who has, in fact, appeared within so many diverse urban and rural places throughout the last twenty-seven years (Paris, Sydney, Amsterdam, New York, and San Francisco; Colorado, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, California, Washington, Montana, and the District of Columbia; and on the Internet through YouTube.com/DenverNeVaar and SisterWho.com). Evidence of being noticed has come in the form of a number of newspaper articles; an extensive archive of information within the Western History Department of the Denver Public Library of Denver, Colorado; and fan email from Norway, Italy, Poland, Japan, the UK, and Indonesia. It seems there are plenty of people who want objective information about me, but no one has volunteered to embrace the task of writing a respectable Wikipedia article, listing my academic accomplishments, significant public appearances, relevant vocational contributions, or the ways the work has been shaped by also being an adult with autism who was not diagnosed as such until the age of fifty. I would very much appreciate either guidance in how to proceed or a volunteer collaborator who could effectively fill this void of information. --S.W./D.N. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denver NeVaar (talk • contribs) 11:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Denver NeVaar, and welcome to the Teahouse. "[T]o inform those unfamiliar with " a subject, is another way of saying "Promotion", and is explicitly not what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia is only interested in subjects which have already been written about, at some depth, by people unconnected with the subject: the Wikipedia jargon for this is that the subject is notable. From your description, it is possible that you do meet the criteria - the newspaper articles may contribute to that, but fan mail will not (as unpublished) and nor will the archive, unless there is independently published material about it.

Thank you for not attempting to write the article yourself, as this is strongly discouraged. Unfortunately there is no reliable way of finding somebody to write an article about you (it will not be an article for you), since this is a volunteer project, and people work on what interests them. The formal place for requesting an article be written is at requested articles; but in honesty, the take-up rate is low there. Another approach is to find a suitable WikiProject, and ask for a collaborator there. Perhaps WT:WikiProject Spirituality, or WT:WikiProject Autism? In either case, you will make your request more attractive if you do some of the legwork; rather than just asserting that there are newspaper articles about you, read IRS and V and actually cite some specific sources.

Be aware that if an article is written, you will have no control whatever over its content: that will be determined by a consensus of uninvolved editors, according to what information is available in independent reliable published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 12:32, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

"If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article." If other people - not connected to you - have not been writing about you, unlikely. David notMD (talk) 18:05, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Argh how do I Wikipedia

I am altogether confused at whether this is ANI-worthy or not, or where else to take it if not, so I'm leaving this diff here. The user in question has made some constructive edits, but typically even those have uncivil edit summaries. Advice would be appreciated. An Owl Called Josh 🦉 (talk) 18:23, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Since the IP hasn't edited in 3 days nothing would be done if you did bring it to ANI. ~ GB fan 18:48, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, An Owl Called Josh. Based on the IP editor's history of using racial epithets (e.g. [4], [5], [6], etc.) I'd say this is a case of WP:NOTHERE. However, their contributions are very spartan (averaging two per month over the last couple years) so taking it to ANI might be more time and trouble for you than it's really worth. That's just my opinion, others may disagree. Chetsford (talk) 18:52, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@An Owl Called Josh: Even though the report is stale, I've blocked the IP and WP:REVDELed the post anyway. It's a static IP, and this bit of stupidity (why the number came up purple instead of blue for me) is a sign that there is a consistent user there who would be blocked indefinitely if they were using an account. Feel free to let me know if they say anything during or after their block. Ian.thomson (talk) 19:47, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

User:Review2018 vandalism

Review2018 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

User «Review2018» joined 30 minutes ago and keeps deleting articles. Vandalism Can someone.block him — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heraldique21 (talk • contribs) 19:49, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Review2018 is now blocked by User:Ian.thomson for evasion. EdJohnston (talk) 20:04, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Heraldique21: I've blocked them.

In the future, provide proper warnings by using one of the relevant templates found at Wikipedia:Template_messages/User talk namespace. Just posting "vandalism" on someone's talk page is honestly pretty useless. I had to do a more thorough investigation of Review2018's contributions and the page history because I didn't know where to look. It's only because I saw that they had previously been blocked that they were blocked this time. If that had not been the case (or I had not done the investigating), I would have just left them a proper warning and left them unblocked.

If you properly warn a user (making sure that WP:NOTVAND does not apply to their edits) and they keep engaging in blatant vandalism, you can report them at WP:AIV. Again, though, if Reveiew2018 had not been engaged in block evasion, I would have been tempted to decline the report as a content dispute.

Also, when you are mentioning a user anywhere (besides AIV), instead of putting their name «in these kind of brackets», you can use:

{{userlinks}} to produce Review2018 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
{{u}} to produce Review2018

AIV uses its own format instead, use that. But for places like the Teahouse or WP:ANI, {{userlinks}} is good to put as the first line of a report, {{u}} if they aren't the primary subject of the report. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:06, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Spec Miata

The 1st ever SCCA Spec Miata Qualifying Race held in Phoenix at PIR was won by Brad Rampelberg. Mike Helpin was awarded the 1st place trophy on race day because Brad was disqualified. Brad Rampelberg appealed his disqualification to the SCCA Board who overturned his disqualification and restored his 1st place win in later posted results. This information may be seen by googling. azscca 2006 National Double Double. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hobnobable (talk • contribs) 22:36, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hobnobable, if you wish to suggest a change to an existing Wikipedia artilc, the place to do so is that article's Talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:48, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Question on recent draft submission - Win This Record

I have a question about a recent article draft I did for David Lindley/El Ray-o X's second album "Win This Record". It was rejected due to insufficient coverage. I compared it to the article for the group's first album and it has similar source citation (both in number and source itself - All Music), yet that article was published. Also, the first paragraph is a bit more developed for WTR than for the first album. I'd like to know the "why" behind the apparent inconsistency so I may improve my understanding of the process and do a better job in the future. Thanks for any response on this matter. THX1136 (talk) 01:06, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, THX1136. Because there is no enforced hierarchy on WP, and articles are generated by anyone and everyone without the need for any qualifications other than the ability to turn on a computer, you will see substantial inconsistency. WP's general guidance of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS suggests that, because a policy non-compliant article may exist somewhere, is not precedent for more policy non-compliant articles to subsequently be introduced.

In terms of negative enforcement, problematic articles can be either fixed or tagged for deletion, however, since there are more than five million articles on WP this is an imperfect process and it is very possible to find articles of inferior quality. In terms of positive enforcement, the FA and GA articles are those which have undergone a minimal level of vetting and review and these are usually better samples off of which to model a new article. I hope this helps! Chetsford (talk) 04:35, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your helpful response, Chetsford. I've decided not to do any more on this album. While I understand the reason behind this subject I don't agree with it. My feeling is any artist should/could have all of their albums available as articles here at WP. I think this is especially valid if said album is mentioned in the article for a particular artist. I've seen many other articles of the same quality as the two I mentioned in my original question and get that their existence does not provide a mandate - or template - to be followed as policy. I even get it from a notability standpoint as not every album by an artist may be considered notable. No worries. It's not a "battle" I want to fight. Again, thank you for the time you spent looking into the matter. I sincerely appreciate your effort! THX1136 (talk) 00:36, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello! I gonna try a little help for my Research survey

I'm a master's student and I'm doing a thesis about article quality on wikipedia. Could you tell me is there any space where I can post a few questions directed to users who are interested in participating in the research? Thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lu Brito (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Lu Brito. Please read Wikipedia:Research and follow the advice there. Please be aware that only Good articles and Featured articles undergo a peer review. All other ratings are informal and of little significance. Let's discuss it 05:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen³²⁸ ! As soon as possible I'll try to publish a survey at my user page. But I realy don't know yet any way to invite users to participate :(

Good question. I asked it for you at Wikipedia_talk:Research#How_to_advertise_user_surveys?. 57 people are watching that page, so let's see if there is a good answer. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:03, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Starting a New Article: Former US Countries

Hey Everyone!

I was thinking and wondering if there is an article that names all countries that are in existence or are no longer countries that have had land(territories) where the current United States is? I know that that might be a little difficult to understand, sorry, I tried to form the question my best. If this is not a thing, what steps should I take to create a new article. If there is one existing, please link it for me.

Thanks so much for your help, CanineCrew | Have a Great Day!! (talk) 20:21, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

It's easy enough to understand, perhaps less obvious why it would be useful. Would you want to do the same for Spain, France, Germany, Poland, Russia, etc.? Anyway, it sounds more like a List than an Article. Maproom (talk) 20:29, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I understand. Now that I think about my question a little bit more, I realized that shouldn't to it because the article(list) wouldn't be long enough due to lack of information to put inside. Thanks for your help User talk:Maproom! CanineCrew | Have a Great Day!! (talk) 03:34, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Secure Swiss Data

I reviewed Draft:Secure Swiss Data and declined it as reading like an information brochure and not establishing corporate notability. User:Kateryna1987 replied on my talk page asking what could be done to “improve the article and make it a valuable addition to Wikipedia.” Unfortunately, I find it necessary to ask a submitter who is very enthusiastic about getting a draft accepted whether they have a conflict of interest. She says that she does not, and is simply interested in getting an article in Wikipedia. I don’t see the draft in its present form satisfying corporate notability, but maybe I am cynical. Do other editors have any comments?

Robert McClenon (talk) 00:08, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment, Robert McClenon. As an aside, according to LinkedIn, the head of marketing at Secure Swiss Data is named Kateryna. Chetsford (talk) 03:46, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Can I take photos of paintings and upload them? What are the guidelines?

I'm interested in taking photos of paintings of individuals to use in bios, especially for early 20th century individuals where any photos are black and white, and often grainy.

I've tried to figure out the rules for doing that, but they strike me as arcane. For instance, if I don't know the name of the artist who painted the picture, or nothing more than their name, is there anyway I can meet the copyright/public domain rules?

Similarly, if I take a photo of a photo of a person from the early 20th century, without knowing who took the photo originally, is there any way to satisfy the public domain test?

thanks!

--Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:39, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

You cannot do this. A photograph of a 2-D photograph or painting or any 2-D artwork is a faithful reproduction of the copyright owners product with no creative input from yourself. Read more at Derivative work.

Possibilities:

(1) get the copyright owner to release their copyright of your photograph with a free licence. Many will happily do so, and of the others, they can be willing to do it with a low-resolution version. For old dead people, the family is often happy to give away rights on an old photograph if you do the work. Beware of the slightly perverse unexpected rule, the owner of the photograph is the photographer, not the subject.

(2) wait for the copyright to expire

(3) focus on 3-D objects. The copyright of a 3-D object doesn't transfer to a photograph of it.

I think this is correct. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:04, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

The copyright of a 3-D object doesn't transfer to a photograph of it. - huh, SmokeyJoe, are you sure about that? Some countries do and others do not have freedom of panorama, so clearly there are sculptures in public space (a subset of 3D objects) subject to copyright in some countries.

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: if you cannot identify the copyright holder, usually there are provisions that a work falls in public domain X years after publication. See Wikipedia:Public_domain#When_does_copyright_expire? (and despair) for details. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 07:50, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Hello Mr Serjeant Buzfuz and welcome to the Teahouse.

My take is a little different from SmokeyJoe's, though I am loath to disagree. You are talking about paintings from the early 20th century. If by "early" you mean before 1923 (or is it now 1924?),^[1] such works are now in the public domain in the U.S. A photograph, as a faithful reproduction of a 2-D public domain artwork does not inherently create a new copyright; the photograph is therefore in the public domain as well. You could upload such a photo to Commons.

Note that you need to be able to establish the date of the painting with authority. If the painting was painted by the artist in 1900 but not shown to anyone until 1925, it may well be argued that the painting is still covered by copyright and, if you can't get a release from the copyright owner (the painter's descendents, most likely) then a photo of the painting can't be uploaded to Commons.

It would still be courteous to credit the owner of the painting for allowing you to photograph it and the artist, if their name can be discovered.

As for 3-D objects, that's a more complicated subject. As the photographer of a 3-D object is making a putatively creative choice in the angle and lighting and such, the photograph, while still a derivative work, also creates a copyright for the photographer. There exist Freedom of panorama laws in some jurisdictions which may weaken or strengthen the derivative aspects, which then affect the licensing options open to the photographer. In the U.S., protection applies to works of art but not to buildings (at least, not buildings visible to the public).

But I'll admit I'm an amateur at this subject. The real authorities probably hang out on Commons. If only Commons had a Teahouse! Closest possibility is probably c: Village Pump. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:05, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I think I am on the same page as as jmcgnh, for 2-D objects, you have to wait for the copyright to expire, or get the owner to release it. 3D objects are often OK. See Freedom_of_panorama#United_States. Photographs of objects that you don’t have permission to photograph, no don’t do that. Even if the painting has expired copyright, you still need permission from the gallery to photograph it. US law is the most important, because that’s were the wikimedia main servers are. Copyright law varies around the world, in the details, and in how seriously it is taken. Take care to not break any local laws. In the end, I think the most valuable thing you can do for the project is to ask owners to release images under a free licence. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:25, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

^ No, it's stuck at 1923. – Maproom (talk) 08:22, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Change Page Title

Hi! Thanks for the support! I would like to ask if the title of the page I created can be changed: Observatory on Digital Communication this page should be called OCCAM-Observatory on Digital Communication as it was in the Draft. Thank you again for the support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nsevistr (talk • contribs) 09:27, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

The title of the page should not be changed. The title used for a Wikipedia article should be what its subject is usually called in English, rather than its official name. I've checked the English-language sources cited in the draft: many don't mention it at all, some call it the "Observatory for Cultural and Audiovisual Communication", some call it the "Observatory on Digital Communication", none call it "OCCAM-Observatory on Digital Communication". Maproom (talk) 09:37, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

How to add WP:MUSICBIO to the page

Hello,

Can you help me adding this to page I created for Lipsia (singer)? I got a message, it's below:

As someone else already notes by adding a tag, please add references to indicate that the topic meets WP:MUSICBIO. If you have questions feel free to ask at WP:TEAHOUSE. Happy editing!

Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robgold21 (talk • contribs) 09:52, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

As now stated in the template added to the article, many of the fact statements in the article are not supported by references. Either find references, add the citation needed template, or delete. The article as a whole is at risk for being deleted.David notMD (talk) 10:59, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Translating an existing Wikipedia article

Hello,

The Arabic Wikipedia site has a page on a children's ensemble and I'd like to translate it to English.

Please see the link of the existing article. https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/مستخدم:Lola.majadly/ملعب

I'm wondering if such an article would be accepted by the encyclopedia.

Looking forward to your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumoorah (talk • contribs) 17:33, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Sumoorah. Provided the subject meets English Wikipedia's criteria for notability, you are welcome to translate it: see Translation. But you should not assume that just because it exists in another Wikipedia it is automatically acceptable. References in Arabic are acceptable if there are not good ones in English, but they must be reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:55, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Colin! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumoorah (talk • contribs) 20:37, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Also Hi, Sumoorah, It's worth having a 90 second read of Translate - How to, just so you make sure you get the referencing chain correct (in your first edit). Luck with your translation! Nosebagbear (talk) 11:43, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

phone hacked

I have 2 mobile numbers phone brand samsung one is Telstra n one Vodafone I use one acc in both numbers. In Telstra ph I'm not allowed to apply play store but in Vodafone I can everything change when my phone was hacked late last year! If I want log in something I want to apply always told wrongemail or wrong password, how can I go wrong with my password or email!! Please help me thanks for your attention — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.128.104.28 (talk) 10:37, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

This page is for advice about using Wikipedia. We are not associated with Telstra or Vodafone. If you want to ask a general question, please try WP:Reference Desk. shoy (reactions) 13:36, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

MERGING ARTICLES

Checking through the copy edit category discovered that the article on ABS-CBN and ABS-CBN (TV network) with little difference which is the controversies and sandals on the tv network article as the major difference. How can I go about this, please? Pheritenom (talk) 17:18, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Pheritenom. You can find detailed instructions at Wikipedia:Merging. › Mortee _talk 13:47, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

[1] No, it's stuck at 1923. – Maproom (talk) 08:22, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

[1]